ScottK | yofel: It also had a directory in there called '17'. Is that normal? | 00:00 |
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shadeslayer | ScottK: in the plugins? | 00:05 |
yofel | in the lib package - I'm not sure whether it should be there, it's created by debian rules and I think came from debian | 00:06 |
yofel | let me check whether they still have that | 00:06 |
yofel | they do | 00:06 |
yofel | shadeslayer: I'll try to test tomorrow | 00:13 |
shadeslayer | ok | 00:13 |
valorie | Riddell: added my phone #, thanks | 00:14 |
shadeslayer | hmm | 00:23 |
shadeslayer | apachelogger: http://pastebin.kde.org/pfhri07qd#line-516 | 00:23 |
shadeslayer | thoughts on that? | 00:23 |
shadeslayer | passes over here http://build.kde.org/view/KDE%20SC%20stable/job/kdelibs_stable/929/consoleText | 00:24 |
shadeslayer | wheee | 00:27 |
shadeslayer | http://i.imgur.com/4kGVbnx.png | 00:27 |
shadeslayer | when you add a new panel ^^ | 00:27 |
ScottK | Maybe it's OK then. | 01:07 |
lordievader | Good morning. | 07:15 |
soee | good morning | 07:40 |
lordievader | Hey soee, how are you? | 07:41 |
soee | hi lordievader, excited :) finally snow today here in Poland | 07:42 |
lordievader | soee: Snow, wow. Lucky you, I hope for a white Christmas, but so far no snow. | 07:42 |
soee | will come :) | 07:43 |
jussi | soee: we don't even have snow in helsinki yet... | 08:48 |
yofel | ScottK: wrt marble: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-kde/kde-sc/kdeedu.git;a=commitdiff;h=5f44d4090756de0e258e9aeee26030bf39561979 | 09:11 |
* yofel dropped the cmake policy patch from kdelibs | 09:16 | |
yofel | I didn't make that backportable so it's not worth it | 09:16 |
cortexA9 | hello | 09:24 |
cortexA9 | i tried the daily | 09:24 |
cortexA9 | some issues with wifi. | 09:24 |
cortexA9 | connection deactivated. | 09:25 |
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apachelogger | ewww, snow | 10:35 |
soee | weee! :)\ | 10:39 |
apachelogger | ovidiu-florin: box sets are not particularly cheap to produce in small amount | 10:52 |
apachelogger | also very hard to sell without having them in an actual consumer store ;) | 10:53 |
apachelogger | we need more top posting n the mailing list | 11:17 |
apachelogger | I am not annoyed enough by it | 11:17 |
soee | ksquares failed to build for saucy :| | 11:46 |
apachelogger | yofel: ping | 11:49 |
apachelogger | Riddell, shadeslayer: https://trello.com/c/mjkKUZHs what's that about? | 11:56 |
shadeslayer | apachelogger: Riddell I mentioned it atleast 3 times when explaining driver manager -.- , qapt-batch will get a new flag called --plasma , which will cause it to show update / installation progress via the notification area ( just like the copy notification ) | 12:29 |
apachelogger | wasn't in during driver manager :P | 12:30 |
apachelogger | still makes no sense btw | 12:31 |
jussi | apachelogger: why does it ake no sense? (I seem yo ask you why an awful lot) | 12:31 |
apachelogger | something went wrong with them words there :P | 12:33 |
apachelogger | argh, polkit is impossible to debug | 12:34 |
apachelogger | anyway | 12:34 |
apachelogger | it makes no sense because if one calls qapt-batch that invocation is not contextually bound to plasma | 12:34 |
apachelogger | i.e. the desktop | 12:34 |
jussi | apachelogger: but it will be a flag, that is only enabled for items called from that desktop? or did I miss something? | 12:35 |
apachelogger | I dunno the use case because no one ever tells me the use case | 12:36 |
ovidiu-florin | hello world | 12:36 |
jussi | apachelogger: !!!! http://media.fukung.net/imgs/325392234308099338full.jpg | 12:37 |
apachelogger | lulz | 12:37 |
apachelogger | hey ovidiu-florin | 12:37 |
ovidiu-florin | Guys, if there is a way to give some credit to the original author of the code that made the Kubuntu Romania download page: https://plus.google.com/+ZetCoby that would be great. His name is Cosmin Seviciu. | 12:38 |
shadeslayer | apachelogger: the idea was that once the user hits "Apply" in driver-manager, the installation progress is reported via plasma | 12:38 |
apachelogger | see my remarks about context | 12:38 |
shadeslayer | so how does the restart notification tie into the context | 12:39 |
apachelogger | also IMO driver-manager doesn't want to use qapt-batch but libqapt directly for integration reasons | 12:39 |
apachelogger | shadeslayer: it doesn't have a context, it's your desktop telling you that your desktop needs a reboot | 12:39 |
shadeslayer | can you explain a bit more regarding the integration reasons? | 12:40 |
apachelogger | what you want is a progress bar inside the driver-manager | 12:41 |
shadeslayer | and do you have a better way to do it> | 12:41 |
shadeslayer | *? | 12:41 |
apachelogger | because as I have stated numerous times the driver manager is not an installer, it's a manager | 12:41 |
apachelogger | the management task is comprised of an installation task (qapt) and a configuration task (driver-manager-common) | 12:41 |
apachelogger | so progress of the management task is 0->75% =qapt installing the package and 76-100% configuration (e.g. modprobe setup etc.) | 12:42 |
apachelogger | iff however the package is already installed we have 0-100% configuration | 12:42 |
apachelogger | that's why you don't want a plasma notification, why you don't want qapt and why you want a progress bar inside the app itself | 12:44 |
apachelogger | short of having a progressbar that actually represents what is going on you might as well just put a spinning circle indicator there and be done with it | 12:45 |
shadeslayer | except that libqapt doesn't offer python bindings | 12:46 |
apachelogger | excep they can be created, or the driver-manager gets implemented in cpp and uses cpython to use driver-manager-common | 12:48 |
shadeslayer | mhmm | 12:48 |
ovidiu-florin | jussi: how long does the blog post need to be? | 12:54 |
shadeslayer | I don't think there's a minimum limit :P | 12:54 |
apachelogger | 1200 words | 12:57 |
apachelogger | maximum 30k | 12:57 |
apachelogger | if you hit the maximum you'll need to start writing a book | 12:57 |
jussi | hehe | 12:59 |
jussi | ovidiu-florin: should be something about the event. | 12:59 |
jussi | no limits! :P | 12:59 |
jussi | (although Id advise against "I was at munich this weekend" :P ) | 13:00 |
ovidiu-florin | I'm at work now, but I'll try to come up with something creative. | 13:00 |
ovidiu-florin | thanks | 13:00 |
ovidiu-florin | jussi: regarding the migration to wordpress | 13:00 |
jussi | ovidiu-florin: talk to tsimpson | 13:01 |
ovidiu-florin | I think there's a way to have translations for articles. so there is no need to have a separate site to have the content in a different language. | 13:01 |
ovidiu-florin | just a subdomain, or a url change | 13:02 |
ovidiu-florin | tsimpson: ^ | 13:02 |
apachelogger | https://apachelog.wordpress.com/2013/11/25/gwenview-plugins/ | 13:02 |
apachelogger | animated gifs are weird I say | 13:02 |
agateau | apachelogger: awesome! | 13:03 |
tsimpson | ovidiu-florin: what way is that? | 13:03 |
agateau | apachelogger: next step: making it distro-agnostic | 13:03 |
jussi | agateau: Hows things? | 13:04 |
jussi | :D | 13:04 |
ovidiu-florin | tsimpson: http://www.hermesthemes.com/how-to-make-wordpress-website-multilingual/ and http://wordpress.org/plugins/multilingual-press/ | 13:04 |
agateau | jussi: about to melt my laptop with a webkit build, other than that everything is fine | 13:04 |
ovidiu-florin | there are a few out there | 13:05 |
jussi | agateau: :D | 13:05 |
ovidiu-florin | I'll make some tests on my blog | 13:05 |
agateau | jussi: I saw the pictures of the Jussi family at the sprint, looks like Kubuntu is a family operation now :) | 13:05 |
jussi | agateau: yeah, something like that. why werent you there? | 13:05 |
agateau | jussi: I was at Akademy-fr | 13:05 |
jussi | agateau: not acceptable excuse :P | 13:05 |
apachelogger | agateau: making something scalable agnostic to install foo has been on my todo since 2007 or so :S | 13:06 |
agateau | jussi: it will have to do :) | 13:06 |
agateau | apachelogger: good, it's about to happen then ;) | 13:06 |
apachelogger | :S | 13:06 |
ovidiu-florin | apachelogger: when will that gwenview thingy become available? | 13:07 |
apachelogger | just so non trivial | 13:07 |
ovidiu-florin | in 14.04 | 13:07 |
ovidiu-florin | ? | 13:07 |
apachelogger | agateau: I am beginnning to think that maybe it shoudl be done on a per-application basis anyway | 13:07 |
apachelogger | package management is just so vastly different in the no-so-major distros | 13:07 |
apachelogger | or even binary vs. gentoo | 13:07 |
apachelogger | ovidiu-florin: yeah | 13:07 |
shadeslayer | apachelogger: can you plz look at bug 1182784 | 13:07 |
ubottu | bug 1182784 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Install with German / Swiss Keyboard fails: "ubi-console-setup failed with exit code 141" or "Installer Crashed"" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1182784 | 13:08 |
shadeslayer | I for one cannot reproduce it | 13:08 |
agateau | apachelogger: I was thinking of something done this way actually. Adding hooks in the upstream code so distro can provide their part | 13:08 |
apachelogger | shadeslayer: - The installation with Swiss-German Layout works if the installation language is English and not German. | 13:08 |
apachelogger | shadeslayer: and on that note maybe try f6 on the boot manager thingy to switch to german from there | 13:08 |
apachelogger | since I noticed that ubiquity is getting confused | 13:08 |
shadeslayer | hm | 13:09 |
agateau | apachelogger: preferably by forking binaries to reduce changes of introducing crashes | 13:09 |
shadeslayer | I did try it out with German, but did not test with german from syslinux | 13:09 |
apachelogger | agateau: that's how gstreamer does it | 13:09 |
apachelogger | that's hard to facility from a framework POV though | 13:09 |
apachelogger | thing also is... from a distro POV having 30000 binaries to handle stuff for 30000 apps is also not nice | 13:10 |
apachelogger | so you need some sort of consolidated handling/interface to enable one binary to rule them all | 13:11 |
apachelogger | it's all very fugly I say | 13:11 |
agateau | apachelogger: you are free to reuse the same binary as far as I am concerned :) | 13:11 |
apachelogger | sure, if there is one interface | 13:11 |
apachelogger | anyway due to complexity the task rates like super low | 13:12 |
ovidiu-florin | tsimpson: is the transition planed yet? or it's just in the research phase? | 13:12 |
apachelogger | at some point someone will have to do the requirements engineering on that tho | 13:12 |
apachelogger | or we just all start using deb | 13:12 |
apachelogger | that'd be the other solution :P | 13:12 |
agateau | apachelogger: if gwenview had a way to say if (no plugins) { binary = config.group("Installer").readString("kipiinstaller"); kprocess(binary); } I would be fine | 13:13 |
agateau | works for me :) | 13:13 |
agateau | but good luck with that! | 13:13 |
shadeslayer | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rekonq/+bug/1247597 | 13:19 |
shadeslayer | :D | 13:19 |
ubottu | Ubuntu bug 1247597 in rekonq (Ubuntu) "rekonq singing whole root to the internet" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 13:19 |
apachelogger | yeah | 13:20 |
apachelogger | agateau: as I said, that works for specifics it doesnt' scale though | 13:20 |
apachelogger | e.g. for multimedia you want to install a capabiility {codec, demuxer, encoder...} | 13:21 |
shadeslayer | apachelogger: fyi no german language in syslinux | 13:35 |
Blizzz | hu? did kate 3.11.2 lost its built-in Terminal? | 13:51 |
apachelogger | shadeslayer: eh, yes there is, used it not 2 days ago :P | 13:59 |
apachelogger | may be Deutsch | 14:00 |
* apachelogger pokes pysip | 14:02 | |
apachelogger | File: '/usr/share/sip/PyQt4/QtCore/qobject.sip' Line: 239 Syntax error in input. Token type: ID, token value: FinalisationCode, lex state: variable | 14:06 |
apachelogger | :/ | 14:06 |
apachelogger | ScottK: does the sip in saucy have any known problems? | 14:07 |
apachelogger | Blizzz: maybe your profile broke? | 14:07 |
apachelogger | settings -> plugins -> terminal view plugin | 14:07 |
apachelogger | File: '/usr/share/sip/PyQt4/QtDBus/qdbusextratypes.sip' Line: 56 Syntax error in input. Token type: private, token value: private, lex state: variable | 14:13 |
* apachelogger gets the feeling that pyqt is held together by a veeeeeeeeeeery thin thread of goo | 14:13 | |
ronnoc | Riddell: Thanks for the props for The Blue Mint on your Wire blog \m/ | 14:23 |
ronnoc | Pretty sure I've arranged my schedule to allow a few articles a week on it now | 14:23 |
ronnoc | and if you (or and Dev) wants to write a one-off or even a series on it...feel free :) | 14:23 |
* ronnoc has a great iea for an article about how important Muon Discover (or some equivalent) is to the future of Kubuntu | 14:26 | |
apachelogger | Riddell: do you happen to know where simon edwards may be found these days? | 14:31 |
apachelogger | all of pykde binding foo makes all of no sense to all of me | 14:31 |
agateau | that's a lot of all | 14:34 |
apachelogger | huh | 14:44 |
apachelogger | oh my one needs to manually implement typedef QList<Foo> List; | 14:45 |
tsimpson | ovidiu-florin: I'm still looking to see if it's even possible | 14:46 |
ovidiu-florin | tsimpson: https://trello.com/c/u9KpFFxF/81-test-out-multilingual-support-in-wordpress | 14:47 |
ovidiu-florin | I've already set it up on my blog | 14:47 |
ovidiu-florin | most articles aren't translated | 14:47 |
ovidiu-florin | so you will only see them in the language that they are available in | 14:48 |
ovidiu-florin | the latest is translated | 14:48 |
ovidiu-florin | I'm translating categories now | 14:48 |
ovidiu-florin | and tags later | 14:48 |
tsimpson | it doesn't look to me like there any way to migrate drupal7 to wordpress | 14:54 |
tsimpson | unless I'm missing something obvious | 14:55 |
ovidiu-florin | tsimpson: I was talking right now about the multilingual capabilities of Wordpress + Polylang | 14:55 |
ovidiu-florin | tsimpson: regarding the migration: http://wordpress.org/plugins/cms2cms-automated-drupal-to-wp-migration/ | 14:56 |
ovidiu-florin | I'll test this one as well when I have the time | 14:56 |
tsimpson | I think looked at that yesterday, it's all a blur | 14:57 |
Blizzz | apachelogger: maybe … does not show up in the shortcuts, works in dolphin howeever | 14:58 |
ovidiu-florin | Riddell: can I get the template for the Kubuntu Docs site? Cosmin has a few ideeas on how to improve it. | 15:42 |
ovidiu-florin | Cosmin, my web developer friend (Kubuntu user) who made the Download page code, among others | 15:43 |
shadeslayer | apachelogger: uh okay, I don't see a Deusch Schweiz now :/ | 15:53 |
apachelogger | shadeslayer: that doesn't exist | 15:58 |
apachelogger | only the kbd layout is different | 15:58 |
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apachelogger | yofel: suggestsions https://launchpadlibrarian.net/157574314/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-amd64.project-neon5-qtwebkit_0.0.git20131125.r240~21d9ab6.neon7~ubuntu14.04.1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz | 16:24 |
apachelogger | ? | 16:24 |
shadeslayer | Riddell: what's the nick of the limux people who hang here? | 16:25 |
shadeslayer | or do you have their EMails? | 16:25 |
jmux | shadeslayer: me LiMux | 16:26 |
shadeslayer | aha, hi jmux | 16:26 |
shadeslayer | jmux: I have a follow up question, what are the main KDE apps that you use on your distro? | 16:26 |
shadeslayer | You ( or someone else ) talked about LO, Firefox and Thunderbird | 16:27 |
jmux | Yes - that was me | 16:27 |
shadeslayer | but I don't recall anyone talking about any KDE specific apps that you guys use | 16:27 |
jmux | I have a list of our main applications. | 16:27 |
jmux | And I have a list with application requirements for workflows | 16:28 |
jmux | Should I PM the list to you or just post it somewhere? | 16:30 |
shadeslayer | PM is fine | 16:35 |
jmux | shadeslayer: Mail? | 16:36 |
shadeslayer | jmux: do you guys also have a blog where you publish docs and statistics about the roll out? | 16:36 |
shadeslayer | jmux: rohan@kde.org | 16:36 |
shadeslayer | jmux: other follow up questions : do you guys have a internal bug tracker? or are all bugs reported to upstream bug trackers ? Unrelated question to KDE : you showed that you use some Oracle stuff for sync'ing calendar's , how does that work for people who want to sync calendars to their phones? How do people sync official mail to their phones? SMTP ? | 16:37 |
jmux | There is the Munich IT blog (german): http://www.it-muenchen-blog.de/ | 16:39 |
jmux | But the Project is finished. There'll be an offical press announcement in December. Currents status is here (soory all German): http://www.muenchen.de/rathaus/Stadtverwaltung/Direktorium/LiMux/Zahlen_Fakten/Projektstatus.html | 16:39 |
shadeslayer | it's alright, google translate ftw | 16:40 |
jmux | We have an internal bug tracker and it also tracks RfCs und we use it for our requirement engineering and release planing (TRAC). | 16:42 |
jmux | And for planning our SCRUMM sprints. AFAIK we don't have many community bugs. | 16:44 |
shadeslayer | jmux: oh and another one : if a user asks the sysadmin to install a package on his machine, and then logs into another machine somewhere else, is that package installed on login? | 16:48 |
shadeslayer | tsdgeos: yofel: uploading 4.11.95 shortly | 16:51 |
tsdgeos | shadeslayer: cool | 16:51 |
shadeslayer | apachelogger: you forgot to sync gwenview to bzr | 16:51 |
shadeslayer | or vice versa | 16:51 |
jmux | shadeslayer: No - basically we install all packages on every Computer. Additional software most times just happens for commercial / licensed software. | 16:52 |
tsdgeos | i'm holding up to download 300M just to downlaod them again :D | 16:52 |
shadeslayer | heh | 16:52 |
jmux | Software ist installed per computer, but the menu XML is generated per user. | 16:52 |
jmux | SO most time the user already has the software installed, but it's not in hist K-menu | 16:53 |
shadeslayer | jmux: all packages that are relevant to the department? or do you really mean *all* pacakges? | 16:54 |
apachelogger | shadeslayer: hm? | 16:54 |
apachelogger | shadeslayer: I did not do a gwenview upload | 16:54 |
shadeslayer | yes, you did not, but you update bzr | 16:54 |
jmux | shadeslayer: all free packages in our distribution get installed. AFAIK it's about 6.5 GB - installed in about 15 minutes. | 16:55 |
shadeslayer | whoa o_o | 16:55 |
shadeslayer | jmux: still waiting for a answer on calendar / mail :D | 16:56 |
jmux | shadeslayer: Missed that - AFAIK there is no phony sync and especially no BYOD. The OCal product has syncml support and people are using old PALM organizers. We wrote a minimal software to get the sync working with linux. | 17:00 |
shadeslayer | oh cool, if it has syncml you might be able to synchronize to Akonadi | 17:00 |
shadeslayer | which means you can use Akonadi at some point instead of thunderbird if you want to | 17:01 |
shadeslayer | ( syncevolution supports synchronizing stuff over syncml to Akonadi ) | 17:01 |
jmux | There is no sync for anything else. No VPN - we're way behind current technology possibilities | 17:01 |
jmux | Does Akonadi run on Windows? | 17:02 |
jmux | Our policy is basically, one program for one task... independant of the OS, if possible. | 17:02 |
shadeslayer | jmux: http://sourceforge.net/projects/kde-windows/files/akonadi/1.1.1/ | 17:03 |
jmux | This also saves trainig time in the IT training department. | 17:03 |
apachelogger | jmux: yes | 17:03 |
apachelogger | I think the kde windows builds are lagging behind a bit though | 17:03 |
shadeslayer | yep ^^ | 17:03 |
shadeslayer | I was also told that kmail also runs on windows | 17:03 |
shadeslayer | though I suspect it's a 4.8.5 release or sth | 17:04 |
jmux | There is currently a call for bids running for a new mail and calendar service. I can't go into details, but there was an offer with native KDE applications for Windows included. | 17:08 |
shadeslayer | oooh :) | 17:12 |
apachelogger | shadeslayer: 4.10.2 | 17:12 |
shadeslayer | oh that's neat | 17:12 |
apachelogger | shadeslayer, jmux: http://i.imgur.com/D3cB1JG.png | 17:16 |
shadeslayer | sweet! | 17:17 |
apachelogger | somehow that intro view lost it's theme though xD | 17:18 |
shadeslayer | jmux: thx, got the list | 17:33 |
shadeslayer | 4.11.95 going u[ | 17:59 |
shadeslayer | up even | 17:59 |
ScottK | apachelogger: No. Ask mitya57 for sure. | 18:38 |
mitya57 | I am not aware of any sip problems. | 19:05 |
soee | hiho :) | 19:12 |
ScottK | apachelogger: ^^^ | 19:21 |
yofel | apachelogger: re webkit: dunno, OOM? | 19:27 |
soee | how does it work when building packages - i see some are waiting for depenedencies but none packages are building | 19:43 |
yofel | soee: now we need to fix those dependencies, the packages are simply waiting for them to be there | 20:03 |
soee | so they are missign atm ? | 20:04 |
yofel | right | 20:05 |
Riddell | ovidiu-florin: lp:~jr/%2Bjunk/kubuntu-docs-downloader for the docs download script | 20:21 |
soee | someone broke http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ninjas-status/build_status_4.11.95_saucy.html :) | 20:28 |
soee | yofel, will they build today ? | 20:52 |
yofel | I hope so. I just uploaded akonadi which will unblock kdepimlibs once done which should make the rest build | 20:53 |
yofel | only kde-dev-utils need fixing | 20:53 |
soee | yofel, what fixes it needs ? theres missing libiberty-dev dependency | 20:54 |
soee | so you have to upload this missing package or something more ? | 20:55 |
yofel | I think I need to remove the dep for saucy - and write the substition rule in the hooks (matter of minutes) | 20:55 |
apachelogger | ScottK: I think it's the tool kde-bindings claims to use for sip generation | 22:14 |
apachelogger | except I am reasonable certain it is not compatible with uptodate sip | 22:14 |
apachelogger | i.e. the sip files are not actually generated anymore but were generated at some point in the time and then edited... | 22:15 |
apachelogger | sillies | 22:15 |
apachelogger | yofel: yeah, but what to do... last time I tried to populated trusty it also oom'd | 22:15 |
soee | yofel, kdepim-runtime and kopete faild to build :) | 23:05 |
Quintasan | christ | 23:24 |
Quintasan | math is ridiculous | 23:24 |
Quintasan | yofel: You don't happen to know Fourier series, do you | 23:25 |
Quintasan | ? | 23:25 |
yofel | not to the level that I could help you with anything, sorry | 23:26 |
Quintasan | christ, two different equations and none are explained in detail | 23:26 |
shadeslayer | Quintasan: #UniversityProblems | 23:33 |
Quintasan | yeah | 23:48 |
Quintasan | xD | 23:48 |
Quintasan | holy shit I suck at this | 23:48 |
Quintasan | I can't even integrate | 23:48 |
shadeslayer | Quintasan: yeah, if only you had asked me about it 2 years ago :P | 23:50 |
shadeslayer | then I'd be able to help | 23:50 |
Quintasan | It's been 6 months and I already can't integrate | 23:52 |
Quintasan | Christ why this is so useless? | 23:52 |
Quintasan | shadeslayer: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/11/26/1.png | 23:58 |
Quintasan | halp | 23:58 |
Quintasan | ;_; | 23:58 |
shadeslayer | dude | 23:59 |
shadeslayer | that's simple | 23:59 |
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