[00:10] maybe [00:28] a cat with allergies sounds funny. i'm sorry. [00:34] No worries. She's our special little exception [00:37] :) [00:37] it's 20 out. ooof. [02:09] looked through a dell catalog at my inlaws. i hadno idea their tablets are x86 atom based. I would like to get one and try ubuntu on it. What do ya'll think? [02:10] very interested in it with the dual app screen business, but not sure it's far enough along yet. [02:18] Hm, I probably shouldn't have an extension .jason should I? :) [02:19] lol [05:44] buddy: "Do you think ADD exists?" [05:44] [05:45] me: so what brought up the ADD question? [05:45] buddy: "Random side tangent on Reddit in an unrelated thread." [12:46] Good morning [12:46] greg-g: hah [12:48] morning [13:02] rick_h_: Time to switch to Django! http://mindref.blogspot.com/2012/10/python-web-pep8-consistency.html [13:03] heh, they must have had a refactoring in the last year [13:03] last time I went in there I about had a fit and rolled on the floor for a while [13:03] Didn't this come up when you interviewed Pyramid guy? [13:04] pep8? yea. [13:04] the debate is consistancy over making the move [13:04] until you decide to go all pep8, you have to match the rules of the problem. So it just builds on itself over time [13:04] What did he ignore? Was it line length? [13:05] oh a few things I'm sure. I don't recall we went down the list [13:06] I think line length was one. I found it extra amusing because of the PyOhio conversations [13:09] Pyramid fares much better on http://mindref.blogspot.com/2012/11/python-web-excessive-complexity.html [13:09] meh, those blog posts are all just that wheezy guy trying to point out this his stuff is cool [13:10] wish him luck on gaining traction or whatever, but he's just about doing charts that show wheezy at the low end [13:18] Question: why is an article from 2012 showing up on the planet in 2013? :) [13:19] Also: Full Text Feeds are A+. Let's do more of those. [13:24] rick_h_: I've never heard of wheezy [13:25] brousch: He's the dwarf that never calls and never writes. [13:25] cmaloney: Old feeds popping up is usually due to someone touching their blog platform in a way that resets their RSS feed [13:25] brousch: I know. Just being a dork. [13:26] Speaking of dorks, did you play Ogre yet? [13:27] No. I have to figure out where to put the damn thing first. [13:27] I think we're also going to have an Ogre assembly party. [13:28] This is the one item that really cemented that I have a kickstarter problem. :) [13:28] But to my defense it was one of my early kickstarters [13:29] I have curbed my kickstarter habit by only looking at ones that other people have mentioned. Do not search the site yourself [13:29] No, that would be bad. [13:53] Question of the day http://stackoverflow.com/questions/20192246/is-there-a-java-replacement-for-kivy [14:56] rick_h_, still no kitkat. :-/ [14:56] jcastro: :( [15:05] I'm kind of meh about kitkat anyway [15:05] I mean, there's nothing really big in it afaict [15:06] jcastro: yea, I was curious how it was on a N4 [15:06] you got it on your X right? [15:06] honestly, not a lot to see or notice. Even the 'improved battery life' is meh [15:06] maybe a few percent? [15:06] yea [15:06] yeah [15:06] at the end of the day they can't fix my phone running java [15:06] :p [15:06] and really, the only thing to see is the grey icons a bit. [15:07] I might get a Moto G in Jan though, to free up the N4 for ubuntu [15:08] why not get a N5? [15:08] and tbh, the sculpted look of the moto you have is just too awesome to ignore [15:08] I don't really see the justification to spend that much tbh' [15:08] yea, I do <3 the feel. I checked out waf's N5 and honestly I'm really happy with the size and hand feel of the X [15:08] though I want to put it in a case because of the $$, but then I lose the awesome feel so I'm running free [15:09] these days I am finding hard to justify the price for the top tier phones [15:09] I really don't care that much [15:09] it'd be nice to go mid-tier for a while [15:09] yea, I got the wife a droid mini and just let it be [15:09] she's happy [15:09] at $179 full price though for the G [15:09] that's pretty much epic [15:10] the hw is basically N4ish [15:10] yea, I want to see one [15:10] and the N4 is still no slouch [15:11] heh, and I see the DE motox went down $100 [15:11] oh well [15:13] http://www.androidcentral.com/motorola-offer-factory-images-developer-editions-not-void-warranties made me happy though [15:13] yeah that is awesome [15:14] so basically, the need for your phone goes away [15:14] I wonder if the motorola guys are like "let's be better nexuses than Nexuses" [15:14] That's a motto I can get behind [15:14] sure seems like it atm [15:14] and on verizon to boot [15:15] we'll see when the next os update comes around what happens [15:15] that'll be the true test [15:17] I'm happy with my S3 [15:18] Fast and clean with Cyanogenmod. Android 4.3.1 [15:23] Ug. Blizzard outside [15:23] there's a bit of snow on the ground here [15:23] but nothing major [15:33] yea, just cold here [15:33] might have to change out of the shorts :P [17:31] cmaloney: Ogre assembly party? will the Ogre from Skinny Puppy be there? [17:31] I wish [18:08] My hands ache from the cold. It's a pleasant 43F in Portland [19:24] rick_h_, are you on wordpress.com or do you host your own? [19:24] jcastro: wordpress.com [19:25] jcastro: I've given up hosting my own [19:25] OMG [19:25] cmaloney, you run self hosted wordpress! [19:25] Where's your Pyramid-based blogging platform? [19:25] I need a guinea pig [19:26] http://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/how-to-integrate-your-blog-with-this-site/1266 [19:26] brousch: man bookie or bust [19:26] Is that competing with Discus then? [19:27] brousch: no, just mean if I'm hacking on something it has to be something in the bookie universe [19:27] too much code not written for me to do anything with a blog/etc [19:27] jcastro: You high? :) [19:28] I mean discourse competing with Disqus [19:28] oh, no at least not directly [19:28] dang, I just need to find one lousy person with wordpress [19:28] but like, tons of people don't self host anymore I guess [19:28] I have it on dreamhost [19:28] wanna try it? [19:29] I self-host, but I'm not sure I'd want someone else moderating my comments. :) [19:29] well, it's more like flagging if someone is acting like an idiot [19:30] I think it makes more sense for a planet.ubuntu blog [19:30] yeah it's just all the ones I can find are self hosted [19:30] but I'm not sure what the benefit is for a little outsider like me. [19:30] and the work-hosted ones will take some time [19:31] So what is Discourse? Replacing Ubuntu forums? [19:31] (I wish) [19:31] I also wish [19:32] Honestly if vBulletin disappeared overnight I'd be happy [19:32] THere's only a handful of forums that I participate in and that number is dwindling [19:33] Discourse is giving me a headache. Too many bright colors [20:27] Apparently there's a new initiative in CC called "Team Open" [20:28] team half-open! [20:28] gonna kick team open's butt! [20:28] cmaloney: it's kind of odd [20:29] but, whatever [20:29] * greg-g doesn't have all the details [20:29] they don't consult me anymore :) [20:29] * greg-g goes to get some lunch and such [22:37] so. comcast increased my bill to over $100. i will call tomorrow and get them to take the services i don't use off. [22:47] huh, interesting: [22:48] "Shotwell's bug tracker has moved to GNOME's Bugzilla: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/browse.cgi?product=shotwell" [22:48] I wonder if that is a good sign or a bad one [22:59] well, its Bugzilla; so probably bad ;) [23:04] heh [23:32] interesting [23:39] wow, you know how people lament about developers that just glue stuff together? [23:39] i just glued this together, and I'm feeling pretty awesome: files.fuqua.io/upload/collab/ [23:39] er, http://files.fuqua.io/upload/collab/#81lkijurf6r [23:39] just glues together ACE editor with mozilla's together.js [23:40] and bam, p2p collaborative code editing [23:42] neat [23:42] :) [23:42] p2p though? [23:42] you're missing webrtc [23:43] webrtc [23:43] ah [23:43] oh well then coolio :) [23:44] yeah, it's just using mozilla's free webrtc hub [23:49] oh wait, i lied. only the audio is over webrtc [23:50] the rest is just streaming websockets