[01:14] <bkerensa> slangasek: what do you and kees do for paleo friendly drinks?
[01:26] <slangasek> uh
[01:26] <slangasek> drinks like what?
[01:26] <slangasek> "water"?
[01:36] <shirgall> Yeah, for paleo you need to avoid sodas in general, for example
[01:36] <shirgall> And beers, of course, being grain based
[01:36]  * shirgall has done Atkins, which isn't paleo, but is similar
[02:17] <slangasek> bkerensa: I only drink water, wine, or beer with meals anymore; the latter two certainly not being "paleo friendly", but I've never claimed to be a paleo adherent :)  sugar-free sodas have not been proven to be better than sugared sodas; there've been various studies showing that it makes no difference, and the body's pavlovian response to sweetness is one possible explanation for this result.  Subjectively, I can say that even flavored 
[02:17] <slangasek> ... waters make me hungry
[02:18] <bkerensa> slangasek: do you have any pro tips for pale sauce making for meats and veggies?
[02:19] <bkerensa> slangasek: I searched high and low at traders joes and could not find anything paleo for veggies or meats... everything had additives or sugar (even the organic claiming stuff)
[02:19] <slangasek> what kind of sauce are you looking for?
[02:19] <slangasek> butter works as a sauce on veggies :)
[02:20] <slangasek> we've recently found ourselves making our own barbecue sauce, due to Patty's recently-discovered onion allergy... any kind of prepared sauces will be made with onion powder
[02:21] <bkerensa> slangasek: well sauce to add flavor?
[02:21] <bkerensa> less bland
[02:21] <bkerensa> wtf
[02:21] <bkerensa> butter?
[02:21] <bkerensa> this is not paelo
[02:21] <bkerensa> :(
[02:21] <slangasek> so, sugar-free ketchup, + molasses, + vinegar, + spices == barbecue sauce
[02:22] <bkerensa> mm
[02:22] <bkerensa> slangasek: and do you make your own dressing?
[02:23] <slangasek> yes
[02:23] <bkerensa> Lunch today I had a pretty nice Paleo Bowl at Laughing Planet
[02:23] <slangasek> I just do oil + vinegar dressing :)
[02:23] <bkerensa> it had some sort of vinegar based sauce on the kale that was nice
[02:28] <slangasek> as for butter not being paleo, well, paleo is a useful guideline, but if you're not actually lactose-intolerant, why would you care about the dairy part?
[02:29] <slangasek> paleo has the advantage that we can say it's reasonably safe for everybody; but genes *have* changed since then, and wide swaths of the population can handle some sets of foods outside of paleo
[02:29] <slangasek> (which is why I don't do "paleo")
[16:20] <kees> bkerensa: you will fight insane carb cravings for about three weeks. if you can get through that, it'll all be fine. :)