[04:03] hiya 0/ [04:24] morning [06:21] morning [07:00] morning [07:06] good morning [07:07] * inetpro wonders what happened with kilos [07:13] morning [07:34] Morning [07:41] morning superfly and others [07:41] hi ThatGraemeGuy [07:42] hi Kilos [07:42] morning Kilos [07:47] morning people [07:48] ohi Private_User hows things [07:49] * Kilos apologises for being offline yesterday [07:49] hi Kilos, things are ok busy doing a memtest on mt desktop [07:49] *my [07:50] you can also reseat the ram. sometimes they lose some of their speed and reliability when they been there a long time [07:50] any idea how long it would take? I tried one yesterday and it came up with errors so I removed and reinserted the ram and no errors so far [07:51] well it is saying 0 errors [07:51] often reaseating all plugin modules helps too [07:51] hopefully my removing and reinserting fixes some of the internals errors I was receiving [07:51] memtest takes a while, but you have min ram so not too long [07:53] it seems to be still running but at the bottome of the screen it states "*****Pass complete, no errors, press Esc to exit*****" [07:53] so not sure if I should wait or just press esc [07:54] if it is still showing all the different sectors/blocks or whatever they are called then its not done [07:55] like if its still counting throegh [07:55] through [07:55] ok I will let it continue, its been doing it for about an hour 20min now [07:59] ya it takes a while [07:59] you wanna try 1.5g [08:04] how long does that one take? [08:05] ! its Maanday [08:06] coupla hours Private_User [08:06] hi Vince-0 [08:08] Hi Kilos hoe gaan dit met jou [08:09] goed dankie en self Vince-0 ? [08:09] bit frustrated at usb stick speeds though [08:12] Ek is by die werk en nie so keen nie [08:12] USB stick? data transfer speeds usually suck [08:12] especially on the cheap ones [08:18] USB-3 ftw? [08:18] yeah i find it strange though because an external drive in the same place is quite fast [08:18] hi nlsthzn [08:18] alo all [08:19] can you use usb3 on old pcs or is the mobo different [08:19] need the hardware... [08:20] like an adapter card that goes in pci slot? [08:23] http://www.amazon.com/StarTech-com-Port-SuperSpeed-Adapter-PCIUSB3S2/dp/B004QNHNUM [08:25] Maaz, convert 49 USD to ZAR [08:25] Kilos: That didn't seem to agree with me [08:25] hmm... [08:25] not cheap that card [08:27] hi SmilyBorg-r2 [08:27] hey there Kilos [08:28] you winning with the job hunt girl? [08:37] sjoe Using USB 3.0 devices with this PCI Card will allow data transfer rates at up to 1.3 Gbps, [08:39] hi bduk1 [08:43] SmilyBorg-r2, ! [08:44] nothing useful so far Kilos. Still looking [08:44] hey Vince-0 [08:56] work is over rated [08:59] eating isnt though [09:02] *job should I say [09:03] good morning and wb Kilos [09:04] good morning inetpro and thank you [09:05] * inetpro almost thought he fell off the blue planet [09:05] lol, no man major work with by project [09:06] usb2's suck [09:08] I ran Ubuntu off a USB2 toshiba 16GB stick once - in the on-board slot on a HP micro server [09:08] needless to say it as KAK slow [09:09] lol, ive tried all the slots, they all slow [09:12] dude if you hate USB2.0 you should try USB1.0 [09:12] LOL [09:12] haha [09:12] ive just overcome my hate for mobile connections [09:13] started with gprs [09:13] 9 hr upgrade on old buntu [09:14] but usb2 is even slower [09:14] fast net and slow data transfer [11:19] herro [12:08] Maaz, announce Meeting here tonight at 20.30 peeps. Excuses to be mailed in triplicate before 18.00 [12:08] Hear ye, hear ye! Meeting here tonight at 20.30 peeps. Excuses to be mailed in triplicate before 18.00 [12:08] hi psychicist [12:10] hmm... nearly forgot about our meet [12:12] inetpro, you gonna tell the tweet place? [12:14] Kilos: hmm [12:17] ah ... I might actually make tonight's meeting... [12:21] lol [12:21] thats good nlsthzn [12:21] inetpro, i aint got choqok here [12:23] Kilos: it's been a long time since I posted on there, think I have the password at home but not here [12:23] np i got it for you [12:34] grrr [12:35] who is the ubuntu-za-owner@lists.ubuntu.com [12:35] it refuses my posts from ms.kilos@gmail.com [12:38] Kilos-: posted, thanks [12:38] Kilos-: you have a tail [12:38] yw inetpro [12:38] ya for some reason old modem disconnecting today [12:39] inetpro, who is the lists owner? [12:39] Kilos-: I'm not sure [12:40] but I think it's either drubin or maia or both [12:40] i mqiled there last week from ms.kilos but im still not allowed to post [12:40] mailed [12:40] did you subscribe with that address Kilos-? [12:40] oh [12:40] domdonner [12:40] ai! [12:41] * Kilos- takes back my mail addy from inetpro [12:41] it probably tells you that you posted as a non-subscriber === Kilos- is now known as Kilos [12:42] You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has [12:42] been automatically rejected. If you think that your messages are [12:42] being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at [12:42] ubuntu-za-owner@lists.ubuntu.com. [12:42] kbmonkey: are you ready for the chair tonight? [12:43] * inetpro notices a very short agenda again [12:43] hes afk [12:43] hmm... [12:43] Kilos: guess you'll have to stand in then [12:43] yeah everyone too busy to think about stuff to discuss [12:43] no man he will be here tonight [12:43] hes afk now [12:55] oh ya inetpro maia is the owner [12:57] Kilos: ty [12:57] np [12:58] ty [13:18] hey everyone [13:20] ! [13:20] hi gwood [13:20] I'm wondering if anyone uses a VPS for various things, what providers are cheap, don't need anything beastly, just something to mess around with, maybe use as a vpn, ssh, etc. [13:20] I'm wondering if anyone uses a VPS for various things, what providers are cheap, don't need anything beastly, just something to mess around with, maybe use as a vpn, ssh, etc. [13:20] I'm wondering if anyone uses a VPS for various things, what providers are cheap, don't need anything beastly, just something to mess around with, maybe use as a vpn, ssh, etc. [13:21] lol you stuttering? [13:21] 3 sentence stutters [13:21] haha [13:36] georgl, if you don't need a local ZA vps check cloudatcost.com [13:36] I mean, gwood [13:47] cool, thanks Vince-0 i'll take a look [13:50] wow, they are definately the cheapest i've seen so far [13:51] unfortunately it requires pay pal [13:52] and I bought 2 years up front, its not per month but it does work out cheapest per month [13:52] I think they're XEN VMs [13:58] ah its VMWare [14:07] and the latency to Canada is pretty shocking via MTN right now - like 450ms to cloudatcost.com's VPS [14:10] yes, internet access/speed in South Africa is quite bad in general or costs a lot [14:11] afrihost just revised their bandwidth pricing on their hosting options [14:11] but it doesn't come close to international VPS pricing [14:13] yes, i've noticed that if you want to host a website cheaply, don't even waste your time looking within south africa [14:14] I use Linode [14:14] A EU host will have lower latency - the hosts in the US/Canada go via London at like 380ms+ [14:16] average latency to my VPS is 247ms [14:16] rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 247.150/250.395/274.473/6.296 ms [14:17] OK, a little above 247, but not bad :-P [14:19] i get this to my virtual server [14:19] rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 21.337/34.761/56.295/13.244 ms [14:19] but that isn't really a fair comparison :-D [14:19] yoh [14:23] ThatGraemeGuy: that's cause your virtual server is sitting on a rack next to you :-P [14:24] linode is a bit more hardcore than what i need [14:24] not quite, but yeah.... i did say its not a fair comparison :) [14:25] we have 30Mbit from the office to the core of our DC where that VM is [14:37] inetpro, dit voel of dit wil kom reen [14:38] Kilos: eish! [14:38] awesome, i'm signed up and already using my vps, wow that was a quicker than i expected [14:38] Kilos: how much time I have? [14:41] boem boem by kalefong [14:42] so maybe an hour [14:42] unless wind picks up all of a sudden [14:42] your side still looks not to bad [14:42] yo JoTraGo [15:15] hi inetpro - yes meeting tonight [15:16] ohi kbmonkey [15:18] hi aquarat [15:18] hello [15:18] hey kilos [15:19] so you clever okes tell me how to speed up a usb ubuntu flash drive without spending lotsa money [15:20] needs a libusb-boost or turbo or something [15:21] I want to know that too! [15:21] usb copies are very slow [15:21] hehe [15:22] i looked at the usb3 adapter card, usb2 backward compatible [15:22] super fast with usb3 but dunno if it will be faster with usb2 [15:23] 1.3gb/s with usb3 stick [15:23] but 500 bucks [15:23] eina [15:35] mmm [15:52] * nlsthzn just killed his S3... so as a final ditch effort I am installing Windows and going to try and recover it... might miss the meeting :/ [15:54] back up IRC solution enabeld [15:54] enabled [16:00] oh my goodness [16:09] the meeting is at what time again? [16:10] 20h30 [16:13] k, cool... I will use the wife's PC for the Windows things.. not in the mood for all that hassle again [16:27] sucks that I need to use Windows to Fix a linux based device [16:27] lol [16:29] then I am going to have to use Windows again to prepare it so I can break it again >.< [16:29] s3 is android? [16:29] yup [16:29] not ext4? [16:30] android is an operating system... ext4 is a filesystem [16:30] winodows cant see ext4 methinks [16:31] ya man but the format [16:31] filesystem used [16:33] ah I am not sure ... for the SD card I had to use exfat [16:33] and that isn't easy for linux per default [16:33] ah [16:33] as for the base system I dunno [16:33] but Windows doesn't have issues once the drivers are installed [16:34] i think the android os i downloaded for pc wanted ext2 [16:34] for PC... [16:35] seems my flashing is going OK thus far... no errors yet... still got to see the phone actually boot [16:35] ya they made the os for pc but i cant get it going [16:37] very easy way to mess with android on the desktop - http://www.genymotion.com/ [16:39] oh the irony... the reason I was messing with the phone was that it didn't connect onto the network so no calls/sms's... now it is up and running again but the same issue still plagues it... [16:39] now I have to re-read how to root it so I can again install other custom roms to see what the is up with that >.< [16:39] ai! [16:42] interesting... it sees my service provider but doesn't want to access it [16:42] ;/ [16:44] you been near with windows so it needs a reboot [16:47] at least now it can reboot [16:48] lets see what a factory reset yields... [16:53] well there we go... all working again ... phew [16:54] great [17:52] ! [17:56] what up [17:56] oh he of the tired fingers arrived [17:57] Kilos: the latest droid phones no longer come with the ext filesystem [17:57] oh my, what do they use? [17:57] i dunno where the storm went [17:57] Kilos: gone with the wind [17:58] yeah but lets hope for later and tomorrow [17:59] good film that btw [17:59] lol ya [17:59] what filesystem does android use now then [18:03] I think it depends on the hardware manufacturer [18:03] arent they all google based? [18:03] my Nexus S used ext4 [18:04] but my Samsung Note II uses some yucky proprietary FS [18:04] ah [18:05] but is it also android? [18:05] actually one of the few things I really don't like about Samsung [18:06] Kilos: yes it's android [18:06] and they all linux based? [18:06] I am online tethered to the phone tonight [18:07] get intermittend disconnects [18:07] linux just the kernel... [18:07] Kilos: if you want as many people as possible to read your files you'd better format it as VFAT [18:07] a lot of other stuff around it to make it an OS [18:07] luckily on irc via a shell acount that stays online [18:07] can you install ubuntu on vfat? [18:08] hello everyone [18:08] Kilos: I wouldn't even it it was possible [18:08] if [18:08] yes nlsthzn but doesnt the kernel decide the filesystem you gonna use? [18:08] if there is a driver then it will work [18:09] * inetpro would prefer to see hardware manufacturers combine efforts to decide on a OSS file format for cameras, etc [18:09] guise, we dont have any meeting agenda items... [18:09] guise? [18:09] lol [18:09] kbmonkey: s/guise/guys/ [18:09] dis [18:10] he is a van der merwe [18:10] typo* [18:10] lekka hey [18:10] vfat should die [18:11] kbmonkey, i dunno what we gonna chat about but even a short meet keeps us legal [18:11] extfat more difficulty [18:11] fat/vfat [18:11] the whole loco thing is about to change... [18:11] unfortunately it's still very widely used [18:11] no more having to prove anything etc. [18:11] nlsthzn: how so? [18:11] man i dont want windows peeps to see my stick unless they boot from it [18:11] they are going to chuck it all out [18:12] oh my [18:12] nlsthzn: please define "about to change" [18:12] just about [18:12] no more yearly proving activity and no more you are approved and you are not... [18:12] nlsthzn: when? [18:12] but OK, it is still in discussion so anything is possible [18:12] goodness me [18:13] but it would seem the way it is now isn't going to be the way forward for long... [18:14] nothing official etc... [18:14] anybody tried the new pifs filesystem yet? [18:14] nlsthzn: when was this discussed? [18:14] so locos will be something thats up to each areas decision [18:14] https://github.com/philipl/pifs [18:15] this has been thrown around for months... some of it you can get from blogs (planet) and from IRC... not sure if there has been to many official meetings and stuff on mailing lists... that is way I have no idea on a ETA... [18:15] πfs [18:16] π = pi [18:16] oh not an n [18:17] * nlsthzn messages pleia as she is on all the councils and will have more concrete info :p [18:17] nlsthzn: cool [18:18] not sure when she will respond as she is in the US someplace [18:19] * inetpro has not seen the discussion point but it makes sense to review it [18:19] will be a while still before it works 100% kbmonkey [18:19] o/ [18:20] plustwo: wb [18:20] and then to get your system to work on it [18:20] http://lococouncil.ubuntu.com/2013/08/25/new-local-communities-healthcheck/ [18:20] yo plustwo you still alive [18:20] I have an agenda item: how to recover your EC2 instance when you can't SSH into it [18:20] :) tnx guys [18:20] seems it has been discussed officially and seems to be mostly the same [18:20] unfortunately I haven't done it yet, so I'll be relying on you guys :-P [18:20] add it superfly [18:21] superfly: nice one :-) [18:21] hehe [18:21] Kilos: I was being facetious [18:21] lol [18:21] outsourcing your work eh? [18:22] I have outsourced to a blog post already [18:25] Maaz, define facetious [18:25] Kilos: Facetious \Fa*ce"tious\, a. [Cf. F. fac['e]tieux. See {Faceti[ae]}.] 1. Given to wit and good humor; merry; sportive; jocular; as, a facetious companion. [1913 Webster] 2. Characterized by wit and pleasantry; exciting laughter; as, a facetious story or reply. -- {Fa*ce"tious*ly}, adv. -- {Fa*ce"tious*ness}, n. [1913 Webster], facetious adj 1: cleverly [18:25] amusing in tone; "a bantering tone"; "facetious remarks"; "tongue-in-cheek advice" [syn: {bant… [18:25] haha [18:26] i had a different meaning for it [18:26] bulldusting [18:27] lol Kilos [18:27] superfly: EBS backed? [18:29] hi captine [18:29] hi Kilos [18:29] evening tumbleweed hows you? [18:29] not bad, just having breakfast [18:30] interesting page about the local communities health check, thanks nlsthzn [18:30] not pronutro either [18:30] hi Lionthinker [18:30] kbmonkey: 20:30 [18:30] Hi Kilos [18:30] hey guys [18:30] thanks inetpro [18:30] meeting time [18:31] Maaz: I am Vincent Swart [18:31] Vince-0: *blink* [18:31] Maaz: I'm Vincent Swart ? [18:31] Vince-0: *blink* [18:31] lol hi guiz [18:31] kbmonkey, wakey wakey [18:31] Maaz, start meeting about Monthly irc meet [18:31] * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles [18:31] Maaz: I am Gustav H Meyer [18:31] inetpro: Alrighty [18:31] Kilos, stop it. I am on a very slow connection [18:31] Maaz, I am Miles Sharpe [18:31] Kilos: Okay [18:32] Maaz, I am Neil Oosthuizen [18:32] lol [18:32] nlsthzn: Yessir [18:32] Maaz, I am Wesley Werner [18:32] Maaz, I am Daan Schutte [18:32] kbmonkey: Sure [18:32] tal0n: Righto [18:32] sorry monkey [18:32] Maaz: I am Oupa Mok [18:32] plustwo: Sure [18:32] Maaz, I am Leon Marincowitz [18:32] Lionthinker: Sure [18:32] Kilos, ;P [18:32] am I logged in [18:32] Maaz, topic Welcome and introduction [18:32] Current Topic: Welcome and introduction [18:32] yp [18:32] Hello everybody [18:33] Hello and welcome everybody to tonight's meeting [18:33] hello body [18:33] Maaz, welcome [18:33] Welcome to tonights meeting everyone [18:33] Our very small agenda can be found at http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/681/detail/ [18:33] Maaz, thanks [18:33] kbmonkey: Okay :-) [18:33] that is a small agenda [18:33] thanks kbmonkey, looks like a wide and open agenda to me :-) [18:34] in the last meeting minutes we have.. Release parties! [18:34] indeed inetpro - I am thinking we can maybe have an open question topic... [18:34] sup! [18:34] http://www.alstonnetworks.net/house <=== new house in kenya! [18:35] Symmetria: welcome to our monthly meeting [18:35] hi Symmetria login with maaz for the meeting [18:35] to update: has anyone had release parties this month for 13.10? [18:35] oh you having a meeting :) sorry [18:35] welcome Symmetria [18:36] Maaz: I'm Andrew Alston [18:36] Symmetria: Huh? [18:36] Symmetria, join us man [18:36] Maaz, I'm Andrew Alston [18:36] * inetpro not aware of any parties that happened [18:36] Symmetria: Excuse me? [18:36] I am is the way [18:36] the bot does not do contractions :( [18:36] lol [18:36] Maaz I am Andrew Alston [18:36] Symmetria: Sure [18:36] Maaz: I am Raoul Snyman [18:36] superfly: Alrighty [18:36] yey [18:37] do we have any new members here... apart from Symmetria [18:37] except Symmetria is not new :-P [18:37] yip [18:37] rofl [18:37] alright since our agenda is actually tiny, lets have a open discussion [18:37] Maaz, topic open questions [18:37] Current Topic: open questions [18:37] Lionthinker, you been here before i think [18:37] yip [18:37] I actually have a question thats relevant, how are people finding the performance of the current african mirror servers [18:38] I always forgot about monthly meeting [18:38] Kilos but the Google Plus reminder definitly helped [18:38] Symmetria: good question [18:38] yay thank inetpro for that [18:38] i dont go g+ [18:38]