[04:03] <kbmonkey> hiya 0/
[04:24] <kbmonkey> morning
[06:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning
[07:00] <Squirm> morning
[07:06] <inetpro> good morning
[07:07]  * inetpro wonders what happened with kilos
[07:13] <superfly> morning
[07:34] <sakhi> Morning
[07:41] <Kilos> morning superfly and others
[07:41] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[07:42] <superfly> hi Kilos
[07:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning Kilos
[07:47] <Private_User> morning people
[07:48] <Kilos> ohi Private_User hows things
[07:49]  * Kilos apologises for being offline yesterday
[07:49] <Private_User> hi Kilos, things are ok busy doing a memtest on mt desktop
[07:49] <Private_User> *my
[07:50] <Kilos> you can also reseat the ram. sometimes they lose some of their speed and reliability when they been there a long time
[07:50] <Private_User> any idea how long it would take? I tried one yesterday and it came up with errors so I removed and reinserted the ram and no errors so far
[07:51] <Private_User> well it is saying 0 errors
[07:51] <Kilos> often reaseating all plugin modules helps too
[07:51] <Private_User> hopefully my removing and reinserting fixes some of the internals errors I was receiving
[07:51] <Kilos> memtest takes a while, but you have min ram so not too long
[07:53] <Private_User> it seems to be still running but at the bottome of the screen it states "*****Pass complete, no errors, press Esc to exit*****"
[07:53] <Private_User> so not sure if I should wait or just press esc
[07:54] <Kilos> if it is still showing all the different  sectors/blocks or whatever they are called then its not done
[07:55] <Kilos> like if its still counting throegh
[07:55] <Kilos> through
[07:55] <Private_User> ok I will let it continue, its been doing it for about an hour 20min now
[07:59] <Kilos> ya it takes a while
[07:59] <Kilos> you wanna try 1.5g
[08:04] <Private_User> how long does that one take?
[08:05] <Vince-0> ! its Maanday
[08:06] <Kilos> coupla hours Private_User 
[08:06] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[08:08] <Vince-0> Hi Kilos hoe gaan dit met jou
[08:09] <Kilos> goed dankie en self Vince-0 ?
[08:09] <Kilos> bit frustrated at usb stick speeds though
[08:12] <Vince-0> Ek is by die werk en nie so keen nie
[08:12] <Vince-0> USB stick? data transfer speeds usually suck
[08:12] <Vince-0> especially on the cheap ones
[08:18] <nlsthzn> USB-3 ftw?
[08:18] <Kilos> yeah i find it strange though because an external drive in the same place is quite fast
[08:18] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn 
[08:18] <nlsthzn> alo all
[08:19] <Kilos> can you use usb3 on old pcs or is the mobo different
[08:19] <nlsthzn> need the hardware...
[08:20] <Kilos> like an adapter card that goes in pci slot?
[08:23] <Kilos> http://www.amazon.com/StarTech-com-Port-SuperSpeed-Adapter-PCIUSB3S2/dp/B004QNHNUM
[08:25] <Kilos> Maaz, convert 49 USD to ZAR
[08:25] <Maaz> Kilos: That didn't seem to agree with me
[08:25] <Kilos> hmm...
[08:25] <Kilos> not cheap that card
[08:27] <Kilos> hi SmilyBorg-r2 
[08:27] <SmilyBorg-r2> hey there Kilos
[08:28] <Kilos> you winning with the job hunt girl?
[08:37] <Kilos> sjoe Using USB 3.0 devices with this PCI Card will allow data transfer rates at up to 1.3 Gbps,
[08:39] <Kilos> hi bduk1 
[08:43] <Vince-0> SmilyBorg-r2, !
[08:44] <SmilyBorg-r2> nothing useful so far Kilos. Still looking
[08:44] <SmilyBorg-r2> hey Vince-0
[08:56] <Vince-0> work is over rated
[08:59] <Kilos> eating isnt though
[09:02] <Vince-0> *job should I say
[09:03] <inetpro> good morning and wb Kilos
[09:04] <Kilos> good morning inetpro and thank you
[09:05]  * inetpro almost thought he fell off the blue planet
[09:05] <Kilos> lol, no man major work with by project
[09:06] <Kilos> usb2's suck
[09:08] <Vince-0> I ran Ubuntu off a USB2 toshiba 16GB stick once - in the on-board slot on a HP micro server
[09:08] <Vince-0> needless to say it as KAK slow
[09:09] <Kilos> lol, ive tried all the slots, they all slow
[09:12] <Private_User> dude if you hate USB2.0 you should try USB1.0
[09:12] <Private_User> LOL
[09:12] <Kilos> haha
[09:12] <Kilos> ive just overcome my hate for mobile connections
[09:13] <Kilos> started with gprs
[09:13] <Kilos> 9 hr upgrade on old buntu
[09:14] <Kilos> but usb2 is even slower
[09:14] <Kilos> fast net and slow data transfer
[11:19] <zeref> herro
[12:08] <Kilos> Maaz, announce Meeting here tonight at 20.30 peeps. Excuses to be mailed in triplicate before 18.00
[12:08] <Maaz> Hear ye, hear ye! Meeting here tonight at 20.30 peeps. Excuses to be mailed in triplicate before 18.00
[12:08] <Kilos> hi psychicist 
[12:10] <Kilos> hmm... nearly forgot about our meet
[12:12] <Kilos> inetpro, you gonna tell the tweet place?
[12:14] <inetpro> Kilos: hmm
[12:17] <nlsthzn> ah ... I might actually make tonight's meeting...
[12:21] <Kilos> lol
[12:21] <Kilos> thats good nlsthzn 
[12:21] <Kilos> inetpro, i aint got choqok here
[12:23] <inetpro> Kilos: it's been a long time since I posted on there, think I have the password at home but not here
[12:23] <Kilos> np i got it for you
[12:34] <Kilos-> grrr
[12:35] <Kilos-> who is the ubuntu-za-owner@lists.ubuntu.com
[12:35] <Kilos-> it refuses my posts from ms.kilos@gmail.com
[12:38] <inetpro> Kilos-: posted, thanks
[12:38] <inetpro> Kilos-: you have a tail
[12:38] <Kilos-> yw inetpro 
[12:38] <Kilos-> ya for some reason old modem disconnecting today
[12:39] <Kilos-> inetpro, who is the lists owner?
[12:39] <inetpro> Kilos-: I'm not sure
[12:40] <inetpro> but I think it's either drubin or maia or both
[12:40] <Kilos-> i mqiled there last week from ms.kilos but im still not allowed to post
[12:40] <Kilos-> mailed
[12:40] <inetpro> did you subscribe with that address Kilos-?
[12:40] <Kilos-> oh
[12:40] <Kilos-> domdonner
[12:40] <inetpro> ai!
[12:41]  * Kilos- takes back my mail addy from inetpro 
[12:41] <inetpro> it probably tells you that you posted as a non-subscriber
[12:42] <Kilos> You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has
[12:42] <Kilos> been automatically rejected.  If you think that your messages are
[12:42] <Kilos> being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at
[12:42] <Kilos> ubuntu-za-owner@lists.ubuntu.com.
[12:42] <inetpro> kbmonkey: are you ready for the chair tonight?
[12:43]  * inetpro notices a very short agenda again
[12:43] <Kilos> hes afk
[12:43] <inetpro> hmm...
[12:43] <inetpro> Kilos: guess you'll have to stand in then
[12:43] <Kilos> yeah everyone too busy to think about stuff to discuss
[12:43] <Kilos> no man he will be here tonight
[12:43] <Kilos> hes afk now
[12:55] <Kilos> oh ya inetpro maia is the owner
[12:57] <inetpro> Kilos: ty
[12:57] <Kilos> np
[12:58] <Kilos> ty
[13:18] <gwood> hey everyone
[13:20] <Vince-0> !
[13:20] <Kilos> hi gwood 
[13:20] <gwood> I'm wondering if anyone uses a VPS for various things, what providers are cheap, don't need anything beastly, just something to mess around with, maybe use as a vpn, ssh, etc.
[13:20] <gwood> I'm wondering if anyone uses a VPS for various things, what providers are cheap, don't need anything beastly, just something to mess around with, maybe use as a vpn, ssh, etc.
[13:20] <gwood> I'm wondering if anyone uses a VPS for various things, what providers are cheap, don't need anything beastly, just something to mess around with, maybe use as a vpn, ssh, etc.
[13:21] <Kilos> lol you stuttering?
[13:21] <Kilos> 3 sentence stutters
[13:21] <Kilos> haha
[13:36] <Vince-0> georgl, if you don't need a local ZA vps check cloudatcost.com
[13:36] <Vince-0> I mean, gwood 
[13:47] <gwood> cool, thanks Vince-0 i'll take a look
[13:50] <gwood> wow, they are definately the cheapest i've seen so far
[13:51] <Vince-0> unfortunately it requires pay pal
[13:52] <Vince-0> and I bought 2 years up front, its not per month but it does work out cheapest per month
[13:52] <Vince-0> I think they're XEN VMs
[13:58] <Vince-0> ah its VMWare
[14:07] <Vince-0> and the latency to Canada is pretty shocking via MTN right now - like 450ms to cloudatcost.com's VPS
[14:10] <gwood> yes, internet access/speed in South Africa is quite bad in general or costs a lot
[14:11] <Vince-0> afrihost just revised their bandwidth pricing on their hosting options
[14:11] <Vince-0> but it doesn't come close to international VPS pricing
[14:13] <gwood> yes, i've noticed that if you want to host a website cheaply, don't even waste your time looking within south africa
[14:14] <superfly> I use Linode
[14:14] <Vince-0> A EU host will have lower latency - the hosts in the US/Canada go via London at like 380ms+
[14:16] <superfly> average latency to my VPS is 247ms
[14:16] <superfly> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 247.150/250.395/274.473/6.296 ms
[14:17] <superfly> OK, a little above 247, but not bad :-P
[14:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> i get this to my virtual server
[14:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 21.337/34.761/56.295/13.244 ms
[14:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> but that isn't really a fair comparison :-D
[14:19] <Vince-0> yoh
[14:23] <superfly> ThatGraemeGuy: that's cause your virtual server is sitting on a rack next to you :-P
[14:24] <gwood> linode is a bit more hardcore than what i need
[14:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> not quite, but yeah.... i did say its not a fair comparison :)
[14:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> we have 30Mbit from the office to the core of our DC where that VM is
[14:37] <Kilos> inetpro, dit voel of dit wil kom reen
[14:38] <inetpro> Kilos: eish!
[14:38] <gwood> awesome, i'm signed up and already using my vps, wow that was a quicker than i expected
[14:38] <inetpro> Kilos: how much time I have?
[14:41] <Kilos> boem boem by kalefong
[14:42] <Kilos> so maybe an hour
[14:42] <Kilos> unless wind picks up all of a sudden
[14:42] <Kilos> your side still looks not to bad
[14:42] <Kilos> yo JoTraGo 
[15:15] <kbmonkey> hi inetpro - yes meeting tonight
[15:16] <Kilos> ohi kbmonkey 
[15:18] <Kilos> hi aquarat 
[15:18] <kbmonkey> hello
[15:18] <aquarat> hey kilos
[15:19] <Kilos> so you clever okes tell me how to speed up a usb ubuntu flash drive without spending lotsa money
[15:20] <Kilos> needs a libusb-boost or turbo or something
[15:21] <kbmonkey> I want to know that too!
[15:21] <kbmonkey> usb copies are very slow
[15:21] <Kilos> hehe
[15:22] <Kilos> i looked at the usb3 adapter card, usb2 backward compatible
[15:22] <Kilos> super fast with usb3 but dunno if it will be faster with usb2
[15:23] <Kilos> 1.3gb/s with usb3 stick
[15:23] <Kilos> but 500 bucks
[15:23] <Kilos> eina
[15:35] <kbmonkey> mmm
[15:52]  * nlsthzn just killed his S3... so as a final ditch effort I am installing Windows and going to try and recover it... might miss the meeting :/
[15:54] <not_found> back up IRC solution enabeld
[15:54] <not_found> enabled
[16:00] <Kilos> oh my goodness
[16:09] <nlsthzn> the meeting is at what time again?
[16:10] <kbmonkey> 20h30
[16:13] <nlsthzn> k, cool... I will use the wife's PC for the Windows things.. not in the mood for all that hassle again
[16:27] <nlsthzn> sucks that I need to use Windows to Fix a linux based device
[16:27] <Kilos> lol
[16:29] <nlsthzn> then I am going to have to use Windows again to prepare it so I can break it again >.<
[16:29] <Kilos> s3 is android?
[16:29] <nlsthzn> yup
[16:29] <Kilos> not ext4?
[16:30] <nlsthzn> android is an operating system... ext4 is a filesystem 
[16:30] <Kilos> winodows cant see ext4 methinks
[16:31] <Kilos> ya man but the format
[16:31] <Kilos> filesystem used
[16:33] <nlsthzn> ah I am not sure ... for the SD card I had to use exfat
[16:33] <nlsthzn> and that isn't easy for linux per default
[16:33] <Kilos> ah
[16:33] <nlsthzn> as for the base system I dunno
[16:33] <nlsthzn> but Windows doesn't have issues once the drivers are installed
[16:34] <Kilos> i think the android os i downloaded for pc wanted ext2
[16:34] <nlsthzn> for PC...
[16:35] <nlsthzn> seems my flashing is going OK thus far... no errors yet... still got to see the phone actually boot
[16:35] <Kilos> ya they made the os for pc but i cant get it going
[16:37] <nlsthzn> very easy way to mess with android on the desktop - http://www.genymotion.com/
[16:39] <nlsthzn> oh the irony... the reason I was messing with the phone was that it didn't connect onto the network so no calls/sms's... now it is up and running again but the same issue still plagues it...
[16:39] <nlsthzn> now I have to re-read how to root it so I can again install other custom roms to see what the is up with that >.<
[16:39] <Kilos> ai!
[16:42] <nlsthzn> interesting... it sees my service provider but doesn't want to access it 
[16:42] <nlsthzn> ;/
[16:44] <Kilos> you been near with windows so it needs a reboot
[16:47] <nlsthzn> at least now it can reboot
[16:48] <nlsthzn> lets see what a factory reset yields...
[16:53] <nlsthzn> well there we go... all working again ... phew
[16:54] <Kilos> great
[17:52] <Kilos> !
[17:56] <kbmonkey> what up
[17:56] <Kilos> oh he of the tired fingers arrived
[17:57] <inetpro> Kilos: the latest droid phones no longer come with the ext filesystem
[17:57] <Kilos> oh my, what do they use?
[17:57] <Kilos> i dunno where the storm went
[17:57] <inetpro> Kilos: gone with the wind
[17:58] <Kilos> yeah but lets hope for later and tomorrow
[17:59] <inetpro> good film that btw
[17:59] <Kilos> lol ya
[17:59] <Kilos> what filesystem does android use now then
[18:03] <inetpro> I think it depends on the hardware manufacturer
[18:03] <Kilos> arent they all google based?
[18:03] <inetpro> my Nexus S used ext4
[18:04] <inetpro> but my Samsung Note II uses some yucky proprietary FS 
[18:04] <Kilos> ah
[18:05] <Kilos> but is it also android?
[18:05] <inetpro> actually one of the few things I really don't like about Samsung
[18:06] <inetpro> Kilos: yes it's android
[18:06] <Kilos> and they all linux based?
[18:06] <kbmonkey> I am online tethered to the phone tonight
[18:07] <kbmonkey> get intermittend disconnects
[18:07] <nlsthzn> linux just the kernel... 
[18:07] <inetpro> Kilos: if you want as many people as possible to read your files you'd better format it as VFAT
[18:07] <nlsthzn> a lot of other stuff around it to make it an OS
[18:07] <kbmonkey> luckily on irc via a shell acount that stays online
[18:07] <Kilos> can you install ubuntu on vfat?
[18:08] <tal0n> hello everyone
[18:08] <inetpro> Kilos: I wouldn't even it it was possible
[18:08] <inetpro> if
[18:08] <Kilos> yes nlsthzn but doesnt the kernel decide the filesystem you gonna use?
[18:08] <nlsthzn> if there is a driver then it will work
[18:09]  * inetpro would prefer to see hardware manufacturers combine efforts to decide on a OSS file format for cameras, etc
[18:09] <kbmonkey> guise, we dont have any meeting agenda items...
[18:09] <inetpro> guise?
[18:09] <Kilos> lol
[18:09] <inetpro> kbmonkey: s/guise/guys/
[18:09] <Kilos> dis
[18:10] <Kilos> he is a van der merwe
[18:10] <kbmonkey> typo*
[18:10] <nlsthzn> lekka hey
[18:10] <inetpro> vfat should die
[18:11] <Kilos> kbmonkey, i dunno what we gonna chat about but even a short meet keeps us legal
[18:11] <nlsthzn> extfat more difficulty
[18:11] <inetpro> fat/vfat
[18:11] <nlsthzn> the whole loco thing is about to change...
[18:11] <inetpro> unfortunately it's still very widely used
[18:11] <nlsthzn> no more having to prove anything etc.
[18:11] <inetpro> nlsthzn: how so?
[18:11] <Kilos> man i dont want windows peeps to see my stick unless they boot from it
[18:11] <nlsthzn> they are going to chuck it all out
[18:12] <Kilos> oh my
[18:12] <inetpro> nlsthzn: please define "about to change"
[18:12] <nlsthzn> just about
[18:12] <nlsthzn> no more yearly proving activity and no more you are approved and you are not... 
[18:12] <inetpro> nlsthzn: when?
[18:12] <nlsthzn> but OK, it is still in discussion so anything is possible
[18:12] <Kilos> goodness me
[18:13] <nlsthzn> but it would seem the way it is now isn't going to be the way forward for long...
[18:14] <nlsthzn> nothing official etc... 
[18:14] <kbmonkey> anybody tried the new pifs filesystem yet?
[18:14] <inetpro> nlsthzn: when was this discussed?
[18:14] <Kilos> so locos will be something thats up to each areas decision
[18:14] <kbmonkey> https://github.com/philipl/pifs
[18:15] <nlsthzn> this has been thrown around for months... some of it you can get from blogs (planet) and from IRC... not sure if there has been to many official meetings and stuff on mailing lists... that is way I have no idea on a ETA...
[18:15] <Kilos> πfs
[18:16] <inetpro> π = pi
[18:16] <Kilos> oh not an n
[18:17]  * nlsthzn messages pleia as she is on all the councils and will have more concrete info :p
[18:17] <inetpro> nlsthzn: cool
[18:18] <nlsthzn> not sure when she will respond as she is in the US someplace
[18:19]  * inetpro has not seen the discussion point but it makes sense to review it
[18:19] <Kilos> will be a while still before it works 100% kbmonkey 
[18:19] <plustwo> o/
[18:20] <inetpro> plustwo: wb
[18:20] <Kilos> and then to get your system to work on it
[18:20] <nlsthzn> http://lococouncil.ubuntu.com/2013/08/25/new-local-communities-healthcheck/
[18:20] <Kilos> yo plustwo you still alive
[18:20] <superfly> I have an agenda item: how to recover your EC2 instance when you can't SSH into it
[18:20] <plustwo> :) tnx guys
[18:20] <nlsthzn> seems it has been discussed officially and seems to be mostly the same
[18:20] <superfly> unfortunately I haven't done it yet, so I'll be relying on you guys :-P
[18:20] <Kilos> add it superfly 
[18:21] <inetpro> superfly: nice one :-)
[18:21] <Kilos> hehe
[18:21] <superfly> Kilos: I was being facetious
[18:21] <Kilos> lol
[18:21] <kbmonkey> outsourcing your work eh?
[18:22] <superfly> I have outsourced to a blog post already
[18:25] <Kilos> Maaz, define facetious
[18:25] <Maaz> Kilos: Facetious \Fa*ce"tious\, a. [Cf. F. fac['e]tieux. See {Faceti[ae]}.] 1. Given to wit and good humor; merry; sportive; jocular; as, a facetious companion. [1913 Webster]  2. Characterized by wit and pleasantry; exciting laughter; as, a facetious story or reply. -- {Fa*ce"tious*ly}, adv. -- {Fa*ce"tious*ness}, n. [1913 Webster], facetious adj 1: cleverly
[18:25] <Maaz> amusing in tone; "a bantering tone"; "facetious remarks"; "tongue-in-cheek advice" [syn: {bant…
[18:25] <Kilos> haha
[18:26] <Kilos> i had a different meaning for it
[18:26] <Kilos> bulldusting
[18:27] <kbmonkey> lol Kilos 
[18:27] <tumbleweed> superfly: EBS backed?
[18:29] <Kilos> hi captine 
[18:29] <captine> hi Kilos
[18:29] <Kilos> evening tumbleweed hows you?
[18:29] <tumbleweed> not bad, just having breakfast
[18:30] <kbmonkey> interesting page about the local communities health check, thanks nlsthzn 
[18:30] <Kilos> not pronutro either
[18:30] <Kilos> hi Lionthinker 
[18:30] <inetpro> kbmonkey: 20:30
[18:30] <Lionthinker> Hi Kilos
[18:30] <Lionthinker> hey guys
[18:30] <kbmonkey> thanks inetpro 
[18:30] <Kilos> meeting time
[18:31] <Vince-0> Maaz: I am Vincent Swart
[18:31] <Maaz> Vince-0: *blink*
[18:31] <Vince-0> Maaz: I'm Vincent Swart ?
[18:31] <Maaz> Vince-0: *blink*
[18:31] <Vince-0> lol hi guiz
[18:31] <Kilos> kbmonkey, wakey wakey
[18:31] <kbmonkey> Maaz, start meeting about Monthly irc meet
[18:31]  * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles
[18:31] <inetpro> Maaz: I am Gustav H Meyer
[18:31] <Maaz> inetpro: Alrighty
[18:31] <kbmonkey> Kilos, stop it. I am on a very slow connection
[18:31] <Kilos> Maaz, I am Miles Sharpe
[18:31] <Maaz> Kilos: Okay
[18:32] <nlsthzn> Maaz, I am Neil Oosthuizen
[18:32] <Kilos> lol
[18:32] <Maaz> nlsthzn: Yessir
[18:32] <kbmonkey> Maaz, I am Wesley Werner
[18:32] <tal0n> Maaz, I am Daan Schutte
[18:32] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Sure
[18:32] <Maaz> tal0n: Righto
[18:32] <Kilos> sorry monkey
[18:32] <plustwo> Maaz: I am Oupa Mok
[18:32] <Maaz> plustwo: Sure
[18:32] <Lionthinker> Maaz, I am Leon Marincowitz
[18:32] <Maaz> Lionthinker: Sure
[18:32] <kbmonkey> Kilos, ;P
[18:32] <Lionthinker> am I logged in
[18:32] <kbmonkey> Maaz, topic Welcome and introduction
[18:32] <Maaz> Current Topic: Welcome and introduction
[18:32] <Kilos> yp
[18:32] <nlsthzn> Hello everybody
[18:33] <kbmonkey> Hello and welcome everybody to tonight's meeting
[18:33] <Kilos> hello body
[18:33] <Kilos> Maaz, welcome
[18:33] <Maaz> Welcome to tonights meeting everyone
[18:33] <kbmonkey> Our very small agenda can be found at http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/681/detail/
[18:33] <kbmonkey> Maaz, thanks 
[18:33] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Okay :-)
[18:33] <Lionthinker> that is a small agenda
[18:33] <inetpro> thanks kbmonkey, looks like a wide and open agenda to me :-)
[18:34] <kbmonkey> in the last meeting minutes we have.. Release parties!
[18:34] <kbmonkey> indeed inetpro - I am thinking we can maybe have an open question topic...
[18:34] <Symmetria> sup!
[18:34] <Symmetria> http://www.alstonnetworks.net/house <[18:35] <inetpro> Symmetria: welcome to our monthly meeting
[18:35] <Kilos> hi Symmetria login with maaz for the meeting
[18:35] <kbmonkey> to update: has anyone had release parties this month for 13.10?
[18:35] <Symmetria> oh you having a meeting :) sorry
[18:35] <kbmonkey> welcome Symmetria 
[18:36] <Symmetria> Maaz: I'm Andrew Alston
[18:36] <Maaz> Symmetria: Huh?
[18:36] <Kilos> Symmetria, join us man
[18:36] <Symmetria> Maaz, I'm Andrew Alston
[18:36]  * inetpro not aware of any parties that happened
[18:36] <Maaz> Symmetria: Excuse me?
[18:36] <Kilos> I am is the way
[18:36] <kbmonkey> the bot does not do contractions :(
[18:36] <Symmetria> lol
[18:36] <Symmetria> Maaz I am Andrew Alston
[18:36] <Maaz> Symmetria: Sure
[18:36] <superfly> Maaz: I am Raoul Snyman
[18:36] <Maaz> superfly: Alrighty
[18:36] <kbmonkey> yey
[18:37] <inetpro> do we have any new members here... apart from Symmetria
[18:37] <superfly> except Symmetria is not new :-P
[18:37] <Lionthinker> yip
[18:37] <Kilos> rofl
[18:37] <kbmonkey> alright since our agenda is actually tiny, lets have a open discussion
[18:37] <kbmonkey> Maaz, topic open questions
[18:37] <Maaz> Current Topic: open questions
[18:37] <Kilos> Lionthinker, you been here before i think
[18:37] <Lionthinker> yip
[18:37] <Symmetria> I actually have a question thats relevant, how are people finding the performance of the current african mirror servers
[18:38] <Lionthinker> I always forgot about monthly meeting
[18:38] <Lionthinker> Kilos but the Google Plus reminder definitly helped
[18:38] <inetpro> Symmetria: good question
[18:38] <Kilos> yay thank inetpro for that
[18:38] <Kilos> i dont go g+
[18:38] <inetpro> our za mirrors have really been unstable 
[18:38] <Lionthinker> Symmetria, i stick on the Stellenbosch/academic one
[18:38] <Kilos> bad Symmetria 
[18:39] <Kilos> only main still seems ok
[18:39] <Lionthinker> agree, the others are bad
[18:39] <Symmetria> I'm attempting desperately to bring up a new major mirror in east africa, but there is one caveat to that, it will perform fantastically to everywhere in southern and eastern africa at really low latency *except* if you are on telkom or MTN 
[18:39] <inetpro> eish!
[18:39] <Symmetria> Vodacom latency to it should be fixed in the next few days
[18:39] <kbmonkey> great question! I find them okay mostly, a few hiccups. but I don't have the speed or bandwidth to see any noticable change
[18:40] <Kilos> eish Symmetria fix it
[18:40] <Symmetria> Kilos, Vodacom = easy to fix
[18:40] <Kilos> no fix telkom
[18:40] <Symmetria> MTN = probably never gonna happen, especially after the email I just sent them telling them to die in a fire 
[18:40] <Kilos> forget mtn
[18:40] <Symmetria> and Telkom? getting peering with Telkom is nigh impossible 
[18:40] <Kilos> telkom is growing fast
[18:40] <inetpro> Symmetria: can't we find somebody at Telkom to fix things up for us?
[18:41] <Lionthinker> Telkom mobile might join with Cell C, so that might do something
[18:41] <Symmetria> inetpro, Telkom refuses to peer, the only way to get a decent mirror to service telkom clients is to put one at telkom itself 
[18:41] <Symmetria> we're working on a way to peer with Telkom but I don't see it happening in the short term
[18:41] <inetpro> so maybe it is time that we do that
[18:41] <Kilos> yes Symmetria work with them
[18:41] <Symmetria> Kilos telkom doesnt work with people, Telkom sues people as an alternative ;p
[18:42] <Kilos> cellc sucks
[18:42] <kbmonkey> like a dedicated server in their base of ops?
[18:42] <Symmetria> kbmonkey or anywhere with high speed connectivity that is on their network
[18:42] <Symmetria> actually, if mweb put down a proper stable mirror you'd get ok connectivity to it from Telkom
[18:42]  * nlsthzn just re-fixed his S3... just saying :/ now I can pay more attention
[18:42] <Lionthinker> Kilos, yes but they shaking up the market and will do so even more if merged with Telkom
[18:43] <Symmetria> but to give you an idea just how bad the situation is, the latency from Telkom -> Liquid South africa is 4 times the latency from IS -> Liquid Kenya ;p
[18:43] <Lionthinker> don't want to sound like an idiot, but how does one set up a mirror?
[18:43] <Symmetria> lionthinker, a server, with a fair amount of disk space, running an ftp daemon, a web daemon and an rsync script 
[18:43] <inetpro> Lionthinker: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors
[18:44] <Kilos> major work if you want it to be recoknised with ubuntu
[18:44] <Kilos> recognised
[18:44] <inetpro> NOTE: information on that link may be outdated
[18:45] <kbmonkey> very interesting
[18:45] <Lionthinker> thanks inetpro and Symmetria 
[18:45] <inetpro> the mailing lists seem very quiet as well
[18:45] <kbmonkey> also to echo what nlsthzn linked earlier, there is a new local communities health check process.
[18:45] <Lionthinker> who manages our country mirror
[18:46] <Kilos> we got about 6
[18:47] <kbmonkey> http://lococouncil.ubuntu.com/2013/08/25/new-local-communities-healthcheck/
[18:47] <Lionthinker> is there a comparison between them?
[18:48] <Kilos> we used to have to be approved yearly
[18:48] <Kilos> well still do so far
[18:48] <Kilos> you shoulda come here earlier we were discussing it
[18:49] <inetpro> looks like we need people from #ubuntu-za to sit in on meetings at #ubuntu-meeting
[18:49] <Kilos> you
[18:49] <inetpro> Kilos: eish! Like many others I erally struggle to find time
[18:50] <kbmonkey> Lionthinker, there is a small comparison on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors (scroll down to South Africa)
[18:50] <inetpro> really*
[18:50] <Lionthinker> kbmonkey, thanks much appreciated
[18:51] <Lionthinker> inetpro,  but the process seems to be easier, they've changed the name from I think verification to something else I forget
[18:51] <kbmonkey> I always thought that repo archives should be one bandwidth resource we should not be charged for
[18:51] <kbmonkey> but that is a pipe dream
[18:52] <inetpro> kbmonkey: that would be ideal
[18:52] <kbmonkey> "approved" -> "verified"
[18:53] <kbmonkey> to remind everyone, this is our meeting and it is an open question topic :)
[18:53] <Lionthinker> anyway it seems somewhat less strenous from what I read on the blogs
[18:56] <kbmonkey> not sure if it is telkom or me, but the mobile broadband connectivity is pretty unstable lately
[18:56] <Lionthinker> usually its good for me but tonight seems poor
[18:57] <captine> Hi.  For open discussion, I emailed canonical to ask if they had any success stories in SA with clients using ubuntu desktops etc in place of windows (our company has just began migrating from novel group wise onto active directory + the whole MS thing…  didn't get a good response other than a standard one saying I should ask questions on askubuntu…. anyone here know of any companies moving to Ubuntu (am sure I saw FNB tellers using ubuntu, but coul
[18:57] <captine> wrong).
[18:57] <Lionthinker> captine, that's right FNB does use ubuntu, also at their training centres
[18:58] <kbmonkey> interesting captine - perhaps you reached a tech support area that did not know that information
[18:58] <Lionthinker> but not in their hq and admin side. I think its more for the server and locked done terminal type thing for tellers
[18:58] <kbmonkey> FNB uses Ubuntu? wow!
[18:58] <Lionthinker> yah Steve is great
[18:59] <captine> I thought so.  It was pretty custom, with a more traditional windows xp bottom task bar, but looked slick
[18:59] <Lionthinker> ;-D
[18:59] <Lionthinker> Perhaps we could get them to be more vocal, it would contribute to Free Software
[18:59] <inetpro> captine: nice one!
[19:00] <Lionthinker> Something like compiling a list of companies that use Ubuntu and popularise it
[19:00] <captine> I just get ripped off by our IT team whenever talking about ubuntu etc.  they ripping out our current slackware routers etc, and putting in big money cisco and IS mols etc… fun.
[19:00]  * inetpro is convinced that there are many more who are just not (for who knows what reasons) willing to talk about it (yet)
[19:00] <captine> sorry, not slackware… meant suse
[19:01] <kbmonkey> In related news the guys from the new linuxvoice magazine started releasing podcasts - http://www.linuxvoice.com/category/podcasts/
[19:01] <captine> anyone know where fhb would get their support from?  always told there is no support or linux…. but that is from our Windows admins and consultants :)
[19:01] <Vince-0> captine: who supports the Suse environment?
[19:02] <captine> a 1 man IT show.
[19:02] <Vince-0> Obsidian, Synaq maybe
[19:02] <Vince-0> whaat 1 man? then it makes sense to move risk to a corporate support
[19:02] <captine> great guy, but current infrastructure setup based on old dial up type network… so it hasn't given linux a good name in our companuy.
[19:02] <Vince-0> and LSD - these are good support corporates
[19:03] <Vince-0> Even local Avaya support runs on some RHEL installs, there are corporates locally
[19:04] <Lionthinker> on a sidenote: does anyone have an interest in Open and Linked data
[19:05] <Vince-0> brb
[19:06] <captine> Lionthinker: what is that?
[19:06] <kbmonkey> I was wondering the same....
[19:07] <Lionthinker> captine, Tim Berners-Lee started it. Its where data sets are opened for public use or analysis. the Raw data 
[19:07] <kbmonkey> huh, I did not know there were that many corp linux supports around. How interesting.
[19:07] <inetpro> btw, this whole linux skills shortage debate annoys me
[19:07] <kbmonkey> yes I have such an  interest Lionthinker 
[19:07] <captine> inetpro: annoys me to.  this is what our execs were sold…  
[19:07] <inetpro> it's not just linux skills that are scarce, its an industry problem is you ask me
[19:08] <Lionthinker> Which means the more data sets that are open, the greater the possibility to create links through a community to find links that weren't seen beforehand-hence open or linked data
[19:08] <inetpro> if you ask me*
[19:08] <Lionthinker> kbmonkey, have you had any experience in the area. I'm researching it and trying to put a proposal together
[19:09] <kbmonkey> yes inetpro very much so. also found anything with the open source or free labels are not trusted in ZA. While embraced in other countries.
[19:09] <Vince-0> http://www.clug.org.za/links/cape-town-linux-companies/
[19:10] <inetpro> there is lots and lots of scope for anyone who really wants to learn and get to know IT
[19:10] <kbmonkey> ...at least at every company I worked at
[19:10] <Lionthinker> FLOSS needs a special interest lobby group!
[19:10] <kbmonkey> maybe I just end up with the pig-headed ones ;)
[19:11] <kbmonkey> Lionthinker, no I have not any experience with it directly.
[19:11] <inetpro> FLOSS really makes life so much easier for everyone
[19:11] <Lionthinker> kbmonkey, yes they called SA exec's and no one is spared
[19:12] <Lionthinker> kbmonkey, sad, me neither. but similar to FlOSS its so easy to learn, so I'm hiking up that step learning curve
[19:13] <kbmonkey> but I can ask for some info for you if you like Lionthinker - my sibling does statistics for aids research and have huge datasets. I can find out what they do with the results and their policy regarding aggregate data + openness
[19:14] <Lionthinker> kbmonkey, that would be wonderful. it would be especially poweful to share data sets and allow ngo's to correlate in such a field like aids
[19:14] <kbmonkey> folks, we shall be closing off the meeting in the next 15 minutes...
[19:15] <kbmonkey> sure thing Lionthinker :]
[19:16] <Kilos> np
[19:16] <kbmonkey> you don't have to leave the chat though ;
[19:17] <Kilos> ty
[19:17] <captine> last one from me.  Other than red hat certifications, are there other linux based certifications out there that can be done in SA?  I am an accountant, but keen to learn something new
[19:17] <Lionthinker> another thought, Jono Bacon Ubuntu Community Manager has a started a podcast http://www.badvoltage.org/
[19:17] <Kilos> just check there isnt anything important we leaving out kbmonkey 
[19:17] <Kilos> captine, LPI
[19:18] <Kilos> Maaz, LPI
[19:18] <Maaz> Kilos: Sorry...
[19:18] <captine> Kilos: LPI?
[19:18] <Kilos> ai!
[19:18] <Kilos> linux pro stuff
[19:18] <Kilos> Maaz, LPI manual
[19:18] <Maaz> http://www.linuxcertification.co.za/sites/default/files/LPIManual_v_09.pdf
[19:18] <captine> Kilos: i see.  google is telling me about it
[19:19] <Kilos> where are you theres a guy in durbs gonna help with exams i think;
[19:19] <Kilos> hey Vince-0 
[19:19] <kbmonkey> ^ yes that. also there is lpi.org
[19:19] <Vince-0> I haven't attended a class yet
[19:20] <kbmonkey> the fine folks and Jumping Bean are willing to let us write the lpi exams as a group
[19:21] <captine> Kilos: Jhb
[19:21] <inetpro> NOTE: certification doesn't guarantee  anything
[19:21] <Kilos> ah\
[19:21] <captine> inetpro: thanks.  I am just wanting it for interest sake.  a methodical way to learn a bit about linux.  as mentioned, am a accountant by trade with a love for tech
[19:22] <kbmonkey> Yes and by increasing the number of certified techs the more interest it build in corporate business
[19:22] <kbmonkey> It raises credibility I guess
[19:23] <inetpro> captine: sure thing
[19:23] <kbmonkey> Alright, can I move to a closing topic...
[19:23] <captine> cool by me
[19:23] <kbmonkey> do some of you have kids already in bed?
[19:24] <Lionthinker> yip me
[19:24] <Kilos> ya the fly
[19:24] <Lionthinker> has anyone flashed to Ubuntu Touch?
[19:24] <captine> not yet.  my one is still in the tummy… arriving later December… ;)
[19:24] <Kilos> hehe
[19:24] <Kilos> soon hey
[19:25] <superfly> mine are supposed to be in bed
[19:25] <Lionthinker> captine, goodluck -get as much sleep now as possible
[19:25] <Kilos> oh my fly
[19:25] <inetpro> 50% of mine have gone to sleep
[19:25] <Kilos> yeah you gonna forget what a nights sleep is
[19:25] <kbmonkey> Maaz, topic closing and choosing next chair
[19:25] <Lionthinker> captine, I'm even pressed to chase you to bed, as you'll never know what you've lost until its gone ;-D
[19:25] <Maaz> Current Topic: closing and choosing next chair
[19:26] <kbmonkey> hehe you all are so funny :)
[19:26] <superfly> captine: don't let them scare you... you still get a little bit of sleep
[19:26] <inetpro> captine: nice to have you here by the way
[19:26] <captine> i tell my wife I have a downstairs room to sleep in :)
[19:26] <kbmonkey> Well thanks everyone for joining us, sorry we did not have a formal agenda 
[19:26] <inetpro> hope we will see you again
[19:26] <Lionthinker> superfly, lie to the man
[19:27] <captine> inetpro: thanks.  good to be here.  am dead keen to get more involved in linux etc in SA
[19:27] <captine> where possible
[19:27] <kbmonkey> But this open discussion kinda got rolling nicely!
[19:27] <captine> thanks kbmonkey 
[19:27] <plustwo> kbmonkey: tnx
[19:27] <inetpro> kbmonkey: nice job!
[19:27] <inetpro> anyone else willing to try chairing?
[19:28] <kbmonkey> I shall take the meeting again next time? 
[19:28] <kbmonkey> I am happy with that, objections?
[19:28] <inetpro> +1 for kbmonkey
[19:28] <Kilos> captine, we are here every day not just meeting times hey
[19:28] <kbmonkey> I just have a bad agenda run lately ;)
[19:28] <plustwo> +1 for kbmonkey :)
[19:28] <captine> Kilos: thanks.  I just moved back to SA, just moved into a house a week ago, so been pretty busy
[19:29] <inetpro> kbmonkey: we'll excuse you for that today
[19:29] <captine> trying to get all my computers back up and running in SA.
[19:29] <kbmonkey> Maaz, agreed kbmonkey to chair the next meeting.
[19:29] <Maaz> Agreed: kbmonkey to chair the next meeting
[19:29] <kbmonkey> Maaz, end meeting
[19:29] <Maaz> Meeting Ended
[19:29] <Maaz> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2013-11-25-18-31-27.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2013-11-25-18-31-27.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2013-11-25-18-31-27.html
[19:29] <Kilos> kbmonkey, for chair is good
[19:29] <inetpro> thanks kbmonkey
[19:29] <Kilos> kbmonkey, ty
[19:29] <kbmonkey> awe thanks inetpro :D
[19:30] <Kilos> maybe we need to push him a bit of karma
[19:30] <inetpro> when is the next meeting?
[19:30] <Kilos> Maaz, kbmonkey ++
[19:30] <kbmonkey> right, I am just going to create the meeting for next time...
[19:30] <Kilos> good lad
[19:31] <kbmonkey> is it the 4th monday or the last?
[19:31] <inetpro> 4th
[19:31] <kbmonkey> that would be 23rd December
[19:32] <kbmonkey> we all get to wear pointy irc hats and hang tinsel in #ubuntu-za XD
[19:32] <Kilos> lol
[19:33] <kbmonkey> Kilos, lets start looking for the xmas decorations box. where did we put it again...?
[19:33] <Kilos> hehe
[19:34] <kbmonkey> and xmas stories
[19:35] <Lionthinker> later guys
[19:36] <Kilos> cheers Lionthinker 
[19:36] <Kilos> ty for the visit
[19:36] <Kilos> and
[19:36] <Kilos> and
[19:36] <Kilos> you also need to member we are here daily
[19:36] <Lionthinker> yip, will try be more regular
[19:37] <kbmonkey> ah gone, oraait
[19:37] <kbmonkey> hang in there... these pages are loading very slowly :/
[19:38] <tal0n> cheers all 
[19:38] <tal0n> last exam tomorrow so will pop in more regularly ;)
[19:38] <Kilos> cheers tal0n 
[19:38] <Kilos> good luck
[19:38] <kbmonkey> cheers tal0n thanks hey
[19:38] <inetpro> tal0n: good night
[19:39] <kbmonkey> yes good luck
[19:39] <tal0n> thanks!
[19:39] <inetpro> nice to see you back here btw
[19:39] <tal0n> tx inetpro 
[19:39] <inetpro> good luck
[19:40] <kbmonkey> Right the next meeting agenda is very contrived yet refreshing! http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/698/detail/
[19:40] <kbmonkey> Of course they are light hearted - need submissions in due time
[19:41] <kbmonkey> Kilos, are you gonna wear a red suit and read us a xmas story?
[19:41] <Kilos> hahaha
[19:42] <Kilos> na man ill cheer in the background
[19:42] <kbmonkey> you'll be drinking the brandy cake? ;P
[19:43] <inetpro> thanks kbmonkey
[19:43] <kbmonkey> yw inetpro 
[19:43] <kbmonkey> thanks to you too
[19:44] <Vince-0> c'yall
[19:44] <inetpro> Vince-0: good night
[19:44] <kbmonkey> I have to reasearch a bit of html5's local storage methods now
[19:44] <Kilos> toods Vince-0 
[19:44] <Kilos> sleep lekker
[19:44] <kbmonkey> ciao Vince-0 thanks for coming man
[19:44] <inetpro> kbmonkey: keep up to date with http://lococouncil.ubuntu.com/ 
[19:45] <kbmonkey> ah great, thanks!
[19:45] <inetpro> or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil
[19:45] <Kilos> we keep our loco going
[19:45] <Kilos> you all loco enough
[19:45] <inetpro> next meeting is scheduled for Tuesday, 17 December 2013 20:00 UTC
[19:46] <inetpro> LoCo Council meets on the 3rd Tuesday of every month at 20:00 UTC
[19:46] <inetpro> Kilos: these are the guys who are in charge of LoCo groups
[19:48] <kbmonkey> ah, so they manage the loco contacts
[19:48] <inetpro> The Ubuntu LoCo Council is comprised of elected, dedicated members of the Ubuntu Community
[19:48] <inetpro> They have diverse backgrounds, but have a firm understanding of what makes up successful LoCo's
[19:48] <kbmonkey> I like the logo top-right on that page, ha
[19:48] <inetpro> etc...
[19:48] <Kilos> well they been happy with us every approval meet
[19:49] <kbmonkey> yes I remember that last meet
[19:49] <Kilos> we have been a bit slack ya but life happens
[19:49] <inetpro> kbmonkey: you mean "Local Communities ROCK!" ?
[19:49] <Kilos> i havent seen them even doubt us yet
[19:49] <kbmonkey> yes inetpro that logo
[19:49] <inetpro> :-)
[19:50] <kbmonkey> *words
[19:50] <kbmonkey> keeping that page open for further reading :)
[19:51]  * inetpro subscribed to the RSS feed
[19:52] <kbmonkey> right I have an hour to learn about html5 storage, will stay on irc just a bit quieter
[19:52]  * inetpro enjoying newsblur since the death of Google Reader
[19:53] <kbmonkey> oh noes, got to jump in the shower quick - brb!
[19:55] <Vince-0> *inbetween battlefield4
[20:20] <kbmonkey> eish, pc must be getting old
[20:20] <Kilos> why?
[20:21] <kbmonkey> network card drops and only reboot can reset it
[20:21] <Kilos> i have that sometimes with 3g as well
[20:21] <kbmonkey> hey maybe we can try have an open discussion meeting again next monday
[20:21] <Kilos> other times moving the modem works
[20:22] <kbmonkey> non official, no maaz
[20:22] <kbmonkey> can add tit to event wiki
[20:22] <kbmonkey> no its wlan0, it drops and taking it down/up or restarting networking does not show any wireless networks
[20:22] <Kilos> what you wanna discuss
[20:22] <kbmonkey> stupid realtek crap
[20:22] <Kilos> lol
[20:23] <kbmonkey> no like whatever people wanna discuss
[20:23] <kbmonkey> like tonight
[20:23] <Kilos> thats fine with me
[20:23] <Kilos> yeah was lekker
[20:23] <kbmonkey> magespawn has been in lately?
[20:23] <Kilos> nope
[20:23] <Kilos> he only makes it weekends mostly
[20:23] <kbmonkey> the guy is busy hey
[20:24] <Kilos> odd occasions during the week
[20:24] <Kilos> very ya
[20:24] <kbmonkey> luckily I have data on the phone - 200 MB till month end. phew
[20:24] <Kilos> hey get one the telkom mobile sims man
[20:25] <Kilos> R49 and 200m data monthly for a year
[20:25] <kbmonkey> I can top up if need be but its prorata and not worth it for only 5 days remain
[20:25] <Kilos> r$( once only
[20:25] <kbmonkey> r$( is cheap
[20:25] <kbmonkey> that is less than r#*
[20:25] <Kilos> lol what a typo
[20:26] <Kilos> R49
[20:26] <kbmonkey> hey how did you type that upside-down 6?
[20:26] <Kilos> shift key at wrong times
[20:26] <Kilos> where
[20:27] <kbmonkey> my eyes are very tired
[20:27] <Kilos> forty nine
[20:27] <kbmonkey> hehe okay
[20:28] <Kilos> i go crash now
[20:28] <Kilos> night all , sleep tight
[20:31] <inetpro> superfly: you didn't bring up your topic again, did you come right?
[20:32] <superfly> no
[20:32] <inetpro> ai!
[20:32] <inetpro> no backups?
[20:33] <superfly> backups of everything except a few files, and those files are kinda key :-(
[20:33] <inetpro> eish!
[20:33] <superfly> like, the rest of the stuff is important too, but one of the things that didn't get backed up was the private key for the SSL cert
[20:33] <inetpro> ouch!
[20:34] <superfly> trying to see if AWS staff can help me get the disk image working again
[20:34] <inetpro> it crashed?
[20:35] <superfly> uh, no... the files in /etc ended up with incorrect permissions, and now the instance doesn't start up
[20:38] <inetpro> yikes, how does that happen?
[20:40] <inetpro> superfly: where did you blog about it?
[20:40] <superfly> I didn't. I looked at a blog about it
[20:40] <inetpro> ahh
[20:59] <Vince-0> !
[21:03] <superfly> inetpro: looks like I can reissue the cert
[21:03] <inetpro> nice!
[21:04] <superfly> so that's not too much of a problem. the bigger problem then is the other un-backed-up files
[21:04] <inetpro> hmm...
[21:04] <superfly> s/bigger/biggest/
[21:04] <superfly> but that's not a huge problem. the certificate problem is worse
[21:04] <superfly> so I guess I know what I'm doing for the next few hours
[21:05] <inetpro> good luck!
[21:05] <superfly> :-/