[00:10] <gamerchick02> maybe
[00:28] <gamerchick02> a cat with allergies sounds funny. i'm sorry.
[00:34] <cmaloney> No worries. She's our special little exception
[00:37] <gamerchick02> :)
[00:37] <gamerchick02> it's 20 out. ooof.
[02:09] <jrwren> looked through a dell catalog at my inlaws. i hadno idea their tablets are x86 atom based. I would like to get one and try ubuntu on it. What do ya'll think?
[02:10] <rick_h_> very interested in it with the dual app screen business, but not sure it's far enough along yet.
[02:18] <cmaloney> Hm, I probably shouldn't have an extension .jason should I? :)
[02:19] <rick_h_> lol
[05:44] <greg-g> buddy: "Do you think ADD exists?"
[05:44] <greg-g> <little bit of discussion, we talk about some other things as well>
[05:45] <greg-g> me: so what brought up the ADD question?
[05:45] <greg-g> buddy: "Random side tangent on Reddit in an unrelated thread."
[12:46] <cmaloney> Good morning
[12:46] <cmaloney> greg-g: hah
[12:48] <rick_h_> morning
[13:02] <brousch> rick_h_: Time to switch to Django! http://mindref.blogspot.com/2012/10/python-web-pep8-consistency.html
[13:03] <rick_h_> heh, they must have had a refactoring in the last year
[13:03] <rick_h_> last time I went in there I about had a fit and rolled on the floor for a while
[13:03] <brousch> Didn't this come up when you interviewed Pyramid guy?
[13:04] <rick_h_> pep8? yea.
[13:04] <rick_h_> the debate is consistancy over making the move
[13:04] <rick_h_> until you decide to go all pep8, you have to match the rules of the problem. So it just builds on itself over time
[13:04] <brousch> What did he ignore? Was it line length?
[13:05] <rick_h_> oh a few things I'm sure. I don't recall we went down the list
[13:06] <brousch> I think line length was one. I found it extra amusing because of the PyOhio conversations
[13:09] <brousch> Pyramid fares much better on http://mindref.blogspot.com/2012/11/python-web-excessive-complexity.html
[13:09] <rick_h_> meh, those blog posts are all just that wheezy guy trying to point out this his stuff is cool
[13:10] <rick_h_> wish him luck on gaining traction or whatever, but he's just about doing charts that show wheezy at the low end
[13:18] <cmaloney> Question: why is an article from 2012 showing up on the planet in 2013? :)
[13:19] <cmaloney> Also: Full Text Feeds are A+. Let's do more of those.
[13:24] <brousch> rick_h_: I've never heard of wheezy
[13:25] <cmaloney> brousch: He's the dwarf that never calls and never writes.
[13:25] <brousch> cmaloney: Old feeds popping up is usually due to someone touching their blog platform in a way that resets their RSS feed
[13:25] <cmaloney> brousch: I know. Just being a dork.
[13:26] <brousch> Speaking of dorks, did you play Ogre yet?
[13:27] <cmaloney> No. I have to figure out where to put the damn thing first.
[13:27] <cmaloney> I think we're also going to have an Ogre assembly party.
[13:28] <cmaloney> This is the one item that really cemented that I have a kickstarter problem. :)
[13:28] <cmaloney> But to my defense it was one of my early kickstarters
[13:29] <brousch> I have curbed my kickstarter habit by only looking at ones that other people have mentioned. Do not search the site yourself
[13:29] <cmaloney> No, that would be bad.
[13:53] <brousch> Question of the day http://stackoverflow.com/questions/20192246/is-there-a-java-replacement-for-kivy
[14:56] <jcastro> rick_h_, still no kitkat. :-/
[14:56] <rick_h_> jcastro: :(
[15:05] <jcastro> I'm kind of meh about kitkat anyway
[15:05] <jcastro> I mean, there's nothing really big in it afaict
[15:06] <rick_h_> jcastro: yea, I was curious how it was on a N4
[15:06] <jcastro> you got it on your X right?
[15:06] <rick_h_> honestly, not a lot to see or notice. Even the 'improved battery life' is meh
[15:06] <rick_h_> maybe a few percent?
[15:06] <rick_h_> yea
[15:06] <jcastro> yeah
[15:06] <jcastro> at the end of the day they can't fix my phone running java
[15:06] <jcastro> :p
[15:06] <rick_h_> and really, the only thing to see is the grey icons a bit.
[15:07] <jcastro> I might get a Moto G in Jan though, to free up the N4 for ubuntu
[15:08] <rick_h_> why not get a N5?
[15:08] <jcastro> and tbh, the sculpted look of the moto you have is just too awesome to ignore
[15:08] <jcastro> I don't really see the justification to spend that much tbh'
[15:08] <rick_h_> yea, I do <3 the feel. I checked out waf's N5 and honestly I'm really happy with the size and hand feel of the X
[15:08] <rick_h_> though I want to put it in a case because of the $$, but then I lose the awesome feel so I'm running free
[15:09] <jcastro> these days I am finding hard to justify the price for the top tier phones
[15:09] <jcastro> I really don't care that much
[15:09] <jcastro> it'd be nice to go mid-tier for a while
[15:09] <rick_h_> yea, I got the wife a droid mini and just let it be
[15:09] <rick_h_> she's happy
[15:09] <jcastro> at $179 full price though for the G
[15:09] <jcastro> that's pretty much epic
[15:10] <jcastro> the hw is basically N4ish
[15:10] <rick_h_> yea, I want to see one
[15:10] <jcastro> and the N4 is still no slouch
[15:11] <rick_h_> heh, and I see the DE motox went down $100
[15:11] <rick_h_> oh well
[15:13] <rick_h_> http://www.androidcentral.com/motorola-offer-factory-images-developer-editions-not-void-warranties made me happy though
[15:13] <jcastro> yeah that is awesome
[15:14] <jcastro> so basically, the need for your phone goes away
[15:14] <jcastro> I wonder if the motorola guys are like "let's be better nexuses than Nexuses"
[15:14] <jcastro> That's a motto I can get behind
[15:14] <rick_h_> sure seems like it atm
[15:14] <rick_h_> and on verizon to boot
[15:15] <rick_h_> we'll see when the next os update comes around what happens
[15:15] <rick_h_> that'll be the true test
[15:17] <brousch> I'm happy with my S3
[15:18] <brousch> Fast and clean with Cyanogenmod. Android 4.3.1
[15:23] <brousch> Ug. Blizzard outside
[15:23] <jcastro> there's a bit of snow on the ground here
[15:23] <jcastro> but nothing major
[15:33] <rick_h_> yea, just cold here
[15:33] <rick_h_> might have to change out of the shorts :P
[17:31] <jrwren> cmaloney: Ogre assembly party? will the Ogre from Skinny Puppy be there?
[17:31] <cmaloney> I wish
[18:08] <brousch> My hands ache from the cold. It's a pleasant 43F in Portland
[19:24] <jcastro> rick_h_, are you on wordpress.com or do you host your own?
[19:24] <rick_h_> jcastro: wordpress.com
[19:25] <rick_h_> jcastro: I've given up hosting my own
[19:25] <jcastro> OMG
[19:25] <jcastro> cmaloney, you run self hosted wordpress!
[19:25] <brousch> Where's your Pyramid-based blogging platform?
[19:25] <jcastro> I need a guinea pig
[19:26] <jcastro> http://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/how-to-integrate-your-blog-with-this-site/1266
[19:26] <rick_h_> brousch: man bookie or bust
[19:26] <brousch> Is that competing with Discus then?
[19:27] <rick_h_> brousch: no, just mean if I'm hacking on something it has to be something in the bookie universe
[19:27] <rick_h_> too much code not written for me to do anything with a blog/etc
[19:27] <cmaloney> jcastro: You high? :)
[19:28] <brousch> I mean discourse competing with Disqus
[19:28] <rick_h_> oh, no at least not directly
[19:28] <jcastro> dang, I just need to find one lousy person with wordpress
[19:28] <jcastro> but like, tons of people don't self host anymore I guess
[19:28] <brousch> I have it on dreamhost
[19:28] <jcastro> wanna try it?
[19:29] <cmaloney> I self-host, but I'm not sure I'd want someone else moderating my comments. :)
[19:29] <jcastro> well, it's more like flagging if someone is acting like an idiot
[19:30] <cmaloney> I think it makes more sense for a planet.ubuntu blog
[19:30] <jcastro> yeah it's just all the ones I can find are self hosted
[19:30] <cmaloney> but I'm not sure what the benefit is for a little outsider like me.
[19:30] <jcastro> and the work-hosted ones will take some time
[19:31] <brousch> So what is Discourse? Replacing Ubuntu forums?
[19:31] <cmaloney> (I wish)
[19:31] <jcastro> I also wish
[19:32] <cmaloney> Honestly if vBulletin disappeared overnight I'd be happy
[19:32] <cmaloney> THere's only a handful of forums that I participate in and that number is dwindling
[19:33] <brousch> Discourse is giving me a headache. Too many bright colors
[20:27] <cmaloney> Apparently there's a new initiative in CC called "Team Open"
[20:28] <rick_h_> team half-open!
[20:28] <rick_h_> gonna kick team open's butt!
[20:28] <greg-g> cmaloney: it's kind of odd
[20:29] <greg-g> but, whatever
[20:29]  * greg-g doesn't have all the details
[20:29] <greg-g> they don't consult me anymore :)
[20:29]  * greg-g goes to get some lunch and such
[22:37] <gamerchick02> so. comcast increased my bill to over $100. i will call tomorrow and get them to take the services i don't use off.
[22:47] <greg-g> huh, interesting:
[22:48] <greg-g> "Shotwell's bug tracker has moved to GNOME's Bugzilla: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/browse.cgi?product=shotwell"
[22:48] <greg-g> I wonder if that is a good sign or a bad one
[22:59] <widox> well, its Bugzilla; so probably bad ;)
[23:04] <greg-g> heh
[23:32] <gamerchick02> interesting
[23:39] <waf> wow, you know how people lament about developers that just glue stuff together?
[23:39] <waf> i just glued this together, and I'm feeling pretty awesome: files.fuqua.io/upload/collab/
[23:39] <waf> er, http://files.fuqua.io/upload/collab/#81lkijurf6r
[23:39] <waf> just glues together ACE editor with mozilla's together.js
[23:40] <waf> and bam, p2p collaborative code editing
[23:42] <greg-g> neat
[23:42] <rick_h_> :)
[23:42] <greg-g> p2p though?
[23:42] <rick_h_> you're missing webrtc
[23:43] <waf> webrtc
[23:43] <greg-g> ah
[23:43] <rick_h_> oh well then coolio :)
[23:44] <waf> yeah, it's just using mozilla's free webrtc hub
[23:49] <waf> oh wait, i lied. only the audio is over webrtc
[23:50] <waf> the rest is just streaming websockets