=== duflu_ is now known as duflu [06:45] Bonjour tout le monde [06:46] tout le monde: bonjour ;) [07:06] good morning everyone [07:10] mlankhorst: thanks, LTS-S working great here :) (with one workaround I needed related to the understandable upstream changes) [09:01] morning [09:03] happyaron: ok, doing [09:07] good morning desktopers! [09:07] Laney, hey [09:07] hey seb128 [09:15] Mirv: well if the same workaround would have been needed for saucy, great. :P [09:15] oh grr, I need to figure out a bug on that one still [09:17] Laney: thanks, :) [09:17] fonts-droid will need promoting first though [09:18] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fonts-android/+bug/1249132 [09:18] Launchpad bug 1249132 in fonts-android (Ubuntu) "[MIR] fonts-android" [Undecided,Fix committed] [09:18] mterry said he did that, and just waiting it to being seeded. but I have no idea where we are. [09:18] seb128: could you do the honours? [09:20] Laney, sure [09:20] merci [09:20] mlankhorst: yeah, it would have, it's upstream change and I just finished a blog post on it too http://losca.blogspot.fi/2013/11/workaround-for-setting-full-rgb-when.html [09:21] ah :p [09:22] Laney, done [09:22] \o/ [10:03] * didrocks feels guilty [10:04] seb128: do you know who is active on indicator-messages? [10:04] didrocks, what did you do again? [10:04] I'm going to ask for something! [10:04] ;) [10:04] lol [10:04] larsu, HIDE [10:04] roh, you made the connection too quick :p [10:04] didrocks, is that the "timestamp and content is sometime wrong on the phone"? [10:04] basically we have that one: bug #1253810 [10:04] Launchpad bug 1253810 in indicator-messages (Ubuntu) "Messages in Incoming not always display the correct date and content" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1253810 [10:04] yep [10:05] I had a feeling that would come our way soon :p [10:05] did that start with https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-messages/13.10.1+14.04.20131125-0ubuntu1 ? [10:05] no [10:05] report is from 21 [10:05] seb128: some people mentionned image 27 at least, so yeah, a little bit older [10:05] not sure if it was a hidden bug which is now easier to report [10:06] weird, the indicator didn't change before 10-29 and 11-25 though [10:06] yep, can be as well something else in the pipe [10:06] rsalveti told that he checked the ofono side though [10:07] (and messaging app is fine) [10:07] so not a service side [10:07] * didrocks hopes for a trivial bug [10:08] it would be more trivial to debug with a reproducer [10:08] do you have an easy way to trigger it? [10:08] agreed, I have no more information than the bug report [10:08] it was mentionned in the meeting, without the regression tag (as my comment and tag addition) [10:09] seems people were upset (what ogra_ told) about it, but it wasn't raised :) [10:10] seb128, i still see the 12h/24h issue (once the panel clock loads my clock goes to 12h ...), it smells a bit like these are related [10:10] ogra_, that sounds like a bug in the sdk/some of the qml component [10:11] didrocks, ^ [10:11] ya, I can't think of a change in the indicator itself that might trigger that [10:11] well to me it looks like the clock backend fires up before ~/.pam-environment is read ... but i dont know how that would be technically possible [10:11] rsalveti: received 10 sms, got the issue 4 times [10:11] from the irlogs [10:11] whoever reproduces it next, please ping me before interacting with the mesage [10:11] *message [10:11] rsalveti, ^ when you wake up [10:12] we need help debugging from somebody who gets the issue [10:12] or Ursinha ^^^ [10:12] ogra_: reading the backlog, people don't seem to have been as upset or doing buzz around it as you told doing the meeting :) [10:12] seb128: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/11/26/%23ubuntu-ci-eng.html#t20:45 FYI [10:13] didrocks, thanks [10:13] seems like Ursinha and rsalveti have it easily [10:13] didrocks, did i say that ? i only said ricardo complained about another regression [10:13] so they can probably help us debug when they get up [10:14] ogra_: well, you clearly used the word "upset" in the hangout, so I found it quite strong and thought people raised alarms :) [10:14] (probably complained was the wrong word, sorry) [10:14] ogra_: no worry, just be careful with words, people can imagine other things :) [10:22] seb128, can install the indicator-datetime? [10:22] +I [10:23] Kaleo, the ido fix is in, so you should be fine yes [10:24] seb128, thanks! [10:24] yw [10:24] Kaleo, just for info, we have a less frequent issue that is pending landing (https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/ido/remove-idle-source/+merge/196841) [10:25] but I've seen that one only once [10:26] ok [10:26] so if I see my cpu 100% [10:26] I know why :) [10:27] yeah, you clearly need more CPU then :) [10:28] brb [10:35] xnox: just uploaded mythtv, want to wrangle the transitional package or whatever it is for samba? [10:37] Laney: yeap. was poking it already. [10:37] neat [10:37] then it'll just be tbird [10:37] \o/ [10:37] Laney: thanks a lot for your help. [10:38] np [10:38] looking forward to seeing it in [10:38] well, it will have to go through new... [10:38] cause imho samba*4 dummy transitional packages should be in src:samba, and src:samba4 dropped. [10:38] larsu, overlay scrollbars on gtk2 are happy again with your new commit ;-) [10:38] I'm sure you are well connected enough to make that happen :P [10:39] Laney: LOL =) [10:50] oops [10:50] just rm -rf * in my home directory [10:50] luckily caught it before it went very far ... [10:55] urg [10:56] I tend to try to avoid that command, I usually go down a directory and rm subdir/... [10:59] yeah... [10:59] I thought I was in temp/ [11:00] oh well, most of the stuff it deleted is synced anyway [11:11] seb128: hello! :D [11:11] sil2100, hey, how are you? [11:11] seb128: fine, thanks :) And you? [11:11] I'm good thanks [11:12] seb128: runnnnnnnn :) [11:12] didrocks, yeah, I was thinking about that ;-) [11:14] seb128: I think you saw that, but indicator-messages is out of the loop, seems Unity8 :) [11:16] didrocks, no, I didn't, but good to read [11:16] larsu, ^ [11:18] seb128: I'm not sure if this was preNEWed already or not, since we were doing a packaging review like a few months ago, but could you take a look at lp:unity-voice ? [11:18] didrocks, was it again Saviq making bugs and trying to blame it on us? [11:18] sil2100, sure [11:18] seb128: there's one copyright mismatch that I'll fix (one of the autopilot files has an invalid LGPL header), but besides that it looks fine [11:18] seb128: thank you! [11:18] seb128, *making* them? it's not a regression :P [11:19] seb128, and I haven't seen steps to reproduce yet :P [11:19] seb128: completely all their fault! :) [11:20] chrisccoulson, hey, so turned out that the addon porting was non trivial? or did you get lazy and just didn't want to do it? ;-) [11:21] didrocks, btw tb got uploaded, can we get an ido landing for the other fix? [11:21] seb128, the latter for now. i'll have a proper look at it when i have a bit more time ;) [11:21] chrisccoulson, k [11:21] ooh, getting close [11:22] seb128: sure, Mirv: mind taking care of that? ^ [11:22] turns out my rm accident wiped out a load of config files [11:22] which then synced them to the cloud and deleted them from my desktop too [11:22] * Laney coughs [11:23] Laney: syncing to the cloud is not a backup! :) [11:23] but you had deja-dup right? ;) [11:23] I did have not-too-old copies [11:23] of most of them, not every single one [11:23] but it's alright, got the important ones back [11:27] Laney, :-( [11:28] $ mv configs zzzconfigs ;-) [11:30] seb128: ah, cool [11:30] did you ping dednick about it? [11:31] larsu, no, but I guess they are aware of the issue/on it since didrocks said it's a bug on their side [11:32] ah okay [11:33] * larsu goes back to his pizza then [11:37] didrocks: so, ido/trusty + unity7 AP (what indicators stack check job would do if it'd work at the moment) for it? [11:38] Mirv: I don't think ido is used on touch [11:38] seb128: right? ^ [11:38] Mirv: so yeah, only a rebuild with the indicators stack check tests [11:39] larsu, hum, pizza, me wants! [11:39] didrocks, Mirv: no, it's not, it's a set of GTK widgets [11:39] POA [11:39] Pizza On Air [11:39] didrocks, is that like the virtual beer at vUDS? [11:39] didrocks: unfortunately the check part doesn't work because of evolution migration (or at least didn't on Monday), so I'll run them manually if needed [11:39] * seb128 wants real pizza and beers! [11:41] seb128: beer for lunch? Are you German? :P [11:41] * Mirv building ido in daily-build [11:41] seb128: yeah, but more solid :p [11:42] Mirv: ok ;) [11:44] larsu, well, some things just match ;-) [11:45] (the other option is soda+pizza, but that would makes me feel american, I prefer being german ;-) [11:46] great, now I feel bad for having water with my pizza [11:46] I'm noticing btw now the same python problem I had on device on desktop :S "... module incorrectly imported from [path]. Expected [the same path]. . Is this module globally installed?" [11:46] larsu, what, are you french?! [11:46] * seb128 hugs larsu [11:46] haha [11:47] Mirv: what have you done? ;) [11:49] didrocks: I have zero idea :) filed bug #1255505 [11:49] Launchpad bug 1255505 in autopilot (Ubuntu) "autopilot crashed with ImportError in _find_tests(): 'test_switcher' module incorrectly imported from '/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/unity/tests'. Expected '/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/unity/tests'. Is this module globally installed?" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1255505 [11:49] because apport kindly offered it [11:50] ;) [11:53] hm, on the desktop, what component exactly does control the desktop wallpaper? [11:54] sil2100: nautilus displays it [12:09] waow, Microsoft starts to be agressive (maybe feeling that this christmas a lot of people will buy a chromebook): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-y2mqoDjQXI&noredirect=1 [12:10] (funny though that they post the video on … youtube :p) === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch === alan_g is now known as alan_g|afk [12:12] bingtube would reach so much more people and all [12:13] heh, sure! :) [12:14] didrocks: that's hilarious [12:14] larsu: I find it funny as well, if you take that with a big grain of salt :) [12:14] I have the feeling that whole campaign is worse for microsoft than it is for google [12:15] "scroogled", seriously? [12:15] larsu: knowing that for being on the chromebook, all chrome apps need to work offline by default for instance, so their main argument are totally FUD :) [12:15] larsu: yeah, the "scroogled" term is awesome, I recognize that :) [12:16] "see this logo, it means it's not a real computer" [12:16] :) [12:16] ha, yeah [12:16] * ogra_ googles bingtube [12:16] also, I don't think people buying those think that there's windows on them [12:16] (for the irony) [12:16] I think they're buying them because there's _no_ windows on them [12:16] right, I agree with you [12:17] ogra_: argh, it seems it's not an url safe for work :) [12:17] lol [12:18] didrocks, did you know that our new sensor handling service is calles usensord ... try that one ;) [12:18] oh, it changed ! [12:18] ogra_: my whole first page are only launchpad and google plus results [12:18] yeah, great [12:18] from a guy, "Michael… something?" ;) [12:18] it used to find a lot chinese portn [12:18] interesting… [12:19] "ucensored" [12:19] oh right [12:19] ah === alan_g|afk is now known as alan_g [12:26] larsu, oh, fcitx preferences UI has the same issue than update-manager with 3.10 (e.g a list reduced to one line rather than taking the space it should) [12:28] fcitx? [12:28] larsu, the new ibus :p [12:29] larsu, you clearly need to learn more about input, you should take over attente's job for a cycle, just trade or something ;-) [12:30] * larsu runs [12:30] didrocks, I like how the video get 3 times more thumbs down [12:30] seb128: hm, works fine for me. You mean the window that pops up when you click on indicator/configure? [12:30] larsu, no, fcitx is another input framework, which is not ibus [12:31] larsu, that's what Kylin is using and they would like us to switch to it [12:31] right, I just installed that [12:31] and it gives me an app indicator [12:31] right [12:31] click the configure entry [12:31] yep [12:31] seb128: yeah, bad commercials are punished, I have faith again! [12:31] the input tab (the first one) [12:31] weirdness, it works for me. Are you on 3.10.3? [12:32] larsu, well, for me the first tab has its language list being one line at the top [12:32] then lot of empty space [12:32] then one line at the bottom [12:33] seb128: http://i.imgur.com/EGuJeSB.png [12:33] larsu, let me try again, I'm on 3.8.8 atm, was testing the new version before uploading and testing that scrollbars work on 3.8 [12:33] ah right [12:33] larsu, well, 3.8 works, I was having the issue yesterday on 3.10.4 [12:33] I still have the issue in update-manager [12:34] larsu, oh, sorry [12:34] larsu, click the "+" at the bottom [12:34] seb128: hey, if you do decide to stay on ibus...can we at least kill the stupid notification on first login? [12:34] that's the dialog which has the issue [12:35] seb128: ah, got the same. Thanks [12:35] mdeslaur, the one saying that your key migrated? I wish I was able to get that one, people mentioned it but it just doesn't happen here [12:35] larsu, yw [12:35] didrocks: FYI it was python 2.7 update that breaks autopilot for me. downgrading to 2.7.5-8ubuntu4 made it possible for me to run the tests (and sooin release ido) [12:35] seb128: that's odd, I see it in all my vms, and I see it on the laptop I just installed yesterday [12:36] mdeslaur, I don't have fresh installs, but I do use guest sessions a lot and it doesn't happen there [12:36] mdeslaur, I guess I need to try a fresh install in a vm, that's annoying as a testcase though [12:37] Mirv: maybe you should ping doko about it [12:37] seb128: how weird, the guest session in my vm doesn't show it [12:37] mdeslaur, see! ;-) [12:38] didrocks: ok [12:38] seb128: I think my vm just got scared of you and stopped showing it [12:39] mdeslaur, good, so I fixed it, you own me a beer, I can deal with that ;-) [12:39] lol [12:42] seb128: ido uploaded [12:42] Mirv, thanks! [12:46] Mirv: argh, I have another script broken by this python upload as well [12:52] seb128: what does ibus-ui-gtk3 do? [12:53] mdeslaur, I think that's what gives you the "predictions" [12:53] mdeslaur, e.g http://hanboyang.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/ibus.jpeg [12:54] not sure though [12:54] happyaron probably knows better === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:04] larsu: what do you need for bug 1253810 [13:04] Launchpad bug 1253810 in unity8 (Ubuntu) "Messages in Incoming not always display the correct date and content" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1253810 [13:05] mdeslaur: basically the small windows that displays the candidate list. === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [13:06] rsalveti: apparently somebody already figured out that it is an issue in unity8 and not the indicator. I'm afraid I can't help much anymore... [13:08] larsu, well, it seems you are involved in the unity8 branch linked to this bug as well ;-) [13:08] but yeah [13:08] rsalveti, check with Saviq I guess, maybe you can try the unity8 fix in there [13:08] hm, cool [13:09] hm, are you guys sure that's the issue? [13:09] larsu, I've no idea, just relaying what Saviq and didrocks said [13:09] Saviq, ^? [13:09] * ogra_ still thinks it is related to the werid clock behavior that shows when the datetime indicator starts [13:10] ... which reminds me ... to filnally file a bug about that :P [13:10] ogra_: that's unlikely [13:10] but please file a bug [13:10] :) [13:10] rsalveti: do you have one of those messages in the menu right now [13:10] ? [13:10] seb128, ogra_, if you're talking about the indicator bug that I filed, it's easily reproducible [13:11] larsu, no I'm not sure that's the issue, but then I'm not sure unity8 should even care - as in why couldn't the indicator give up preformatted strings? [13:11] larsu: nops, but can try to reproduce [13:11] Ursinha, the one that restets my clocks on the system ? [13:11] I'm seeing those since r27, and it's like 4 out of 10 msgs [13:11] (from 24h to 12h) [13:11] Ursinha, yeah, if you have it, larsu might want to have some details [13:11] larsu, it's what we're doing for i18n - strings come pre-translated, I'm not sure why date formatting should be different [13:12] ogra_, no, I haven't noticed that... but I can pay more attention to see if I find it too [13:12] Ursinha, does brazil use 24h time format ? [13:12] i think it is closely tied to your locale [13:13] ogra_, afaik there's not really a standard here [13:13] Saviq: so that we don't have to send a dbus message every minute [13:13] I never use brazilian portuguese or brazilian locale for anything [13:13] or every second for people who like seeing seconds [13:13] Ursinha, well, the locale setting sets the display format for the time [13:14] larsu, maybe, yeah [13:15] Saviq: tbh, that's not an issue with the current design of the messaging menu (it shows absolute times). It used to be relative times, like on the desktop. And the time indicator has the issue anyway [13:15] btw I'm having a transient (it seems) issue that I click on icons but applications don't open [13:15] Saviq, is that your stuff? [13:15] whoever has this issue right now, please execute `gdbus call --session --dest com.canonical.indicator.messages --object-path /com/canonical/indicator/messages/phone --method org.gtk.Menus.Start [0,1]` [13:16] and tell me when the message should have arrived :) [13:16] once I'm able to open applications I'll test that for you [13:16] thanks [13:16] bug 1255530 [13:16] Launchpad bug 1255530 in indicator-datetime (Ubuntu) "system clock gets forcefully set to 12h (AM/PM) as soon as the panel clock starts" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1255530 [13:16] I don't want to reboot and miss the bug that I seem to have here right now [13:17] Ursinha, depends, can you see interesting things in unity8.log? [13:17] ogra_: cool bug. What does `gsettings get com.canonical.indicator.datetime time-format?` give you? [13:18] (process:4391): dconf-CRITICAL **: unable to create directory '/root/.cache/dconf': Read-only file system. dconf will not work properly. [13:18] 'locale-default' [13:18] running as root? [13:18] ogra_: no as root please.. [13:18] (would probably be nice to tell dconf to not try to use /root/ :) ) [13:19] dconf should find out if its running as root and bail? [13:19] Saviq, nothing is added to unity8 log when I try to open applications [13:19] no, it should just not try to create a user db for the root user [13:19] but I tried to open them via shell and: [13:19] 'locale-default' is the output btw [13:20] phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ upstart-app-launch webbrowser-app [13:20] ** (process:11378): WARNING **: Unable to connect to the Upstart Session: Empty address '' [13:20] Ursinha, how did you become phabletz [13:20] (dont use su !) [13:20] ogra_, how should I do that? :) [13:20] sudo -u phablet -i [13:20] ogra_: okay that sounds good. I'll ping charles about this bug when he's up. [13:20] sudo -u phablet -i [13:20] \o/ [13:20] popey, wins [13:20] ssh phablet@ ;P [13:20] :) [13:20] thanks :) but same error [13:21] sounds like the upstart session got b0rked [13:21] you need to specify the APP_ID bit don't you? [13:21] popey, webbrowser-app is no click [13:21] used to work before [13:21] ah [13:21] phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ upstart-app-launch webbrowser-app [13:21] phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ [13:21] works fine for me [13:21] me 2 [13:21] ogra_, Ursinha yeah, your upstart session got borked somehow [13:21] me 4 [13:21] ogra_, I'm not saying the bug is permanent, I'm saying it's happening right now [13:21] me 8 [13:21] me 128 [13:21] lol [13:21] hah [13:21] :P [13:22] ;-) [13:22] seb128 won [13:22] \o/ [13:22] seb128, you can't count :P [13:22] but I'm reporting a transient issue, people [13:22] lots! [13:22] Saviq, who cares, I won :p [13:22] Ursinha: can you start webbrowser from the icon? [13:22] popey, no, that was the first thing she tried [13:22] popey, no, as I said, I can't open [13:22] ah [13:22] Ursinha, well, i never had it not working before ... did you restart your session but did not re-login the user ? [13:22] thanks Saviq :) [13:23] ogra_, I did nothing, that stopped working and I came here to ask directions to debug that [13:23] because I didn't want to dismiss the bug [13:23] well if your unity session crashed, the session env vars will be updated in ~/.bashrc [13:23] if you dont log in again the vars are wrong [13:24] there ios sadly no sane way around this without making unity kick you out of the shell when it restarts or some such [13:24] ogra_: hm, thought unity8 would use the same env if restarted [13:25] ogra_, what should I look for in the logs? [13:25] rsalveti, well, lightdm sets new vars [13:25] Ursinha, try a second adb session and see if it works from there [13:25] if it does, then it is this ... well, ... i dont like to call it bug ... its a design flaw [13:26] rsalveti, it cant, there is a new dbus address and a new upstart session ... the env vars get other values [13:26] no man, I have like five different shells and none work [13:26] seb128, happyaron: how about something like this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/6484307/ [13:26] and there is no way to tell bash to reaload it from outside the shell session [13:26] *reload [13:27] mdeslaur, where is prev_version coming from? [13:27] Ursinha: in theory the upstart session address is located at the UPSTART_SESSION env var [13:28] seb128: gsettings I believe [13:28] mdeslaur, where is that not happening in a guest session? [13:28] seb128: it is happening for me in a guest session on real hardware [13:28] not here [13:28] seb128: I think the vm screen isn't coming up fast enough to see the actual notification [13:28] seems a bit random :/ [13:28] Ursinha, rsalveti http://paste.ubuntu.com/6484317/ are the code snippüets in question [13:29] -ü [13:29] rsalveti, UPSTART_SESSION is empty [13:29] mdeslaur, in any case the patch looks fine to me [13:29] how did that happen? [13:29] seb128: ok, let me send it upstream, file a bug, etc. thanks [13:29] mdeslaur, thank you! [13:29] ogra_: right [13:30] let me try killing my unity8 to see [13:30] Ursinha, even if you enter a new adb session and use "sudo -u phablet -i" [13:30] ogra_, yes sir [13:30] can you check if /etc/profile.d/ still has the dbus and upstart snippets ? [13:31] sure [13:31] hahah, my screen is now flashing after killing unity8 [13:31] they usually get processed by sudo-ing [13:31] lol [13:31] rsalveti, how did you "kill" it ? [13:31] kill -9 [13:31] ugh [13:31] ogra_, upstart part is there [13:31] use upstart [13:32] ogra_: well, I'm simulating a crash [13:32] I don't want to nicely kill it [13:32] it wont clean up after itself if you just kill it [13:32] :-) [13:32] Ursinha, dbus not ? [13:32] I want to see if unity8 would recover after a crash [13:32] * ogra_ definitely has it here on r31 [13:32] ogra_, but if it dies it won't clean up after itself, so it's a bug [13:32] we should probably have a test case for that [13:32] ogra_, yes, both are here [13:32] Ursinha, well, upstart should clean up [13:33] ogra_, but if it dies... as rsalveti said, it should be tested [13:33] Ursinha: what do you have with /sbin/initctl list-sessions [13:33]