[07:44] I need help with Nvidia Drivers for Ubuntu 13 is this a good room for this? [08:41] yes, 7:45 on a sunday morning is a great time to carcth UK people! === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [10:27] good morning everyone. [10:35] \o [10:35] morning MartijnVdS [10:47] * brobostigon had a spectacular idea in a halfasleep state this morning, he envisaged his own shop on second-lif [10:47] is second life still going then? [10:48] yes. [11:29] Hey, does anyone read Linux Format in here? They did a roundup either last issue or the one before, of RSS readers, and I can't remember the winner (it wasn't Feedly) === Rory is now known as heil_Rory === heil_Rory is now known as Rory [12:43] brobostigon: welcome to 5 years ago [12:43] popey: certainly, it is a bad idea. [13:06] Hi peeps :) [13:20] Anybody in here from around nottinghamshire and who has a CB Radio ? [13:25] Neoti: that seems an oddly specific request [13:25] * gordonjcp does not have a CB radio but does have a lot of radio equipment [13:25] gordonjcp: i just want to do a radio check thats all ... [13:26] Neoti: no-one on Ch. 19? [13:26] AM or FM, low mid or hi ? lol... [13:26] well both 27/81 and CEPT require FM [13:27] well i have a superstart 120 fm. i am on channel 19 hi [13:27] ooo [13:28] if conditions are up you might hit one of the websdr sites [13:29] nope no one out there... [13:29] if you can hear skip from Holland you might be able to hit the WebSDR at Twente [13:30] 7MHz aside, I'm not that into all this close-to-audio stuff [13:48] * MartijnVdS just ordered one of those Realtek-chipset DVB sticks [13:48] to play with rtl-sdr [13:48] yeh they're kind of fun [13:49] yeah [13:49] the Twente one is also great -- you can see so many cool stuff on the lower bands [13:49] much* [13:49] and what's amazing is not only can you use them as a powerful low-VHF-to-low-microwave SDR, you can use them to watch telly too [13:49] DCF-77, some number channels (morse mostly) [13:50] gordonjcp: and listen to DAB radio, apparently [13:50] MartijnVdS: I'm going to toss some photons around later if you want to have a listen [13:50] gordonjcp: Well, the rtl-sdr is still in China atm, I really *just* ordered it a few hours ago [13:50] but I might give websdr a go [13:55] note that the DVB-t telly stuff is a separate path; it's not done by the SDR data over the USB, the capture bandwidth isn't high enough for that - they have a demod for that [13:56] penguin42: yeah, they can only get 3MHz wide from the SDR, and DVB channels are 8MHz wide [13:59] aha [13:59] yes [13:59] the SDR stuff is done using what is effectively a test mode [14:13] lots of radio stations on the utwente websdr sound like the TARDIS or the alien probe from Empire Strikes Back [14:16] whoa.. bolivian radio stations [14:22] .. and a radio station that sounds like the Black Mesa Research Facility === joshmyers is now known as bubu [14:53] MartijnVdS: there are a lot of funny digital modes [14:54] MartijnVdS: interestingly if you zoom in on some OFDM modes you can see they're more-or-less flat in frequency response [14:54] and then you see diagonal dark bands moving, which is because of phasing from multipath reception [14:55] I have a Wi-Spy, and I see that on the wifi bands I think [14:55] diagonal bands [14:55] I think that might be some kind of part of the 802.11 protocols though [14:57] I know way too little about this.. where/how do I start learning more? :) [15:43] Impressed - with only 2GB mmeory & a low end graphics card - just played Half Life on Steam with 8 other programs still open. Didn't even notice. [16:04] SuperEngineer: Looking, Half Life was originally released in '98 so that was probably high end then [16:08] ;) [16:26] Anyone know where I might get a copy of a newspaper printed in 2012? [16:27] the newspaper publishers? A library? [16:27] Azelphur: local library? [16:27] was hoping for something online if possible [16:27] penguin42: snap! [16:29] Azelphur: that might cost you a subscrion to particular paper - if they allow archive access [16:29] SuperEngineer: yea, the only archive I've found for this paper is dated 1912 and before [16:29] it's the Kentish Express Ashford edition that I'm after [16:31] Azelphur: write to them / send them a usb stick & beg? [16:32] yea guess so [16:32] oh one of the more major papers then.... [16:37] go to library and photocopy it [16:56] yea, seems like a library job for tomorrow :) [16:56] hth do you tell firefox to stop looping gifs ? [16:56] * penguin42 has had a Mantis eating a fish in a loop for hours [16:57] penguin42: errrmmmm... close firefox? ;) [16:58] [sorry - couldn't resist] [16:59] it's just one thing in my G+ feed [17:15] bitcoins are $800 now? [17:16] thought they were $200 last week [17:16] crazy bubble time [17:16] mungbean: :) [17:16] mungbean: this is /after/ the bubble. This is the new stable price now I reckon. [17:16] it was $1000+ in the bubble [17:16] bubbles first don't they? [17:16] burst [17:16] it did burst [17:16] it dropped to $400 then normalised at $800 [17:16] yeah, bursting = $20 again [17:17] in my book [17:17] you ain't gonna see $20 again. [17:17] no way :) [17:17] thats how bubbles happen [17:17] thats what they say just before a stock market crash [17:17] mungbean: Bitcoin is a successful venture, I see no burst nor any reason that it would burst. [17:17] ^bitcoin^stock market [17:18] something causes collapse in confidence [17:18] xD [17:18] mungbean: that already happened in the past, Bitcoin went to <$1 [17:18] and then it picked back up again [17:18] since bc isn't underwriten by anything like gold, it can crash to $0 [17:19] price starts dropping, people panic, thenm its a crace to the bottom [17:19] mungbean: But the reasons for buying/selling gold have very little to do with actual using or posessing it [17:19] mungbean: There's a lot of unease about the actual stocks of these precious metals [17:20] mungbean: been there done that, it came back up again. [17:20] ok lets talk pork bellies instead [17:20] mmm bacon [17:20] mungbean: OK, lets talk guar gum - what influences the price of guar gum? [17:22] supply and demand [17:22] demand outstrips supply then price ++ [17:22] the inherent usefulness of the product [17:22] mungbean: I have my money where my mouth is with bitcoin, so we'll see ;) [17:23] mungbean: Right, so you get something really random happen - like it starts being used by frackers (really) and it shoots through the roof, no one predicted it and then who knows it might stop being used [17:24] mungbean: That's more real - it's actual stocks of the stuff but in principal could be very unpredictable [17:24] but is underwritten by more stable markets though too right? [17:25] mungbean: That I don't know, but I think so [17:26] ice cream [17:27] bc are pure speculation, likethe doctom bubble [17:27] not to say you can't make money on the rising tide [17:27] i always think of tulip mania at this point [17:31] mungbean: But I think the metal markets aren't necessarily much better than tulip mania, especially for gold which doesn't have an intrinsic use [17:34] penguin42: don't let the ISS hear that - they might disagree somewhat [17:34] ISS? (Not space station....) [17:34] yup [17:35] does it use much gold? [17:35] ...any satellite or spoaceman also thinks it has a rather intrisic use - as so many earthbound bits of kit [17:36] penguin42: they use loads of the stuff [17:36] why? [17:37] [so does a mobilee phone btw - but to a *much* lesser extent] [17:37] spacemen / space instruments they use it for protection - phones use it for vconnections [17:38] I use it to make me pretty ;) [17:39] how to connect openvpn windows client with certificates please help me [17:40] popey [17:44] * mungbean has a gold tooth [17:44] dvrr: my experience with vpns (which is very out of date and I can't remember much) is that you're probably best finding a relaxent before you start [17:44] its a very non reactive metal [17:51] mungbean - the only thing that reacts with gold are stooopid "we buy old gold & nick your money" sites [18:57] SuperMatt: also, aqua regia [18:57] (don't drink that) [18:57] uh [18:58] SuperEngineer, but he left I guess [20:41] To re-ask a question I posted to twitter: Where do you keep your private GPG keys in case your SSD dies? [20:42] on a separate encrypted device? [20:42] hmm QR code 8-) [20:44] on a piece of paper! [20:44] apparently most SSDs die in read only states though [20:44] but yeah wouldn't rely on that :D [20:45] I'd love to get the data off of my dead SSD. But I have managed to install 13.10 onto a smaller, spare, SSD so that I can continue working [20:45] daftykins: SSDs have weird half-erased fail states that happen when a block becomes unwriteable [20:46] my intel X25-M G2 actually would BSOD win7 when it tried to read/write a bad sector that developed - i had to secure erase the drive to overcome it [20:49] daftykins: But bigcalm's is the 2nd case I've heard of where the drive just died [20:49] The drive longer appears as a drive to any device it is connected to :( [20:51] +no [20:51] ouch [20:51] controller fail [20:52] http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/a-raspberry-pi-build-cluster-for-ubuntu/x/5206923 less than £1000 to go :) [20:52] AlanBell: \o/ [20:52] * MartijnVdS needs to get an HDMI-to-DVI cable.. I can't use my Pi atm :( [20:52] AlanBell: yay [20:52] AlanBell: How did you come across that book of pictures of delapitaed places? [20:53] They are exceedingly cheep cables now: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Premium-HDMI-Cable-Gold-Metre/dp/B000GDI6FC [20:54] bigcalm: what type is said dead SSD? [20:54] bigcalm: yeah, but shipping to not-UK is £expensive [20:54] MartijnVdS: Does your country not have a similar emporium of cheapo electronic bits? [20:54] bigcalm: so I'm better of getting some AmazonBasics cables with some other items (to get to free shipping) [20:55] penguin42: we have "allekabels.nl", which is cheap but not *that* cheap [20:55] penguin42: #surrey channel on irc.lug.org.uk [20:55] also, AmazonBasics cables are £3,99 [20:55] not bad imho [20:55] AlanBell: Ah right, I did have someone of the same name who used to work for me for a few years and I seem to remember he was a good photographer as well [20:56] daftykins: OCZ vertex 120GB. I've had 3 OCZ drives and this is the newest one. So I don't hate the brand yet :) [20:56] ah-har [20:57] original generation Vertex? think there were at least 4+ [20:57] s/I've had/I have [20:57] Ug, bought in Jan last year [20:58] OCZ Agility 3 SATA III Solid State Drive 120GB [20:59] penguin42: Amazon sells cables by weight, apparently: http://i.imgur.com/MHT1RfB.png [21:04] nice [21:07] MartijnVdS: give me a kilo of your finest HDMIs please, grocer [21:08] daftykins: --> Amazon [21:08] ;) [21:14] :D [21:14] Hi nice peoples! I have a question. I have an HFS+ HDD in Ubuntu, and I’d like to change the permissions to I can read and write to it. I already removed journaling. Any tips? :D [21:15] No idea.. I've found NTFS to be the best "shared" FS between Linux en MacOS [21:15] I’m not looking to share, per se. [21:16] I just need write access. :D [21:17] probably best to avoid HFS+ then [21:18] from what i heard the other day it's quite flaky [21:20] hi [21:20] hello [21:33] hmm, want to root my nexus 7 [21:33] why-for? [21:34] to use something that requires it [21:34] ah-har [21:34] doesnt seem straightforward [21:34] they don't have easily unlockable bootloaders on those things? [21:35] unlocking the bootloader isn't the same as rooting [21:35] i know, but often it can be a helpful first step [21:35] it is part of the process though [21:36] hi popey [21:36] can you run ubuntu on a nexus7? [21:37] Fujio: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install [21:37] thanks [21:39] found windows tools to root it, but having difficulty finding a nice easy linux way [21:45] rooting typically means unlocking the bootloader and flashing a custom kernel [21:45] i assume you've already done the former [21:45] ali1234: it does? [21:45] for the latter, just find what kernel image that tool uses and flash it however you'd normally flash [21:45] Azelphur: on nexus stuff it does [21:45] the vast majority of the time people just flash the SU binaries and superuser apk and stick with the stock firmware / kernels o.O [21:45] even more so on the nexus [21:49] how do you "flash" the SU binary if you don't already have root? [21:49] yeah, saw some instructions which is to install an su binary via a modded recovery [21:49] ali1234: custom recovery [21:49] right, modded recovery - which is a kernel image + initrd [21:50] so you flash that the same way you'd flash an ubuntu touch image, for example [21:50] then once you've got a modded recovery you can do whatever you want :) [22:38] hi. i am running this command "sudo echo "/dev/sdb1 /media/sdb1 ext4" >> /etc/fstab" i use it as part of an install script. however it says permission denied. how can i run this command as the correct user? [22:39] spiritech, do you want to know why it doesn't work as-is, or just the answer? [22:40] an answer would be ok. though i dont mind both if you have the time. [22:40] i always thought sudo gave root perms. [22:40] pipe to tee. "echo foo | sudo tee /some/file" [22:41] sudo does. but you're sudoing the "echo" command. the redirect, i.e. the >>, is being done by the parent bash shell, which is not sudo'd [22:42] so echo "kagfkasf" | sudo tee /etc/fstab [22:42] well, "kagfkasf" isn't a valid fstab entry. but yes. [22:42] wes. [22:43] i mean yessss [22:43] i have necer used tee before. [22:43] i assume tee reads STDOUT [22:44] and writes to destination [22:44] that's exactly what it does [22:44] tee - read from standard input and write to standard output and files [22:45] so if there is a break in standard input do i need "" or does it do that automatically? [22:46] test it out into a safe file in /tmp [22:48] ok. i will have a play. ty for your help. [22:49] also i had probs with usb installer for 13.10 amd 64 desktop iso. i could make the start up usb. when i booted it would not install. had to use the mini.iso in the end. [22:50] all good now tho. === Guest77697 is now known as everydaylinuxuse [23:08] spiritech: you should be careful about mounting things manually in /media [23:08] the standard is now to mount things under /media// [23:26] ali1234. i am the only user. and it keeps my scripts more compact. can it cause any serious problems? [23:26] probably not, unless your username is sdb1 [23:27] well thats ok then [23:28] not sure why media needs a username. surely if its going to be mounted. well, it will be mounted and accessible by the current user. [23:28] for multiuser systems [23:30] oh. so certain drives are accessible by cerain users. [23:30] surely that could be done with group permissions./ [23:31] or maybe not. [23:32] well, you presumably don't want other users to see you've mounted /media/goatpron [23:33] yes. whatever goatpron is. [23:33] lol [23:33] though i suppose they can still see it on the mountlist [23:33] i don't really know what the real reasoning is [23:33] ali1234: If it was a FAT partition it wouldn't have any permissions and probably anyone can read it? [23:33] you can mount it with umask to fix that one [23:34] though just making private user mount dirs is probably the easiest way [23:34] true, I guess it means you don't get name clashes between different users [23:35] so if i log in as a different user. say blobtech. and went to /media/... i would not be able to see the other user list/folders. is that right. [23:35] ? [23:35] spiritech: I think that's the idea, and you could both plug in a thumb drive labelled as 'pictures' [23:36] or would they be visible and not be able to enter them? [23:36] not sure [23:36] drwxr-x---+ 2 root root 4096 Nov 20 17:51 /media/al [23:37] ooh with acls for extra fun [23:37] that's the +? [23:37] it's got some extra attributes on [23:38] ok that's curious, my trusty box doesn't have /run/media or /media/dg [23:40] surely the best way to do this would be to mount all drives in media, then set user permissions for each drive. rather than setting up a mount list to mount drives to certain users? [23:41] spiritech: what happens if both of you wanted to mount say the same remote fileserver or something like that - it actually gets quite tricky depending on the filesystem involved to maintaint aht type of permissions [23:43] are we talking about two users, using at the same time. ;) [23:43] yes [23:43] or lock screen and then switch users [23:43] oh. i see. i was assuming two users at separate times. [23:45] so what your saying is its easier to have user mount points rather than setting user perms for each drive etc. [23:46] nod [23:46] so all your stuff is inhere yours/....... and all my stuff is in here mine/.......... [23:48] nod [23:48] and its etc/fstab's duty to control where these things get mounted/ or drives anyway? [23:48] no, it's udisks2 these days that does it [23:49] udisks hand;es things like mounting a usb drive you just plug in [23:49] it could be done with fstab? [23:49] fstab can't deal with anything dynamic [23:50] static stuff tho? [23:50] liek int hdd [23:50] oh yeh you can still mount stuff using fstab where ever you like [23:51] also i have noticed that if i plug in my 16gb corsair usb stick it is assigned sdc1. if i remove it then plug in my corsair 8gb usb stick it is assigned the same device name sdc1. is this normal? [23:51] so both get assigned /dev/sdc1 when plugged in separately. [23:52] this is annoying if i want to rsync stuuf on a device level. [23:52] spiritech: You can never trust the order of /dev/sd* [23:53] spiritech: things like /dev/disk/by-label and /dev/disk/by-id etc are much safer these days [23:53] ok. well i use device name at the moment. [23:54] spiritech: OK, don't blame us when you over write the wrong one! [23:55] no. i mean the format name. [23:55] what do you mean by format name? [23:55] like /media/username/corsair8gb [23:56] ah right yes, much safer [23:56] the name you give the device when you format it. [23:56] i just always wondered if you could do it the /dev/sdc1 way. tho obviously not. [23:57] i assume the system just gives out the next available reference when a new device is plugged in. [23:58] it does [23:58] so sda sdb sdc so on so forth. [23:58] but /dev/disk/by-id should be a uuid and therefore always unique [23:58] how do i find the by-id of a device. [23:58] ? [23:59] fdisk -l [23:59] wait, that doesn't work [23:59] you should find they are symlinks anyway [23:59] ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/