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| vats_monroe | hi guys i need some help | 03:36 |
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| vats_monroe | I was just at the ubuntu help channel but ir seems they ran out of ideas so can i pop a question | 03:36 |
| === philipballew is now known as philip | ||
| pitti | Good morning | 05:57 |
| pitti | pas les gens ici aujourd'hui :( | 08:51 |
| didrocks | non, personne | 08:51 |
| didrocks | ces slackers! | 08:51 |
| * pitti donne une accolade à didrocks, bonjour ! | 08:51 | |
| * didrocks donne une accolade en retour à pitti :) | 08:52 | |
| didrocks | ah, speaking of slackers, hey seb128! | 08:52 |
| * seb128 yawns, where is my coffee? | 08:52 | |
| seb128 | didrocks, hey | 08:52 |
| didrocks | ;) | 08:52 |
| didrocks | seb128: sorry to bother you before your coffee, but will you be upset if we disable use-conn by default for now? | 08:53 |
| didrocks | (as it was before you update it) | 08:53 |
| didrocks | there are two mission-control bugs: | 08:53 |
| seb128 | what is use-conn? | 08:53 |
| pitti | bonjour seb128 | 08:53 |
| seb128 | what is "it"? | 08:53 |
| didrocks | seb128: it == mission-control | 08:53 |
| seb128 | what's the issue? | 08:53 |
| didrocks | see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/telepathy-ofono/+bug/1252737 | 08:54 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1252737 in telepathy-ofono (Ubuntu) "[regression] Ubuntu touch cannot get GSM signal if not joined to a WLAN network" [Critical,Confirmed] | 08:54 |
| didrocks | basically, it seems to be linked to this use-conn gsettings key set to true (it was set to false because) | 08:54 |
| didrocks | but even if you set it to false, it works on the current session | 08:54 |
| didrocks | but if you reboot, the settings change isn't picked | 08:54 |
| didrocks | (another bug referenced in the bug) | 08:54 |
| didrocks | so I did a dummy patch for now and plan to get it tested/upload it: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/157638155/telepathy-mission-control-5_1%3A5.16.0-1ubuntu1_1%3A5.16.0-1ubuntu2~ppa1.diff.gz | 08:55 |
| didrocks | do you agree with this? ^ (take some minutes to catchup) | 08:55 |
| seb128 | didrocks, do whatever change you need, at the condition that you open upstream bug reports for your issues | 08:56 |
| seb128 | that change seems fine to me | 08:56 |
| didrocks | seb128: yeah, there is one for not picking the key, on the other one, I need to dive more with phonefundations first | 08:57 |
| didrocks | so that we know about the direct cause->consequence | 08:57 |
| didrocks | seb128: thanks! :) | 08:57 |
| seb128 | yw, sorry that the update created issues | 08:58 |
| didrocks | seb128: well, TBH, very very hard to get | 08:58 |
| seb128 | btw if you need help the #telepathy guys are nice | 08:58 |
| didrocks | seb128: but it will be nice to have an integration test for that | 08:58 |
| seb128 | right | 08:58 |
| didrocks | seb128: yeah, I tried to ping cassidy, but I guess he's sleeping still :) | 08:58 |
| seb128 | smcv is the main is the main maintainer for that code I think | 08:59 |
| seb128 | he's the one who did what looks like the recent changes | 08:59 |
| seb128 | e.g http://cgit.freedesktop.org/telepathy/telepathy-mission-control/commit/?id=e6974e3dac274982dedcb5451106473dea3294fd | 08:59 |
| seb128 | though cassidy reviewed it | 08:59 |
| didrocks | yeah | 09:00 |
| didrocks | hence the ping, better when you know people | 09:00 |
| seb128 | https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=72003 | 09:00 |
| ubot2 | Freedesktop bug 72003 in mission-control "use-conn setting not working correctly" [Normal,New] | 09:00 |
| seb128 | I guess that's the bug you were refering to earlier? | 09:00 |
| Laney | gooood morning | 09:01 |
| seb128 | Laney, good morning! how are you? | 09:02 |
| didrocks | seb128: right | 09:02 |
| didrocks | that's only the second part of it | 09:02 |
| didrocks | as the first is to understand why use-conn = true prevents GSM being on | 09:03 |
| Laney | seb128: chilly but good thanks | 09:03 |
| Laney | you? | 09:03 |
| seb128 | same | 09:03 |
| seb128 | it has been freezing this night | 09:03 |
| pitti | la première neige ici | 09:06 |
| Laney | yeah I was out on my bike last night | 09:06 |
| Laney | brrr | 09:06 |
| pitti | Laney: me too; full winter equipment now :( | 09:06 |
| pitti | thick gloves, cap, scarf, and an extra pullover | 09:06 |
| Laney | got some overshoes for the first time this year, they are quite helpful | 09:08 |
| didrocks | seb128: oh, in case you didn't notice, indicators are in | 09:18 |
| didrocks | thanks to cyphermox :) | 09:18 |
| seb128 | didrocks, yeah, I noticed, thanks ;-) | 09:18 |
| seb128 | seems like the e-d-s/samba/libav transition is still in proposed though | 09:18 |
| didrocks | yeah | 09:19 |
| Laney | seb128: you could process https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kmediafactory/+bug/1254011 to help that | 09:30 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1254011 in libomxil-components (Ubuntu) "remove from ubuntu archive - never in debian, no upstream ports to libav9 / dead upstream" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 09:30 |
| Laney | ;-) | 09:31 |
| seb128 | Laney, xnox: done | 09:35 |
| xnox | thanks \o/ | 09:37 |
| Laney | :D | 09:39 |
| darkxst | Laney, hey | 09:48 |
| darkxst | is the gjs with autopkg tests SRU'able to saucy? | 09:49 |
| Laney | probably not worth it | 09:50 |
| Laney | I don't think they're run | 09:50 |
| darkxst | Laney, saucy never got the final release of gjs] | 09:52 |
| darkxst | so there are a bunch of bug fixes in there as well | 09:53 |
| Laney | oh something other than the tests | 09:53 |
| Laney | I see, then it should be doable | 09:53 |
| darkxst | Laney, right, but should I just leave the tests in there, or strip them out? | 09:54 |
| Laney | I think the SRU team would probably prefer it to be minimal | 09:54 |
| Laney | so just the upstream bump and packaging changes needed for that | 09:54 |
| darkxst | ok | 09:54 |
| seb128 | Laney, xnox: so, what's missing now in the transition? e.g why are evolution-mapi and tb on the unhappy list? | 10:03 |
| Mirv | pitti: any connection possibly with "./configure: line 1951: config.log: Permission denied" and not yet having the 2.5.1 autopkgtest release fix? http://d-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/view/Trusty/view/AutoPkgTest/job/trusty-adt-dbus-test-runner/ARCH=amd64,label=adt/6/console | 10:03 |
| Mirv | psivaa: ^ | 10:03 |
| pitti | Mirv: yes, ignore it please | 10:03 |
| pitti | Mirv: I'll retry the three recently failed tests as soon as autopkgtest 2.5.1 is in | 10:03 |
| xnox | seb128: the security update of thunderbird got copied up, which did an override of my "| new-abi" package dep. | 10:03 |
| Mirv | pitti: ok, thanks! | 10:03 |
| psivaa | Mirv: thanks | 10:03 |
| seb128 | xnox, :-( | 10:03 |
| Laney | I don't think mapi is unhappy, but tb lost the change | 10:04 |
| seb128 | Laney, why is mapi listed then? | 10:04 |
| Laney | but the change wasn't right anyway, so it's not so bad :-) | 10:04 |
| pitti | psivaa: ^ I'm on it, autopkgtest bug | 10:04 |
| * seb128 is never going to understand the output page | 10:04 | |
| Laney | it is | 10:04 |
| Laney | look at Trying easy from autohinter: libebml/1.3.0-2 … | 10:04 |
| psivaa | pitti: ack. thank you. | 10:04 |
| psivaa | pitti: do you have a bug number for that? | 10:05 |
| xnox | I only see: fgrun, mytharchive, mythplugins, octave-psychtoolbox-3, psychtoolbox-3-dbg, samba4, samba4-clients, samba4-common-bin, samba4-testsuite, thunderbird-gnome-support, thunderbird-gnome-support-dbg, thunderbird-testsuite, winbind4 | 10:05 |
| xnox | which is | 10:05 |
| xnox | .. | 10:05 |
| pitti | psivaa: I didn't file one, not sure if someone else did | 10:05 |
| xnox | fgrun, mytv, psychtoolbox-3, samba4, thunderbird | 10:05 |
| pitti | psivaa: but I'm subscribed to autopkgtest bugs and there was none | 10:05 |
| psivaa | pitti: ok, just wanted to know, if you are actively looking into this already that's fine by me | 10:06 |
| pitti | psivaa: yes, fix is uploaded, just waiting for the archive grinders now | 10:06 |
| pitti | psivaa: and I'll restart the tests which failed to that as soon as that happened | 10:06 |
| pitti | failed "due" to that | 10:06 |
| psivaa | pitti: great. thank you :) | 10:06 |
| Laney | xnox: have you looked into any of those (the first three)? | 10:32 |
| xnox | Laney: myth -> ftbfs, needs "porting" from ffmpeg -> either internal "mythffmepg" or to avconv from libav-tools package. | 10:35 |
| xnox | Laney: the ftbfs, made fixing hard. | 10:35 |
| Laney | you mean it ftbfs even without the transition? | 10:35 |
| xnox | Laney: yes. ftbfs in trusty-release. | 10:35 |
| xnox | (errors at configure step =/ ) | 10:36 |
| Laney | bah | 10:36 |
| Laney | told superm1? | 10:36 |
| xnox | Laney: psychtoolbox-3 wants to start libglew transition, which I'd rather avoid. | 10:36 |
| xnox | Laney: but i couldn't figure out the route cause why it becomes uninstallable. | 10:36 |
| xnox | (the version that is in -proposed that is) | 10:37 |
| xnox | Laney: fgrun - no idea / can't remember. | 10:37 |
| xnox | Laney: no, i haven't contacted superm1 about it. | 10:37 |
| Laney | might be worth it, maybe a new snapshot helps at least the ftbfs | 10:40 |
| * Laney looks at fgrun | 10:43 | |
| seb128 | you guys look at the remaining items in that transition? can I help on anything? | 10:45 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, hey, how are you? | 10:45 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, did you look at how easy it would be to make tb work with the new eds in trusty? | 10:45 |
| Laney | I tried to build the psychtoolbox-3 that's in trusty-release and it also fails | 10:46 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128, not yet. i've not had any time just yet | 10:47 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, it's one of the few remaining blockers for the e-d-s samba openchanges transition, that's blocking quite a part of the archive in trusty-proposed :/ | 10:48 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, when do you think you are going to have time for it? | 10:48 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128, will have a quick look this afternoon | 10:48 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, thanks | 10:48 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, should we just turn off that code temporary otherwise? | 10:49 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128, that's probably what i will end up doing ;) | 10:49 |
| Laney | fgrun works with the patch from the Debian bug | 10:50 |
| Laney | oh, haha, that's not even libav - it's yet another transition | 10:51 |
| Laney | entanglement is no fun | 10:51 |
| Laney | might as well NMU that | 10:53 |
| mpt | Wellark, do you plan for indicator-network to ship in Ubuntu for PC in 14.04? | 11:06 |
| seb128 | mpt, dunno what he plans, but Ubuntu Desktop doesn't plan to take it in the desktop edition | 11:10 |
| mpt | ok | 11:11 |
| seb128 | mpt, it's too new/not tested enough/lacking "enterprise features" | 11:12 |
| Laney | blerg, getting bogged down in transition details in debian | 11:12 |
| * Laney just uploads to trusty | 11:12 | |
| seb128 | sil2100, hey | 11:42 |
| Wellark | mpt: indicator-network will not ship by default on the desktop | 11:56 |
| mpt | Wellark, 14.10? | 11:56 |
| Wellark | mpt: 14.10 is so far away | 12:03 |
| Wellark | who knows ;) | 12:03 |
| sil2100 | seb128: hi! | 12:03 |
| sil2100 | seb128: any issues with the package? | 12:04 |
| sil2100 | (I assume yes ;) ) | 12:04 |
| Wellark | mpt: but sure. let's aim for indicator-network to be the default for 14.10 and onwards | 12:04 |
| seb128 | sil2100, yes, why is it named "unity-scopes" when the Vcs is "unity-scopes-api" | 12:04 |
| seb128 | sil2100, the source package I mean | 12:04 |
| mpt | ok | 12:04 |
| Wellark | fully converged | 12:04 |
| sil2100 | Oooh, ok, that's a bug | 12:04 |
| seb128 | sil2100, didn't we say upstream sources and Ubuntu package names need to be identical? | 12:05 |
| sil2100 | seb128: I'll rename it to unity-scopes-api | 12:05 |
| seb128 | sil2100, thanks | 12:05 |
| seb128 | sil2100, otherwise it looks good (packaging, licenses, etc) | 12:05 |
| seb128 | sil2100, good work ;-) | 12:05 |
| sil2100 | Thank you! Soon maybe I'll be able to do a packaging review without leaving out any of the important parts ;p | 12:06 |
| seb128 | sil2100, your packages are mostly good nowadays, that one is not even a blocker for the archive ... it's just a naming inconsistency, which is probably good to resolve before upload | 12:10 |
| didrocks | well, cu2d won't like it otherwise :) | 12:12 |
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| Laney | seb128: do you think we can remove psychtoolbox-3 from proposed so I can upload an older version? | 13:01 |
| Laney | I got one based on trusty-release which builds | 13:02 |
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| seb128 | Laney, (back from lunch) Does that work with launchpad, publishing an older version in proposed? | 13:16 |
| Laney | yeah | 13:16 |
| seb128 | ok, let me remove the current one then | 13:17 |
| Laney | means we won't be able to have the same version again though | 13:17 |
| Laney | so can't sync it in the future | 13:17 |
| Laney | not a big issue imo | 13:17 |
| seb128 | indeed not | 13:17 |
| seb128 | why is the new version problematic? | 13:17 |
| Laney | glew transition | 13:17 |
| Laney | requires one | 13:17 |
| seb128 | oh, yet another transition | 13:17 |
| seb128 | great :p | 13:17 |
| Laney | yeah, leave that one for later ... | 13:18 |
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| seb128 | Laney, done | 13:20 |
| Laney | great, ty | 13:21 |
| seb128 | yw! | 13:21 |
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| jdstrand | xnox: regarding tbird: oh, crud, that was me. are you fixing it? if not, let me | 13:50 |
| Laney | jdstrand: it needs porting, the previous fix was incomplete | 13:51 |
| jdstrand | er | 13:51 |
| jdstrand | f | 13:51 |
| Laney | chris was going to have a look this afternoon | 13:52 |
| jdstrand | Laney: does that mean it was actually broken before still? | 13:52 |
| desrt | good morning! | 13:52 |
| Laney | I didn't try it, but seems likely you'd have had errors at runtime | 13:52 |
| jdstrand | ie, 1:24.0+build1-0ubuntu2 was busted | 13:52 |
| jdstrand | ok | 13:52 |
| desrt | seb128: sanity check. how long until meeting? | 13:52 |
| Laney | 97 | 13:52 |
| jdstrand | well, I guess you could say I pointed a spotlight at it :) | 13:53 |
| seb128 | desrt, hey, 1h38 | 13:53 |
| desrt | !! | 13:53 |
| mlankhorst | desrt: date -u ;) | 13:53 |
| Laney | yeah, go grab an extra 90 minutes of sleep | 13:53 |
| desrt | nah. i have to drive to hamilton. better drive fast :) | 13:53 |
| Laney | wtf | 13:54 |
| Laney | mythtv configure fails. Go into the chroot and run the same command. mythtv configure passes. | 13:55 |
| xnox | jdstrand: don't worry about it. thunderbird does work in trusty, it's borked in trusty-proposed as all things in trusty-proposed should =) | 13:57 |
| xnox | =) | 13:57 |
| jdstrand | ok, good | 14:00 |
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| seb128 | shotwell migrated their bugs to b.g.o | 14:24 |
| seb128 | one nice side effect is that we are going to be able to watch upstream bug from launchpad, since bugzilla is supported where redmine was not | 14:25 |
| seb128 | the way they did the import sucks though, they shuffled all comments/history in one chunk of text without formatting, which is really not nice to read :/ | 14:26 |
| seb128 | e.g https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=719240 | 14:27 |
| ubot2 | Gnome bug 719240 in ux "Publishing dialog can be minimized in Unity" [Normal,New] | 14:27 |
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| seb128 | tjaalton, mlankhorst, xorg guys: can you review the xserver-xorg-video-* sync requests in the sponsoring queue and ack/nack those? | 15:01 |
| seb128 | syncpackage them if acked btw | 15:01 |
| seb128 | thanks | 15:01 |
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| mlankhorst | seb128: I want to wait with syncing until we decide on xorg1.15 or not | 15:10 |
| mlankhorst | but meh fine lets sync | 15:10 |
| seb128 | mlankhorst, why? we can do no changes rebuilds for those 10 sources if needed | 15:10 |
| Laney | syncpackage has an option for sponsnoring | 15:10 |
| * mlankhorst can always add a buildXXX for a rebuild | 15:10 | |
| seb128 | right | 15:10 |
| Laney | don't forget to use it! | 15:10 |
| seb128 | -b <bug> -s <user> | 15:11 |
| seb128 | use that | 15:11 |
| seb128 | mlankhorst, ^ | 15:11 |
| mlankhorst | fine i'll look :P | 15:12 |
| seb128 | thanks | 15:12 |
| Laney | xnox: got mythtv to build (ccache fail), now to look for a libav patch I guess ... | 15:13 |
| xnox | Laney: i think they recommend to use "mythffmpeg", if normal "ffmpeg" binary is not available. But I see plenty of places only looking up "ffmpeg" and not falling back to "mythffmpeg" / "avconv". | 15:15 |
| Laney | xnox: only the mytharchive plugin has a dependency on ffmpeg | 15:20 |
| Laney | AFAICS | 15:20 |
| xnox | correct. | 15:21 |
| Laney | where do you see a problem? | 15:22 |
| sil2100 | kenvandine: ping! | 15:26 |
| sil2100 | kenvandine: can you take a look https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/cupstream2distro-config/enable_unity-scopes-api/+merge/196729 ? | 15:27 |
| kenvandine | sil2100, sure | 15:27 |
| sil2100 | kenvandine: thanks! | 15:27 |
| xnox | Laney: well $ grep -e '"ffmpeg"' -e "'ffmpeg'" -r . bring up plenty of results, most are false positivies, but some are real. The mytharchive itself, seems to use mythffmpeg, so the dependency is errours? | 15:28 |
| Kaleo | dist-upgrade from today on trusty and I lost my desk top | 15:28 |
| Kaleo | can somebody help me? typing from phone not convenient | 15:28 |
| seb128 | Kaleo, what happens? | 15:28 |
| Laney | xnox: I didn't look elsewhere in the code :P | 15:28 |
| seb128 | Kaleo, is guest session working? | 15:28 |
| Kaleo | lightdm starts | 15:29 |
| xnox | Laney: but e.g. the sql dump (wherever that is used) brings up at least: MythArchiveFfmpegCmd 'ffmpeg' | 15:29 |
| Kaleo | shows normal screen for split second | 15:29 |
| Kaleo | then black screen with a dialogue | 15:29 |
| xnox | Laney: which suggests to me that actually it's configured at the moment to use ffmpeg instead of mythffmpeg. | 15:29 |
| seb128 | Kaleo, what is the dialog saying? | 15:29 |
| Kaleo | "running in low graphics mode" | 15:29 |
| Kaleo | then I click ok | 15:29 |
| xnox | Laney: to be honest, I'd drop the dependancy & open a critical bug saying that "if one is using ffmpeg, they should be somehow migrated off it" and to "avconv" or "mythffmpeg" | 15:30 |
| seb128 | Kaleo, what video card/driver do you use? | 15:30 |
| qengho | 15:30 UTC. Meeting? | 15:30 |
| Laney | xnox: Will look a bit more after $meeting | 15:30 |
| Kaleo | then ubresponsive dialogue with 4 choices | 15:30 |
| seb128 | qengho, yes | 15:30 |
| Kaleo | I'm on Intel GPU | 15:30 |
| xnox | Laney: cause who knowns where/what implies if codec == 'ffmpeg' exec(codec) | 15:30 |
| seb128 | Kaleo, my guess is that you install libhybris or something when testing some touch stuff | 15:30 |
| seb128 | Kaleo, which is diverting libgl or such | 15:31 |
| Laney | there's loads of random perl scripts that look like they run ffmpeg and so on | 15:31 |
| Laney | bah | 15:31 |
| ritz | Kaleo, I am on trusty, today's update | 15:31 |
| seb128 | qengho, Sweetsha1k, mlankhorst, Laney, tkamppeter_, desrt, attente, larsu: hey, it's meeting time | 15:31 |
| Kaleo | seb128: let me check | 15:31 |
| seb128 | Kaleo, check /var/log/dpkg.log for new packages installed | 15:31 |
| desrt | MEETING | 15:32 |
| desrt | !! | 15:32 |
| seb128 | desrt, heh, you made it! | 15:32 |
| seb128 | let's get started ;-) | 15:32 |
| seb128 | qengho, hey | 15:32 |
| desrt | seb128: with lots of time to spare :) | 15:32 |
| qengho | Hey guys. | 15:32 |
| qengho | * UDS last week. Interest: 1) Webapps. 2) Privacy. | 15:32 |
| qengho | * Prepared new release of chromium-browser for #security. Testing. | 15:32 |
| qengho | * To do: enforce apparmor on the SUID part of chromium. Kind of scary. | 15:32 |
| qengho | EOF | 15:32 |
| mlankhorst | sponsoring done, enjoy the non-updates :P | 15:34 |
| seb128 | qengho, thanks | 15:34 |
| seb128 | Sweetsha1k, hey | 15:34 |
| seb128 | no Sweetsha1k? | 15:35 |
| seb128 | mlankhorst, hey | 15:35 |
| mlankhorst | UDS, reviewing kernel drm code, sru verification, preparing mesa 10 for debian-experimental and ubuntu (grab it now at ppa:canonical-x/x-staging only required a workaround for a single armhf linker bug!!! :D) | 15:35 |
| mlankhorst | and some sponsoring ;) | 15:36 |
| seb128 | mlankhorst, thanks | 15:36 |
| seb128 | Laney, hey | 15:37 |
| Laney | HELLO! | 15:37 |
| Laney | • vUDS | 15:37 |
| Laney | • Wrangling e-d-s/evolution transition | 15:37 |
| Laney | ∘ Still looking into mythtv | 15:37 |
| Laney | • Quite a few merges | 15:37 |
| Laney | • A tough time with webkitgtk. arm64 still sad. Need porterbox please :( | 15:37 |
| Laney | • Couple of small u-s-s merges | 15:37 |
| Laney | ∘ Show regulatory-info if there's a plugin available | 15:37 |
| Laney | ∘ Fix for some build system / lintian issues | 15:37 |
| Laney | ∘ Start looking into charge graph & learning canvas API. There's a resizing bug (rotate your phone to see it) & another problem where if you start u-s-s straight into the battery panel the graph is messed up / doesn't appear... | 15:37 |
| Laney | • Submit AS patches upstream | 15:37 |
| Laney | • GStreamer point release updates | 15:37 |
| Laney | EOF | 15:37 |
| seb128 | Laney, what AS patches? | 15:38 |
| Laney | overrides for vendor extensions | 15:38 |
| * desrt raises an eyebrow | 15:38 | |
| desrt | AS? | 15:38 |
| Laney | AS! | 15:38 |
| desrt | AS.... | 15:38 |
| desrt | AS in... | 15:38 |
| Laney | anyway... | 15:39 |
| desrt | :) | 15:39 |
| Kaleo | seb128: that was not the issue; btw sent you pic by email | 15:39 |
| * desrt . o O ( one day, i will find out what AS means... ) | 15:39 | |
| seb128 | Laney, I guess I didn't follow that work | 15:39 |
| seb128 | desrt, accountsservice | 15:39 |
| desrt | ahhh | 15:39 |
| desrt | of course. thanks :) | 15:39 |
| Laney | I talked about it with some people in oak | 15:39 |
| Laney | oh haha, I thought you were joking | 15:39 |
| desrt | Laney: link me up to those patches. i'll take a look to see if i can help. | 15:40 |
| Laney | think you were subscribed to the bug | 15:40 |
| * desrt didn't see anything | 15:40 | |
| Laney | okies | 15:40 |
| seb128 | Laney, I'm interested by the bug number as well, just to know what we are talking about | 15:41 |
| seb128 | I followed the vendor work | 15:41 |
| seb128 | but not what we need overrides for | 15:41 |
| * desrt is slightly suspicious | 15:41 | |
| Laney | Kind of the same as gsettings overrides | 15:41 |
| desrt | i have a feeling that vendor overrides to vendor extensions may not be popular with upstream :) | 15:42 |
| Laney | If we're shoving more and more stuff into AS then it probably will be useful at some point | 15:42 |
| Laney | some OEM team person was going on about it, forgot who | 15:42 |
| Laney | and yeah, Stef sounded suspicious | 15:42 |
| desrt | Laney: iirc, the way i wrote the accountsservice patch is that it will throw an exception if you don't declare a default value on a property and it's not set, right? | 15:42 |
| Laney | not sure | 15:43 |
| desrt | maybe it would be better just to let apps that i want to have the possibility of overrides grab the exception and implement their own mechanism | 15:43 |
| desrt | Laney: i can't imagine i did it any other way... all of the other options would have upset me too much :p | 15:43 |
| Laney | I mean that I didn't check :-) | 15:44 |
| * desrt will take a look at the bug if you send a link along | 15:44 | |
| Laney | It does what you'd expect, but probably with some shitty code and bugs: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=71393 | 15:44 |
| ubot2 | Freedesktop bug 71393 in general "Overrides for vendor extensions" [Normal,Needinfo] | 15:44 |
| * desrt pictures stefw "...this is what happens when you say yes..." | 15:45 | |
| seb128 | ok, let's discuss specific details after the meeting if needed | 15:45 |
| Laney | might want to move on with the meeting | 15:45 |
| Laney | :P | 15:45 |
| seb128 | Laney, thanks | 15:45 |
| seb128 | desrt, thanks as well | 15:45 |
| seb128 | (btw that shows that meetings are useful ;-) | 15:45 |
| seb128 | tkamppeter_, hey | 15:46 |
| desrt | yup | 15:46 |
| larsu | seb128: we already know this meeting is useful ;) | 15:46 |
| Laney | yeah it stops me having cocktails by the pool for 30 minutes | 15:46 |
| seb128 | lol | 15:47 |
| seb128 | no tkamppeter_? | 15:47 |
| seb128 | desrt, your turn then ;-) | 15:47 |
| desrt | sweet | 15:47 |
| desrt | going back two weeks, lots of glib bug fixing | 15:47 |
| desrt | including finally slaying that ppc test failure issue | 15:47 |
| desrt | turned out to be a bug in valgrind | 15:47 |
| desrt | we have a patch to work around that that the debian guys are applying.... i don't want to merge it upstream because it would diverge our copy of valgrind.h from the upstream version... so there is a valgrind bug open which is mostly being ignored, meanwhile :/ | 15:48 |
| seb128 | glib build-depends on valgrind? | 15:48 |
| desrt | it has an in-tree copy of valgrind.h | 15:48 |
| desrt | and this file contains a bug on ppc | 15:48 |
| desrt | basically, valgrind has these macros to detect if valgrind is running | 15:49 |
| seb128 | I see | 15:49 |
| desrt | that emit magic sequences of machine instructions that would never otherwise be emitted by the compiler | 15:49 |
| larsu | "never" | 15:49 |
| desrt | that valgrind can notice and say "ah! you must want to talk to me..." | 15:49 |
| desrt | anyway... those instructions are _supposed_ to be no-ops when valgrind isn't running | 15:49 |
| desrt | but the asm sequence on PPC clobbers the r0 register | 15:49 |
| desrt | which can lead to all kinds of problems if r0 was being used to store something important.... like pointers to memory in the slice allocator... | 15:50 |
| seb128 | "fun" | 15:50 |
| desrt | ya.. | 15:50 |
| desrt | real party time | 15:50 |
| desrt | case closed in any case, just have to wait to see what happens upstream | 15:50 |
| desrt | this week i got a request from the phone guys to improve the story of overrides (noticing a theme here?) | 15:51 |
| desrt | they want to use dconf for vendors to do lockdown and such.... i'm about to give up and just support that | 15:51 |
| desrt | but i want to do it properly: overrides in the xdg data dirs, etc. plus better tools to support compiling databases to install there | 15:51 |
| seb128 | cool | 15:52 |
| desrt | as a bit of a side-track when working on that stuff i've been improving test coverage in dconf and generally improving the tools... | 15:52 |
| desrt | including adding support that when you give a bad value with gvariant, you get nicer output | 15:52 |
| desrt | [1, 2, 'str'] | 15:52 |
| desrt | ^ ^^^^^ like this | 15:52 |
| larsu | and then you abort() | 15:52 |
| desrt | so i did patches for that for gdbus, gsettings, dconf, gapplication commandline tools | 15:52 |
| desrt | larsu: not on invalid input to commandline tools.... exit(1) is enough :) | 15:53 |
| seb128 | lol | 15:53 |
| larsu | :) | 15:53 |
| desrt | anyway... that's all | 15:53 |
| seb128 | desrt, thanks | 15:53 |
| seb128 | attente, hey | 15:53 |
| attente | seb128, hey | 15:53 |
| attente | the past 2 weeks: UDS, IM/keyboard layouts planning, small fixes to i-kb, u-g-m, themes, refactoring the u-s-s language panel code, trying to get the modifier-only input switching ppa merged upstream, starting with compiz | 15:53 |
| attente | currently trying to debug a u-g-m crash | 15:54 |
| larsu | attente: as always, let me know if you need help with that | 15:55 |
| attente | larsu, you really don't like overlay-scrollbars, don't you :P | 15:55 |
| larsu | attente: (a) no; (b) I think I'm done with that; (c) just trying to be nice ;) | 15:56 |
| Laney | haha | 15:56 |
| larsu | oh I forgot: (d) really, no! | 15:56 |
| seb128 | attente, thanks ;-) | 15:57 |
| seb128 | larsu, your turn | 15:57 |
| larsu | seb128: ok | 15:57 |
| larsu | I actually wasn't terribly productive this last week | 15:57 |
| larsu | being kind of stuck on the overlay-scrollbar issue | 15:57 |
| larsu | which is done as of today | 15:57 |
| larsu | (I think) | 15:58 |
| desrt | death to overlay scrollbars!! | 15:58 |
| seb128 | \o/ | 15:58 |
| larsu | also did a few minor changes to the 3.10 update | 15:58 |
| seb128 | you manage to get those working as before? | 15:58 |
| ritz | yay ! | 15:58 |
| seb128 | or did you have to drop animations and stuff on the way? | 15:58 |
| larsu | and a couple of bug fixes in appmenu/messages that people pinged me about | 15:58 |
| larsu | seb128: no, works as before | 15:58 |
| desrt | long live overlay scrollbars!! | 15:58 |
| seb128 | larsu, you are a rockstar | 15:59 |
| larsu | I tried to find the most minimally-intrusive solution | 15:59 |
| larsu | and it's a very small patch now | 15:59 |
| attente | oh, nice | 15:59 |
| larsu | which makes me happy (because I probably didn't break that much( | 15:59 |
| larsu | seb128: well, let's wait... | 15:59 |
| larsu | desrt: bah | 15:59 |
| * desrt watches larsu minimise his liabilities under the international 'touched it last' convention | 15:59 | |
| larsu | yep, just trying to keep bzr blame | grep larsu | wc -l as small as possible | 16:00 |
| desrt | :) | 16:00 |
| seb128 | larsu, let me know when you have things to test | 16:00 |
| desrt | larsu: does that mean we're more or less unblocked on gtk 3.10? | 16:00 |
| larsu | seb128: I'll upload it after the indicator meeting (which starts now) | 16:00 |
| larsu | desrt: yes | 16:00 |
| desrt | nice | 16:00 |
| larsu | desrt: well, there's that install issue on a pbuilder iirc | 16:00 |
| desrt | time to start bothering laney about the new glib, then :) | 16:00 |
| seb128 | larsu, thanks | 16:01 |
| seb128 | great news | 16:01 |
| desrt | which (as i mentioned to him privately) is going to be needed for the dconf stuff (along with new dconf) for the features the phone guys want | 16:01 |
| seb128 | ok, so my turn | 16:01 |
| seb128 | * vUDS (hosting a track sucks, lot of "being around for session even if not participating to the discussion") | 16:01 |
| seb128 | * some desktop merges, updates and bug fixes | 16:01 |
| seb128 | * e.u.c triaging/pinging people/opening bugs | 16:01 |
| seb128 | * some more thinking/discussions about keyboards/ibus/fcitx | 16:01 |
| seb128 | * helped testing new e-d-s and uoa, upstreamed calendar bug, backported upstream fix for it | 16:01 |
| seb128 | * some reports/discussions about having traditional menubars for GNOME apps under Unity | 16:01 |
| seb128 | * some u-d-s reviews | 16:01 |
| larsu | desrt: have a look at the testsuit/gtk/Makefile.am if you get some time. I think its wrong but didn't have time to investigate yet | 16:02 |
| seb128 | * bug triage/trying to find issues we need to solve for the LTS | 16:02 |
| seb128 | </week> | 16:02 |
| chrisccoulson | * poking chrisccoulson about thunderbird | 16:02 |
| chrisccoulson | ;) | 16:02 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, how is that going btw? ;-) | 16:02 |
| desrt | chrisccoulson: nice to have you around these parts a bit more lately :) | 16:02 |
| chrisccoulson | heh :) | 16:02 |
| Laney | s/u-d-s/u-s-s/? | 16:02 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128, going to look shortly ;) | 16:02 |
| larsu | seb128: ARGH we're reverting to traditional menu bars on GNOME apps? | 16:02 |
| larsu | which means... all apps | 16:02 |
| desrt | oh. i wrote a wiki page about that | 16:03 |
| desrt | http://wiki.gnome.org/HowDoI/FallbackMenubar has some initial ideas for how this can work | 16:03 |
| seb128 | larsu, "all" being like 5 apps we get from GNOME ? | 16:03 |
| desrt | https://wiki.gnome.org/HowDoI/AlternateMenubarLayout rather | 16:03 |
| larsu | seb128: only gnome apps have overlay scrollbars, no? | 16:03 |
| seb128 | Laney, yes, u-s-s | 16:03 |
| larsu | oh, you mean the gnome 3 apps? | 16:03 |
| seb128 | larsu, well, what we discuss in Oakland | 16:04 |
| * desrt coughs | 16:04 | |
| seb128 | larsu, having traditional menus for e.g evince | 16:04 |
| seb128 | gnome-calculator file-roller rhythmbox are on that list | 16:04 |
| desrt | seb128: how far did you get with the calculator? | 16:04 |
| desrt | and did you break it for gnome-shell in the process? | 16:04 |
| seb128 | desrt, I've a patch on https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=712831 | 16:04 |
| ubot2 | Gnome bug 712831 in general "Should have a standard menubar for non GNOME3 environments" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 16:04 |
| seb128 | desrt, https://bug712831.bugzilla-attachments.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=260467 | 16:05 |
| seb128 | desrt, and not that I know | 16:05 |
| seb128 | desrt, I did what gedit does | 16:05 |
| desrt | cool | 16:05 |
| seb128 | check the xsetting | 16:05 |
| desrt | cheers to gedit devs for being awesome | 16:05 |
| seb128 | and display the menubar or the appmenu in function | 16:05 |
| larsu | seb128: right, ignore me. Apparently I can't listen to the indicator meeting and follow this discussion. Sorry! | 16:05 |
| seb128 | the upstream bug turned into a flameware/argument though | 16:05 |
| desrt | oh. people in this bug already discuss my proposal | 16:06 |
| seb128 | yeah | 16:06 |
| desrt | maybe i should put some text on the page making it more clear that this is only a proposal | 16:06 |
| seb128 | it has been turning into a flameware about GNOME design direction and other desktops | 16:06 |
| desrt | lovely | 16:06 |
| * desrt loves accidentally starting flamewars | 16:06 | |
| seb128 | https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=705909 also | 16:07 |
| ubot2 | Gnome bug 705909 in general "Add headerbar and set that as titlebar" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] | 16:07 |
| seb128 | just for the record, that's how gnome-calculator "new design" looks like under xfce | 16:07 |
| seb128 | https://bug705909.bugzilla-attachments.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=261416 | 16:07 |
| seb128 | wm bar, gtkheaderbar, appmenu fallback | 16:07 |
| seb128 | anyway, fun discussions yesterday | 16:08 |
| seb128 | on that note, we overrun our half a bit | 16:08 |
| seb128 | is there any other question/comments/...? | 16:08 |
| seb128 | seems not | 16:09 |
| seb128 | thanks everyone | 16:09 |
| desrt | seb128: thanks | 16:09 |
| * desrt adds admonition to the top of his wiki page | 16:09 | |
| Laney | ta | 16:09 |
| ritz | desrt, what is the bit about death to overlay scrollbar ? | 16:10 |
| desrt | ritz: nothing, unfortunately | 16:10 |
| desrt | larsu was having great difficulty upgrading it to work with gtk 3.10 | 16:11 |
| desrt | so we thought that maybe we would just drop it | 16:11 |
| desrt | but then he made it owrk | 16:11 |
| desrt | so it stays | 16:11 |
| ritz | oh, thanks :( | 16:11 |
| desrt | ritz: you can always just uninstall it..... | 16:11 |
| seb128 | or change the gsettings key to disable them | 16:11 |
| ritz | it is nice for touch screen laptop | 16:11 |
| ritz | on my backup system, which is not touchscreen | 16:12 |
| ritz | seb128, thanks :) | 16:12 |
| seb128 | yw | 16:13 |
| seb128 | ritz, btw, can you verify the GTK sure in saucy, that's your fix for the folder name ellipsizing | 16:13 |
| * ritz check | 16:13 | |
| ritz | seb128, has been pushed into saucy | 16:21 |
| seb128 | ritz, you mean? the SRU is in saucy-proposed and needs to be verified to move to updates | 16:22 |
| ritz | I am an idiot | 16:23 |
| seb128 | bah, lightdm hates me | 16:34 |
| seb128 | (I was trying to run unity-greeter under valgrind for bug #1255076, but I don't get the bug here so it makes it less useful) | 16:35 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1255076 in unity-greeter (Ubuntu) "/usr/sbin/unity-greeter:*** Error in `/usr/sbin/unity-greeter': free(): invalid pointer: ADDR ***" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1255076 | 16:35 |
| seb128 | did anyone had his greeter not starting/starting in low graphics mode in trusty? | 16:35 |
| seb128 | (out of Kaleo) | 16:35 |
| seb128 | mterry, hey, you don't know about ^ by any chance? | 16:35 |
| seb128 | ok, I'm away for some debugging again and some errands, back in 1h or so | 16:42 |
| Laney | chrisccoulson: what's the right branch for firefox packaging MPs? | 17:03 |
| Laney | to get into trusty | 17:03 |
| Laney | firefox-beta.trusty or lp:firefox? | 17:04 |
| chrisccoulson | Laney, yeah, lp:firefox | 17:04 |
| Laney | ok | 17:04 |
| chrisccoulson | Laney, oh, that breaks installability for < 14.04, doesn't it? | 17:28 |
| Laney | chrisccoulson: for zenhei, yeah | 17:32 |
| Laney | ukai had that package in precise | 17:32 |
| Kaleo | anybody working on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-greeter/+bug/1255076 right now? | 17:40 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1255076 in unity-greeter (Ubuntu) "/usr/sbin/unity-greeter:*** Error in `/usr/sbin/unity-greeter': free(): invalid pointer: ADDR ***" [High,Confirmed] | 17:40 |
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| Kaleo | seb128, I found it | 17:52 |
| Kaleo | seb128, sudo apt-get remove --purge indicator-datetime | 17:52 |
| Kaleo | seb128, fixes it :) | 17:53 |
| seb128 | Kaleo, indicator issue? | 17:53 |
| seb128 | Kaleo, haha, I hinted that it might be on the bug :p | 17:53 |
| seb128 | Kaleo, did you read that? | 17:53 |
| seb128 | so we have an issue than the greeter doesn't deal with buggy indicators | 17:53 |
| Kaleo | seb128, yes, that's why I started testing | 17:53 |
| seb128 | and one that the indicator is buggy | 17:53 |
| Kaleo | seb128, removing indicators | 17:53 |
| seb128 | Kaleo, thanks for nailing it down | 17:53 |
| seb128 | charles_, larsu: ^ | 17:53 |
| happyaron | seb128: let's review what attente and I wrote yesterday? | 17:54 |
| larsu | seb128: I'll have a look | 17:55 |
| larsu | seb128: I've pushed a couple of changes into my 3.10 branch (not all issues fixed yet, though) and the overlay-scrollbar ones as well: https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/overlay-scrollbar/fix-for-3.10 | 17:56 |
| mterry | seb128, you poked me about a unity-greeter crash earlier? sorry I was afk | 17:56 |
| larsu | seb128: nice and small :) | 17:56 |
| seb128 | larsu, thanks | 17:56 |
| seb128 | larsu, mterry: basically it seems that https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-datetime/13.10.0+14.04.20131125-0ubuntu1 has a bug and being buggy takes the greeter down with it | 17:57 |
| seb128 | larsu, mterry: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1255076 is the greeter error, seems an invalid free call | 17:57 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1255076 in unity-greeter (Ubuntu) "/usr/sbin/unity-greeter:*** Error in `/usr/sbin/unity-greeter': free(): invalid pointer: ADDR ***" [High,Confirmed] | 17:57 |
| larsu | seb128: no backtrace though? | 17:57 |
| seb128 | happyaron, sure, give me a few minutes to catch up with pings and stuff ... can you give me the url? | 17:58 |
| seb128 | Kaleo, did you get infos on the datetime issue? is the indicator segfaulting/triggering an apport report? | 17:58 |
| Kaleo | seb128, not really no | 17:58 |
| Kaleo | seb128, just trying to get back to my work :) | 17:58 |
| seb128 | Kaleo, ok, don't worry | 17:58 |
| happyaron | seb128: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1TLj9I9DWFK7zwbI_veIt_RA5YX76e1k-ORgzVwkBL5U/edit?usp=sharing | 17:58 |
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| seb128 | Kaleo, that's what you get for running proposed btw :p | 17:59 |
| happyaron | attente: around? | 17:59 |
| Kaleo | seb128, tssss | 17:59 |
| Kaleo | seb128, people uploading without testing? | 17:59 |
| Kaleo | seb128, you mean? :) | 17:59 |
| seb128 | Kaleo, but thanks for taking the bullet for the team ;-) | 17:59 |
| attente | happyaron, yep, i'm here | 17:59 |
| seb128 | larsu, no bt that I can tell, can you sanity check the recent changes to the indicator in case you see an issue in there? | 18:02 |
| seb128 | mterry, did you manage to reproduce the bug? | 18:03 |
| seb128 | or just happening to timeout? | 18:03 |
| mterry | seb128, just timing out :) | 18:03 |
| seb128 | :-( | 18:03 |
| mterry | seb128, I haven't looked at the bug yet, been busy | 18:03 |
| seb128 | k, no worry | 18:03 |
| mterry | seb128, I can look at it shortly | 18:03 |
| seb128 | mterry, yeah, no hurry (yet) | 18:03 |
| seb128 | that version of the indicator is stucked in proposed with the e-d-s samba libav transitions atm | 18:04 |
| seb128 | we aim at unblocking those soon but I doubt it's going to happen today, we are going to need at least a tb upload before that happens | 18:04 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson keeps saying he's going to look at it and he would say that if he was not going to do it | 18:05 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, right? ;-) | 18:05 |
| larsu | seb128: sure | 18:05 |
| Laney | hahaha | 18:05 |
| Laney | I like this strategy of getting someone to do work | 18:05 |
| seb128 | Laney, shush, don't ruin my subtle move :p | 18:05 |
| Laney | I was afraid someone didn't notice :P | 18:05 |
| Laney | it was so discreet after all | 18:05 |
| seb128 | lol | 18:06 |
| seb128 | ok, let me try to reproduce that greeter issue (assuming lightdm 1.9 stops screwing user switching for me) | 18:06 |
| seb128 | great | 18:07 |
| seb128 | it's easy to reproduce | 18:07 |
| larsu | seb128: I have a candidate of where it might be. Do you have a bt for me? | 18:07 |
| seb128 | larsu, going to in a minute, let me get the dbgsym and unpack the apport info | 18:08 |
| larsu | thanks, that way I don't have to :) | 18:09 |
| seb128 | larsu, mterry: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6480184/ | 18:09 |
| larsu | seb128: ah, that's the memory leak fix I did | 18:11 |
| larsu | let's just revert that! | 18:11 |
| seb128 | larsu, wfm, can you proposed the revert and I can test the fix/confirm it's resolving it? | 18:12 |
| seb128 | -d | 18:12 |
| larsu | seb128: I'm kidding | 18:12 |
| larsu | you don't want _that_ bug again | 18:13 |
| seb128 | ? | 18:13 |
| seb128 | larsu, you lost me :p I though maybe you had a buggy fix over-freeing things ;-) | 18:13 |
| larsu | seb128: heh, no. It's because of the fix I did for the u-p-s leaking all the memory when using the gimp | 18:14 |
| larsu | now that we're freeing the widget, something inside the widget gets freed twice | 18:14 |
| larsu | or something uninitialized gets passed into free() | 18:14 |
| larsu | either way, I'm on it | 18:15 |
| larsu | thanks for the bt | 18:15 |
| seb128 | oh, ok, I see ... I was going to say, the GTK fix was not buggy (at least we SRUed and didn't get new reports) | 18:15 |
| seb128 | larsu, thanks | 18:15 |
| Kaleo | and please test your stuff. | 18:15 |
| seb128 | larsu, btw that's what happens when you run indicators in process and not through u-p-s :p | 18:16 |
| seb128 | larsu, an indicator gets a bug and your greeter is down letting you with no system | 18:16 |
| larsu | seb128: I'm fairly sure that this is a bug in the widget, not in the indicator | 18:17 |
| seb128 | larsu, well, same difference... | 18:18 |
| larsu | ha | 18:18 |
| seb128 | larsu, btw, scrollbars work great \o/ | 18:18 |
| larsu | :) | 18:18 |
| seb128 | nice job! | 18:18 |
| larsu | thanks | 18:18 |
| mterry | seb128, I got disconnected again! Did you see my question / comment about datetime? | 18:19 |
| seb128 | mterry, no | 18:19 |
| mterry | <mterry> seb128, did anything precede this? | 18:20 |
| mterry | <mterry> seb128, looks like a bug in the indicator code | 18:20 |
| mterry | <mterry> seb128, datetime | 18:20 |
| seb128 | mterry, right, unping, it's a segfault in the indicator, but since those are loading in process in u-g (e.g we don't have unity-panel-service protecting it) it's taking the greeter down with it | 18:20 |
| mterry | seb128, I hate my irc connection, I miss all the fun stuff | 18:21 |
| happyaron | Laney: can you have a look at bug 1173571 again? it needs someone to make the change into trusty seeds. | 18:21 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1173571 in Ubuntu Seeds "please change wenquanyi micro hei back with 69-language-selector-zh-tw.conf" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1173571 | 18:21 |
| seb128 | mterry, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-datetime/+bug/1255076/comments/6 | 18:21 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1255076 in unity-greeter (Ubuntu) "/usr/sbin/unity-greeter:*** Error in `/usr/sbin/unity-greeter': free(): invalid pointer: ADDR ***" [High,Confirmed] | 18:21 |
| seb128 | mterry, that's the bt | 18:21 |
| larsu | mterry: I'm on it, though ;) | 18:21 |
| mterry | yay for larsu! | 18:22 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 18:22 |
| seb128 | happyaron, attente: sorry, I had to deal with the trusty unity-greeter stuff, looking at the ibus/fcitx summary now | 18:22 |
| happyaron | np, :) | 18:23 |
| happyaron | mterry: what would need to be done on getting fonts-droid's MIR complete? | 18:23 |
| happyaron | sorry, fonts-android | 18:23 |
| seb128 | happyaron, can you give me permission to comment on the document? | 18:23 |
| mterry | happyaron, it needs to be seeded | 18:23 |
| mterry | happyaron, the MIR is done. It just needs to actually be added to Ubuntu now | 18:24 |
| happyaron | seb128: shared again, attente gave edit permission to your @ubuntu.com address yesterday. | 18:24 |
| attente | is editing not enough for commenting? | 18:24 |
| happyaron | mterry: I see, thanks. | 18:24 |
| mterry | happyaron, I think there was a seed change proposal filed. It just hasn't been reviewed/approved yet | 18:25 |
| happyaron | attente: perhaps he doesn't have @ubuntu.com address connected to google? | 18:25 |
| seb128 | attente, I guess it is, I don't have an account @ubuntu.com though, mine is a canonical one ... that's confusing with google drive, not sure why it lists one that is not valid | 18:25 |
| seb128 | happyaron, ^ | 18:25 |
| happyaron | mterry: yup, that's what I pinged Laney for | 18:25 |
| attente | seb128, you should be able to edit with your canonical one too | 18:25 |
| seb128 | attente, it's working now | 18:26 |
| seb128 | attente, happyaron: comment spamming you guys :p | 18:30 |
| attente | :) | 18:38 |
| seb128 | attente, happyaron: done with my first reading/comments spam :p | 18:38 |
| attente | thanks seb128 | 18:39 |
| happyaron | seb128: commenting back, :) | 18:41 |
| larsu | seb128: how do you reproduce this problem? Does it crash right at the start? | 18:41 |
| seb128 | happyaron, I see, it's almost as fun as IRC :p | 18:41 |
| seb128 | larsu, yes, I reproduced by trying to switch user, Kaleo gets it on boot | 18:42 |
| Kaleo | larsu, just upgrade to trusty-proposed :) | 18:44 |
| seb128 | happyaron, attente: if I want to test fcitx, what binaries should I install? | 18:54 |
| happyaron | seb128: apt-get install fcitx fcitx-libpinyin && im-config -n fcitx, then re-login. | 18:54 |
| seb128 | happyaron, thanks | 18:55 |
| larsu | seb128: https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/ido/lp1255076/+merge/196771 | 18:56 |
| larsu | seb128: gotta run now. Hope this works for you ;) | 18:56 |
| larsu | have a nice evening! | 18:56 |
| seb128 | larsu, thanks again, have a good evening, you made my day! | 18:57 |
| larsu | ooh did I? | 18:57 |
| seb128 | larsu, I'm not going to comment on your taking 10 days to write 10 lines of code on the scrollbars :p | 18:57 |
| larsu | awesome :) | 18:57 |
| seb128 | "it's only code" :p | 18:57 |
| * seb128 hugs larsu | 18:57 | |
| * larsu slaps seb128 | 18:58 | |
| larsu | :PO | 18:58 |
| seb128 | larsu, I'm glad you find a solution with such a small diff, I was getting concerned it would end up being a rewrite | 18:58 |
| larsu | seb128: ya, that's what I was getting tangled up in at first | 18:58 |
| larsu | which is why it took that long | 18:58 |
| larsu | but it only led to madness | 18:58 |
| seb128 | larsu, anyway, the solution combined with it being that small patch made my day, enjoy your evening! | 19:00 |
| larsu | seb128: thanks, you too! | 19:00 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, we need an ido upload as soon as https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/ido/lp1255076/+merge/196771 get merged, can we make that happen through CI or do we better do a manual upload and merge back? | 19:01 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, the current indicator-datetime is going unity-greeter down through this bug, which leads to "no way to log in" for users of the new indicator version (it's only in trusty-proposed atm but we can't count on that to remain true and some users get the update from the ppa/proposed) | 19:02 |
| happyaron | attente: can you comment on seb128 | 19:06 |
| attente | seb128 is a fine young man? | 19:06 |
| seb128 | lol | 19:06 |
| happyaron | ... his question on adding features to indicator-keyboard | 19:06 |
| cyphermox | hrm | 19:11 |
| cyphermox | how is that ido fix related to indicator-datetime? | 19:12 |
| cyphermox | nevermind | 19:13 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, ido provides the calendar widget | 19:13 |
| cyphermox | I don't know why you're getting that, indicator-datetime was just fine here | 19:13 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, I'm not the only one, it's the most reported issue today on e.u.c for trusty | 19:14 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, I don't know why you are not getting that, did you try to go the greeter since you installed the update? | 19:14 |
| cyphermox | hpw can it be if it's still in proposed? | 19:14 |
| cyphermox | well anyway, we need to wait for the merge.. | 19:14 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, I guess most trusty users run the daily build ppa or proposed | 19:14 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, well, most reported = 10 reports | 19:15 |
| cyphermox | when specifically told not to? | 19:15 |
| cyphermox | ;) | 19:15 |
| seb128 | we don't have that many reports | 19:15 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, what version are you running? ;-) | 19:15 |
| cyphermox | trusty | 19:15 |
| seb128 | that's why you don't see the issue :p | 19:15 |
| cyphermox | doesn't mean I install packages from proposed willy nilly | 19:15 |
| seb128 | hehe | 19:15 |
| cyphermox | heh | 19:15 |
| seb128 | well, anyway, if the indicator updates migrate to trusty, users are going to be unhappy | 19:16 |
| seb128 | so let's avoid that | 19:16 |
| cyphermox | yes | 19:16 |
| * seb128 tries the fix, that might take my session down, brb | 19:16 | |
| * cyphermox kicks jenkins | 19:16 | |
| seb128 | how lovely, it didn't screw my session and I could confirm the fix! | 19:17 |
| seb128 | larsu, cyphermox, Kaleo: ido fix confirmed to work ;-) | 19:17 |
| cyphermox | yay | 19:18 |
| Kaleo | seb128, BRILLIANT | 19:18 |
| Kaleo | seb128, are we hardening the greeter? | 19:18 |
| seb128 | Kaleo, I doubt it, we are planning to replace that one by the qt version, we should think about that for the new one | 19:19 |
| seb128 | Kaleo, the switch might happen this cycle, so we are probably not going to spend much effort on the old codebase | 19:19 |
| Kaleo | seb128, cool | 19:19 |
| Kaleo | seb128, and by qt you mean QML of course right? | 19:20 |
| seb128 | Kaleo, correct | 19:22 |
| Kaleo | seb128, thanks for your quick and efficient feedback on the bug | 19:22 |
| seb128 | Kaleo, it's a variant of the phone greeter | 19:22 |
| Kaleo | seb128, it's refreshin | 19:22 |
| Kaleo | +g | 19:22 |
| seb128 | Kaleo, yw ;-) | 19:22 |
| Kaleo | seb128, same code base? | 19:22 |
| Kaleo | seb128, (it should be the same code base) | 19:23 |
| seb128 | Kaleo, yes, though we might not be fully converged this cycle | 19:23 |
| Kaleo | seb128, oki doki | 19:23 |
| * Kaleo is fully converged | 19:23 | |
| seb128 | ;-) | 19:23 |
| * Kaleo works with desktop, laptop, tv, phones and tablet | 19:23 | |
| seb128 | We hope to get there as well ;-) | 19:24 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, ido fix merged | 19:27 |
| cyphermox | thx | 19:27 |
| cyphermox | kicked off a build just now | 19:28 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, thanks! | 19:28 |
| seb128 | tjaalton, mlankhorst: what does "merged" means for xorg? e.g where are http://lists.x.org/archives/xorg-devel/2013-November/039228.html merged (they don't seem to be in the xserver git line) ... also, can we get those fixes backported to trusty? | 19:38 |
| seb128 | ChrisTownsend, ^ hey, just for info | 19:38 |
| seb128 | tjaalton, mlankhorst: that's needed for https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1171342 | 19:38 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1171342 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) "mouse scroll wheel not working in gedit & System Monitor" [Medium,Triaged] | 19:38 |
| ChrisTownsend | seb128: Hey, yeah, thanks. I guess you saw I tried those patches on my test machine and they fix the issue(s). | 19:39 |
| seb128 | ChrisTownsend, yes, thanks for testing those! I'm glad that's fixed for the LTS | 19:39 |
| ChrisTownsend | seb128: Yeah, me too. Any chance for Saucy SRU? | 19:39 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, let's wait to get some trusty feedback to make sure there are no regressions first, then why not | 19:40 |
| seb128 | ups | 19:40 |
| seb128 | ChrisTownsend, ^ | 19:40 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, sorry :p | 19:40 |
| ChrisTownsend | lol, ok, sure, sounds good. | 19:40 |
| tjaalton | seb128: input stuff is first merged in peter's tree, then via a pull request to git master/stable | 19:52 |
| seb128 | tjaalton, ok, that explains it, thanks | 19:52 |
| seb128 | tjaalton, can we get those commits backported? ;-) | 19:52 |
| tjaalton | added a tag so it's at least on our radar | 19:53 |
| seb128 | thanks | 19:54 |
| larsu | seb128: awesome :) | 19:57 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, still around? | 20:04 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, hey, but just going for dinner, I'm back in ~30 min | 20:04 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, np | 20:04 |
| seb128 | so feel free to ask/wait for that | 20:05 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, what appears to be happening in your case is you're switching to a user who has xfce configured as their session but you appear to have uninstalled xfce. LightDM then is not correctly handling the failure case | 20:24 |
| robert_ancell | but I'd like to confirm you have xfce.desktop missing | 20:24 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, hey, I though about that this morning, that's another bug I think (I happened to test xfce yesterday for gtkheaderbar support in non gnome-shell environements) | 20:34 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, I can get another log if you want by just opening/closing a guest session | 20:35 |
| robert_ancell | sure | 20:35 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, am I the only one to get the issue with guest sessions, really? ;-) | 20:35 |
| robert_ancell | I haven't updated to trusty yet, I will check later today | 20:36 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, did you try to start a few of those/go back to your user/start again? | 20:36 |
| seb128 | haha | 20:36 |
| seb128 | but you are running 1.9? | 20:36 |
| robert_ancell | Not right at the moment, but I was at one point | 20:38 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, ok, let's see if you get the issue once you upgrade, it seems to be only me so far so maybe it's a local issue ... or maybe I'm the only one running trusty and using guest session regularly ;-) | 20:39 |
| robert_ancell | it's probably the latter! | 20:40 |
| seb128 | though I looked at the commit log and didn't stop any obvious candidate commit for the issue :/ | 20:41 |
| robert_ancell | no, me neither | 20:42 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, so regarding the g-s-d schemas - we need to split those into a separate package then - gnome-settings-daemon-schemas? | 20:42 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, how is the ido landing going? | 20:42 |
| robert_ancell | I'm not sure that upstream does consider them a stable API though | 20:43 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, is there any divergence at the moment ? | 20:43 |
| robert_ancell | no | 20:43 |
| robert_ancell | just we need them separately packages | 20:43 |
| robert_ancell | packaged | 20:43 |
| seb128 | why? | 20:44 |
| seb128 | if they have the same content | 20:44 |
| seb128 | oh, I see what you mean | 20:44 |
| seb128 | I was still set on you suggesting renaming the keys | 20:45 |
| seb128 | yeah, having a separate binary seems fine | 20:45 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, you were against renaming right? | 20:47 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, "were"? still are yes :p | 20:49 |
| robert_ancell | were and are and always will be :) | 20:49 |
| seb128 | lol | 20:49 |
| seb128 | I would make g-s-d and u-s-s conflict and let GNOME remix decide which one they want to use... | 20:50 |
| robert_ancell | nah, that's lame | 20:53 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, let's say it's suboptimal | 20:57 |
| robert_ancell | yep | 20:57 |
| seb128 | but renaming is non trivial and has side effects | 20:57 |
| seb128 | which means it has a cost for us and most of our users | 20:58 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, well, anyway, what part of the renaming are we arguing about? | 21:00 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, the schemas | 21:00 |
| seb128 | we think we can rename most files, share the dbus service and schemas? | 21:00 |
| robert_ancell | that's what I'm trying | 21:00 |
| seb128 | ok, that seems fine to me | 21:01 |
| seb128 | we can think more about the schemas issue if it turns out to be an issue in practice | 21:01 |
| seb128 | but I think it's not going to be that much of an issue | 21:01 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, do you have an opinion on the naming? | 21:02 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, I think it might be a future issue, but we should try just sharing the schemas for now and check closely what upstream does | 21:02 |
| seb128 | right, +1 on that | 21:02 |
| robert_ancell | We might just be able to keep the schemas patched with old keys if necessary | 21:02 |
| seb128 | what about the g-s-d binary itself? | 21:02 |
| robert_ancell | I think the renamed one should work fine | 21:03 |
| seb128 | we can't give the name to the GNOME remix guys | 21:03 |
| seb128 | do we keep it? | 21:03 |
| robert_ancell | I don't want to have two packages containing the same files. That's ugly | 21:03 |
| robert_ancell | which name? | 21:03 |
| seb128 | or do we do e.g ubuntu-system-daemon and gnome-system-daemon-stock | 21:03 |
| seb128 | system->settings | 21:04 |
| seb128 | (doh, ubuntu-system-settings namespace colision :p) | 21:04 |
| robert_ancell | we should leave the gnome one unchanged | 21:04 |
| seb128 | we can't | 21:04 |
| seb128 | that would screw upgrades for unity users | 21:04 |
| seb128 | the upgrader/apt would insist on pulling in the GNOME version | 21:04 |
| seb128 | we need a transition for the lts, then we can rename back if we want | 21:05 |
| seb128 | like a dummy depending on new-name-ubuntu | new-name-gnome | 21:05 |
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| robert_ancell | why would it? Wouldn't the thing that provides unity.desktop just depend on the new settings daemon | 21:05 |
| seb128 | because you use precise and have gnome-settings-daemon installed | 21:06 |
| seb128 | and you upgrade and apt is going to want to upgrade that package | 21:06 |
| seb128 | it's not going to be easy to teach it to uninstall it to install ubuntu-settings-daemon | 21:06 |
| seb128 | you can try but I bet money that you are going to get all sort of upgrade weirdness reports | 21:07 |
| seb128 | history is not on your side in any case ;-) | 21:07 |
| seb128 | (we had cases like that and we did end up doing the rename and dummy solution) | 21:07 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, it doesn't matter if you have g-s-d installed - we wont be using it | 21:07 |
| seb128 | well, it's a bit suboptimal to have it staying around then | 21:08 |
| seb128 | you also need to ensure you get u-s-d installed | 21:08 |
| seb128 | that makes we want system images for desktop btw... | 21:09 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, yes, system images makes this all a lot easier | 21:10 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, there's always left behind packages on upgrade. You have to do an apt-get autoremove to get rid of them | 21:10 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, well, in any case, we can test it your way first and change if needed. It's really an issue if both packages conflicts and apt has to pick one, I guess we can make it work with cases where g-s-d is a leftover there, it stills feels wrong, but it's not so much of an issue either... | 21:11 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, did you want more review/testing from me? With vUDS and other topics ongoing I didn't manage to look at your work yet, I just replied to the email | 21:12 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, I've been away so nothing more to report yet | 21:13 |
| seb128 | well, I don't know if you wanted a review on the current vcs work | 21:13 |
| seb128 | I still plan to try that, I just didn't manage to do it yet | 21:13 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, g-s-d renaming seems doable in any case, g-c-c is a bit less easy due to the gnome-desktop depends | 21:16 |
| robert_ancell | right | 21:16 |
| seb128 | one step at the time I guess... | 21:16 |
| seb128 | I wonder if we can just add back the old functions/apis to gnome-desktop under another namespace | 21:17 |
| seb128 | to carry them over until we stop needed those | 21:17 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, btw, do you still read upstream gnome-calculator bugs? | 21:19 |
| robert_ancell | yes :) | 21:19 |
| robert_ancell | having fun there? | 21:19 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, yeah, I'm done though | 21:20 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, I blame you for letting them take over an age old project and destroy it... | 21:20 |
| robert_ancell | I think we just have to carry patches for things like that - long term it doesn't matter and short term it's not too hard to patch | 21:20 |
| seb128 | right | 21:20 |
| seb128 | well, it just means those apps are going to stop being used out of GNOME | 21:21 |
| seb128 | I don't care much for us, this cycle/LTS is not an issue | 21:21 |
| robert_ancell | that's the direction that's occurring anyway | 21:21 |
| seb128 | then we are going to replace them | 21:21 |
| seb128 | but it still feels like that most app developers didn't think about that | 21:21 |
| robert_ancell | the concept of a general "free desktop app" is pretty much dead | 21:21 |
| seb128 | they go "oh, nice, GNOME integration" | 21:21 |
| seb128 | right | 21:21 |
| seb128 | I went to the same conclusion | 21:21 |
| seb128 | the same way that iOS and android need different version of your apps, the different "linux desktops" are going to need different versions | 21:22 |
| robert_ancell | developers used to try and maximise users, but now they're focussing on platforms. Which makes better apps for those platforms so I'm not opposed to the concept | 21:22 |
| seb128 | yeah, me neither | 21:22 |
| seb128 | I'm just not sure app dev who are porting their app to the new GNOME look realize that | 21:23 |
| seb128 | well, atm most of those ports are GNOME core components | 21:23 |
| seb128 | it's going to be less obvious for apps out of gnome.org | 21:23 |
| seb128 | e.g what pidgin, inkscape, shotwell (though those moved to gnome infra), etc are going to do | 21:24 |
| robert_ancell | I suspect the big players like inkscape will support multiple platforms with priority given to user base | 21:24 |
| robert_ancell | these projects already tend to support windows anyway | 21:24 |
| seb128 | right | 21:25 |
| seb128 | ok, moving to the TV, might be back in a bit with the laptop if I get bored ;-) | 21:28 |
| seb128 | see you tomorrow otherwise | 21:28 |
| seb128 | bye | 21:28 |
| rsalveti | larsu: confirmed bug 1253810, not sure if only a problem in the indicator though | 21:44 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1253810 in indicator-messages (Ubuntu) "Messages in Incoming not always display the correct date and content" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1253810 | 21:44 |
| larsu | rsalveti: interesting. I'll have a look, thanks | 21:45 |
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| tkamppeter | \\\\\\\\\ | 23:38 |
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