[00:00] <ScottK> yofel: It also had a directory in there called '17'.  Is that normal?
[00:05] <shadeslayer> ScottK: in the plugins?
[00:06] <yofel> in the lib package - I'm not sure whether it should be there, it's created by debian rules and I think came from debian
[00:06] <yofel> let me check whether they still have that
[00:06] <yofel> they do
[00:13] <yofel> shadeslayer: I'll try to test tomorrow
[00:13] <shadeslayer> ok
[00:14] <valorie> Riddell: added my phone #, thanks
[00:23] <shadeslayer> hmm
[00:23] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://pastebin.kde.org/pfhri07qd#line-516
[00:23] <shadeslayer> thoughts on that?
[00:24] <shadeslayer> passes over here http://build.kde.org/view/KDE%20SC%20stable/job/kdelibs_stable/929/consoleText
[00:27] <shadeslayer> wheee
[00:27] <shadeslayer> http://i.imgur.com/4kGVbnx.png
[00:27] <shadeslayer> when you add a new panel ^^
[01:07] <ScottK> Maybe it's OK then.
[07:15] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:40] <soee> good morning
[07:41] <lordievader> Hey soee, how are you?
[07:42] <soee> hi lordievader, excited :) finally snow today here in Poland 
[07:42] <lordievader> soee: Snow, wow. Lucky you, I hope for a white Christmas, but so far no snow.
[07:43] <soee> will come :)
[08:48] <jussi> soee: we don't even have snow in helsinki yet...
[09:11] <yofel> ScottK: wrt marble: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-kde/kde-sc/kdeedu.git;a=commitdiff;h=5f44d4090756de0e258e9aeee26030bf39561979
[09:16]  * yofel dropped the cmake policy patch from kdelibs
[09:16] <yofel> I didn't make that backportable so it's not worth it
[09:24] <cortexA9> hello
[09:24] <cortexA9> i tried the daily
[09:24] <cortexA9> some issues with wifi.
[09:25] <cortexA9> connection deactivated.
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[10:35] <apachelogger> ewww, snow
[10:39] <soee> weee! :)\
[10:52] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: box sets are not particularly cheap to produce in small amount
[10:53] <apachelogger> also very hard to sell without having them in an actual consumer store ;)
[11:17] <apachelogger> we need more top posting n the mailing list
[11:17] <apachelogger> I am not annoyed enough by it
[11:46] <soee> ksquares failed to build for saucy :|
[11:49] <apachelogger> yofel: ping
[11:56] <apachelogger> Riddell, shadeslayer: https://trello.com/c/mjkKUZHs what's that about?
[12:29] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: Riddell I mentioned it atleast 3 times when explaining driver manager -.- , qapt-batch will get a new flag called --plasma , which will cause it to show update / installation progress via the notification area ( just like the copy notification )
[12:30] <apachelogger> wasn't in during driver manager :P
[12:31] <apachelogger> still makes no sense btw
[12:31] <jussi> apachelogger: why does it ake no sense? (I seem yo ask you why an awful lot)
[12:33] <apachelogger> something went wrong with them words there :P
[12:34] <apachelogger> argh, polkit is impossible to debug
[12:34] <apachelogger> anyway
[12:34] <apachelogger> it makes no sense because if one calls qapt-batch that invocation is not contextually bound to plasma
[12:34] <apachelogger> i.e. the desktop
[12:35] <jussi> apachelogger: but it will be a flag, that is only enabled for items called from that desktop? or did I miss something? 
[12:36] <apachelogger> I dunno the use case because no one ever tells me the use case
[12:36] <ovidiu-florin> hello world
[12:37] <jussi> apachelogger: !!!! http://media.fukung.net/imgs/325392234308099338full.jpg
[12:37] <apachelogger> lulz
[12:37] <apachelogger> hey ovidiu-florin
[12:38] <ovidiu-florin> Guys, if there is a way to give some credit to the original author of the code that made the Kubuntu Romania download page: https://plus.google.com/+ZetCoby that would be great. His name is Cosmin Seviciu.
[12:38] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: the idea was that once the user hits "Apply" in driver-manager, the installation progress is reported via plasma
[12:38] <apachelogger> see my remarks about context
[12:39] <shadeslayer> so how does the restart notification tie into the context 
[12:39] <apachelogger> also IMO driver-manager doesn't want to use qapt-batch but libqapt directly for integration reasons
[12:39] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: it doesn't have a context, it's your desktop telling you that your desktop needs a reboot
[12:40] <shadeslayer> can you explain a bit more regarding the integration reasons?
[12:41] <apachelogger> what you want is a progress bar inside the driver-manager
[12:41] <shadeslayer> and do you have a better way to do it>
[12:41] <shadeslayer> *?
[12:41] <apachelogger> because as I have stated numerous times the driver manager is not an installer, it's a manager
[12:41] <apachelogger> the management task is comprised of an installation task (qapt) and a configuration task (driver-manager-common)
[12:42] <apachelogger> so progress of the management task is 0->75% =qapt installing the package and 76-100% configuration (e.g. modprobe setup etc.)
[12:42] <apachelogger> iff however the package is already installed we have 0-100% configuration 
[12:44] <apachelogger> that's why you don't want a plasma notification, why you don't want qapt and why you want a progress bar inside the app itself
[12:45] <apachelogger> short of having a progressbar that actually represents what is going on you might as well just put a spinning circle indicator there and be done with it
[12:46] <shadeslayer> except that libqapt doesn't offer python bindings
[12:48] <apachelogger> excep they can be created, or the driver-manager gets implemented in cpp and uses cpython to use driver-manager-common
[12:48] <shadeslayer> mhmm
[12:54] <ovidiu-florin> jussi: how long does the blog post need to be?
[12:54] <shadeslayer> I don't think there's a minimum limit :P
[12:57] <apachelogger> 1200 words
[12:57] <apachelogger> maximum 30k
[12:57] <apachelogger> if you hit the maximum you'll need to start writing a book
[12:59] <jussi> hehe
[12:59] <jussi> ovidiu-florin: should be something about the event. 
[12:59] <jussi> no limits! :P
[13:00] <jussi> (although Id advise against "I was at munich this weekend" :P )
[13:00] <ovidiu-florin> I'm at work now, but I'll try to come up with something creative.
[13:00] <ovidiu-florin> thanks
[13:00] <ovidiu-florin> jussi: regarding the migration to wordpress
[13:01] <jussi> ovidiu-florin: talk to tsimpson
[13:01] <ovidiu-florin> I think there's a way to have translations for articles. so there is no need to have a separate site to have the content in a different language.
[13:02] <ovidiu-florin> just a subdomain, or a url change
[13:02] <ovidiu-florin> tsimpson: ^
[13:02] <apachelogger> https://apachelog.wordpress.com/2013/11/25/gwenview-plugins/
[13:02] <apachelogger> animated gifs are weird I say
[13:03] <agateau> apachelogger: awesome!
[13:03] <tsimpson> ovidiu-florin: what way is that?
[13:03] <agateau> apachelogger: next step: making it distro-agnostic
[13:04] <jussi> agateau: Hows things?
[13:04] <jussi> :D
[13:04] <ovidiu-florin> tsimpson: http://www.hermesthemes.com/how-to-make-wordpress-website-multilingual/ and http://wordpress.org/plugins/multilingual-press/
[13:04] <agateau> jussi: about to melt my laptop with a webkit build, other than that everything is fine
[13:05] <ovidiu-florin> there are a few out there
[13:05] <jussi> agateau: :D
[13:05] <ovidiu-florin> I'll make some tests on my blog
[13:05] <agateau> jussi: I saw the pictures of the Jussi family at the sprint, looks like Kubuntu is a family operation now :)
[13:05] <jussi> agateau: yeah, something like that. why werent you there? 
[13:05] <agateau> jussi: I was at Akademy-fr
[13:05] <jussi> agateau: not acceptable excuse :P
[13:06] <apachelogger> agateau: making something scalable agnostic to install foo has been on my todo since 2007 or so :S
[13:06] <agateau> jussi: it will have to do :)
[13:06] <agateau> apachelogger: good, it's about to happen then ;)
[13:06] <apachelogger> :S
[13:07] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger: when will that gwenview thingy become available?
[13:07] <apachelogger> just so non trivial
[13:07] <ovidiu-florin> in 14.04
[13:07] <ovidiu-florin> ?
[13:07] <apachelogger> agateau: I am beginnning to think that maybe it shoudl be done on a per-application basis anyway
[13:07] <apachelogger> package management is just so vastly different in the no-so-major distros
[13:07] <apachelogger> or even binary vs. gentoo
[13:07] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: yeah
[13:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: can you plz look at bug 1182784
[13:08] <ubottu> bug 1182784 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Install with German / Swiss Keyboard fails: "ubi-console-setup failed with exit code 141" or "Installer Crashed"" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1182784
[13:08] <shadeslayer> I for one cannot reproduce it
[13:08] <agateau> apachelogger: I was thinking of something done this way actually. Adding hooks in the upstream code so distro can provide their part
[13:08] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: - The installation with Swiss-German Layout works if the installation language is English and not German.
[13:08] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: and on that note maybe try f6 on the boot manager thingy to switch to german from there
[13:08] <apachelogger> since I noticed that ubiquity is getting confused
[13:09] <shadeslayer> hm
[13:09] <agateau> apachelogger: preferably by forking binaries to reduce changes of introducing crashes
[13:09] <shadeslayer> I did try it out with German, but did not test with german from syslinux
[13:09] <apachelogger> agateau: that's how gstreamer does it
[13:09] <apachelogger> that's hard to facility from a framework POV though
[13:10] <apachelogger> thing also is... from a distro POV having 30000 binaries to handle stuff for 30000 apps is also not nice
[13:11] <apachelogger> so you need some sort of consolidated handling/interface to enable one binary to rule them all
[13:11] <apachelogger> it's all very fugly I say
[13:11] <agateau> apachelogger: you are free to reuse the same binary as far as I am concerned :)
[13:11] <apachelogger> sure, if there is one interface
[13:12] <apachelogger> anyway due to complexity the task rates like super low
[13:12] <ovidiu-florin> tsimpson: is the transition planed yet? or it's just in the research phase?
[13:12] <apachelogger> at some point someone will have to do the requirements engineering on that tho
[13:12] <apachelogger> or we just all start using deb
[13:12] <apachelogger> that'd be the other solution :P
[13:13] <agateau> apachelogger: if gwenview had a way to say if (no plugins) { binary = config.group("Installer").readString("kipiinstaller"); kprocess(binary); } I would be fine
[13:13] <agateau> works for me :)
[13:13] <agateau> but good luck with that!
[13:19] <shadeslayer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rekonq/+bug/1247597
[13:19] <shadeslayer> :D
[13:19] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 1247597 in rekonq (Ubuntu) "rekonq singing whole root to the internet" [Wishlist,Triaged]
[13:20] <apachelogger> yeah
[13:20] <apachelogger> agateau: as I said, that works for specifics it doesnt' scale though
[13:21] <apachelogger> e.g. for multimedia you want to install a capabiility {codec, demuxer, encoder...}
[13:35] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: fyi no german language in syslinux
[13:51] <Blizzz> hu? did kate 3.11.2 lost its built-in Terminal?
[13:59] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: eh, yes there is, used it not 2 days ago :P
[14:00] <apachelogger> may be Deutsch
[14:02]  * apachelogger pokes pysip
[14:06] <apachelogger> File: '/usr/share/sip/PyQt4/QtCore/qobject.sip' Line: 239 Syntax error in input. Token type: ID, token value: FinalisationCode, lex state: variable
[14:06] <apachelogger> :/
[14:07] <apachelogger> ScottK: does the sip in saucy have any known problems?
[14:07] <apachelogger> Blizzz: maybe your profile broke?
[14:07] <apachelogger> settings -> plugins -> terminal view plugin
[14:13] <apachelogger> File: '/usr/share/sip/PyQt4/QtDBus/qdbusextratypes.sip' Line: 56 Syntax error in input. Token type: private, token value: private, lex state: variable
[14:13]  * apachelogger gets the feeling that pyqt is held together by a veeeeeeeeeeery thin thread of goo
[14:23] <ronnoc> Riddell: Thanks for the props for The Blue Mint on your Wire blog \m/
[14:23] <ronnoc> Pretty sure I've arranged my schedule to allow a few articles a week on it now
[14:23] <ronnoc> and if you (or and Dev) wants to write a one-off or even a series on it...feel free :)
[14:26]  * ronnoc has a great iea for an article about how important Muon Discover (or some equivalent) is to the future of Kubuntu
[14:31] <apachelogger> Riddell: do you happen to know where simon edwards may be found these days?
[14:31] <apachelogger> all of pykde binding foo makes all of no sense to all of me
[14:34] <agateau> that's a lot of all
[14:44] <apachelogger> huh
[14:45] <apachelogger> oh my one needs to manually implement typedef QList<Foo> List;
[14:46] <tsimpson> ovidiu-florin: I'm still looking to see if it's even possible
[14:47] <ovidiu-florin> tsimpson: https://trello.com/c/u9KpFFxF/81-test-out-multilingual-support-in-wordpress
[14:47] <ovidiu-florin> I've already set it up on my blog
[14:47] <ovidiu-florin> most articles aren't translated
[14:48] <ovidiu-florin> so you will only see them in the language that they are available in
[14:48] <ovidiu-florin> the latest is translated
[14:48] <ovidiu-florin> I'm translating categories now
[14:48] <ovidiu-florin> and tags later
[14:54] <tsimpson> it doesn't look to me like there any way to migrate drupal7 to wordpress
[14:55] <tsimpson> unless I'm missing something obvious
[14:55] <ovidiu-florin> tsimpson: I was talking right now about the multilingual capabilities of Wordpress + Polylang
[14:56] <ovidiu-florin> tsimpson: regarding the migration: http://wordpress.org/plugins/cms2cms-automated-drupal-to-wp-migration/
[14:56] <ovidiu-florin> I'll test this one as well when I have the time
[14:57] <tsimpson> I think looked at that yesterday, it's all a blur
[14:58] <Blizzz> apachelogger: maybe … does not show up in the shortcuts, works in dolphin howeever
[15:42] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: can I get the template for the Kubuntu Docs site? Cosmin has a few ideeas on how to improve it.
[15:43] <ovidiu-florin> Cosmin, my web developer friend (Kubuntu user) who made the Download page code, among others
[15:53] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: uh okay, I don't see a Deusch Schweiz now :/
[15:58] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that doesn't exist
[15:58] <apachelogger> only the kbd layout is different
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[16:24] <apachelogger> yofel: suggestsions https://launchpadlibrarian.net/157574314/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-amd64.project-neon5-qtwebkit_0.0.git20131125.r240~21d9ab6.neon7~ubuntu14.04.1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[16:24] <apachelogger> ?
[16:25] <shadeslayer> Riddell: what's the nick of the limux people who hang here?
[16:25] <shadeslayer> or do you have their EMails?
[16:26] <jmux> shadeslayer: me LiMux
[16:26] <shadeslayer> aha, hi jmux
[16:26] <shadeslayer> jmux: I have a follow up question, what are the main KDE apps that you use on your distro?
[16:27] <shadeslayer> You ( or someone else ) talked about LO, Firefox and Thunderbird
[16:27] <jmux> Yes - that was me
[16:27] <shadeslayer> but I don't recall anyone talking about any KDE specific apps that you guys use
[16:27] <jmux> I have a list of our main applications.
[16:28] <jmux> And I have a list with application requirements for workflows
[16:30] <jmux> Should I PM the list to you or just post it somewhere?
[16:35] <shadeslayer> PM is fine
[16:36] <jmux> shadeslayer: Mail?
[16:36] <shadeslayer> jmux: do you guys also have a blog where you publish docs and statistics about the roll out?
[16:36] <shadeslayer> jmux: rohan@kde.org
[16:37] <shadeslayer> jmux: other follow up questions : do you guys have a internal bug tracker? or are all bugs reported to upstream bug trackers ? Unrelated question to KDE : you showed that you use some Oracle stuff for sync'ing calendar's , how does that work for people who want to sync calendars to their phones? How do people sync official mail to their phones? SMTP ?
[16:39] <jmux> There is the Munich IT blog (german): http://www.it-muenchen-blog.de/
[16:39] <jmux> But the Project is finished. There'll be an offical press announcement in December. Currents status is here (soory all German): http://www.muenchen.de/rathaus/Stadtverwaltung/Direktorium/LiMux/Zahlen_Fakten/Projektstatus.html
[16:40] <shadeslayer> it's alright, google translate ftw
[16:42] <jmux> We have an internal bug tracker and it also tracks RfCs und we use it for our requirement engineering and release planing (TRAC).
[16:44] <jmux> And for planning our SCRUMM sprints. AFAIK we don't have many community bugs.
[16:48] <shadeslayer> jmux: oh and another one : if a user asks the sysadmin to install a package on his machine, and then logs into another machine somewhere else, is that package installed on login?
[16:51] <shadeslayer> tsdgeos: yofel: uploading 4.11.95 shortly
[16:51] <tsdgeos> shadeslayer: cool
[16:51] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you forgot to sync gwenview to bzr
[16:51] <shadeslayer> or vice versa
[16:52] <jmux> shadeslayer: No - basically we install all packages on every Computer. Additional software most times just happens for commercial / licensed software.
[16:52] <tsdgeos> i'm holding up to download 300M just to downlaod them again :D
[16:52] <shadeslayer> heh
[16:52] <jmux> Software ist installed per computer, but the menu XML is generated per user.
[16:53] <jmux> SO most time the user already has the software installed, but it's not in hist K-menu
[16:54] <shadeslayer> jmux: all packages that are relevant to the department? or do you really mean *all* pacakges?
[16:54] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: hm?
[16:54] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I did not do a gwenview upload
[16:54] <shadeslayer> yes, you did not, but you update bzr
[16:55] <jmux> shadeslayer: all free packages in our distribution get installed. AFAIK it's about 6.5 GB - installed in about 15 minutes.
[16:55] <shadeslayer> whoa o_o
[16:56] <shadeslayer> jmux: still waiting for a answer on calendar / mail :D
[17:00] <jmux> shadeslayer: Missed that - AFAIK there is no phony sync and especially no BYOD. The OCal product has syncml support and people are using old PALM organizers. We wrote a minimal software to get the sync working with linux.
[17:00] <shadeslayer> oh cool, if it has syncml you might be able to synchronize to Akonadi
[17:01] <shadeslayer> which means you can use Akonadi at some point instead of thunderbird if you want to
[17:01] <shadeslayer> ( syncevolution supports synchronizing stuff over syncml to Akonadi )
[17:01] <jmux> There is no sync for anything else. No VPN - we're way behind current technology possibilities
[17:02] <jmux> Does Akonadi run on Windows?
[17:02] <jmux> Our policy is basically, one program for one task... independant of the OS, if possible.
[17:03] <shadeslayer> jmux: http://sourceforge.net/projects/kde-windows/files/akonadi/1.1.1/
[17:03] <jmux> This also saves trainig time in the IT training department.
[17:03] <apachelogger> jmux: yes
[17:03] <apachelogger> I think the kde windows builds are lagging behind a bit though
[17:03] <shadeslayer> yep ^^
[17:03] <shadeslayer> I was also told that kmail also runs on windows
[17:04] <shadeslayer> though I suspect it's a 4.8.5 release or sth
[17:08] <jmux> There is currently a call for bids running for a new mail and calendar service. I can't go into details, but there was an offer with native KDE applications for Windows included.
[17:12] <shadeslayer> oooh :)
[17:12] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: 4.10.2
[17:12] <shadeslayer> oh that's neat
[17:16] <apachelogger> shadeslayer, jmux: http://i.imgur.com/D3cB1JG.png
[17:17] <shadeslayer> sweet!
[17:18] <apachelogger> somehow that intro view lost it's theme though xD
[17:33] <shadeslayer> jmux: thx, got the list
[17:59] <shadeslayer> 4.11.95 going u[
[17:59] <shadeslayer> up even
[18:38] <ScottK> apachelogger: No.  Ask mitya57 for sure.
[19:05] <mitya57> I am not aware of any sip problems.
[19:12] <soee> hiho :)
[19:21] <ScottK> apachelogger: ^^^
[19:27] <yofel> apachelogger: re webkit: dunno, OOM?
[19:43] <soee> how does it work when building packages - i see some are waiting for depenedencies but none packages are building
[20:03] <yofel> soee: now we need to fix those dependencies, the packages are simply waiting for them to be there
[20:04] <soee> so they are missign atm ?
[20:05] <yofel> right
[20:21] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: lp:~jr/%2Bjunk/kubuntu-docs-downloader  for the docs download script
[20:28] <soee> someone broke http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ninjas-status/build_status_4.11.95_saucy.html :)
[20:52] <soee> yofel, will they build today ?
[20:53] <yofel> I hope so. I just uploaded akonadi which will unblock kdepimlibs once done which should make the rest build
[20:53] <yofel> only kde-dev-utils need fixing
[20:54] <soee> yofel, what fixes it needs ? theres missing libiberty-dev dependency
[20:55] <soee> so you have to upload this missing package or something more ?
[20:55] <yofel> I think I need to remove the dep for saucy - and write the substition rule in the hooks  (matter of minutes)
[22:14] <apachelogger> ScottK: I think it's the tool kde-bindings claims to use for sip generation
[22:14] <apachelogger> except I am reasonable certain it is not compatible with uptodate sip
[22:15] <apachelogger> i.e. the sip files are not actually generated anymore but were generated at some point in the time and then edited...
[22:15] <apachelogger> sillies
[22:15] <apachelogger> yofel: yeah, but what to do... last time I tried to populated trusty it also oom'd
[23:05] <soee> yofel, kdepim-runtime and kopete faild to build :)
[23:24] <Quintasan> christ
[23:24] <Quintasan> math is ridiculous
[23:25] <Quintasan> yofel: You don't happen to know Fourier series, do you
[23:25] <Quintasan> ?
[23:26] <yofel> not to the level that I could help you with anything, sorry
[23:26] <Quintasan> christ, two different equations and none are explained in detail
[23:33] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: #UniversityProblems
[23:48] <Quintasan> yeah
[23:48] <Quintasan> xD
[23:48] <Quintasan> holy shit I suck at this
[23:48] <Quintasan> I can't even integrate
[23:50] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: yeah, if only you had asked me about it 2 years ago :P
[23:50] <shadeslayer> then I'd be able to help
[23:52] <Quintasan> It's been 6 months and I already can't integrate
[23:52] <Quintasan> Christ why this is so useless?
[23:58] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/11/26/1.png
[23:58] <Quintasan> halp
[23:58] <Quintasan> ;_;
[23:59] <shadeslayer> dude
[23:59] <shadeslayer> that's simple