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| arosales | Hello | 16:01 |
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| arosales | I'll be chairing today's Server team meeting | 16:01 |
| smoser | o./ | 16:01 |
| adam_g | o/ | 16:01 |
| * arosales grabs the commands | 16:01 | |
| roaksoax | o/ | 16:01 |
| arosales | #startmeeting ubuntu-server-team | 16:01 |
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| arosales | #topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting | 16:02 |
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| arosales | No actions from previous meeting | 16:02 |
| arosales | #topic Trusty Development | 16:02 |
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| arosales | #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseSchedule | 16:03 |
| arosales | we have an alpha coming up I think . . . | 16:04 |
| arosales | Dec 19th | 16:04 |
| arosales | opt in for flavors | 16:04 |
| arosales | smoser, jamespage is server opting in? | 16:04 |
| * arosales doesn't see utlemming for cloud image confirmation | 16:04 | |
| jamespage | as a core flavor we don't normally opt in - I'm happy to stick with that for alpha1 | 16:05 |
| arosales | jamespage, ack | 16:05 |
| arosales | #subtopic Release Bugs | 16:05 |
| arosales | #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-t-tracking-bug-tasks.html#server | 16:05 |
| smoser | jamespage, well, i like to create cloud images. | 16:05 |
| arosales | smoser, I think cloud images has done an alpha in the past . . . | 16:06 |
| smoser | i'd like for us to opt in for alpha1 cloud images, with some actual targets. | 16:06 |
| jamespage | sure | 16:06 |
| smoser | the seed-review and gpt | 16:06 |
| smoser | jamespage, have you done a seed-review email ? | 16:06 |
| jamespage | smoser, urgh - not yet | 16:06 |
| arosales | #action smoser sync with utlemming on building cloud images for alpha 1, targets = seed-review, gpt | 16:06 |
| meetingology | ACTION: smoser sync with utlemming on building cloud images for alpha 1, targets = seed-review, gpt | 16:06 |
| jamespage | arosales, please action me todo that asap | 16:07 |
| arosales | will do | 16:07 |
| arosales | #action jamespage do seed-review email | 16:07 |
| meetingology | ACTION: jamespage do seed-review email | 16:07 |
| arosales | onto bugs :-) | 16:07 |
| arosales | got two high @ http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-t-tracking-bug-tasks.html#server | 16:07 |
| arosales | no critical | 16:08 |
| arosales | http://launchpad.net/bugs/1243762 | 16:08 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 1243762 in juju-core (Ubuntu Trusty) "[MIR] juju-core, golang" [High,Confirmed] | 16:08 |
| jamespage | that will stick on the report until either we decide not to or it gets in main | 16:08 |
| arosales | jamespage, ok, thanks | 16:08 |
| arosales | bug 1062336 | 16:08 |
| ubottu | bug 1062336 in nova (Ubuntu Trusty) "nova-compute expects libvirtd group" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1062336 | 16:09 |
| arosales | zul ^ | 16:09 |
| rbasak | We should perhaps track bug 1248283, since at the moment it seems to affect all MAAS/juju on Saucy, and presumably Trusty too. I don't know how much this needs to be tracked by us as opposed to juju upstream, though. | 16:09 |
| ubottu | bug 1248283 in juju-core "Juju deploy of Charm in MAAS fails because dbus fails" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1248283 | 16:09 |
| arosales | nevermind jamespage looks like your marked won't fix | 16:09 |
| jamespage | zul, that will get fixed up under the kvm packaging review | 16:09 |
| zul | rbasak: its been removed in trusty | 16:09 |
| rbasak | zul: what's been removed exactly? | 16:10 |
| zul | arosales: the xcp stuff has been removed in nova | 16:10 |
| zul | rbasak: sorry not you :) | 16:10 |
| arosales | zul, thanks | 16:10 |
| arosales | rbasak, you are referring to https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1248283 | 16:10 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 1248283 in juju-core "Juju deploy of Charm in MAAS fails because dbus fails" [High,Triaged] | 16:10 |
| rbasak | Yes | 16:11 |
| arosales | good one to track | 16:11 |
| arosales | jamespage, which team to we add to get in on the bug tracking list? | 16:12 |
| arosales | ~ubuntu-server ? | 16:13 |
| arosales | smoser, ^ | 16:13 |
| jamespage | no - dbus should not be on the server list | 16:13 |
| jamespage | raise a task for juju-core - I think that will do it | 16:14 |
| smoser | there is a task for juju-core thre. | 16:14 |
| arosales | juju-core has a task | 16:14 |
| arosales | while we work on that is there any other bugs we want to cover? | 16:15 |
| jamespage | juju-core in Ubuntu | 16:15 |
| arosales | there are a few other mediums and lows | 16:15 |
| jamespage | not upstream | 16:15 |
| rbasak | I think you might need a packaging task against a package that ~ubuntu-server subscribes to that also has a Trusty task. | 16:15 |
| rbasak | I'm not sure this is a good way to do it, mind. | 16:15 |
| arosales | jamespage, ah ok | 16:15 |
| jamespage | rbasak, is the bug in dbus? | 16:15 |
| rbasak | Debatable. I'd say the primary bug is in juju-core. | 16:15 |
| rbasak | (or perhaps the MAAS provider in juju if that's separate) | 16:16 |
| arosales | rbasak, could you add a task for juju-core in Ubuntu? | 16:16 |
| rbasak | dbus would ideally not fail, and ideally log a message explaining what happens when it does. | 16:16 |
| rbasak | But juju should not try to restart networking. It doesn't need to do that anyway. | 16:17 |
| jamespage | rbasak, raise a distro bug task for Ubuntu and target to trusty | 16:17 |
| jamespage | so we can track it | 16:17 |
| rbasak | ack | 16:17 |
| arosales | rbasak, thanks | 16:17 |
| arosales | any other bugs we should cover | 16:17 |
| rbasak | Done. Importance? | 16:17 |
| arosales | got the highs and critical ones done @ http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-t-tracking-bug-tasks.html#server | 16:18 |
| rbasak | I'll say Triaged/High. | 16:18 |
| arosales | rbasak, thanks for brining in one we needed to track too | 16:18 |
| arosales | ok we covered those | 16:18 |
| arosales | not the others on the list are openstack | 16:18 |
| arosales | less websockify | 16:18 |
| arosales | moving on | 16:18 |
| arosales | #subtopic Blueprints | 16:19 |
| arosales | jamespage, to my failing did you create a topic bp? | 16:19 |
| jamespage | yes | 16:19 |
| arosales | #link http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-s/group/topic-t-servercloud-overview.html | 16:19 |
| arosales | ah and you must have updated the notes | 16:19 |
| arosales | well done -- thank you | 16:19 |
| arosales | :-) | 16:19 |
| arosales | http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-s/group/topic-t-servercloud-overview.html | 16:20 |
| arosales | hmm not loading for me atm | 16:20 |
| jamespage | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/topic-t-servercloud-overview | 16:20 |
| arosales | working for others? | 16:20 |
| arosales | hmm http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-t/ looks to may need a kick | 16:21 |
| jamespage | arosales, no | 16:21 |
| * arosales doesn't see any topic BPs there | 16:21 | |
| jamespage | arosales, gaughen: we need to go through all blueprints and priortize and accept for trusty | 16:21 |
| jamespage | so as its only UDS + 2 days really | 16:21 |
| arosales | #action jamespage, gaughen review blueprints and accept for trusty | 16:21 |
| meetingology | ACTION: jamespage, gaughen review blueprints and accept for trusty | 16:21 |
| gaughen | okay | 16:22 |
| smoser | yeah. | 16:22 |
| jamespage | can respectfully suggest that everyone write up their blueprints from last week by thursday | 16:22 |
| jamespage | using the blueprint spec | 16:22 |
| jamespage | and mark 'Pending Approval' | 16:22 |
| arosales | #action gaughen file bug with status.u.c to get ubuntu server topic tracking in there | 16:22 |
| meetingology | ACTION: gaughen file bug with status.u.c to get ubuntu server topic tracking in there | 16:22 |
| arosales | gaughen, I hope you don't mind that action | 16:22 |
| jamespage | then smoser, gaughen and I will know which ones to review | 16:22 |
| arosales | gaughen, https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-work-items-tracker/+filebug | 16:23 |
| arosales | gaughen, ping me if you have any questions | 16:23 |
| jamespage | so I guess for folks in the US that means be end of wednesday | 16:23 |
| jamespage | .... | 16:23 |
| jamespage | sorry | 16:23 |
| gaughen | nope don't mind but i will have questions :-) | 16:23 |
| jamespage | actually - this makes no sense | 16:23 |
| arosales | #action all: write up blueprints, and have them ready for review by November 28 | 16:23 |
| meetingology | ACTION: all: write up blueprints, and have them ready for review by November 28 | 16:23 |
| jamespage | end of week - then we can review early next week | 16:23 |
| smoser | end of week. | 16:23 |
| smoser | (which may be in a few hours for some US folk) | 16:24 |
| arosales | # all write up bluerprints, using blueprint spec, mark 'pending approval', and have complete by November 29 | 16:24 |
| arosales | any other BP topics? | 16:25 |
| arosales | #topic Server & Cloud Bugs (caribou) | 16:25 |
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| arosales | caribou any bugs to bring up here that we didn't already cover? | 16:25 |
| * arosales doesn't see caribou online atm | 16:26 | |
| arosales | #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (psivaa) | 16:26 |
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| psivaa | No updates from us, | 16:26 |
| arosales | psivaa, ok thanks | 16:26 |
| arosales | #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb) | 16:26 |
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| arosales | smb any updates? | 16:28 |
| * arosales doesn't seem smb here atm | 16:28 | |
| arosales | any folks from kernel | 16:28 |
| arosales | #topic Weekly Updates & Questions regarding Ubuntu ARM Server (rbasak) | 16:29 |
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| rbasak | No updates from me. Any questions? | 16:29 |
| arosales | any questions for rbasak ? | 16:29 |
| arosales | #topic Ubuntu Server Team Events | 16:29 |
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| arosales | we had a lot of events we just came back from | 16:29 |
| arosales | ODS, uVDS, RubyConf, AWS re:Invent | 16:30 |
| arosales | I don't know of any upcoming in the next week | 16:30 |
| arosales | any other folks have any events to bring up here? | 16:30 |
| arosales | #topic Open Discussion | 16:30 |
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| arosales | any other agenda items? | 16:31 |
| arosales | going once | 16:31 |
| arosales | twice | 16:31 |
| arosales | thrice | 16:31 |
| arosales | #topic Announce next meeting date and time | 16:32 |
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| arosales | NEXT MEETING: Tuesday 2013-12-03 at 1600 UTC | 16:32 |
| arosales | Thanks for joining the ubuntu server team meeting! | 16:32 |
| arosales | #endmeeting | 16:32 |
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| jsalisbury | #startmeeting | 17:00 |
| jsalisbury | ## | 17:00 |
| jsalisbury | ## This is the Ubuntu Kernel Team weekly status meeting. | 17:00 |
| jsalisbury | ## | 17:00 |
| jsalisbury | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting | 17:00 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Tue Nov 26 17:00:29 2013 UTC. The chair is jsalisbury. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 17:00 |
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| jsalisbury | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Trusty | 17:00 |
| jsalisbury | # Meeting Etiquette | 17:00 |
| jsalisbury | # | 17:00 |
| jsalisbury | # NOTE: '..' indicates that you are finished with your input. | 17:00 |
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| jsalisbury | Roll Call for Ubuntu Kernel Weekly Status Meeting | 17:00 |
| rtg | o/ | 17:00 |
| kamal | o/ | 17:00 |
| henrix | o/ | 17:00 |
| cking | o/ | 17:00 |
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| ppisati | o/ | 17:01 |
| jsalisbury | [TOPIC] ARM Status (ppisati) | 17:01 |
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| ppisati | nothing new to report this week | 17:01 |
| ppisati | .. | 17:01 |
| jsalisbury | [TOPIC] Release Metrics and Incoming Bugs (jsalisbury) | 17:01 |
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| jsalisbury | Release metrics and incoming bug data can be reviewed at the following link: | 17:01 |
| jsalisbury | [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kt-meeting.txt | 17:01 |
| jsalisbury | .. | 17:01 |
| jsalisbury | [TOPIC] Milestone Targeted Work Items (ogasawara) | 17:02 |
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| ogasawara | 2 secs | 17:02 |
| ogasawara | [LINK] https://launchpad.net/~canonical-kernel-distro-team/+upcomingwork | 17:02 |
| ogasawara | [LINK] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-t/canonical-kernel-distro-team.html | 17:02 |
| ogasawara | While marginally useful for tracking work items in the past, the above | 17:02 |
| ogasawara | links are completely useless at the moment. I have manually reviewed | 17:02 |
| ogasawara | work items from the core-1311-kernel and core-1311-hwe-plans blueprints. | 17:02 |
| ogasawara | However, beyond those two, I'm oblivious to what other work our team or | 17:02 |
| ogasawara | individuals were signed up for. | 17:02 |
| ogasawara | || apw || core-1311-kernel || 1 work ite || | 17:02 |
| ogasawara | || cking || core-1311-kernel || 2 work item || | 17:02 |
| ogasawara | || rtg || core-1311-hwe-plans || 1 work item || | 17:02 |
| ogasawara | .. | 17:02 |
| jsalisbury | [TOPIC] Status: Trusty Development Kernel (ogasawara) | 17:02 |
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| ogasawara | For those unaware, the ubuntu-trusty git repo is open and available at: | 17:02 |
| ogasawara | git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-trusty.git . The master branch is | 17:02 |
| ogasawara | currently tracking the latest 3.12.1 upstream stable kernel while the | 17:03 |
| ogasawara | unstable branch has most recently been rebased to v3.13-rc1. We shall | 17:03 |
| ogasawara | move our master branch to track v3.13 after some baking. We will also | 17:03 |
| ogasawara | upload to the archive when it's ready. | 17:03 |
| ogasawara | ----- | 17:03 |
| ogasawara | Important upcoming dates: | 17:03 |
| ogasawara | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule | 17:03 |
| ogasawara | Thurs Dec 12 - 12.04.4 Kernel Freeze (~2 weeks away) | 17:03 |
| ogasawara | Thurs Dec 23 - 12.04.4 Final Release (~8 weeks away) | 17:03 |
| ogasawara | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseSchedule | 17:03 |
| ogasawara | Thurs Dec 19 - Alpha 1 (~3 weeks away) | 17:03 |
| ogasawara | Thurs Jan 23 - Alpha 2 (~ 8 weeks away) | 17:03 |
| ogasawara | .. | 17:03 |
| jsalisbury | [TOPIC] Status: CVE's | 17:03 |
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| jsalisbury | The current CVE status can be reviewed at the following link: | 17:03 |
| jsalisbury | http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/cve/pkg/ALL-linux.html | 17:03 |
| jsalisbury | .. | 17:03 |
| jsalisbury | [TOPIC] Status: Stable, Security, and Bugfix Kernel Updates - Saucy/Raring/Quantal/Precise/Lucid (bjf/henrix/sconklin) | 17:03 |
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| bjf | Status for the main kernels, until today (Nov. 26): | 17:03 |
| bjf | * Lucid - Regression Testing | 17:03 |
| bjf | * Precise - Regression Testing | 17:03 |
| bjf | * Quantal - Regression Testing | 17:03 |
| bjf | * Raring - Regression Testing | 17:03 |
| bjf | * Saucy - Regression Testing | 17:03 |
| bjf | Current opened tracking bugs details: | 17:03 |
| bjf | * http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kernel-sru-workflow.html | 17:03 |
| bjf | For SRUs, SRU report is a good source of information: | 17:03 |
| bjf | * http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/sru-report.html | 17:03 |
| bjf | .. | 17:03 |
| jsalisbury | [TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions? Raise your hand to be recognized (o/) | 17:04 |
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| jsalisbury | Thanks everyone | 17:04 |
| jsalisbury | #endmeeting | 17:04 |
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