[00:04] hi [00:57] i'm running a kubuntu 13.10 (clean install just last night); new to KDE, so apologies if my questions are stupid. i'm trying to map shortcut [Meta]+[L] to lock the session... but i can't figure out how. i've found plenty of places online that say it should be at settings->shortcuts->global->The KDE Session Manager->Lock... but "The KDE Session Manager" doesn't show up in global shortcuts for me. [00:58] what am i missing? :( [01:33] GeekDrew, i think you should create shortcuts in System Settings -> Shortcuts & Gestures [01:34] yes, after i go to Shortcuts & Gestures, then i go to "Global Keyboard Shortcuts", but "KDE Session Manager" isn't listed as a KDE component. [01:37] GeekDrew, than maybe define one in Custom [01:40] soee: not sure how to. :-\ [01:43] GeekDrew, you mean lock screen ? [01:43] yes. [01:45] well you have to map commad to some keys i think [01:45] take a look: http://askubuntu.com/questions/61339/what-is-the-screen-locking-mechanism-under-kde [01:46] this command: http://askubuntu.com/questions/61339/what-is-the-screen-locking-mechanism-under-kde [01:46] ups [01:46] this command: qdbus org.freedesktop.ScreenSaver /ScreenSaver Lock [01:46] will lock your screen [01:46] so you have to map it to some combination [01:47] im not sure if you have to logout/login again to make new shortcuts work [01:47] that command doesn't work for me. [01:47] it works for me :) [01:47] heh. [01:47] what version are you using ? [01:48] kubuntu 13.10; just installed it last night. [01:49] so do i :) [01:49] did you tried to run this command from terminal ? [01:49] yes, i tried there too. [01:50] strange, iv tested again [01:50] my screen is locked :) [01:50] i wonder if one of us has installed something that the other hasn't. heh. [01:51] i think this is integrated in system so we bith should have this [01:53] drew@drew-x230:~$ qdbus org.freedesktop.ScreenSaver /ScreenSaver Lock [01:53] qdbus: could not find a Qt installation of '' [01:53] drew@drew-x230:~$ [01:54] i just booted a different computer from a Kubuntu 13.10 live cd, and it has the same problem [02:40] GeekDrew: please file a bug [02:40] !bug [02:40] If you find a bug in Kubuntu, please follow the instructions at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Bugs/Reporting to report the issue to the developers. [02:42] valorie: is this relevant? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtchooser/+bug/1251178 [02:42] Ubuntu bug 1251178 in qtchooser (Ubuntu) "qdbus and qdbusviewer crash with "No such file or directory"" [Undecided,New] [02:45] or perhaps https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qttools-opensource-src/+bug/1215905 [02:45] Ubuntu bug 1215905 in qttools-opensource-src (Ubuntu) "qttools5-dev-tools missing '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/bin/qdbus'?" [Undecided,Invalid] [02:46] GeekDrew: how about just doing [02:46] !ubuntu-bug [02:46] hmmm [02:48] just ubuntu-bug qdbus I think, in a konsole [02:48] because it sounds like perhaps a packaging error [02:49] you might note the above two bugs in your report, because they both seems to impinge on your issure [02:49] issure [02:49] pff [02:49] issue [02:49] valorie: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation. === map is now known as Guest62957 [02:50] thanks, FloodBotK1 === mike_ is now known as Guest737 === map is now known as Guest63282 === spawn[dead] is now known as spawn57 === spawn57 is now known as spawn[dead] [05:59] I cannot get my wifi adapter to work on my laptop in current dist - anyone have suggestions? === TheMaster is now known as Unit193 === gilbert_ is now known as goodtime [06:21] I just installed the Nvidia drivers and my resolution changed to 640x480 and i can not change it anyone have any ideas [06:23] ? [06:27] ? [07:26] Good morning. === Guest63282 is now known as mapo === mapo is now known as mapoo [08:16] hi all , why kubuntu 4.11.3 is not available for 12.04.3 [08:16] sorry, kde 4.11.3 is not available for 12.04.3 [08:17] why? it was released on 6 Nov. and it is still not available in repos, even in backport repos [08:18] anybody, here, who could answer :D === walter_ is now known as Guest91466 [09:35] hello [09:35] can anyone help me with something? [09:35] please [09:37] I want to install this http://www.libimobiledevice.org/ in kubuntu [09:37] can anyone help me? [09:41] !info libimobiledevice [09:41] Package libimobiledevice does not exist in saucy [09:42] !info libimobiledevice4 [09:42] libimobiledevice4 (source: libimobiledevice): Library for communicating with the iPhone and iPod Touch. In component main, is optional. Version 1.1.5-0ubuntu2 (saucy), package size 55 kB, installed size 158 kB [09:42] silviu: sudo apt-get install libimobiledevice4 [09:43] thanks, but here is what I get : E: Unable to locate package libimobiledevice [09:45] silviu: In Saucy it is libimobiledevice4, the 4 is important. [09:45] ok, got it, thank you [09:46] silviu: :) === freeflying_away is now known as freeflying === freeflying is now known as freeflying_away === jim is now known as Guest75795 [11:29] hello. I faced i problem with akonadi and kmail, happening on attempt to view incoming mail subdir: http://pastebin.kde.org/pi89jnokn.ru [11:29] Can anyone else confirm it? [11:30] It appeared after several days without internet (it was needed on another machine, where i'm tuning gentoo installation). [11:31] btw, now it crashes even on attempt to do manual mail fetching by default Ctrl+L [11:32] or it is already fixed... just getting upgrades with kde 4.11.3 [11:32] (was 4.11.2) [11:33] going to reboot === guest-8pwrWC is now known as StephRimouski === thelionroars_ is now known as thelionroars [12:08] hi [12:08] Sadly after upgrade problem still there [12:40] heyey! any life there? :) [12:42] Not sure, how much people got, about what i say, so describing problem closer: in kmail on attempt to update mails or simply view incoming mails folder, akonadi crashes, and this affects kmail. [12:43] sorry im not using kmail :) [12:43] One time after first appearance i could view it one time and even read nearly two mails, but then finally akonadi crashed. [12:44] Yeah, and have to abandon it as well :) but how to do it without kmail itself :/ [12:45] just move mails to default ~/Mail (or what ever is default for all clients) === freeflying_away is now known as freeflying === freeflying is now known as freeflying_away [14:12] 'Morning folks [14:12] Hi, everybody [14:13] I've a trouble with Kwin (I suppose) [14:13] It can't enable OpenGL composition on my PC while in Debian 7.2 all works fine [14:14] I'm on Kubuntu 13.10 and glxinfo return the correct radeon driver working [14:15] is it a know issue? [14:15] TIA [14:22] frank67. kwin is the compositor in kubuntu , but install mesa-utils for OpenGL options [14:23] I did it [14:24] glxinfo |grep render report:direct rendering: Yes [14:24] OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI R200 (RV280 5960) TCL DRI2 [14:25] That's seems all right [14:27] does anyone have any estimates on when mozilla firefox/thunderbird may have bugs worked out with saucy? i know saucy is somewhat of a new release still. has there been a pattern with earlier releases [14:27] rwc2: What bugs are we talking here? [14:28] rwc2: Also see if your bug is reported here: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/ [14:30] lordievader, the one's i might have mentioned in earlier days. GLib-CRITICAL **: g_slice_set_config: assertion 'sys_page_size == 0' failed. i'd like to be able to plan a bit longer term. an attempt at running the 13.04 versions on another partition was unsucessful [14:30] maybe this is for #mozilla [14:30] frank67. for your installed driver look at the "version string" from, glxinfo | grep OpenGL [14:31] rwc2: Perhaps, have to mention that I have not seen that bug on Saucy. [14:32] rwc2: Hmm here the status is "resolved fixed" https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=672671 [14:32] Mozilla bug 672671 in Disability Access APIs "GLib-CRITICAL **: g_slice_set_config: assertion `sys_page_size == 0' failed" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] [14:32] glxinfo | grep OpenGL [14:32] OpenGL vendor string: Tungsten Graphics, Inc. [14:32] OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI R200 (RV280 5960) TCL DRI2 [14:32] OpenGL version string: 1.3 Mesa 9.2.1 [14:32] OpenGL extensions: [14:32] frank67: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation. [14:33] sorry :( [14:34] BTW, any idea? TIA [14:34] frank67. you don't have an ati/amd driver installed , your is the open source default driver [14:35] rwc2: What version of libglib2.0-0 do you have installed? [14:36] frank67. check kmenu>apps>system>additional drivers to see if there are any available [14:36] I'm checking.. [14:38] lordievader, 2.38.1-0ubuntu1 [14:38] BluesKaj: It return: Nothing available [14:40] rwc2: Right ok, that is what I run here. Hmm odd. [14:41] lordievader, maybe ill keep trying to get 13.04 versions going in 13.10 [14:43] rwc2: You are running version 25.0+build3-0ubuntu0.13.10.1 0 of Firefox I guess? [14:43] no, 25.0.1+build1-0ubuntu0.13.10.1 [14:44] why isn't update/upgrade catching that [14:44] oh wait, mine is more current [14:46] frank67. you may have to install the ati/amd proprietary driver from the amd website .. not real knowledgeable about ati/amd graphics anymore. [14:47] rwc2: Whoo, something that is newer in the Saucy repo than the Trusty repo.. ;) [14:47] !info firefox [14:47] firefox (source: firefox): Safe and easy web browser from Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 25.0.1+build1-0ubuntu0.13.10.1 (saucy), package size 27915 kB, installed size 57523 kB [14:49] rwc2: I see now on my Saucy install that if I run Firefox from the Konsole it gets that error too, but furthermore it starts normally. [14:50] BluesKaj: It's sound strange to me because previous Kubuntu version 13.04 works and as I told Debian 7.2 works too. Maybe is it a kernel radeon driver issue? [14:52] frank67. if that's the case then a dist-upgrade might be in order [14:56] lordievader, mine doesn't start, maybe there's a command to yield hidden errors for me [14:56] lordievader, or can i downgrade to the older version easily [14:58] rwc2: You could go to version 24. [14:58] Version 24 is in the Saucy repo. I don't have high hopes that it will fix your problem though. [15:00] Hello, did anyone experienced a 'blackscreen' after the most recent update?; The grafics-screen (of kde) doesn't appear anymore [15:02] I'm using KDE under Kubuntu 12.04.3 LTS on an Lenovo T61; it runs quite fine beside the errors os suspend / resume [15:37] lordievader, with v23 i get the same or similar error, but also get a firefox crashed in x === max is now known as Guest678 [16:18] everytime i try to install the nvidia drivers my screen resolution changes to 640 x 480 after i restart. Anyone have any ideas ?? [16:23] everytime i try to install the nvidia drivers my screen resolution changes to 640 x 480 after i restart. Anyone have any ideas ?? [16:24] CrisisX, does the driver actually install ? [16:25] rb [16:26] I do reboot and then the resolution changes [16:26] i have computer that has optomus and i am wanting to turn it off to save battery [16:52] hello [16:52] I'm having trouble with the closed source nvidia driver (I'm on a lap top with geforce GTX 765M) [16:52] blank screen after boot is the issue [16:52] I've googled my ass off today, but can't seem to fix it [16:53] tried editing /etc/X11/xconf and setting usedisplaydevice to something else (don't remember excactly what right now), and I've also tried uninstalling and reinstalling the drivers, with no luck [16:53] anyone who has had the same issue? [16:55] hi all i have an little question is any german here with mobile radeon card? [16:55] anders__. do you mean the proprietary driver from nvidia's website ? [16:55] amd [16:56] Yes, I think so BluesKaj [16:56] its the one ubuntu suggests installing right after I've installed the OS [16:58] anders__. ubuntu wouldn't suggest installing from the website , ubuntu offers it's own version of the proprietary drivers in kmenu>apps>system>additional drivers [16:58] oh ok [16:58] that's the one I've been trying then [16:58] better to use the one from nvidias homepage? [16:59] not really , jusmake sure you haven't chosen an experimntal driver in the additional drivers list , anders__ [17:00] I just went along with what ubuntu suggested, says it has been tested by ubuntu developers, but it doesn't work here [17:00] ver 3.19 [17:01] anders__. are you on Kubuntu or Ubuntu? [17:02] if you are on 13.10 the then the 319 driver should work [17:03] BluesKaj, 331 works fine also :) [17:06] soee. yeah , but i think we're dealing with Ubuntu here , not Kubuntu , so he should be asking in #ubuntu [17:06] wich driver will work with amd radeon card? without the mouse cursor bug? [17:06] ok [17:06] BluesKaj, ak ok [17:06] I did, but to no avail, noone answered [17:07] anders___. I'll repeat , are you running Kubuntu or Ubuntu ? [17:07] ubuntu (as I said above :)) [17:09] then anders___ you should be asking in #ubuntu , don't expect an answer immediately tho [17:12] chaosskynet. do you have the , xserver-xorg-video-radeon , driver installed? [17:12] wait a sec i do look [17:14] i think its the standard driver i have kubuntu fresh installed [17:18] need an restart of the system brb [17:19] chaosskynet. you can confirm by typing radeon in the muon package manager serch and scrolling down to see if the driver is installed === jfc is now known as cerealklr [17:19] here I go having to repeat myself again [17:21] so im back [17:22] chaosskynet. you can confirm by typing radeon in the muon package manager serch and scrolling down to see if the driver is installed [17:24] xserver-xorg-video-radeon-dbg is that this one? [17:24] no , it's , xserver-xorg-video-radeon [17:25] further down I think [17:26] xserver-xorg-video-ati was an other [17:26] this one is installed [17:27] and libdrm-radeon1 === c_smith_away is now known as c_smith [17:35] chaosskynet. so do you have any graphics issues , or are you just looking for confirmation that the right driver is installed ? [17:37] no i have no issues here, in ubuntu i have the beta driver fron amd installed 13.11 after an restart of my system goes my screen be crazy with a lot of flickering lines when i moved the mouse [17:37] i will play 3d games and i dont know that i can with the normal driver [17:38] chaosskynet. well beta drivers are experimental after all , one has to expect taht [17:38] that [17:40] i know but after all amd does not patch this bug :( its since 13.4 [17:41] under window's i have no problems with no one of the drivers still on ubuntu (i am scared to test it on kubuntu^^) === cbobby is now known as ldcanalyzer [17:45] Can Telepathy be used to initialize and receive Video-Chat via Google Hangout? === diego is now known as Guest86601 [17:56] SZiasztok [17:57] azt szerentém kérdezni, hogy SMPlayer-ben hogyan tudom visszaállítani a vezérlő elemeket? Mint pl:görgetősáv, hangerőszabályzó? [18:00] !hu | a635247 [18:00] a635247: Magyar nyelvű segítséget az #ubuntu-hu csatornán talál [18:01] Thanks === kubuntu is now known as Guest20146 === max is now known as Guest31233 === map is now known as Guest45384 === Steakanbake is now known as Steakanbake|slee === s is now known as ubuntu_user [20:00] Hello there, is it possible to run a script when starting an activity? [20:11] nasser. https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?57323-Apps-autorun-for-activities ...this might answer your question [20:11] BluesKaj: Thanks :) [20:13] BluesKaj: I did see this thread tho, and I don't want to create a shotcut to the script, I just want it to autorun everything the activity is started [20:15] nasser. well, sorry I'm not much on using activities. What i do is considered bad practice in some circles , but I just use different virtual desktops for different apps [20:15] BluesKaj: Thanks anyways :) [20:16] being a home user , I don't need to run many apps simultaneously [20:17] BluesKaj: I really like the idea of activities. but many non-kde apps don't play nice with them. [20:17] nasser. I guess I don't understand their purpose :) [20:18] BluesKaj: yeah they are a bit controversial. [20:23] okay another question, can you clear the notifications via keyboard? [20:43] nasser. , no idea , can't seem to find any info on that [20:44] BluesKaj: This is one of the little annoyances that I have with kde. [20:44] one mouse click works [20:45] I have no problem with using the mouse [20:59] root@kris-AMD-FX:/media/root/sp500# rm -rf .Trash-0/ [20:59] rm: cannot remove ‘.Trash-0/files/lmms/projects/__MACOSX/Classic Skin/._Cheeze Machine.dll’: Permission denied [20:59] Wait... WHAT, I'm root! [21:00] kristal. sudo rm -rf [21:01] I have to sudo as root...? [21:01] nope that doesn't work [21:01] nope , but being root isn't good practice [21:02] sometimes typing sudo 30 times in is a pain [21:03] kristal. setup some aliases in ~/.bashrc [21:04] ya i have a few already, gotta set a lot more [21:05] BluesKaj: I hate the mouse XD and my laptop trackpad isn't that great. [21:07] * BluesKaj shrugs , well , a wireless mouse and trackpad disable can be used, nasser :) [21:40] is it possible to configure quassel to not show when someone joins/leavs chat ? [21:42] ok found it [22:05] someone who is using kde-telepathy ? [22:10] hej all === kubuntu is now known as Guest13355 [22:16] HI there. Is anyone familiar with how to give an executable binary an icon that'll show up in the taskbar? I'm not trying to make a shortcut .Desktop file or anything, and I've already added an application entry with the icon. The binary itself when running does not show an icon in the taskbar which I'm trying to fix. === dilfridge is now known as dylfrydge === shaun_ is now known as wafflejock [22:33] hi [22:33] How is kubuntu with steam [22:34] ? [22:34] How stable is steam while on kubuntu [22:34] i have no problems with it [22:34] idk mint and steam is shit [22:35] https://plus.google.com/110954078302330754910/posts/Tw8yrhccqqa [22:35] here you can see screenshot of it sunning on my lap [22:35] steam's been fine for me [22:35] but I've only used it a bit [22:35] I use steam on linux without issues [22:36] froggon [22:36] are you on kubuntu [22:36] ? [22:36] isnt it obvious :) [22:37] Koodoo: just installed Kubuntu 13.10... grabbing steam atm will let you know [22:38] Wafflejock: thanks [22:38] btw very happy with 13.10... they fixed the three monitor issue with my setup so I don't get errors now... the displays configuration is a bit smarter and much cleaner === Roey is now known as DrFrogRibbitRibb === DrFrogRibbitRibb is now known as Roey [22:38] still can't run three monitors with my Intel HD 4000 graphics but at least it doesn't bomb out [22:39] it just disables 1 of the three which is fine [22:39] wafflejock: Im just llooking to run steam with stability on a sexy kde. [22:40] i play only LFD4 but tested SS3 or all HalfLife2 episodes [22:40] no problems with them :) [22:40] ah laso Amnesia [22:40] yea all i play is gmod [22:41] Koodoo: ah don't play gmod here... KSP mostly lately... was into SC2 for a bit but have pretty much abandoned the windows machine [22:41] wafflejock: Ha tell me how steam works for you. [22:41] wafflejock: on kubuntu ofc [22:41] Koodoo: yeah 216MB post install download to update [22:43] I'm on x64 too btw, it looked like it grabbed a lot of :i386 packages during install, but so far no hiccups almost done with the update... 1 minute or so [22:44] wafflejock: Alrigth. [22:44] it works well on mint 15 and kubuntu 13.04 & 13.10 [22:44] jarkko: what does? [22:44] steam [22:44] jarkko: Steam sucks on mint [22:45] it did not in my use [22:45] feels the same than kubuntu [22:45] s [22:45] ive been using mint for 2 year. [22:47] ugh had to reset my password.... couldn't remember it apparently [22:48] Koodoo: yeah steam itself seems all good [22:48] Koodoo: downloading KSP now [22:49] wafflejock:tell me how stable games are ;P [22:49] 13.10 is really feeling slick too... was already happy with KDE on 12.04 and up but it's starting too feel less fragile which is nice [22:51] i have weird bug on 13.10 [22:51] i quess it\s not mean to be like that [22:51] awesome and KSP is now loading... that was painless [22:51] wafflejock: what is ksp [22:51] Kerbel Space Program [22:52] it's a space flight simulator where you build ships [22:52] free demo [22:52] I bought it though, like the game it's still in dev though [22:52] wafflejock: hm [22:52] wafflejock: fun? [22:52] Koodoo: if you're into space stuff [22:52] and like failure :) [22:52] if you look the video of that game it looks fun [22:53] I like aviatoin [22:53] Koodoo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbIiC83YjNU [22:53] Koodoo: yeah I was always into the old flight sims too... you'll probably like it [22:53] there is a little "screen" on right corner, fi you click it once it puts all programs in taskbar, if you click it again it restores x-session [22:53] is that feature or bug? [22:53] it's still a bit rough around the edges but there's tons of depth to the game too [22:54] do i need a mouse for this game? [22:54] Koodoo: definitely [22:54] Koodoo: it's like spore for building stuff kind of... a bit less forgiving though [22:54] why youtube videos are in small screen when maximised [22:54] would this game be interesting for like 55 yr old people [22:54] that are interested in aviation [22:54] ? [22:55] Koodoo: it depends on how well you deal with failure I think... it takes persistence [22:55] Koodoo: there's some pre-built ships but I think the most fun is in building your own stuff and trying to make it fly [22:55] oh thats cool [22:55] im thinking of showing it to my dad [22:56] Koodoo: yeah that vid I sent isn't the best just the first thing I found on YouTube, this dude Scott Manley does a bunch of videos and talks through what all the stuff is which is pretty cool if you're into the whole space thing :) [22:57] how to switch between desktops? [22:57] jarkko: that thing you click is just a show desktop widget [22:58] put if i click it twize in row it gives me login [22:58] jarkko: you can scroll on the desktop or use a desktop switcher... I usually change my key bindings so I can just use ctrl+alt+up or down [22:58] jarkko: oh don't know about that login part [22:58] well it works now [22:58] but it does that sometimes [22:58] and another weird thing [22:58] strange [22:58] when i have console on bar [22:58] and i click [22:59] it [22:59] jarkko: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation. [22:59] it sometimes have the same effect [23:03] Hi. I like the look and feel of kubuntu. But whenever tried it, I encounter applications keep CRASHING in it! I have used it after installing KDE in ubuntu. Is kubuntu buggy? [23:03] santhust_: no not in general [23:04] santhust_: have you tried checking your logs? [23:04] santhust_: I've run into a couple of bugs here or there but nothing where it's just randomly crashing parts of my system [23:04] santhust_, what apps ? [23:05] what crashes? [23:05] wafflejock: no, not checked logs. [23:05] santhust_: mostly the bugs have been like... can't map keypad to key bindings without using xbindkeys, also recently ran into an issue with KMail due to akonadi not being able to access the MySQL database for some reason... still need to investigate that one... but haven't seen any real hard crashes [23:06] santhust_: you can try to start the apps that are crashing from the konsole to see if they output anything and also check your /var/log/syslog and other logs for anything [23:06] santhust_: it might be some underlying bug in Qt with your system or something if it happens with lots of programs [23:07] like....file explorer etc [23:07] file explorer ? [23:07] santhust_: dolphin [23:07] that's the file explorer [23:07] bug report? [23:07] @wafflejock: ...syslog .. OK [23:07] never expirienced single crash from Dolphin in 13.10 [23:08] and i use it a lot [23:08] ya dolphin [23:08] yeah been bouncing around between versions from 13.04 to 12.04 and now on 13.10 and haven't had any issues like that [23:08] bug report? [23:08] santhust_, as apachelogger suggests [23:09] maybe the files cause the crash somehow? [23:09] dolphin has felt quite stable [23:09] soee: ok. are u using kubuntu along side ubuntu (first installed ubuntu, then through it installed kubuntu desktop environment)? [23:10] santhust_, nope, im using raw Kubuntu [23:10] really the whole system is pretty darn stable... I just keep doing things to botch it up on myself... once because I thought I had a software issue that was really hardware... then was fighting with compiling newer versions of libboost so I could use grive to sync my Google Drive stuff... so ended up upgrading to 13.10 to get that working [23:10] apachelogger: ya, the pop that asks for filing bug report, i go with it. i hope this helps, but doubt. [23:11] I got it all to compile but for some reason it was still using the old libboost so I just gave up and upgraded... really happy I did now [23:12] i like KDE Connect :) it reports smses, calls etc. cool app -.- [23:12] realizing now though the advantage of having a separate partition with your home... kinda thinking I should do that now [23:12] soee: ok, I am havin ubuntu, and then choose the kubuntu DE when trying kubuntu. may be that is a difference which can lead to my buggy experience on kbuntu DE. um? [23:12] i opened /var/log/Xorg.0.log and i see a lot of amd content...does kde starting always load those same things when starting? [23:13] santhust_, im not sure [23:13] santhust_: it's possible... I was running Unity and KDE side by side on 12.04 without issue though [23:13] the best thing to do is to report bug as apachelogger suggests [23:13] santhust_: I just decided to reclaim the space and do a clean install to get rid of any Unity stuff since I decided to stop using it [23:13] wafflejock, + [23:13] :) [23:13] wafflejock: ok [23:14] soee: kde conneck.. alright. [23:15] santhust_, its for Android based phones :) so if you dont have one forget about it [23:15] soee: oh. [23:15] soee: fine. [23:15] would it be possible to make a new file format called for example rdb or something. and add support for apt-get pacman etc to install these files and get ridd of rpm and deb [23:15] santhust_, do you plan to use Unity or KDE ? [23:17] soee: since i haven't tried raw kubuntu, and kubuntu experience as a skin on ubutu is not great, so despite liking the feel of kde, i still would stick with unity on ubuntu, or gnome. [23:19] jarkko: deb is just a debian package managed by dpkg apt works on top of dpkg to manage a list of repos to fetch packages from and grabs the file for you then runs dpkg... I'm not super familiar with RPM but believe it's redhat packages and not sure what is used to install those and the like think just rpm is the program but don't know the details [23:19] santhust_, try Kubuntu its worth it :) Best distro i have used os far [23:19] jarkko: all the package is is a list of where the stuff gets installed, it's dependencies, and the stuff itself (binaries, compiled for some architecture) [23:20] but basically having deb and rpm means extra work and extra file space [23:20] jarkko: think it just makes a bit more sense since the projects are separate for them to have their own packages and to do things their own way is okay... someone can always provide source [23:20] ok :). do you have something to say about linux mint? I am considering to use it on a new intallation. [23:20] its like zip and rar [23:20] jarkko: you can just provide source if you choose... if you have a debian based system you never need the rpm [23:20] zip and rar are for different things too [23:20] rar is for tape archives [23:20] can split across files and the like [23:21] santhust_, iv been using it like 3 years ago for a while, than i moved to Kubuntu [23:21] but think about the situation that there would be only rpm or only deb [23:21] zip is just to compress a list of files to a single file using Lempel Ziv or the like as an underlying compression algorithm [23:21] i do like deb [23:22] jarkko: I understand the rpm and deb thing, would be nice if there were just one but at the same time it's good for there to be some options and competition for people to push each other... that said a concentrated effort is sometimes better too, hard to say in this case, but think you'd be hard pressed to convince the RPM guys to drop it [23:22] soee: what was ur experience like? have you found kubuntu better than Mint? I have heard that Mint is more stable than newer Ubuntu versions, is it so if you know? [23:23] mint 15 was good [23:24] jarkko: what would you suggest: mint or [u/k]buntu [23:24] but i think we could implement another deb1 or rpm1 which contains all the details that rpm and deb have and add support for this new type. and asking people to support new file...so in time deb and rpm could be both dropped [23:25] welll mint 15 is good, but its dropping support [23:25] they dont have kde version yet [23:25] i dont see any difference basically between kubuntu and mint [23:25] they feel the same [23:26] ok [23:27]