[00:04] what happened to the cool extruded thing that the steam guys were showing around ages ago? [00:19] the tiny almost-cube one? [00:21] nod that looked kind of neat [00:22] that wasn't steam [00:22] it was a 4letter name beginning with q? [00:23] but I thought that was around the time they were first talking about steam stuff? [00:23] nope, ouya [00:23] no, it's not ouya I was thinking of [00:23] these were showing up a lot last time around; http://www.xi3.com/store/system?model=piston [00:24] yeh that's the one I was thinking of [00:25] cute, but the price tag is unrealistic and it's just not going to fit a graphics card that'll keep steam happy, I think [00:25] what do you think would keep steam happy? [00:26] well they put a titan in their demo box [00:26] most people don't need a titan [00:26] http://www.xi3.com/servers/microserv3r-data-server wth is the netowrk connector on there? [00:27] penguin42: why or where? for where: top left [00:28] top left is ethernet. right of that is .. curious [00:29] coult the "network" port be fiber? [00:29] wireless module?> [00:30] a little tiny window so you can peek inside, because "the network is the computer" ? [00:30] it has 4 usb 2 ports, 4 usb 3, 4 esata, 1 ethernet, 2 3.5mm audio, 1 DP/HDMI, 1 mini DP, 1 SPDIF [00:30] only thing left on the specs is "1 – Wireless optional (802.11a/b/g/n or Bluetooth)" [00:31] and yeah, most people don't need a spaceheater of a gpu [00:31] shauno: I imagine most people would be happy with ipad-level graphics [00:32] which is a tiny GPU [00:32] but if you think that for the vast majority of steam's userbase, you can safely assume they already have something PCish for their current usage [00:33] I don't think that's an SFP/fibre module shape is it? Maybe it is [00:33] People that care about high-end gaming have an xbox/ps/PC, so a small device like that is probably aimed at the market which plays games on tablets etc. [00:33] or wii [00:34] I'd imaging that creates a gap where I'm not sure I'd pay high-dollar amounts for a degraded experience. it better at least match what I'm already rocking [00:34] no it's not sfp [00:35] "would have an xbox/ps" <-- the steam box is supposed to replace those [00:36] really? [00:36] yes, really. [00:37] they want to game in the living room using the steam platform instead of whatever else you currently use [00:39] Seeker`: the point is they want games like crysis 57 to run on it [00:39] crysis 57 would need about 500 titans :P [00:39] or whatever the most demanding game du jour is [00:39] all the boxes are just PCs now anyway [00:41] anyway, it's bedtime [00:41] "ipad graphics" only really works places where the software is designed for them. valve's own titles wouldn't work on something like that [00:42] of course, half the fun is that they're leaving the hardware up to everyone else. so if there's a market for tiny boxes, there's nothing stopping them [00:43] shauno: why do you think valve's titles wouldn't work? [00:43] because they have good graphics? [00:44] nobody is going to buy a steambox to play games from 5 years ago [00:45] * penguin42 doesn't think the steambox would have low end graphics [00:47] from my pov, because I'm totally used to seeing titles on Steam for OSX, and apple's appstore, flat out tell you not to bother if you're on the integrated chipsets [00:48] it's gonna be gutsy trying to push an ecosystem that'll only play their linux titles, let alone shooting themselves in the other foot too [00:50] not that I'm complaining - I'm hoping they pull it off, because it should make cross-platform a lot more attractive for publishers. but I don't think they're trying to compete with the ouya. steam's target market are gamers [01:05] that's an SFP port === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away [03:36] contempt: all i have is contempt for you === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [07:12] morning all [07:12] huhu [07:21] http://imgur.com/gallery/7OQpkkJ when computers figure this out, we're screwed [07:30] lol [07:47] SuperMatt: uh oh, don't give them idea! [07:47] s [07:48] Morning [07:56] pip pip [07:57] http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ladar/lavabits-dark-mail-initiative # looks like that isn't going to succeed [07:58] SuperMatt: that is so 1985... :P all they have to do now is plug themselves in... [07:58] hah, love that cartoon [07:59] ih http://gizmodo.com/5634257/ikea-let-loose-a-herd-of-100-cats-into-store-to-see-what-happens [08:00] popey: miracles have happened before [08:04] Great video Myrtti :-) [08:12] popey: if the video were any better I might even contribute but as of now it's TL;DW [08:14] i haven't because I'm unconvinced it would be useful to anyone to open source that project [08:14] vs adding features to other products === iahmad is now known as iahmad|afk === iahmad|afk is now known as iahmad [09:16] morning [09:17] morning [09:17] \o [09:17] d'oh, Windows wants to reboot, little does it know that it's not the default OS. I guess I'll have to let it reboot, and change the grub order. [09:17] dwatkins: Windows never expects other OSes to be there, somehow [09:17] (I'm 5 miles away from the PC) [09:17] MartijnVdS: how arrogant of it [09:18] ...and there it goes - stupid updater forcing me to restart mumble...mumble... [09:18] I wouldn't normally mind, but I'm in the process of uploading a bunch of stuff to Bitcasa. [09:19] ...or at least I was [09:20] dwatkins: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyb6xqiZDPw ? [09:21] haha yeah [09:21] I've only left it running Windows 8 because there's no Linux client for Bitcasa. [09:21] what's bitcasa? [09:21] Infinite storage based on Amazon Web Services. [09:21] bitcoin storage? [09:22] You install the application and it maps a network drive with a capacity of 8 Exabytes. [09:22] dwatkins: https://code.google.com/p/s3fs/ [09:23] interesting, I wonder how much they will charge me for storing 5 TB on there. [09:23] dwatkins: I store several 100 GB of raw photos on glacier [09:23] dwatkins: that's $2.50/month [09:23] but S3 is more expensive [09:23] like $7/month or something [09:23] so maybe $20 for you? [09:24] Bitcasa was $99 a year, but then they changed their pricing model, it's ten times as much for infinite storage now! [09:24] Thankfully I signed-up before the price hike. [09:24] dwatkins: S3 is expensive.. $0.095 for the first TB/month [09:25] wow yeah [09:25] 0.080/TB/month for the next 49TB [09:25] http://www.clearpathsg.com/backup-AWS-S3-Calculator tells me I'd be paying $512 a month! [09:25] dwatkins: glad I'm using glacier then -- it's not instant-access, but it's not super expensive either ;) [09:25] That was the thing with Bitcasa, it was cheaper than continuing to buy new hard drives. [09:26] Good morning all; happy Shopping Reminder Day! :-D [09:27] JamesTait: Shopping Reminder? Sounds like Americans who don't want to get crushed to death on Black Friday ;) [09:27] damn, I didn't untick the "install updates automatically" and now I have IE 11 which doesn't work with the system I need it for [09:27] so much for having a VM dedicated to using this [09:27] JamesTait: or "buy your thanksgiving stuff NAO" [09:27] MartijnVdS, good point! [09:28] dwatkins: http://www.modern.ie [09:28] dwatkins: Microsoft offers VMs with all kinds of Internet Explorers on all kinds of Windowses [09:29] MartijnVdS, explicitly distributing VBox images for use on linux. blimey. [09:30] MartijnVdS: yeah, unfortunately I don't have control of the VMWare server, otherwise I'd just put that in place [09:30] on the concept of reminding to shop [09:30] right now, on Amazon.co.uk http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00DSNWM2K/ [09:30] directhex: yeah, I was surprised as well.. but I'm not complaining ;) [09:31] * dwatkins uninstalls IE 11 and wishes there was a feedback button to swear at them with [09:31] directhex: and it's official/supported by Microsoft as well! [09:31] Can you do other stuff with those VMs? [09:31] dwatkins: not a lot, I guess [09:31] I assumed they would be locked-down, or a 180-day trial [09:32] I treated this VM as an application, since I remote-desktop to it I can switch between it and other apps, and it's not dependant on how busy my laptop is [09:32] dwatkins: some are trials, but they explicitly allow you to re-install [09:32] occasioanlly I do stuff with it, like write a script to kill and restart rdpclip (known bug) [09:33] hopefully http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/internet-explorer/ie-10-worldwide-languages will do what I need [09:33] Talking of shopping & Christmas etc... Has anyone got one of those insulated travel mugs that you use in the car that has an "anti-spillage" feature? [09:34] TheOpenSourcerer: anti-spill? [09:34] anti-leak then. [09:35] dunno what that means ☻ [09:35] I've seen some on Amazon etc. but have no idea of they are any good or not. It's for a xmas pressie. [09:35] I mean, I have a travel mug [09:35] url? [09:36] If you drop it or it falls out of the car holder does your coffee leak out or not? [09:36] TheOpenSourcerer: like http://www.amazon.co.uk/BESTEK-Stainless-Insulated-container-BTVT550/dp/B00AX0Y7OW you mean? [09:37] http://www.witt-international.co.uk/products/leak-proof-travel-mug/_/A-98B193_ [09:37] oh sure, it will yeah [09:37] but i dont drop it [09:37] MartijnVdS: Not quite, that's really a thermos that you can drink from if you undo the lid a bit. [09:38] See the link I posted [09:38] Oh reading a bit more MartijnVdS that might be OK actually... [09:40] TheOpenSourcerer: the description is very similar to the one you posted [09:40] TheOpenSourcerer: but I don't see how it's both "always leak-proof" and "quarter twist to drink" [09:40] This one looks like the mutt's nutts [09:40] http://www.amazon.co.uk/Thermos-Genuine-Stainless-Leak-Proof-Travel/dp/B00719NIG6/ref=pd_cp_kh_3 [09:41] "Built-in tea hook, easily holds tea bags and most loose leaf infusers" This will impress my wife as she drinks gallons of tea... [09:41] TheOpenSourcerer: leak proof: http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_0_5?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=sippy%20cup&sprefix=sippy%2Caps%2C175&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Asippy%20cup [09:42] TheOpenSourcerer: that one is awesome, with the tea bit :) have to remember that for my tea-loving friends :) [09:42] Hmm, "sippy cups" isn't quite what was I was after ;-) [09:42] TheOpenSourcerer: they're leak-proof ;) [09:42] maybe they have thermos sippy cups 8-) [09:43] Not insulated [09:43] http://www.thermos.com/product_catalog.aspx?CatCode=Foog [09:48] there we go, IE 11 uninstalled, and IE 10 works with this cursed tool [09:50] Havn't used exploder for years [09:58] popey: 20:15 tonight, Amazon.co.uk will have a "black friday deal" on this: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00DNB02S8/ref=gb1h_img_c-1_8827_cbfdbf94?pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_s=center-1&pf_rd_r=05TFZFY0B3R2VPWNNYSE&pf_rd_i=161428031&pf_rd_p=449478827 [09:58] where are you getting these from? [09:59] SuperMatt: go to the top right of amazon.co.uk, click "Black Friday Deals", then "Upcoming" [09:59] I never really pay any attention to the front page [10:00] go figure [10:02] MartijnVdS: ooh! [10:04] i dont actually have a sane size salt/pepper shaker [10:05] popey: I have these: http://shop.lego.com/en-US/Salt-and-Pepper-Set-850705 [10:06] hah cute [10:06] * popey adds to wishlist [10:07] Hmm.. Ubuntu-UK Secret Santa? ;) [10:07] MartijnVdS: no don't suggest that, I'm arranging works and it's a fscking nightmare :D [10:07] hah [10:08] MooDoo: "Can't have X buy a present for Y or they'll mess up and it'l be drama" [10:16] good morning everyone, [10:16] orning [10:16] "Your Amazon.co.uk order of "2" x "D-Link DUB-H7 7 - Port USB..." has been dispatched" \o/ [10:17] morning [10:20] my kids would love http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00BFBWQKA/ [10:20] popey: I have the blue one [10:20] popey: several of them, actually [10:20] minifig ones? [10:20] yeah [10:21] they also work for chocolate ;) [10:21] I have less motivation for these because our fridge has an ice making drawer [10:21] pour in molten (pure) chocolate, stick in fridge, get chocolate minifigs! [10:21] (dark)* [10:22] haha, good idea! [10:22] * popey adds to wishlist [10:22] lol http://www.amazon.co.uk/Silicone-Mould-Brick-Cupcake-Decoration/dp/B008J35BY0 [10:23] home effort [10:29] btw there's a smaller version of yesterdays SSD on sale in an hour [10:33] and TP-Link powerline starter kit at 1530 [10:36] I just got this one: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00C80JGGO [10:36] to replace my aging Harmony (which has a bad battery) [10:37] Why does a mobile phone need a remote control? [10:37] TwistedLucidity: it's the other way around :) [10:37] TwistedLucidity: phone talks to black box which sends out IR to all devices [10:37] "Well, I found my phone but where's the remote? DAMMIT!" [10:38] MartijnVdS, i got a netgear wifi extender yesterday, it's better rated than today's tp-link wifi range extender [10:39] MartijnVdS: I used to use my PalmPilot as a multi-device remote, worked really well. [10:40] MartijnVdS: we would have considered getting one if our AV Receiver didn't do a pretty good job on its own already [10:40] well, the AV receiver remote [10:42] Myrtti: All my other remotes are *bad* [10:42] yeah, so were ours [10:43] just happy that we got a good remote on the av receiver [10:43] the only thing I don't like about it is the Spotify app on it being a bit pants [10:43] Myrtti: oh, is it an Onkyo? [10:43] yeah [10:44] I can't control any of my other devices with my Onkyo remote :( [10:44] well, I could control them a bit, if I enabled HDMI Control stuff [10:44] to compensate with the Spotify thing being bad I bought the bluetooth thingie I linked earier [10:44] but then it'd turn the TV on when I just want to listen to a CD ... [10:44] so I can play spotify from my phone [10:45] (yes, I "still" listen to CDs) [11:10] CDs are a legacy technology now. The last time I bought one was a few years ago. [11:10] bashrc: I still buy several each month :) [11:11] typically I just download MP3s - from legal sources of course - so long as there isn't any DRM attached to them [11:12] it's a lot more convenient than the physical media [11:12] my consumption of DD floppies averages out to a couple a month, doesn't mean they're not legacy [11:13] new music is still released on CD.. [11:13] true [11:13] the future is here, it's just not evenly distributed [11:13] shauno: what on earth are you doing with them? [11:13] new music is still released on vinyl ;) [11:13] shauno: that *is* silly :P [11:14] inferior analog technology! [11:33] cd is a retro format, like vinyl [11:33] but my car supports only CD or line-in [11:34] mine supports bluetooth as well [11:34] A2DP [11:56] 120GB SSD http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00BQ4F9ZA/ [11:57] 55 quid vs 70 quid [11:57] nice [12:05] I'm finding it quite frustrating that ssd prices really haven't dipped in a while [12:06] I'll be happy when 500gb ssd's are £100 ish [12:06] indeed [12:07] I think the current small sizes are the thing that's stopping gamers from buying them. If the released some relatively cheap 500s, they'd see a massive upswell in sales [12:11] SuperMatt: people are still afraid of SSDs breaking quicker than spinning rust [12:13] then don't use them for important files [12:13] games, yes! all your photos ever: nuh-uh [12:14] at worst you have to redownload your games if the disk fails [12:15] they fail to read-only [12:16] rather than a crunchy scratchy mess [12:16] gamers are the ones buying SSDs [12:16] AlanBell: Doesn't seem to always be the case - the only two people I know of whose SSDs have failed have failed to bricks [12:17] which is why so many are gamer-centric in their marketing & presentation, and coming from gamer peripheral companies like corsair [12:17] they are designed to fail to read-only and I have heard from some people who had that failure mode [12:17] but SSDs are great for the boot drive or dev - they're just amazing on boot times [12:17] most SSDs don't fail to read-only. that's one of the biggest factors for brand choice [12:17] i.e. intel drives should fail to read-only. an ocz won't [12:18] intel++ [12:18] penguin42, not just boot... all slow app startups. of which games can be the worst [12:19] nod [12:19] level loading times [12:19] yes [12:19] modern games need to spool several gig of textures, maps, etc, off the disk in a single level [12:20] I've heard stories of people being banned for cheating because their load times were too low (this was when SSDs were very new) [12:21] bah, royal snail thing through the door [12:21] customs charge + vat [12:22] bet this is my 3doodler [12:22] in 2004, i discovered that linux/reiserfs was much faster to load unreal tournament 2004 maps than xp/ntfs on my pc [12:22] so i used linux for online gaming, to get onto a map a few seconds sooner [12:22] so i could get the best guns and vehicle before the rest of my team finished spawning [12:24] haha [12:28] is youtube broken today for everyone else? most videos stop loading a few seconds in [12:28] popey: uhoh :-( we only got ThriftyVac today [12:28] When Blueyonder were new and I was still on there dialup, I used to connect to BY Game servers quick than anyone else and used to have very very low pings, always used to get accused of something [12:30] i remember Wireplay [12:30] Ah yes Wireplay days [12:30] I admin'd a few WP servers but I was mainly a BY admin [12:31] And then after the demise of BY I moved over to Multiplay, ran my own servers and helped admin the MP servers [12:31] And then had kids and it pretty much all stopped :) [12:43] right now youtube is taking about 3 minutes to download 15 or 30 second chunks of video [12:43] it's annoying [12:43] \o/ it is [12:44] Just trying now, seems to work fine here [12:44] it's video dependent [12:44] A minute in an no buffering/break [12:44] ah [12:46] at 2pm my digital camera is on amazon black friday [12:46] for rather less than i paid for it [12:46] http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B003VTZ7TQ/ [12:47] directhex: That's the price before it gets black-friday'd [12:47] penguin42, yep. i paid around £400. [12:47] directhex: How many times have you used it? [12:47] prices drop, apparently [12:47] penguin42, took it to the USA, it was great === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away [13:28] popey: how much was the customs and VAT? === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [13:30] popey, it's not just that. It's customs + VAT (if any) + Royal Mail service charge. If you speak to HMRC, you can get all the taxes done before hand and avoid the Royal Mail charge. [13:30] ooh, a notice from the Machine of Death people that they'll be sending my game soon [13:30] * TwistedLucidity periodically imports motorcycle parts [13:30] popey: did you get that as well? [13:31] TwistedLucidity: i know ☻ [13:31] it was about 14 quid [13:31] no, 15 [13:31] hey, it's €14 for PostNL [13:31] popey: Of course, the question becomes which bloody category the "thing" falls under. [13:31] what a coincidence [13:32] the handling fee bugs me here. if customs stop it I get charged 7eur, whether there's any import fees due or not [13:33] shauno: oh we don't have that.. just the service charge, and only if customs decides to require fees [13:33] Anyone got advice on laptop locks? i.e. which ones resist picking, forcing, cutting etc? Can't find any destruction tests. [13:33] Anyone here use any graphing software in there web apps ? like HighCharts [13:34] I'm pretty sure highcharts is exactly the one I use [13:34] TwistedLucidity: they're not meant for that, they're meant to deter people from just running away with the laptop. [13:34] TwistedLucidity: with enough force you can get them off, but that tends to be conspicuous [13:35] and dam,age the casing [13:35] MartijnVdS: If they are too easy to pick/force; they are worthless. [13:35] shauno: It is the best it seems :) need something for a web app that I'm 99% sure my boss won't pay for so just looking at any other recommendations [13:35] TwistedLucidity: sure, you want it to be conspicuous :) [13:35] TwistedLucidity, increasing theft time from 0s to 10s makes your laptop the riskiest in a set of un-locked laptops [13:36] MartijnVdS: Not really, the circular keys are often prone to simple attacks. A decent thief could basically "palm" the lock and walk off, if the lock is vulnerable. [13:37] diplo: that's pretty much what I arrived at. chart.js looks pretty too, but has no interactivity (by design), which tends to be a simple touch that makes my quick botches look fancier than they are [13:40] I'm not worried about interactivity at the mo, I just found that one as well [13:40] Going to give it a go in a bit [13:41] cheers [13:49] TwistedLucidity: experience shows us that doesn't happen. theifs go for the easiest one to steal, the one that isnt locked [13:54] hm, that's a new one.. Google Calendar invitation spam [13:57] popey: That's true, any lock is better than no lock. But if I am going to have a lock...may as well find a semi-decent one, y'know? [13:57] * popey shrugs [13:57] what are you going to lock it to? [13:58] the inside of a bank vault? ;) [13:58] ali1234: If I locked it to something it wouldn't be portable. [13:58] * TwistedLucidity is joking [13:59] Turns out Targus Defcon is highly rated. Good locks, so that'll do me. [13:59] i'm so confused [13:59] ali1234: that's okay, we know [13:59] ali1234: I was joking. [13:59] which time tho? [14:00] all the time! [14:00] It will, most likely, be locked to a table in the office. An office with a sad history of laptops, USB drives and even monitors(!) disappearing. [14:01] you'll get to work and find no table [14:01] or missing a leg [14:01] or a leg bent [14:01] more campaign thingies against surveillance: https://en.necessaryandproportionate.org/take-action/ORG [14:02] actually that's a good campaign title: "THINGIES AGAINST SURVEILLANCE" [14:02] That's where the tracker comes in. But then we hit issues with encrypted swap. Hey ho, life is never simple. [14:02] diddledan: "add your name, address and bank details to this list of people to protect your privacy" [14:03] AlanBell: he needs to add pin and csv as well just to be sure. [14:04] MooDoo: also, expiration date and ccv ;) === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [14:06] AlanBell: can you think of a better way? [14:08] diddledan: ORG is a somewhat good organisation, I was just amused by the idea of compiling a list of names of people who don't like to be named on a list [14:09] diddledan: Make the tools easier to use and more commonly known to allow folks to go "dark". Yes this will have consequences, but the bad guys already know how to do it. [14:09] is there a moderately sensible way to get a 3.2 kernel on saucy? [14:09] I tried upgrading to trusty but do-release-upgrade -d failed and rolled back [14:10] 3.2? [14:10] you mean 3.12? [14:11] kernel bug 61621 suggests that it should be fixed in 3.12 [14:11] bug 61621 in madman (Ubuntu) "segmentation fault in madman" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/61621 [14:11] yes, sorry, 3.12 [14:11] well there is always the kernel ppa... [14:11] Or compile.... [14:11] http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.12-saucy/ [14:11] yes, just get it from http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ [14:11] if that works, just build your own package [14:12] bah [14:12] perfect :) [14:12] thats the kernel I'm running [14:12] the mainline ppa doesn't have ubuntu patches [14:12] http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.12-saucy/ [14:12] but i'm not really sure what those are good for anyway [14:12] proving if a problem exists as a result of ubuntu patches and proving it exists in upstream later release kernels [14:12] gives the kernel team the right place to focus [14:13] no, i mean i'm not really sure what the point of ubuntu's patches is [14:13] since they don't seem to do anything [14:15] thats one for cking [14:16] Improving performance with Amazon? :-D [14:16] increasing my work load? ;-) [14:16] destroying desktop interactivity by setting swappiness far too high? [14:17] did that spaceship ever take off yesterday? [14:18] Nope, thursday now [14:20] ali1234: question for you, I have one of these http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51nW4RudxmL._SL1000_.jpg been trying to open it up...is it sane to even try to open it up? (It's a USB battery for charging phones and stuff) [14:20] what do you mean? [14:20] if you get it open you probably won't find anything useful inside [14:20] like, I'm trying to get into the case [14:20] just a lithium battery and charging circuit [14:21] the charging circuit will probably die if disconnected from the battery [14:21] I saw a hack the other day where someone opened up a nexus 7, ripped apart a QI charging case for a phone, stuck the coil inside and wired it up to the USB port, essentially adding QI charging to a Nexus 7 v1 [14:21] was hoping to do the same with my battery [14:21] why not just build it from scratch? [14:22] you raise a good argument [14:22] would require learning, but this sort of thing is what project boxes were made for [14:22] i have no idea how easy it would be to get inside that case [14:22] I've been trying for a while, it really doesn't wanna come open [14:22] but it should be possible to do what you're describing [14:22] photos? [14:23] proper ones showing the back [14:24] https://plus.google.com/u/0/+RodWhitby/posts/fAse7vGmc3q [14:24] that kind of thing? [14:25] yup the one I saw was a bit simpler though [14:25] the nexus 7 is really easy to open, but not so easy to put back together [14:26] photos taking forever to upload \o/ [14:26] the back is loose now [14:26] ali1234: really? I opened mine and put it back no problem [14:26] same here [14:26] mine now squeaks when you squeeze it in a certain place [14:26] is it on right? [14:26] yes [14:26] i think there was some glue on it [14:26] i found mine did squeak once when it wasn't on right [14:26] removed and re-attached [14:27] i will give it a try [14:27] ali1234: Gaffa-tape? [14:27] jaffa-tape \o/ [14:27] Jabber \o/ [14:28] Shabba \o/ [14:28] * Seeker` remember when Matt J used to respond to that instantly [14:28] why on earth are my photos taking so long to upload :( [14:28] Azelphur: because your upstream bandwidth is 0? [14:29] oops, helps if I have my phone connected to wifi and not 3g :) [14:29] i accidentally downloaded a cyanogen rom on 3g the other day [14:29] left it downloading, didn't realise i turned wifi off [14:30] I have more 4G bandwidth than wifi speed at work [14:30] 25mbit up + 25 down instead of 25 down, 1 up [14:30] MartijnVdS: if you keep doing that...I WILL come and live with you. [14:30] xD [14:30] you and your actually having decent internet [14:30]