[00:01] fdisk -l does not do anything. [00:01] spiritech: As root [00:01] spiritech: fdisk -l only lists stuff as root [00:01] spiritech: blkid /dev/sda1 for example also shows the UUID [00:02] udisksctl dump is also an interesting way but it tells you LOADS of stuff [00:06] it says the id for /dev/sdc1 is c is that normal? [00:06] no [00:06] hmm [00:06] uuid's are great bind long numbers [00:07] it si set up as a bootable device [00:07] sdd1 says id 83 [00:07] says where? [00:07] oh, that's a partitation type number, not the id [00:07] spiritech: are you just running "sudo blkid" ? [00:08] spiritech: That's the fdisk -l Id column, that just tells you the type of partition [00:09] my out put from sudo fdisk -l here -> http://www.pasteall.org/47594/text === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [00:10] yeh it doesn't tell you much useful - that just tells you partition sizes/types [00:11] sudo blkid /dev/sdd1 works and gave me long uuid number. [00:11] right and that should be in /dev/disk/by-uuid [00:12] so that uuid never changes. even if the device is plugged in later and given a different /dev/sdb thing. [00:12] correct [00:12] so /dev/disk/by-uuid will always find that device? [00:13] if plugged in [00:13] spiritech: normally yes (I've seen it not work for some internal sata drives but that's a separate story) - but for things like usb drives it's always good [00:13] spiritech: You'll see it's just a symlink - and udisks sets that up for you automatically [00:13] ok. well thats cool. [00:15] i have an old theme called azenis. have put it into a .icon and .theme folder at ~/... and the tweak tool still does not find it. [00:15] any suggestions? [00:16] probably doesn't support gtk3? [00:17] it is an old gtk and metacity-1 theme. it was working on 13.04. and have seen other themes if the same format working. [00:17] gtk2 [00:18] how many .folders should i have for themes in my home folder 2 or 3? [00:19] ~/.icon ~/.theme should there be another? [00:20] anyway does not matter that much. thanks for your help again. [00:23] unity top panel would so much better if it was transparent by default. the dull grey black really lets it down. [00:24] its like. heres a beautiful modern side panel, and then heres a nice, old and dull looking panel at the top for you. [00:42] so going back to the device subject. does /media/username/corsair8gb simply point to /dev/disk/by-uuid soooo corsair8gb = /dev/disk/by-uuid somewhere in the system? [00:44] penguin42 [00:44] ? [00:44] going back to the device subject. does /media/username/corsair8gb simply point to /dev/disk/by-uuid soooo corsair8gb = /dev/disk/by-uuid somewhere in the system? [00:44] no, the /media/username/corsair8gb is a mountpoint, not the device [00:45] so how does the computer know where corsair8gb is? [00:45] spiritech: Do you understand unix/linux mounts? [00:45] it seems no. [00:46] not [00:46] spiritech: OK, so the /dev/ stuff is raw blocks - that's like gives me the bytes at this place on the partition - it's not files/directories etc - that's what your filesystem does [00:47] alll i am saying is the device is not really corsair8gb. it is really an address yes. [00:47] ? [00:47] spiritech: When you 'mount' something you associate a directory (lets say /media/username/corsair8gb) with a block device (say /dev/sdd1) and tell the filesystem to present that block devices contents under that directory [00:49] and how does it do that. is there anywhere i can read about it maybe. cos i always thought that some kind of variable goes on to turn the actual device address into a human readable name? [00:51] like /media/username/corsair8gb is just a variable for 16537652615/185761547512475/12365761571527625 [00:51] no [00:51] or am i not understanding things correctly. [00:52] spiritech: There's two different parts to it; the act of 'mounting' and where you mount it, the name 'corsair8gb' is just reading a string that's probably a label stored somewhere on the filesystem [00:52] ok. i see. [00:52] spiritech: Just like the uuid is a magic id stored somewhere on the filesystem but isn't designed to be user readable [00:52] *nod* FAT volume label [00:52] * daftykins has a 'corsair16gb' :> [00:52] the addressing is another part of it then? [00:53] spiritech: Thing is there are lots of different places names might be stored, e.g. if it's formatted one way or another, and things like blkid and udisks figure that all out and come up with the name that they use when they automatically mount stuff for you - but in the end you can manually put it whereever you like (as per fstab) [00:54] ok. i undersatnd that . and suppose i am on a diff subject now. [00:55] like how linux dials the device it wants to send info to. [00:55] sorry, don't quite get you [00:56] doesnt everything in a computer need to be dialled. [00:56] to send the information to the right place? [00:56] sorry I don't know what you mean by 'dialled' [00:58] well how does the computer know where to send the info that it has. like send this info to usb port 1. doesnt each component have an address? [00:59] as well as the ram and other things like hdd . [00:59] oh it's way more complex than that these days - layers on top of layers on top of layers [01:00] thats what i thought was at the base of all of it. send this bunch of 1's and 0' to this address. [01:00] no, that's so far down the food chain nothing at this level really thinks aboutit [01:01] yes. although its till there tho. [01:01] spiritech: Think about it like this; that file you stored? It's a file on top of a VFAT filesystem where the blocks are stored on a SCSI device, that's actually on USB connected via two or three levels of USB hub back to one of one or two USB host controllers on a PCIe bus somewhere on your PC [01:02] spiritech: each one of those things is a layer of code that tries not to care about the layers below it and the layers above it (except some perf tweaks) [01:04] :D [01:05] yes. and the file was still sent in binary form. either on or off. the layers just make sure that those 1's and 0's make sense on both ends. [01:06] spiritech: but they hide it from each other and it's all protocol now - it's not like it's at different individual addresses, there are addresses and things at each layer [01:06] which brings me to another question. does the file get sent to ram before it gets sent to the usb device or does it go direct? [01:06] oh via a few layers in ram [01:07] normally [01:08] also i agree the layers hide all the work and make things a lot simpler. although its those layers i am interested in dissecting and understanding a little further. [01:09] after all. what would gorillas be without ants? [01:09] lol [01:10] relaxed and not confused as hell about why their fir is twitching? [01:10] lol [01:10] or whales without plankton then. [01:12] bed! [01:12] anyway i suppose i should really google more on this subject. as i feel our subject has become more about stuff other than ubuntu [01:13] or penguin42 without bed. indeed. [01:14] well thanks again for yours help. :) [07:10] morning all [07:38] day off today \o/ [07:39] and you're up this early on here? [07:39] giving wife a lie in [07:39] feeding baby [07:39] ah lovely :) [07:39] duty calls [08:19] Amazon has Black Friday deals week this week, they've got a Crucial 2.5-inch 240GB Internal Solid State Drive on at 10.30 if anyone is interested === iahmad is now known as iahmad|afk [08:20] noice [08:20] I have no idea if it's good or not, and no I'm not an Amazon lackey [08:21] just thought someone might be interested and value a reminder that they have such a thing [08:21] Myrtti: 10.30? [08:21] in two hours [08:21] and 8 minutes [08:21] ah get you [08:22] Windows 8 Pro Upgrade edition is 45 pounds there now [08:22] i bought that when it was £25 :) [08:23] as did I, useful for games and other things which don't yet run on linux (Bitcasa, for one) [08:27] photoshop and lightroom for me [08:27] I feel silly, I go all "eeeekkkk what a lovely bag" sometimes and I surprise myself with it [08:28] although [08:28] this happens usualy with only laptop bags [08:28] Good morning peeps :) [08:28] Myrtti: i took my wife shopping and we went to a bag shop, cheapest handbag was £90 :S [08:29] MooDoo: zoink [08:29] Myrtti: radley, i think was the name of them [08:48] There are some very well designed laptop rucsacks available. I have to stop myself buying them. [08:49] morning d [08:49] allo allo [08:49] hello SuperMatt dwatkins [08:50] I have black tea, although apparently earl grey is supposed to be without milk - good job, as I have none [08:52] dwatkins: yes it is [08:53] though tbh, who cares? just have it the way you like it [08:53] earl grey tastes grim with milk [08:53] the only senses we have are our own, so there's no point trying to spend your life pleasing other people's senses [08:56] indeed, being lactose-intolerant (it makes me ill, not annoyed) I have to buy my own milk at work, and I ran out. [08:57] doh [08:59] Mornall all [09:00] morning [09:01] tautalogical on purpose? [09:02] Mornalling? [09:03] tautalogical, SuperMatt? [09:04] mornall all [09:04] two alls [09:04] tautology is using multiple similar words twice [09:04] meaning one of them is redundant === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [09:06] dwatkins: all UHT milk in Finland is low-lactose, you can imagine my face when I realised such is not the case in UK [09:19] Myrtti: interesting, I wish that were the case here. Going out for dinner is a nightmare as so much stuff has cream in it, too. [09:20] dwatkins: many Finns are at bare minimum selfdiagnosed lactoseintolerants so lot of the food is lowlactose/lactose free by default [09:20] and it is usually marked in the menus [09:21] Yay, I've been given an RMA number for my OCZ SSD === iahmad|afk is now known as iahmad [09:25] bigcalm, i swapped an OCZ SSD out of my dad's PC yesterday [09:25] directhex: was it deaded? [09:28] it's SSD season.. aq's, yours, ... [09:28] Amazon's deal comes at the right moment ;) [09:28] bigcalm, kept disappearing from the bus [09:28] directhex: that's just what mine did before going completely [09:29] Over a few months [09:29] SSD deal? [09:29] Power off and back on usually fixed it [09:29] Laney: 240gb deal, black friday it's a crucial drive [09:29] going on sale 10:30 or so Myrtti sais [09:29] said [09:30] ah, one of those things [09:40] hmm, i dont see any SSD in the black friday page [09:40] is it personalised? [09:40] Good morning all; happy Parfait Day! :-D [09:40] popey: lightning deals [09:41] popey: upcomming bit [09:41] popey: few clicks to the right (depending upon how wide your browser window is) [09:41] aha [09:42] deal starts at 10:30 [09:43] I "need" a bigger one really. [09:43] My laptop has 2x240GB SSD already [09:43] will wait for the 500G ones to come down a bit [09:46] watched http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01f13f4/The_Man_who_Discovered_Egypt/ last night. enjoyed it... [09:47] popey: I watched that too. Very interesting - had never heard of the bloke before. [09:47] yeah, me either [09:47] tweeted the guy who made it last night to say thanks [09:49] how do other people organise stationery on their desk. Mine is a mess, stickers, staplers, hole punchers, pens, usb sticks headsets etc. do people have them in boxes? or pencil cases? or what do you do ? [09:50] interesting word "organise"... [09:50] indeed [09:50] jussi, filing cabinet, alphabetical ordering! [09:50] I just throw stuff onto my desk until I can't see the wood. Then decide I need to tiday. [09:51] *tidy [09:51] TheOpenSourcerer: that is the current strategy. it sucks. [09:51] I do the same as TheOpenSourcerer except the last part [09:51] My desk at home is nearing its annual tidy up... [09:52] I've managed somehow to keep my office desk amazingly clear, but then I don't use much paper and only keep one pen on it [09:52] i use old mugs to put stuff in [09:52] i have a mug of euros, a mug of GBP, one for pens, one for screwdrivers [09:52] and a mug of tea ☻ [09:53] popey: are you having your image [the one of you stroking a cat] put on a mug, I'd buy it lol [09:53] popey is blofeld? [09:54] what, like this? http://imgur.com/Cpkj6D3,UswfyC4,YY4aSHL,IiFscKE,Iv9QnVB [09:56] cute kitty [09:56] the one of you at vUDS - https://plus.google.com/u/0/+AlanPope/photos/photo/5947973727567261394 ;) [09:58] heh [09:58] one way for you to make a few quid alan :) [09:58] We are over 60% of the way there: http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/a-raspberry-pi-build-cluster-for-ubuntu :-D [09:59] TheOpenSourcerer: just shared it out again. [10:00] jussi: that said, yes I do have some little plastic boxes [10:02] good morning everyone. [10:04] Yes. Good morning. [10:04] brobostigon: morning [10:07] morning [10:07] http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/x-series/x140e cute [10:07] good for schoolkids [10:07] and has touchpoint so yay [10:08] popey: nice! [10:09] I like that schoolkids are described as "more demanding" than the military [10:09] morning MooDoo and bashrc [10:09] i.e. they bash it harder [10:13] aloha [10:16] Have been messing with a Beaglebone Black. Debian installs quite easily onto it. [10:16] diddledan: hehe, probably true... [10:19] hello czajkowski how are you ? [10:20] well that was a fun 10 mins [10:20] m [10:20] hmhmmh [10:20] who works in the canonical london office? :o [10:20] postman handed over post then said "ooh, Ubuntu!" after seeing my t-shirt [10:21] chatting about linux on the doorstep with the postie ☻ [10:21] .. the world is changing :) [10:21] "2014 is the year of linux on the doorstep." [10:21] did you give him a disk ;) [10:21] popey: awesome [10:22] :) [10:22] speaking of which, I don't actually have any ubuntu aparell [10:22] nah, he already has it [10:25] diddledan: you need to get on the store quick sharpish ;) [10:25] czajkowski: Shame about yesterday wasn't it? [10:26] TheOpenSourcerer: she's almost geeling sorry for the english in the rugby world cup as well ;) [10:27] TheOpenSourcerer: well lets see how England does and will they almost beat the Kiwis [10:30] Some of us have little expectation, although we have, at least, beaten them several times in the last 100 years ;-) [10:30] such a cheeky old sod TheOpenSourcerer :) [10:31] ;-) [10:31] hmm I have an very odd bug on 13.10 which I know exists but cannot for the life of me report it via abug [10:31] gone down to £95 that 240gb ssd on amazon [10:31] :-* [10:31] http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00BQ8RM1A/ref=gb1h_img_c-1_8827_eca2d0da?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_s=center-1&pf_rd_r=0M18WASEEBB95G8V025C&pf_rd_i=161428031&pf_rd_p=449478827 [10:31] when I shut down the machine it flipping well restarts [10:31] but not every time [10:31] ignore that link [10:32] hrm, ideapad yoga 11s looks an interesting machine... [10:34] ie. http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/ideapad/yoga/yoga-11s/ [10:35] although crappy screen is crappy [10:36] updated nexus 7 to 4.4 OTA, seemed to work okay [10:38] think i'm gona go back to a 11inch mac air and dual boot it :/ [10:40] Yay. Samsung SSD has arrived for my Wife's laptop [10:41] * popey notes bigcalm isn't getting bored of using "my wife" yet [10:41] :D [10:41] was that ssd deal any good? [10:41] Myrtti: took it down to about £95 [10:42] I have no idea if it's a good price or a good device at al [10:42] l [10:42] popey: without the quotes, that sentence is quite quite different [10:44] it has 15 mins left on that deal [10:46] Which deal? [10:47] who is it here that works at Queen Mary's? [10:47] bigcalm: cheap SSD black friday deal on amazon [10:48] There's 2h 41m remaining on that [10:51] Is ubuntu uk having a virtual christmas party? ;) over google hangouts? ;) [10:51] Can I justify 96 quid on an SSD I'm unlikely to use any time soon? [10:52] bigcalm: no [10:52] MooDoo: thank you :) [10:52] bigcalm: yw! [10:53] * bigcalm closes the window [10:54] but how much would I pay for the Olympus camera coming up in a few mins? [10:54] bigcalm: :) [10:55] Anyone got experience using the nvidia NVS 5400M discrete graphics card? [10:58] TwistedLucidity: I've fot the 3100M it's not 100% the same, but what's your problem? [10:58] Appaling performance (about 1/10th of the integrated Intel). Is this normal? [10:59] TwistedLucidity: Is this with the Nvidia closed source driver? [10:59] penguin24: And Bumblee (I have the correct closed source variant); yes [11:00] Am I right in thinking that one shouldn't run Windows XP from an SSD? [11:00] TwistedLucidity: Hmm I'd expect it to be really fast [11:00] bigcalm: Or een at all [11:00] hmm, that Olympus is #105 - not quite low enough to make me jump at it, not too bad [11:00] penguin24: Even if I boot into Windows 7 the card stinks. nvidia told me it is only for applications can can't do 3D acceleration. [11:01] Oh my key between c and b doesn't work [11:01] bigcalm: xp doesn't support trim, so i suspect it's only the lifespan effected. [11:01] That's why this keyboard was in a cupboard [11:01] TwistedLucidity: That's a bizarre thing to say [11:01] Rory: vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv keep those to one side for when you need them [11:01] popey: I'll contact you again if I use them up, thanks [11:01] np [11:01] TwistedLucidity: what machine is this on? [11:01] Lenovo ThinkPad T430 [11:02] popey: I'd paste them off to the side... [11:02] I'd print them out and scan them in when you need them [11:02] penguin42: And in Windows, the "Windows Experience" drops from 4.9 to 2.0. I am beginning to wonder if the machine has a fault. [11:02] MooDoo: that's what I thought [11:02] TwistedLucidity: Hmm I've only used the w520 in the past - but it is normally the Nvidia is supposed to be faster [11:03] bigcalm: it'll still work though [11:03] TwistedLucidity: I'd check the bios is up to date - the thinkpad bioses can be a bit random; and you've got it set on 'discrete' rather than optimus? And you've got the correct powerbrick plugged in? [11:04] MooDoo: just not for very long :) [11:04] penguin42: Yup, on mains power, latest drivers (Windows and Kubuntu). If I try "discrete graphics" in the BIOS the laptop crawls. [11:04] Morning all [11:04] TwistedLucidity: I agree that's weird [11:05] davmor2: morning [11:05] penguin42: Thanks, I'll keep trying to get in contact with Lenovo; might have to try and make a warranty claim I guess. [11:06] I wasn't expecting quad GPU, SLI mega-performance; but from the 3D mark I did expect the NVS 5400M to be about twice as fast as the Intel HD 4000 [11:07] TwistedLucidity: As I say, I would try the bios first [11:07] The other odd thing (on Windows) is that it won't let me select the graphics card. [11:07] penguin42: I'll check that again at lunch. Maybe I missed an update. [11:08] Holidays == E:TOO_MANY_EMAILS [11:09] davmor2: +++ [11:09] Laney: hey dude did you get a markus in the end? [11:10] Or did you go for a standing desk instead? [11:10] davmor2: yeah, sure did [11:10] enjoying it very much so far [11:10] Laney: Yay community rocks at recommending chairs [11:10] I like being able to recline [11:11] standing desk will be at next place I think, only just got this one [11:12] they do have an office chair on sale soonish too [11:12] well, after noon [11:12] * czajkowski hugs davmor2 [11:12] 12.30 [11:12] http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B005F3VGDW/ [11:12] czajkowski: get off me you don't know where I've been woman :D [11:14] * Laney gets an email about a DD being switched to $newcurrentaccount [11:14] this switching service seems to basically work [11:14] davmor2: cuddlying a pug :) [11:15] anyone get to the bottom of chrome's sudden jump in resource requirements? [11:16] czajkowski: bash is the pug not me honest :P [11:16] mungbean: it hates you [11:16] bangers and bash [11:17] mungbean: if it's chrome it might be their implementation of flash [11:17] I hadn't noticed any change in requirements for chrome [11:17] davmor2: is czajkowski being nice? eewwwwww [11:17] mungbean: you might find that ad blocking is now disabled too, possibly [11:18] mungbean: hasn't it *always* eaten everything you've got [11:18] MooDoo: I know right it's scary, all because she has a pug, that you wouldn't know about because g+, facebook and twitter just don't give it away :D [11:19] czajkowski: I'm looking at you for the last comment grrrrrrr embedded pictures ;) [11:20] suddenly its a lot worse for mem and making my fan go crazy [11:20] davmor2: but he's so cute! [11:20] davmor2: I don't know czajkowski gets this new job and takes advantage....she needs to stab you and qucik sharpish! [11:20] few others were complaining the same day [11:21] also if anyone would like to learn about MongoDB, there is a free class on it over the coming weeks, self paced and you get acert at the end of it . https://education.mongodb.com/courses/10gen/M101P/2013_November/about [11:22] well that's a cool idea. [11:22] well it was until I saw the requirements, I'm not a programmer :) [11:23] czajkowski: have you ever heard the term pug ugly :P I'll just leave that comment there and move on /me sits on the naughty step sniggering on a more serious note he did look quite smug in Jons arms :D [11:23] MooDoo: self paced why not try :) [11:23] davmor2: sit there and be quiet you [11:23] also socks are not safe neither are shoe laces from Bash :) [11:23] MooDoo: and that's how you get czajkowski back to normal :) [11:25] czajkowski: ok i've signed up :) [11:25] czajkowski: that's just pupies but you need to stop him doing that, I recommend a toy on a stick [11:26] he has toys, and also taken to dragging his bed from one room to the next. [11:27] for a tiny thing he's strong, although need to get his nails trimmed as they clawed me last night when giving him cough stuff [11:31] czajkowski: you don't clip puppie claws you need to wait till they are 6 months before you start clipping iirc look it up though [11:31] :( [11:31] I prefer kitties :-) [11:33] czajkowski: iirc it's something to do with the nail bed not being fully formed so you can clip it too short which can in turn infect the nail bed or something like that [11:34] I prefer tahr's [11:34] MooDoo: trusty ones? [11:36] MartijnVdS: depends if you get to know them well ;) [11:49] davmor2: interesting [11:51] MooDoo: I prefer wee timorous beasties with big pointy teeth, it helps if you have a holy hand grenade knocking around for that though :) [11:53] davmor2: oh now you're just giving me the spanish inquisition [11:53] http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1150486273/snooperscope-night-vision-for-your-smartphone-ipho?ref=email [11:53] popey, night vision for you [11:53] 15 left inthe early bird [11:53] MooDoo: Ni [11:53] ..r webcam [11:56] ah, it uses an app to send wirelessly [12:02] lol http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1961548517/all-new-adventures-of-morph-from-aardman-animation [12:06] mungbean: You had to go for one of the rather high end packages to get a morph, which I thought was mean [12:28] I like that they had chaz boot morph up the .. at the end [12:28] the video [12:28] that was actually a really good kickstarter video [12:33] well, it is their business [12:34] true [12:40] I'm sure they could have got the money going to a bank or the like, but it would have cost them more - I guess this is probably costing them what #4k or so? [12:40] http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/502701513/foldio-the-1st-foldable-studio-for-smartphone <-- considering [12:41] not getting a jolla device? [12:41] mmm? [12:41] sorry, unrelated to that [12:42] thats very cool [12:42] oh, probably nearer #10k I guess, kickstarter fees [12:58] penguin42: Looks like you might have been on to something, my current BIOS version is 2.53, the most recent is 2.59. Trying to find detailed change logs to see if any of them fixed nvidia issues. [12:58] TwistedLucidity: Oh I wouldn't bet on the change logs [12:58] "Usually dispatched within 2 to 4 weeks. [12:58] oops [12:58] TwistedLucidity: I used to work in an office with a load of people with w520's - we had about 5 different bios versions and they each had their own quirks, but the newest was best generally === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [13:30] penguin24: Before I make the situation any worse I decided to invoke the warranty. If this card can be made to perform as I expect, this will be an awesome lappy. [13:45] New BIOS going in...fingers crossed. I see an evening of fun an games with updates ahead of me! :-S [13:45] http://zed0.co.uk/crossword/ [13:45] have we all played this yet? [13:52] I have [13:52] penguin42: Fixed it. You'll never guess what it was. [13:54] penguin42: Someone (not me) had applied the airplane seat power plan. Sauerbraten now thumps along at ~400fps. [13:54] Cheers for the help! [13:55] how does that affect ubuntu? [14:13] TwistedLucidity: Ah right - yeh so that's why I asked if you had the PSU in [14:13] SuperMatt: took me a few moments to work out what the heck was giong on [14:14] I did - but the "Airplane " setting seems to impose itself. I'll have to have a fiddle with the power management - clearly it arrived in a slightly cocked manner. What was odd though it that the setting affected Windows and Kubuntu. [14:14] it's truly shocking though when you do [14:14] diddledan: Buggered if I know. [14:15] diddledan: Some kind of NVRAM setting? [14:17] diddledan: I think it's a power-limit imposed to limit the required PSU size [14:18] czajkowski - thanks for the mongoDB link :) [14:21] Anyone in Leeds want to go to this tomorrow? http://www.leedsdevops.org.uk/post/67145731550/meetup-tuesday-26th-november-2013-at-the-central [14:26] Whatever way it works, I'm just happy it works! Means I need to keep the Windows partition for some games, but I guess I can bear that until things improve [14:27] also czajkowski - there's a DBA course for sysadmins i guess - https://education.mongodb.com/courses/10gen/M102/2013_December/about === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [14:38] How come this doesn't compile? I seem to have messed something up with the initialiser list.. http://ideone.com/9554Kr [14:39] arsen: yup but not started yet [14:40] yeah i registered my interest, may as well! [14:40] Oh never mind I didn't realise I had to write a default constructor [14:43] Am I allowed to use this in an initialiser list like that? [14:44] Ooopss sorry every spamming the wrong channel :( [14:44] for those in Edinburgh http://www.meetup.com/MongoDB-Edinburgh/events/152065532/ === dackjaniels is now known as Guest22247 [14:51] gilmore girls is the worst programme ever... [14:51] i think i hate it as much as eastenders [14:52]