[01:42] <enrico_> Hi guys, my netbook keeps shutting down (-->lost connection, etc) when I close the screen even though I set my Energy settings to "Do nothing" when it happens
[01:42] <bekks> It may be a BIOS setting, too.
[01:43] <enrico_> Before xubuntu it didn't happen (win7)
[01:44] <enrico_> still a possibility?
[01:44] <bekks> Just take a look at your BIOS.
[01:56] <enrico_> Nothing in the bios
[01:57] <enrico_> I also tried editing /etc/systemd/logind.conf and setting to ignore
[01:59] <bekks> systemd?
[02:01] <enrico_> as here http://askubuntu.com/questions/362667/xubuntu-13-10-disabling-suspend-on-lid-being-closed
[02:03] <bekks> enrico_: Well xubuntu doesnt use systemd.
[02:04] <bekks> So that solution ported from Archlinux is - invalied.
[02:04] <enrico_> something else I can do?
[02:11] <enrico_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1222021/comments/5
[02:11] <enrico_> how do I disable xfce4-power-manager?
[02:12] <alexandros_c> good I have a question, what is the difference between a xubuntu session and a xfce session?
[02:17] <David-A> alexandros_c: I dont know the official answer, but what I have noticed, besides different default themes, is that the program menu is structured differently.
[02:19] <alexandros_c> Thanks David-A for your response, I noticed the theme but as I am using whisker menu there is no difference in menu structure
[02:21] <alexandros_c> Is anyone using dockbarx for xfce? I installed it and gradually it stopped showing running programs now it is not showing any programs :( does anyone know how to fix this, I have searched on the internet and found nothing, thanks.
[02:54] <alexandros_c> is there a way solution for hibernating under xubuntu 13.10?
[02:54] <Poisoned_Dragon> I just don't do it.
[04:29] <alexandros_c> is there a way solution for hibernating under xubuntu 13.10?
[04:33] <anex> im learning that too
[04:45] <jgmdev> suspend works here on xubuntu
[05:04] <alexandros_c> jgmdev, it works for me too
[05:04] <alexandros_c> but I want to know is there a real fix for hibernate under xubuntu 13.10
[05:06] <anex> damn i need time stamps
[05:06] <anex> errr
[05:27] <jgmdev> mmm
[08:14] <hurdorbsd> hi guys
[08:14] <hurdorbsd> I am going to install 13.10 now ..
[08:14] <hurdorbsd> I am switching from Debian 7.2 Gnome
[08:15] <bazhang> any support questions?
[08:17] <hurdorbsd> Can I switch from Kernel 3.11 to 3.12 ??
[08:17] <bazhang> !info linux saucy
[08:17] <bazhang> why would you need to?
[08:18] <hurdorbsd> ??
 Can I switch from Kernel 3.11 to 3.12 ??   <bazhang> why would you need to?
[08:20] <hurdorbsd> just to try the latest stable
[08:20] <bazhang> thats not stable
[08:20] <hurdorbsd> and learn how to install linux kernel
[08:20] <hurdorbsd> kernel.org says 3.12.1 is stable
[08:21] <bazhang> that does not mean its stable within ubuntu, with all the patches
[08:21] <hurdorbsd> oh
[08:22] <hurdorbsd> I see .. so 14.04 is going to be stable with latest kernel in ubuntu
[08:22] <hurdorbsd> So we can't just install a kernel in any linux .. we need to go with the distributor of the linux
[08:22] <bazhang> well, sure; but that's not until April 2014 release
[08:23] <bazhang> you can do whatever you want; you said you wanted stable
[08:24] <bazhang> if you want the very newest of every package, thats not going to be a stable system
[08:24] <hurdorbsd> You mistook me ... I thought when I say stable I mean Stable Kernel (Generally) I didn't know .. it has to be stable within the distro
[08:24] <hurdorbsd> I was just asking ... ok I get it now
[08:24] <bazhang> no, I got it the first time
[08:24] <hurdorbsd> ok
[08:25] <hurdorbsd> So latest stable kernel isn't stable for Ubuntu yet
[08:25] <bazhang> kernel.org stable != withing ubuntu stable
[08:25] <bazhang> it's not stable anywhere
[08:26] <hurdorbsd> Arch is using
[08:26] <bazhang> arch is rolling release, so it's an *option*
[08:26] <hurdorbsd> ohk
[08:26] <hurdorbsd> I see
[08:26] <bazhang> but not all arch users do that
[08:26] <hurdorbsd> but I love xfce with Debian or Debian based Ubuntu
[08:27] <hurdorbsd> okay
[08:27] <bazhang> debian/debian based are a ton more stable
[08:27] <hurdorbsd> because it uses 3.2.5-1 as their kernel
[08:28] <hurdorbsd> which has to be stable after all these months
[08:57] <elfy> anyone else have issues with youtube buffering for a short while then refusing to do anything but stop playing
[09:00] <elfy> mmm - changing to the html5 stops that issue, which I guess will do as a workround
[09:25] <xubuntu193> Any info/update  about the constant error messages: "mei_me 0000:00:03.0: reset: connect/disconnect timeout" in dmesg?
[09:27] <Xubuntin> Hi guys
[09:28] <Xubuntin> If I run the updates for Xubuntu 13.10, that volume control bug will be autofixed?
[09:28] <elfy> Xubuntin: no it won't be - not backported at present and I'm not sure if it will be
[09:28] <Xubuntin> Why not?
[09:29] <elfy> xubuntu193: http://linuxbbq.org/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=811 might help you
[09:29] <elfy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1196155
[09:29] <Xubuntin> Thanks. Is there any reason going for 13.10 instead of LTS? Subjective opinions speaking.
[09:29] <elfy> Xubuntin: time and people resources
[09:30] <Xubuntin> Aha
[09:30] <MatthewH> Hello, I am setting up an older machine with linux and I am wondering what is the best choice as a lightweight OS. I am deciding which is more lightweight Xubantu or Archlinux thanks
[09:31] <Xubuntin> Lubuntu :P
[09:31] <elfy> Xubuntin: subjectively I'd wait - but then again I might have tried getting the gtk3 indicators into 13.10 as well if I'd been just using it, as it is I DID install gtk3 indicators into 13.10 - but that was for testing, I have them also in 14.04 now too
[09:31] <MatthewH> what desktop environment does Lubuntu use?
[09:32] <elfy> Xubuntin: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Saucy/Gtk3Indicators welcome to try but support if it goes wrong will be patchy
[09:32] <Xubuntin> LXDE
[09:32] <Xubuntin> Okay, thanks. Good input.
[09:33] <Xubuntin> Lubuntu is very lightweight, and for being that lightweight it really looks good imo.
[09:33] <MatthewH> Is Arch more resource heavy?
[09:33] <elfy> MatthewH: without knowing what this older machine has in the way of hardware/specs it's hard to tell - is it 2 years old, 20 years old - does it have RAM measure in Kb/Mb/Gb
[09:33] <elfy> does it have a starting handle?
[09:34] <elfy> run on steam?
[09:34] <elfy> :)
[09:34] <MatthewH> celeron 1.3ghz 512mb ram, 8 years old
[09:34] <xubuntu193> Thanks for the mei_me info. Als found dat on HP models: Instead of pressing F10 for entering the BIOS setup, you can press Ctrl+P for entering the Management Extension BIOS. Password would be admin. One can disable logging there, wil try that first.....
[09:35] <elfy> MatthewH: might be better of with lubuntu - or you could go with a minimal iso and build it up from there with what you need
[09:36] <Xubuntin> Do you know how to install Arch Linux Matthew?
[09:36] <MatthewH> Yes I do
[09:36] <Xubuntin> Ah, nice
[09:36] <MatthewH> I do like to get dirty in the terminal, is that weird haha?
[09:36] <Xubuntin> Peppermint OS is also lightweight, and LXDE
[09:36] <Xubuntin> Haha no
[09:37] <Xubuntin> It is built on Lubuntu
[09:37] <SuperEngineer> MatthewH:  fwiw... I run Xubuntu on an old Acer Aspire netbook [similar spec].. no probs.  Added gnome-do and I love it.
[09:37] <Xubuntin> Or derived I guess
[09:38] <Xubuntin> How do you use Gnome Do to get it working effectively? Give it a shortcut or just leave it in the taskbar?
[09:38] <MatthewH> Which version of lubuntu would benefit me better? newest release 13.10
[09:38] <MatthewH> Yes I do know how to use Gnome
[09:38] <Xubuntin> Newest release requires 128MB RAm
[09:38] <Xubuntin> So it is more lightweight than last one, I think
[09:39] <Xubuntin> But that is a minimum with bad performance I guess
[09:39] <MatthewH> I think ill go with lubuntu then :)
[09:39] <SuperEngineer> Xubuntin: I use super+space shortcut
[09:39] <MatthewH> i dont expect decent performance from my doorstopper of a laptop ha
[09:39] <Xubuntin> Is that by default SuperEngineer?
[09:39] <SuperEngineer> yes
[09:39] <Xubuntin> Oh, thanks man
[09:42] <elfy> Xubuntin: I should point out I have ulterior motives for telling people about things we might want testing though
[09:42] <MatthewH> I tried to install mint 13 as the machine doesnt have pae. The thing choked trying to open the Install Linux Mint button
[09:45] <MatthewH> Xubuntin: should I get minimal install lubuntu or do you think regular is ok?
[09:46] <Xubuntin>    If you have space for a regular, I think that would be okay. And just uninstall what you dont need. Then you have most stuff ready to go.
[09:47] <MatthewH> Thanks man, big help. Really appriciate it :)
[09:47] <Xubuntin> You are welcome. Hope you like the distro. You might not find LXDE that appealing, dont know :P
[09:48] <MatthewH> I dont, but it doesnt matter too much. Its only something for the little one to bash the keyboard with
[09:49] <Xubuntin> I see. You also have Peppermint OS, that is a bit more ruff in the looks. Darker look. And you can tweak it a bit and make it look pretty nice.
[09:55] <Xubuntin> How can I restart the taskbar in terminal on Xubuntu? Like force quitting explorer.exe in Windows I mean, and starting it up again.
[10:35] <hurdorbsd> hi I am running xubuntu 13.10 and amazingly my modem work
[10:35] <hurdorbsd> I have a question
[11:12] <was_a_win_user> any1 using kernel 3.12.1
[11:12] <cfhowlett> !anyone|was_a_win_user,
[11:14] <was_a_win_user> ok
[11:14] <was_a_win_user> My xubuntu 13.10 has a broken volume control in the panel
[11:19] <FlurglerHobbit> hey all. Whenever I ttry to enter in any terminal commands involving sudo, or reboot, the terminal is just flooded with a series of y's
[11:19] <FlurglerHobbit> can anyone explain to me what is going on?
[11:20] <cfhowlett> FlurglerHobbit, stay in one channel for best results.
[11:20] <was_a_win_user> lol
[11:20] <was_a_win_user> your keyboard is broke
[11:20] <FlurglerHobbit> nope
[11:20] <was_a_win_user> Did you notice ?
[11:20] <FlurglerHobbit> that's not it
[11:20] <was_a_win_user> ok
[11:20] <was_a_win_user> Send a link of the screenshot
[11:50] <hello4> hello
[11:51] <cfhowlett> hello4, greetings
[11:54] <hello4> i got the problem with xubuntu. when i try to install the system instead of microsoft at my notebook it tells "starting restore sound card(s) mixer state(s) fail, its a think pad by ibm/lenovo T41, and the hard disc is not working properly but i put it in a fiew fractions and at least the first one shuld work (microsoft was running there before without problems)
[11:54] <was_a_win_user> hi
[11:54] <hello4> to try xubuntu does work, just when i want to play some music it doesnt
[11:56] <bareta> hola
[11:56] <was_a_win_user> hello4 I think you need to start from the scratch .. what is your linux uptime?
[11:56] <bareta> algun español?
[11:56] <koegs> !es > bareta
[11:57] <hello4> its xubuntu 12.04.3
[11:58] <was_a_win_user> hello4 when you try what goes wrong?
[11:59] <bareta> no hay españoles por aki
[12:00] <cfhowlett> !es|bareta,
[12:00] <hello4> i already put away the message.. it tells that theres a problem with copying and later that it could be something wrong with the disc drive or the cd or the hard disc. i tried again and after info with copying problem i put out the disc and there was a list of oks, and one fail, "starting restore cloud.. (see above)
[12:02] <was_a_win_user> hello4 you are doing something very wrong
[12:06] <koegs> hello4, i suggest following this http://askubuntu.com/questions/14303/how-can-i-check-my-ram-and-harddrive-for-errors
[12:07] <hello4> ok
[12:07] <hello4> see you
[12:19] <hello4> is this programm to repair the harddisc also on xubuntu live disc?
[12:19] <bgardner> So after upgrade to 13.10, suspend/resume now works on my Aspire (yay!), but on resume it pops up a xfce4-display-settings window.  Not a really big deal (and mostly I'm happy suspend works), but is this something I can stop from happening?
[12:21] <hello4> found it :D
[12:26] <hello4> but how do i get away the keys? /dev/sda2 has a key before it so i can not check the partition
[12:28] <hello4> gparted: at least one logical partition is  mounted
[12:30] <hello4> but i was starting from the disc -> ill try again and restart
[12:30] <elfy> hello4: try right click swapoff
[12:31] <elfy> if you're in a livecd
[12:31] <hello4> ok thx
[12:42] <hello4> which is best to format to? btrfs exfat ext2 fat16 etc?
[12:44] <hello4> "check and repair file system (ext4) on /dev/sda5" "all operations successfully completed"
[12:44] <cfhowlett> ext4 is defaults
[12:45] <hello4> ? so what should i do?
[12:46] <cfhowlett> choose ext4?
[12:46] <hello4> well, yes
[12:46] <hello4> anotherone needed?
[12:50] <hello4> there is btrfs, exfat, ext2-4,fat16,fat32, hfs, hfs+, jfs, linux-swap,ntfs, reiser4, reiserfs, ufs,xfs
[13:01] <hello4> so?
[13:01] <hello4> which one should i choose?
[13:01] <nikolam> hello4, I would vote for btrfs (since you can make snapshots and therefore rollback to previous system state if needed after updates. And also make snapshots of your data. Ot use ZFS, too for external storage on non-system disks
[13:04] <nikolam> hfs/+ is only there for mac comaptibility, ext2,3,4 are evolutions (upgradeable in-place to Btrfs), jfs is if you use many small files, xfs is a robust old style file system for large storage, reiser4 also (as zfs) does not have nor require chkdsk on boot...
[13:04] <nikolam> ufs is for BSD/unix compatibility.
[13:06] <nikolam> So you are safe with choosing ext4, (upgreadable to Btrfs), Btrfs is a modern answer to system disk, reiser4 is a nice ext alternative if there is no Btrfs and ZFS is rock-solid FS for your data and cross platform dependable storage.
[13:06] <nikolam> I think that's all hello4
[13:11] <hello4> thx
[13:12] <hello4> so how do i check if the hard disc is ok? i try it with the same programm GParted "Check and Repair" but it takes so short time that i dont think it'll work
[13:14] <nikolam> aha, before partitioning, you can use live DVD to boot and use badblocks command to check disk surface
[13:15] <nikolam> it is also goof to mention that Btrfs have included software RAID, so yiu can use multiple disks to store your system and data on more then one disk (also for ZFS)
[13:16] <nikolam> if one wants the same with ext4 and other, he should aether use hardware raid, or use mdadmin (md) software raid and make FS on top of it.
[13:17] <nikolam> One can start with one disk and Btrfs and add second disk(s) later for safer environment with data automatically migrating and have block-level checksums. Zfs also always serve righ data and repair it during work, due to checksum checking.
[13:21] <hello4> well its still checking ;)
[13:25] <hello4> now it stopped but i didnt get any message if it was successfull or not
[13:29] <hello4> its choosing automaticly ext4 while installing
[13:43] <naquad> how do i troubleshoot a problem with plugged devices (usb flash drive) not shown in thunar?
[13:44] <hurdorbsd> my volume control don't work in 13.10 .. any fixes?
[13:48] <hello4> its still copying ;D looks good
[14:05] <hurdorbsd> omg
[14:05] <hurdorbsd> Really?
[14:28] <elfy> hurdorbsd: really what?
[14:41] <hurdorbsd> nothing
[14:42] <hurdorbsd> elfy my indicator plugin for volume won't work
[14:42] <hurdorbsd> any fixes?
[14:45] <elfy> oic - just impatience :)
[14:46] <elfy> hang on a moment
[14:46] <elfy> http://askubuntu.com/questions/360806/volume-indicator-issue-after-xubuntu-13-10-upgrade/360840#360840
[15:03] <hurdorbsd> elfy
[15:53] <was_a_win_user> thanks my plugin for volume is working now
[19:36] <teranex> is there a way to see missed notifications in Xubuntu?
[19:36] <teranex> I tried https://launchpad.net/~jconti/+archive/recent-notifications but it doesn't seem to work in XFCE
[20:11] <ElFizbanio> so I installed the xfonts-75dpi, how do I use the said fonts? When I try to change the fonts in appearance font tab I only get truetype fonts
[20:26] <xubuntu006> hi
[20:26] <xubuntu006> can i ask you some help?
[20:27] <GridCube> !ask | xubuntu006
[20:28] <xubuntu006> ok, i have been using windows for yera and now i want to switch to linux
[20:28] <xubuntu006> i downloaded xubuntu 64 bites and now i want to reboot my laptop
[20:28] <ElFizbanio> reboot it then
[20:29] <xubuntu006> yes
[20:29] <ElFizbanio> the reboot button should be under your username if you click it
[20:29] <xubuntu006> but i have never done it before
[20:29] <ElFizbanio> in the top-right corner
[20:29] <xubuntu006> i believed i had to go to BIOS to reboot it
[20:30] <xubuntu006> is that right?
[20:30] <GridCube> xubuntu006, if you are using uefi it can be
[20:30] <GridCube> yes
[20:30] <GridCube> !uefi | xubuntu006
[20:31] <xubuntu006> ok
[20:31] <GridCube> sometimes you have to go to the windows settings and tell it you want an "actuall reboot"
[20:31] <GridCube> it can be confusing
[20:32] <xubuntu006> the thing that worriers me now is that, when loading xubuntu, i will not be able to use my laptop cause i don't have the cd with the original drivers of my laptop
[20:33] <xubuntu006> so i am worried i might not be able to have the audio, maybe the video and so on... i don't know if you understand what i mean
[20:34] <xubuntu006> i am not very skilled with IT
[20:35] <bekks> So how is not having the windows driver cd an issue for the xubuntu support? :)
[20:36] <xubuntu006> :)
[20:36] <xubuntu006> ok, i got you. but how will i find suitable drivers to run my laptop ??
[20:37] <xubuntu006> if i delete everything now and restart it with linux?
[20:40] <xubuntu006> is anyone there?
[20:40] <xubuntu006> please help
[20:41] <ElFizbanio> you should be fine
[20:42] <xubuntu006> ok, can u briefly explain me why i won't need any driver? xubuntu doean't need drivers?
[20:44] <bekks> xubuntu006: Ubuntu needs drivers, but the kernel provides most of them.
[20:45] <xubuntu006> ok, so i won't worry
[20:46] <xubuntu006> last question: ubuntu, xubuntu, Fluxbuntu, Kubuntu... so many...  how should i choose??
[20:47] <xubuntu610> virtualbox - test them out and see what you like
[20:48] <xubuntu610> there is no "right
[20:48] <xubuntu610> " answer
[20:49] <xubuntu006> it seems all about old or new pc with 2 or less GB of RAM
[20:50] <xubuntu006> old pc and small ram = xubuntu . otherwise ubuntu
[20:51] <xubuntu610> do you like unity? have you seen xfce...gnome or kde your flavor?
[20:52] <Poisoned_Dragon> Is this a survey?
[20:53] <xubuntu610> no he was asking if only reason to choose xubuntu was due to old pc/low ram
[20:53] <xubuntu006> ok
[20:54] <xubuntu610> and asking "so many flavors what choose?!?
[20:54] <xubuntu006> ;)
[20:55] <GridCube> xubuntu006, you dont need drivers from windows on linux
[20:56] <GridCube> most drivers for most things are already in the linux kernel
[20:56] <xubuntu006> ok, thank you very much
[20:56] <GridCube> if they are not then you are probably on a bad luck and will need to search how to configure your devices
[20:56] <GridCube> but in 90% of the time stuff works
[20:56] <GridCube> say 80%
[21:00] <xubuntu610> i installed compiz recently and seems like ever since, on an initial boot the screen colors are wonky and washed out
[21:00] <xubuntu610> if i logout/back in - it clears right up
[21:00] <xubuntu610> any suggestions of where to look first?
[21:02] <Poisoned_Dragon> I don't like to use compiz, since it replaces the default window manager with it's own. I use compton.
[21:02] <Poisoned_Dragon> gives me tear free performance without too much pizazz.
[21:02] <xubuntu610> hmmm
[21:03] <xubuntu610> i basically boot into regular and just
[21:04] <xubuntu610> compiz --replace after booting... but still on boot (even with compiz not running) the color is whacked out
[21:04] <xubuntu610> until i logout/in
[21:04] <xubuntu610> looking at compton now
[21:06] <xubuntu610> going to try this out, thanks for the info
[21:35] <Dan_D> How do I mark a .jar as executable?
[21:35] <Dan_D> There is no option in permission and chmod -x does not work
[21:36] <bekks> Because a jar faile isnt executed directly. Use: java -jar myfile.jar
[21:36] <Dan_D> Ah, ok
[21:36] <Dan_D> Thanks
[21:39] <Poisoned_Dragon> Although, you do have to use chmod -x if you execute the jar in your file manager, and it complains that it can't execute it. But, jars would also have to be associated with the installed java for that to be a feature.
[21:39] <Dan_D> Ok
[22:29] <tabeaux> I installed xubuntu 13.10 on a machine with intel-hda audio. It works but the volume icon in the panel is broken. It's greyed out and clicking on it gives a small empty dropdown menu. It used to work on 12.04 on the same machine. Any ideas?
[22:29] <tabeaux> I have done all updates etc
[22:32] <Koodoo> hi
[22:32] <Koodoo> How is Xubuntu and steam
[22:33] <Poisoned_Dragon> tabeaux, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-sound/+bug/1208204
[22:33] <Poisoned_Dragon> Read comment #5. Then, logout and log back in.
[22:47] <tabeaux> Well thanks (even though you left..)
[23:09] <mattwj2002> hi guys
[23:09] <mattwj2002> any idea how to fix 13.10 so I can you the volume icon?
[23:09] <mattwj2002> to adjust the volume
[23:10] <mattwj2002> it is just kind of annoying having to use alsamixer from the command line
[23:25] <Carlinhos> is it possible to install indicator-messages in 13.10?
[23:26] <Carlinhos> i really miss it