[00:00] <penguin42> haha, interestingly there is an abstractions/web-data under there that is set up to allow serving from /srv/www/htdocs
[00:01] <TheLordOfTime> penguin42, no, there's no apparmor profile installed by default
[00:01] <TheLordOfTime> enabled, disabled, or otherwise
[00:03] <penguin42> just something to think about, I kind of like it, it's perhaps not as powerful as SELinux  but it's a heck of a lot easier to work with
[00:03] <TheLordOfTime> penguin42, suggest it to Debian then
[00:03]  * TheLordOfTime has no say in what Debian does
[00:03] <penguin42> nod, does Debian build with apparmor these days?
[00:03] <TheLordOfTime> nfc
[00:04] <TheLordOfTime> i could ask around
[00:04] <TheLordOfTime> i don't think they do though
[00:04] <penguin42> shrug, only a thought
[00:04] <penguin42> It came from SUSE and I Ubuntu has had it for eyars
[00:04] <penguin42> years
[00:04] <TheLordOfTime> i'm guessint it doesnt
[00:04] <TheLordOfTime> based on the debian wiki
[00:04] <TheLordOfTime> https://wiki.debian.org/AppArmor/HowTo
[00:04] <TheLordOfTime> because the fact you have to install it suggests they don't ship with it installed by default
[00:05] <TheLordOfTime> LOL
[00:05] <TheLordOfTime> Find more profiles: ... ... ... in Ubuntu
[00:05] <penguin42> nod, the only way to actually get these things to work is if the profiles ship with the packages - otherwise the two diverge and things break
[00:08] <TheLordOfTime> since apparmor's disabled in debian by default, I think, i don't think there's packaging policy there to need an apparmor profile
[00:08] <TheLordOfTime> i could probably build a basic one for nginx-full with apparmor utils but i'm lazy and dont want to spin up my VMs.  (I'm not on my primary system)
[00:08] <penguin42> nod, except it is enabled in ubuntu - so hohum
[00:08] <TheLordOfTime> penguin42, is the additional delta needed, though? :P
[00:09] <TheLordOfTime> penguin42, we already have to merge nginx into trusty and dev-release because of a branding delta :p
[00:09] <TheLordOfTime> cjwatson knows that, he's handled the nginx merges since i apparently FAIL at it.
[00:10] <TheLordOfTime> penguin42, i'd suggest that since it was your suggestion you open an nginx bug in Debian about it, severity wishlist
[00:10] <TheLordOfTime> see what they say, they'll probably say "Hey, Thomas, what's your take on this?"
[00:10] <penguin42> ok, might do
[00:10] <TheLordOfTime> or, they'll say, "Why?  Apparmor isn't in Debian"
[00:10] <TheLordOfTime> or whatever else
[00:10] <TheLordOfTime> they know I'm subscribed to ALL nginx bugs in Debian
[00:11] <TheLordOfTime> against the source package and all binary packages.
[00:11] <TheLordOfTime> that's how i know CVE fixes came out xD
[00:17] <TheLordOfTime> penguin42, if you do file a bug for it, lemme know the bug number.
[00:17] <TheLordOfTime> because my email's delayed an hour
[00:17] <TheLordOfTime> (lag)
[00:17] <penguin42> ok will do
[00:18] <penguin42> an hour?!
[00:18] <TheLordOfTime> yes... an hour... high ping = bad on a train
[00:18] <TheLordOfTime> because i'm not actually at home xD
[00:18]  * TheLordOfTime is travelling and has hugely high ping
[00:18] <penguin42> oh right, I thought your NSA connection was backlogged
[00:18] <TheLordOfTime> lol
[18:36] <TheLordOfTime> what provides ubuntu-bug, is that apport?
[18:36] <penguin42> I think so
[18:36] <penguin42> yep, dpkg -S `which ubuntu-bug`
[18:45] <TheLordOfTime> penguin42, then isn't this filed wrong? https://bugs.launchpad.net/apport/+bug/1176899
[18:45] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1176899 in claws-mail (Ubuntu) "apport-bug crashes" [Undecided,New]
[18:45] <TheLordOfTime> that should be against apport AFAICT
[18:49]  * penguin42 picks up the shovel and digs through python backtrace
[18:49] <penguin42> TheLordOfTime: So my reading of that was that he was trying to report a bug on claws-mail when it crashed
[18:49] <TheLordOfTime> AIUI yes
[18:49] <TheLordOfTime> but apport was the one that crashed
[18:49] <penguin42> but it should be apport(ubuntu) I think rather than apport
[18:49] <TheLordOfTime> i can't remove the upstream project
[18:49] <TheLordOfTime> should we add apport(ubuntu)?
[18:50] <TheLordOfTime> if so i'll hit "continue" and add apport
[18:50] <penguin42> yeh I think so
[18:51] <TheLordOfTime> done
[18:51] <TheLordOfTime> penguin42, if we're wrong then meh someone can remove it or "Invalid" it, i'm pretty certain it's invalid against apport project, but not against apport (ubuntu)
[18:51]  * TheLordOfTime shrugs
[18:51] <penguin42> yeh agreed
[18:52] <hggdh> yes, it should be apport. The claws-mail crash is what -- probably -- started this apport-kde run
[18:52] <hggdh> er. apport (Ubuntu)
[18:53] <penguin42> it seems to have then fallen through something saying it can't open a browser and it's gone down hill from then and aborted somewhere
[18:53] <TheLordOfTime> hggdh, so should it *not* be against claws-mail?
[18:54] <TheLordOfTime> because that's a bug against apport, not the package that apport crashed when it tried to get data about
[18:54] <TheLordOfTime> right?
[18:54] <hggdh> yes
[18:54] <TheLordOfTime> hggdh, so, remove it from claws-mail because E: Not Correct, then.
[18:54]  * TheLordOfTime is on the page right now, can do so
[18:54] <hggdh> correct. I guess this is the one you were pointing to me yesterday?
[18:56] <TheLordOfTime> mhm
[18:56] <TheLordOfTime> well...
[18:56] <TheLordOfTime> the guy on the chat at least
[18:56] <TheLordOfTime> he pointed at that bug
[18:56] <hggdh> but this bug is, like, ooold
[18:57]  * TheLordOfTime shrugs
[18:57] <hggdh> he told me he would give me a backtrace (or stacktrace)
[18:57] <TheLordOfTime> hggdh, not sure if they filed it or not
[18:57] <TheLordOfTime> in any case they need to give more data, the ask ubuntu guy
[18:57] <hggdh> TheLordOfTime: I will wait for it
[18:57] <TheLordOfTime> in any case, though, that bug was incorrectly filed anyways, so triage duties complete for now.
[18:57] <hggdh> thanks
[18:58] <TheLordOfTime> yep.
[18:58] <TheLordOfTime> now, what to do about the snow...
[19:04] <hggdh> snow? What snow? Here we did not even get sleet...
[19:13] <TheLordOfTime> hggdh, there's snow here in Pittsburgh, PA, USA right now
[19:14] <TheLordOfTime> almost 2 inches now, but i kinda took a torch to the yard to melt the snow quickly.  now its ice on my sidewalk
[19:14] <TheLordOfTime> well, not really, but i needed to fast-melt some of the snow, ice is more manageable than snow
[19:14] <TheLordOfTime> because sidewalk salt
[19:16] <hggdh> heh. Yes, now I understand -- my son also lives in PA (State College)
[19:32] <TheLordOfTime> hggdh, yeah state college probably has it worse
[19:32] <TheLordOfTime> although i would hate to see how somerset is today...
[19:32] <TheLordOfTime> they always get hit hard with snow, because mountains
[19:33] <TheLordOfTime> 'course seven springs probably has nice skiing weather
[19:33] <TheLordOfTime> anyways, i digress, back to me being busy.
[19:37] <hggdh> LOL
[19:58]  * penguin42 has always preferred snow to ice, I can get a grip on snow