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| mattymo | hggdh, I just wanted to say thanks for adding your bot to our channel and we don't need anything else | 12:40 |
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| hggdh | mattymo: you are welcome | 13:47 |
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| penguin42 | jsalisbury: Bug 1241871 it's reported that the upstream now has a fix in it, maybe a candidate for update? | 17:16 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1241871 in linux (Ubuntu) "8086:0166 [ASUS ZENBOOK UX32VD] 13.10 kernels (3.11.x) Fail to light" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1241871 | 17:16 |
| jsalisbury | penguin42, thanks! I'll take a look | 17:16 |
| NikTh | Hello, can I ask for an apport-collect command in bugs like this one ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1254867 or because it has not a package assigned apport-collect will not have any effect ? | 21:47 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1254867 in Ubuntu "Waking from Sleep Makes Some Games Perform Sluggishly" [Undecided,New] | 21:47 |
| penguin42 | I think a bot automatically sets it to incomplete and asks the reporter to pick a package | 21:48 |
| penguin42 | personally I'd guess for Linux and want a set of logs gathered after a resume | 21:49 |
| NikTh | Thanks penguin42 . As I'm not sure what package is the appropriate one, I will leave it as it is. | 21:51 |
| TheLordOfTime | what does one do when you can't use `ubuntu-bug` to file a bug about something crashing, because apport itself crashes? | 22:15 |
| hggdh | TheLordOfTime: first step: cry. 2nd: verify if there is a bug opened against apport on that | 22:16 |
| TheLordOfTime | hggdh, first step cry? lol | 22:16 |
| hggdh | usually, apport -- being THE eror handler -- should not crash | 22:16 |
| hggdh | so, I would cry first ;-) | 22:16 |
| TheLordOfTime | hggdh, so if apport is crashing, go curl up in the corner, cry, panic, and then just lay down there and sob until you die? | 22:16 |
| TheLordOfTime | or, of course, my favorite: | 22:17 |
| TheLordOfTime | nuke the system with a clean install | 22:17 |
| hggdh | which will prolly not solve the issue... | 22:17 |
| TheLordOfTime | well... | 22:17 |
| hggdh | and I did not say 'curl up & cry', I just said cry. Some 5 seconds is enough | 22:17 |
| hggdh | how did apport crash? Backtrace available? | 22:18 |
| TheLordOfTime | no idea | 22:18 |
| TheLordOfTime | the user who asked it on ask ubuntu's main chat isn/t there | 22:18 |
| TheLordOfTime | and i have questions for em | 22:18 |
| hggdh | k. I do remember some issues on apport some time ago, perhaps the user needs to dist-upgrade | 22:18 |
| TheLordOfTime | hggdh, http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/12337200#12337200 and the next several messages after that are relevant | 22:19 |
| TheLordOfTime | 13.10 was the offending system | 22:19 |
| TheLordOfTime | my first quesiton was "Did they in-place upgrade 13.04 to 13.10?" | 22:20 |
| TheLordOfTime | but of course i'm 8 hours late to the party | 22:20 |
| hggdh | heh | 22:21 |
| hggdh | yeah, without knowing how ubuntu-bug crashes, it is difficult to say where is the issue :-( | 22:22 |
| hggdh | and... who is filemanager? | 22:23 |
| TheLordOfTime | nfc | 22:33 |
| hggdh | hum. I cannot even log in to the stackexchange chat... | 22:35 |
| TheLordOfTime | hggdh, do you have an askubuntu nick? | 22:35 |
| TheLordOfTime | if so you login to askubuntu first :P | 22:35 |
| TheLordOfTime | then access the chat | 22:35 |
| hggdh | I did... | 22:39 |
| hggdh | bah. I will get thru it later. Try with another browser, etc | 22:39 |
| TheLordOfTime | mhm | 22:41 |
| TheLordOfTime | the person who was having the issues isn't around though | 22:41 |
| hggdh | yeah. Until s/he comes back, hopefully, I will have squared out my issue with login | 22:41 |
| hggdh | I wonder if 2-factor auth is playing a role | 22:41 |
| TheLordOfTime | could be | 22:48 |
| TheLordOfTime | hggdh, you using google to login or something? | 22:48 |
| TheLordOfTime | because i just use launchpad.net as my openid auth | 22:48 |
| TheLordOfTime | and it works xD | 22:48 |
| hggdh | I was also using lp.net. It does not work... So I tried having one tab on lp.net (logged), and one tab on askubuntu (logged). Stil, chat.stackexchange fails | 22:50 |
| hggdh | checked probably blockage, found I was blocking data from stackauth.com; allowed it, checked OK, tried again -- still fails | 22:50 |
| hggdh | s/probably/probable/ | 22:51 |
| TheLordOfTime | cache nuke | 22:52 |
| NikTh | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1254834 , how is this possible ? | 22:56 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1254834 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Can't report bug with apport because /var has no free space" [Undecided,New] | 22:56 |
| NikTh | The whole root partition is filled up, I guess. /var is under /root. If the user had a separate /var , I guess s/he would know what to do in order to free /var space. ;-) | 22:59 |
| NikTh | Should I convert it to a question or not ? | 23:01 |
| hggdh | NikTh: my first feeling is that it should be a question -- be it the same partition (usual) or a different one (rare, user *must* know what is being done), the fact is there is no space... | 23:03 |
| NikTh | I will convert it to a question then. Thanks hggdh | 23:05 |
| hggdh | even more given the error message asks for cleaning up space | 23:05 |
| NikTh | Correct :-) | 23:09 |
| NikTh | hmm, I have a problem with the RSS feed (Firefox bookmark) right now. It shows only 10 results. | 23:11 |
| hggdh | NikTh: you mean the Launchpad bugs feed? If so, you can /join #ubuntu-bugs-announce | 23:14 |
| NikTh | Yes bugs feed I mean. Thanks hggdh | 23:14 |
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| TheLordOfTime | yeah the bugs announce channel is nicer :P | 23:32 |
| penguin42 | latest bugs are always boring | 23:32 |
| TheLordOfTime | penguin42, i have the ones for nginx on highlight | 23:33 |
| TheLordOfTime | i'm expecting people from Apache to try and change the nginx default docroot | 23:33 |
| TheLordOfTime | ... which violates Debian policy... | 23:33 |
| TheLordOfTime | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=730382 | 23:33 |
| ubot2 | Debian bug 730382 in nginx "nginx: Please change the default document root to /var/www/html" [Important,Open] | 23:33 |
| TheLordOfTime | why's it open it should be won'tfix | 23:34 |
| TheLordOfTime | penguin42, apparently, 11.5.4 debian policy states not to use /var/www/html... http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-customized-programs.html#s-web-appl | 23:35 |
| TheLordOfTime | i think the apache people are crazy | 23:35 |
| TheLordOfTime | they tried in Debian, it was rejected by the maintainers. if they try in Ubuntu i'll slap them quoting the debian bug and debian policy... | 23:37 |
| TheLordOfTime | hggdh, Ubuntu tries to follow Debian policy as closely as they can, no? | 23:37 |
| TheLordOfTime | or is there a different policy set in play for packages? | 23:37 |
| penguin42 | TheLordOfTime: So where does nginx currently have it's root? | 23:37 |
| TheLordOfTime | (and how they behave) | 23:37 |
| TheLordOfTime | penguin42, /usr/share/nginx (WHICH IS ACKNOWLEDGED AS WRONG!) | 23:37 |
| TheLordOfTime | gonna be /usr/share/doc/nginx next upload | 23:38 |
| TheLordOfTime | (per 11.5.4 http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-customized-programs.html#s-web-appl ) | 23:38 |
| TheLordOfTime | at least that's what was implied | 23:38 |
| penguin42 | TheLordOfTime: What's a bit weird is that's where I'd expect documentation about the package, not the base place it serves it's documents from | 23:38 |
| TheLordOfTime | penguin42, it's debian... | 23:38 |
| TheLordOfTime | blame them | 23:38 |
| TheLordOfTime | 11.5.4: | 23:39 |
| TheLordOfTime | Web Document Root | 23:39 |
| TheLordOfTime | Web Document Root | 23:39 |
| TheLordOfTime | Web Applications should try to avoid storing files in the Web Document Root. Instead they should use the /usr/share/doc/package directory for documents and register the Web Application via the doc-base package. | 23:39 |
| TheLordOfTime | whoooopsies | 23:39 |
| TheLordOfTime | penguin42, i blame debian policy, because i'd expect the same you expect. | 23:39 |
| TheLordOfTime | apache is the only webserver that has a requirement use of /var/www/html apparently though | 23:39 |
| TheLordOfTime | and apparently Apache is saying "We're the debian standard, so follow us!' | 23:39 |
| TheLordOfTime | when they're violating debian policy. | 23:39 |
| penguin42 | TheLordOfTime: Are we reading this the right way - does 'Web application' mean a server? or does it mean a set of things that get served? | 23:40 |
| TheLordOfTime | 11.5 header penguin42 | 23:40 |
| TheLordOfTime | 11.5 Web servers and applications | 23:40 |
| TheLordOfTime | This section describes the locations and URLs that should be used by all web servers and web applications in the Debian system. | 23:40 |
| TheLordOfTime | lrn2read? | 23:40 |
| penguin42 | sigh, ok | 23:40 |
| TheLordOfTime | (sorry if i come off as an ass, i'm slightly under the weather, it's not intended) | 23:40 |
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| TheLordOfTime | penguin42, the one time i get to tell someone from Apache off, though, was quoting the exact policy on the debian bug xD | 23:40 |
| penguin42 | TheLordOfTime: The thing is that's also insecure, it means that the default setup is to serve the things including things like changelog etc so you can see package version | 23:41 |
| TheLordOfTime | (note: Debian BTS and iMail's mail formatting don't play nice) | 23:41 |
| TheLordOfTime | penguin42, true, which was a concern | 23:41 |
| TheLordOfTime | penguin42, however, this could also be fixed by /var/www symlinking to the file source | 23:41 |
| penguin42 | TheLordOfTime: And you don't want people screwing around with files in /usr/share/doc which will break next time the package gets updated | 23:41 |
| TheLordOfTime | but until Debian policy is changed i don't think nginx is going to be changing things | 23:41 |
| TheLordOfTime | penguin42, that's for the default config... | 23:41 |
| TheLordOfTime | all default configs are designed as examples | 23:41 |
| TheLordOfTime | not "Serve from here" things | 23:42 |
| TheLordOfTime | most SANE sysadmins write their own directives and different docroot locations | 23:42 |
| * TheLordOfTime shrugs | 23:42 | |
| TheLordOfTime | penguin42, still, i find it interesting Debian Policy and APache disagree | 23:42 |
| TheLordOfTime | but i do see your security observation there | 23:42 |
| TheLordOfTime | (if nginx has an MIR and the security team notices that i may bring it up) | 23:43 |
| penguin42 | TheLordOfTime: Yeh I suppose everyone does do their own config - I suppose I was thinking about the simplistic cases | 23:43 |
| TheLordOfTime | penguin42, you mean the people that want everything to "just work"... right? | 23:43 |
| TheLordOfTime | the people who are ignorant to the intricacies of sysadminning :P | 23:43 |
| penguin42 | TheLordOfTime: Yeh, like if you just want a simple little internal webserver - not a full serving critical stuff | 23:44 |
| TheLordOfTime | mhm | 23:44 |
| TheLordOfTime | penguin42, but there's a difference between "make it work" and sane, IT-security-common-sense configurations | 23:45 |
| penguin42 | yeh | 23:45 |
| TheLordOfTime | a good sysadmin knows how to configure things. | 23:45 |
| TheLordOfTime | ... hmmm, do we even have /var/www in a default setup? | 23:45 |
| penguin42 | shrug, don't know | 23:45 |
| * TheLordOfTime pokes -server because the server team would know | 23:46 | |
| penguin42 | TheLordOfTime: I'd point it to a subdir of /usr/share/doc/nginx - e.g. /usr/share/doc/nginx/default-doc-root or something like that | 23:46 |
| TheLordOfTime | penguin42, however nginx does it they'll do it | 23:46 |
| TheLordOfTime | i think there's suggestion to have an /html folder inside /usr/share/doc/nginx | 23:46 |
| penguin42 | nod | 23:46 |
| TheLordOfTime | at least, drifting around | 23:46 |
| penguin42 | that would make sense | 23:46 |
| TheLordOfTime | root /usr/share/nginx/html; <-- default config | 23:47 |
| TheLordOfTime | well... | 23:47 |
| TheLordOfTime | default config as of 1.4.3 | 23:47 |
| TheLordOfTime | i haven't packaged 1.4.4 from Debian yet | 23:47 |
| TheLordOfTime | although that would be the same, the change hasn't popped up until after 1.4.4 | 23:47 |
| TheLordOfTime | so it'll be in 1.4.4-somenumber or 1.4.5 | 23:47 |
| * TheLordOfTime shrugs | 23:47 | |
| penguin42 | TheLordOfTime: Do you do things like add selinux rules for it? | 23:48 |
| TheLordOfTime | I personally don't. | 23:48 |
| * TheLordOfTime isn't maintainer | 23:48 | |
| TheLordOfTime | that'd have been done by the maintainers before me | 23:48 |
| TheLordOfTime | if there's SEL rules for it, they're drifting around somewhere, or just not in the debian packages | 23:48 |
| TheLordOfTime | probably be in the centos repos though | 23:48 |
| penguin42 | sorry, I actually meant apparmour | 23:49 |
| TheLordOfTime | i don't think there's any rules for that | 23:49 |
| TheLordOfTime | but i only run basic-needed features, lock down everything else in the nginx config | 23:49 |
| * TheLordOfTime yawns | 23:49 | |
| TheLordOfTime | bleh coffee time again... | 23:49 |
| TheLordOfTime | penguin42, it shouldn't be too hard to generate an apparmor profile though | 23:56 |
| * TheLordOfTime shrugs | 23:56 | |
| TheLordOfTime | never tried it, maybe i'll mess with it on my testing system | 23:56 |
| penguin42 | TheLordOfTime: Probably best not to enable by default (because it complicates setup) but might be useful to ship disabled | 23:57 |
| TheLordOfTime | mhm | 23:57 |
| TheLordOfTime | penguin42, i don't know if there's any default profiles made available, i could find out but i don't see one anywhere | 23:57 |
| TheLordOfTime | penguin42, remind me where the apparmor profile(s) would exist in a pacage? | 23:58 |
| TheLordOfTime | package* | 23:58 |
| TheLordOfTime | woahhhh | 23:58 |
| TheLordOfTime | one of my EC2s has 150+ updates o.O | 23:58 |
| TheLordOfTime | i guess unattended-updates isn't doing its job | 23:58 |
| penguin42 | somewhere under /etc/apparmor.d I think | 23:59 |
| TheLordOfTime | WORK YOU STUPID PIECE OF... | 23:59 |
| * TheLordOfTime grumbles at his ec2 | 23:59 | |
| TheLordOfTime | it's hung up on downloading a bzip2 index with apt >.> | 23:59 |
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