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| pitti | Good morning | 06:45 |
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| jibel | Good morning | 07:00 |
| pitti | jibel: I'm deeply concerned | 07:19 |
| jibel | pitti, about? | 07:19 |
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| pitti | jibel: I'm through my morning email, and I'm missing the usual dozen "jenkins failed" mails | 07:19 |
| pitti | I only got a "fixed" one for python2.7 | 07:19 |
| pitti | OMGwhatiswrong? | 07:20 |
| jibel | pitti, do you miss them? | 07:22 |
| pitti | muchly! no swearing to do this morning | 07:22 |
| jibel | pitti, I can configure the jobs to send you an email on every run if that makes feel you better? | 07:23 |
| pitti | oh yes please, more email | 07:24 |
| jibel | ah, lubuntu is fixed! | 07:33 |
| jibel | DanChapman, Good morning, lubuntu should be running correctly now | 08:28 |
| jibel | DanChapman, the problem was that autopilot was running twice because lubuntu now honors etc/xdg/autostart which it didn't few weeks ago | 08:29 |
| jibel | I don't know if it was a bug before that I naively worked around or if it is a bug now | 08:29 |
| jibel | anyway, I added lock file to ensure run-autopilot starts only once | 08:30 |
| jibel | and also retry apt several times if it fails to install additional packages | 08:30 |
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| DanChapman | jibel, good morning :-) awesome thank you! well that makes more sense as to why it stopped running, but yes it does sound like it might be a bug | 09:09 |
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| davmor2 | Morning all | 11:22 |
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| elopio | good morning everybody. | 13:50 |
| elopio | we will have 30 minutes of QA talks: http://youtu.be/Zhu_4xF5aAw | 13:50 |
| elopio | starting in 10. | 13:50 |
| DanChapman | good morning elopio o/ | 13:50 |
| elopio | hello DanChapman | 13:51 |
| jibel | pitti, re. secure boot testing, I did an initial test with qemu, a 1GB disk, and automated partitioner failed :/ | 13:59 |
| pitti | jibel: you mean UEFI? | 13:59 |
| pitti | jibel: ah yes, I think I remember | 13:59 |
| jibel | pitti, yes | 14:00 |
| pitti | jibel: could be that I had to use manual partitioning | 14:00 |
| pitti | jibel: so, nice test case :) | 14:00 |
| pitti | jibel: oh wait, 1 GB is not nearly enough -- you need 4 or so | 14:00 |
| jibel | it allocates half of the drive to the efi partition and there is no room left for the os | 14:00 |
| elopio | and, starting now http://youtu.be/Zhu_4xF5aAw | 14:00 |
| jibel | yeah, I'll increase it but it's a base server install, it shouldn't require much space | 14:01 |
| pitti | jibel: indeed | 14:02 |
| pitti | mzanetti: so you can't directly access subobjects? what makes the top level widgets special? | 14:18 |
| mzanetti | pitti: every file has it's own context | 14:19 |
| pitti | mzanetti: I don't yet understand why creating these intermediate objects to make properties r/o is helpful | 14:19 |
| mzanetti | pitti: while the context gets propagated downwards, it is not propagated upwards | 14:19 |
| pitti | mzanetti: i. e. if mycat.weight is r/o, why can't I access mycat.internal.weight? | 14:19 |
| mzanetti | pitti: you can't do that from the outside of the file | 14:19 |
| mzanetti | pitti: for example: | 14:20 |
| pitti | mzanetti: so you only "see" the top level objects? | 14:20 |
| mzanetti | if you use the Cat {} in another file, you can access only the top level stuf | 14:20 |
| mzanetti | f | 14:20 |
| mzanetti | exactly | 14:20 |
| pitti | ah, ok; that was missing | 14:20 |
| vila | mzanetti: could you make stack.depth an attribute that emits an event when it's updated so that tests can subscribe to that instead of polling ? | 14:20 |
| pitti | mzanetti: and the findChild() is basically a workaround for this to make them accessible for tests after all | 14:20 |
| mzanetti | vila: yes. that's exactly what's happening | 14:20 |
| mzanetti | tryCompare() just waits for that signal and compares if the new value is what you want | 14:21 |
| mzanetti | pitti: exactly | 14:21 |
| vila | mzanetti: \o/ | 14:21 |
| pitti | mzanetti: thanks; that wasn't clear to me | 14:21 |
| mzanetti | pitti: np | 14:21 |
| pitti | mzanetti: I can't say that the "internal object" property wrapper is the utmost elegance, but good to know that you can if you must | 14:21 |
| mzanetti | pitti: yeah. usually I try to pack stuff into existing other items | 14:22 |
| mzanetti | pitti: but if you don't have that, you can use some new Item. I suggest QtObject {} in that case because it's the most lightweight | 14:22 |
| mzanetti | pitti: as in: it doesn't have anything to paint, Item {} and everything derived from that does | 14:22 |
| cgoldberg | virtualenv/tox slides: http://goldb.org/talks/2013/canonical-tox | 14:32 |
| pitti | thanks cgoldberg | 14:32 |
| elopio | mzanetti: so, when should we use javascript? Is there something that we can't or shouldn't do with the declarative lang? | 14:35 |
| mzanetti | elopio: rule of thumb: if you find yourself typing the word function there's a re really good chance you're on the wrong path | 14:36 |
| mzanetti | elopio: functions are useful for triggering stuff at components. for example the Cat.feed() | 14:36 |
| mzanetti | elopio: but even in there, try to keep the javascript as short as possible | 14:36 |
| mzanetti | elopio: try to just set one property and calculate the rest with property bindings | 14:36 |
| elopio | mzanetti: got it. | 14:37 |
| elopio | an interesting follow-up session would be best practices for combine c++ with qml | 14:37 |
| elopio | mzanetti: do you know somebody that can give that presentation? | 14:37 |
| mzanetti | elopio: tsdgeos, saviq, or myself I guess | 14:37 |
| elopio | mzanetti: ok, I'll ping them to get new people participating, and fall back to you :) | 14:38 |
| mzanetti | heh | 14:38 |
| elopio | mzanetti: last thing, can you make your slides public please? | 14:38 |
| mzanetti | ah, sure | 14:38 |
| mzanetti | elopio: done | 14:39 |
| elopio | thank you! | 14:39 |
| elopio | mzanetti: I'm sorry, what would be the link? | 14:41 |
| mzanetti | elopio: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/presentation/d/1O6lLjxgCT-kXwFAszvIN2bwG8ROIVpzm3dBvYZhiY9Y/edit#slide=id.g17ad694ca_038 | 14:41 |
| pitti | elopio: your dialer-app pep8 fix still fails; apparently there's some longer-time uninstallability of Qt5 in trusty-proposed :/ | 14:51 |
| elopio | pitti: yes, I've just read the email. :( | 14:51 |
| elopio | pitti: thanks for pushing it again. Should I talk with CI about the error? or have you done that already? | 14:52 |
| pitti | elopio: well, it's not a CI problem | 14:52 |
| pitti | /var/local/autopilot/setup.log: dialer-app : Depends: qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-telephony0.1 but it is not going to be installed or | 14:53 |
| pitti | /var/local/autopilot/setup.log: qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-telephony-plugin but it is not installable | 14:53 |
| pitti | elopio: that's a problem in the packaging of either dialer-app, or the telephony qt stuff | 14:53 |
| elopio | well, I was hoping CI to find the culprint and somebody to fix it. Maybe it's too much to ask from them :D | 14:54 |
| * pitti checks http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_output.txt | 14:54 | |
| pitti | ah, so evolution-data-server and folks seem to break it | 14:55 |
| elopio | *culprit | 14:55 |
| pitti | elopio: see #u-devel | 14:57 |
| elopio | thanks pitti. | 14:57 |
| barry | cgoldberg: nice talk. note that the venvs that tox creates can be activated and deactivated too. very handy | 15:04 |
| barry | you can create new environments | 15:04 |
| barry | pitti: ^^ | 15:04 |
| cgoldberg | barry, thanks! right.. once created you can go to .tox/ , and see your envs and activate/whatever | 15:05 |
| barry | i do that all the time :) .tox/py33/bin/activate etc... | 15:05 |
| * barry should really package up detox | 15:05 | |
| barry | sitepackages=True | 15:06 |
| barry | cgoldberg: ^^ | 15:06 |
| cgoldberg | detox is super cool. i'm surprised it's not just a switch on tox, instead of another package | 15:06 |
| barry | agreed | 15:06 |
| barry | re: sitepackages vs pypi. it's actually a bit problematic for debuntu. i'm in conversation w/upstream about things that would make tox nicer for distros | 15:07 |
| barry | great talks, thanks! | 15:07 |
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| elopio | barry: +1 in packaging detox :) | 16:43 |
| elopio | barry: would you be interested in doing a small talk about python 2 - 3 incompatibilities and how to solve or avoid them? | 16:47 |
| barry | elopio: sure | 16:47 |
| elopio | barry: :) at what time do you EOD? | 16:48 |
| barry | elopio: well, probably not *today* :) long usa holiday weekend coming up. but generally eod at 2300utc if my math/dst is correct :) | 16:49 |
| elopio | that's perfect. | 16:49 |
| elopio | barry: I'll look for the other speaker and get back to you to see a date. Maybe in two or three weeks, at a time close to your eod. | 16:50 |
| barry | elopio: sounds good! | 16:50 |
| elopio | thank you | 16:50 |
| DanChapman | jibel, does xterm need to be open during the test? an assertion error keeps popping up ('The following apps were started during the test and not closed: %r', [<Application 'XTerm'>, <Application 'Install Ubuntu 14.04 LTS'>]) which is strange considering xterm is open long before ubiquity launches | 17:27 |
| DanChapman | that error also suggests that xterm is top of the window stack aswell :-/ | 17:28 |
| TheLordOfTime | Ursinha, i see that the phone bug people are running into the Bug Control Only features that they need to set bugs triaged... xD | 17:41 |
| TheLordOfTime | oop i might've mishighlighted IDK.. my logs went away :/ | 17:41 |
| TheLordOfTime | if i mishighlighted ignore :) | 17:41 |
| dkessel | guten abend | 18:32 |
| jibel | DanChapman, no you can remove it, it was just a convenient to have a reliable terminal which always works in a VM and is rarely affected by rendering or performance issues | 18:49 |
| dkessel_testuser | testing pidgin | 19:18 |
| dkessel | ...and that is a pass on the manual test :) | 19:19 |
| elfy | balloons: is there going to be a ubuntu cadence schedule or are you just doing the exploratory thing | 19:22 |
| balloons | evening :-) | 19:22 |
| elfy | and hi ;) | 19:22 |
| balloons | just exploratory testing. We've got works items to spruce up the page a bit and to communicate it more | 19:22 |
| elfy | ok - thanks - just needed to know if you had a schedule at all - we'll roll our own :) | 19:23 |
| balloons | so yea, nothing beyond the milestones.. and for ubuntu there are no milestones before beta | 19:24 |
| elfy | actually be doing a bit of both 'cadence' and exploratory | 19:24 |
| elfy | yep | 19:24 |
| balloons | instead as we spoke about in the call for testing event, I wanted to push letting us collectively schedule testing events | 19:24 |
| balloons | so between that and exploratory testing, aka dogfooding, which many already do each cycle, I think we're covered | 19:24 |
| balloons | I'd like to just talk about being effective while dogfooding, etc | 19:25 |
| elfy | well to be honest I'm afraid I want to get on talking to our team - we've a lot of new stuff planned to land which needs to have some sort of schedule QA wise | 19:25 |
| elfy | not got time to wait for others to decide what they're going to collectively do ;) | 19:26 |
| Noskcaj | balloons, transmission-gtk launches fine for me, what autopilot and transmission versions do you have? | 19:30 |
| balloons | Noskcaj, let me check | 19:31 |
| balloons | Autopilot Source Version: 1.4.0 Autopilot Package Version: | 19:31 |
| balloons | 1.4+14.04.20131125-0ubuntu1 | 19:31 |
| Noskcaj | i'm pretty sure that's what i have too | 19:32 |
| balloons | autopilot launch -i Gtk transmission-gtk Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "autopilot" | 19:32 |
| DanChapman | jibel, lovely thanks mate, I'll just comment it out in the MP i have waiting atm. Easy enough to re-enable if needed that way | 19:46 |
| dkessel | Noskcaj, good evening. I have attached a screenshot to bug 1252438. can you have a look if you see the search box on it? | 19:46 |
| ubot5 | bug 1252438 in Ubuntu Manual Tests "lubuntu software center testcase - no search box" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1252438 | 19:46 |
| balloons | Noskcaj, are you on saucy or trusty? also, what output do you get in running transmission? | 19:48 |
| dkessel | btw: is software center crashing for you guys, too? | 19:49 |
| dkessel | on trusty? | 19:49 |
| balloons | dkessel, crash on start or ? | 19:50 |
| dkessel | yup... window shows up, then window becomes unresponsive... | 19:50 |
| Noskcaj | balloons, trusty, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6486135/ | 19:50 |
| balloons | Noskcaj, really? that's wild | 19:50 |
| balloons | dkessel, yes, same | 19:51 |
| dkessel | balloons, ok | 19:51 |
| Noskcaj | dkessel, lsc has the search bar for me, but not for you | 19:51 |
| dkessel | Noskcaj, strange... | 19:51 |
| dkessel | Noskcaj, could it be... longer translations for some of the stuff on the top? so there is no more space for the search box? | 19:52 |
| Noskcaj | dkessel, That would make sense, have you tried fullscreen? | 19:52 |
| dkessel | Noskcaj, dang.... there it is... | 19:53 |
| dkessel | lol! | 19:53 |
| dkessel | still... many users wouldnt try that | 19:53 |
| Noskcaj | no, i'll add a mention to try fullscreen and push that now | 19:54 |
| dkessel | k thanks | 19:54 |
| Noskcaj | Is 1619 in the testcase bzr branch? | 19:58 |
| dkessel | don't know... I found it on the package testing tracker | 19:59 |
| Noskcaj | It's not, i've just fixed this on the tracker though | 20:00 |
| * dkessel browses code | 20:00 | |
| dkessel | yeah... missing | 20:00 |
| dkessel | anybody idling around who has had some contact with me: I plan to apply for ubuntu membership. If you want to help me, leave a nice testimonial on my wiki page: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/dkessel ;) | 20:05 |
| Noskcaj | dkessel, Can i suggest you add you launchpad page to the contact info | 20:14 |
| Noskcaj | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw is still what i model my wiki page off | 20:14 |
| dkessel | Noskcaj, good idea. done | 20:15 |
| knome | dkessel, i have seen your nick around this channel - hi! i would suggest you extend that page even further, which i'm sure you've planned to do :) | 20:16 |
| dkessel | knome, ok. I see... yes I'd better do that... :) | 20:19 |
| knome | basically any link to actual work you have done is good | 20:20 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, hi | 20:20 |
| balloons | Letozaf_, hello :-) | 20:20 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, I fixed yesterday's test, I need to ask something about music-app, must I ask Victor ? | 20:21 |
| balloons | Letozaf_, did you push it to see that it would pass? | 20:34 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, wow, your question makes we wonder something went wrong, I thought I pushed it, let me check | 20:35 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, I will push again now, something didn't work | 20:36 |
| balloons | ahh.. did you commit first, hehe | 20:37 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, I think I did, let me check | 20:37 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, done, now it's pushed I checked | 20:39 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, sorry I thought I had it pushed :P | 20:39 |
| balloons | Letozaf_, still building | 20:48 |
| balloons | Letozaf_, anyways, feel free to send a mail or post in the MP | 20:48 |
| balloons | Letozaf_, if you want victor specifically, request him at the top :-) | 20:48 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, ok thanks | 20:49 |
| * Letozaf_ got fingers crossed | 20:49 | |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, yay, it passed :D | 20:55 |
| balloons | good work! | 20:58 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, thanks! | 20:59 |
| balloons | Letozaf_, there's a few tweaks you can do to the code in looking at it | 21:02 |
| balloons | switch_to_tab will return the tab object so you don't have to get it :-) | 21:02 |
| balloons | and then you can drop the assert as well | 21:02 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, ok fine I will correct the code | 21:03 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, I was a bit too used to putting asserts everywhere | 21:03 |
| balloons | Letozaf_, yes we can go without in many causes now thanks to the changes in ap 1.4 and by using the emulator :-0 | 21:05 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, cool, just have to get used to it :P | 21:05 |
| balloons | Letozaf_, also I'm not sure eventually makes sense in these: self.assertThat(albumartist.text, Eventually(Equals(artistName))) | 21:06 |
| balloons | nothing is being updated as far as I can tell | 21:06 |
| balloons | I would drop those 2 asserts as well, and if there is a timing thing, add it into the get functions instead | 21:07 |
| balloons | make sense? | 21:07 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, thinks so, let me make the changes and push it so you can check | 21:08 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, well first I will check it still runs | 21:08 |
| balloons | sure.. I mention this little things to make sure it doesn't cause us trouble once we're running on the phone | 21:08 |
| balloons | but it's awesome you checked it as well :-) | 21:09 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, yes thanks, as I told you I was used to put asserts everywhere, I will have to learn to not do it | 21:09 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, but the second self.assertThat(albumartist.text, Eventually(Equals(artistName))) I put it to check the album sheet opened is the correct one | 21:11 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, is that wrong, I mean, how do I know I did not open another sheet | 21:12 |
| elfy | balloons: was there a chance that the custom views of http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/qa/qa-touch.html is likely to gain any traction? | 21:13 |
| balloons | elfy, yes.. It's an idea | 21:14 |
| balloons | as with everything, needs someone to do it :-) | 21:14 |
| balloons | but i'm going to gather a bit more data | 21:15 |
| elfy | yea - I get loads of ideas :( | 21:15 |
| elfy | bu then can't do it so forget about it till next time I think of the same thing | 21:15 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, the test passed before I could run it on my phone :) looks like it's ok, I left the second assertion for checking I had opened the right album sheet, is that ok ? | 21:23 |
| balloons | Letozaf_, looking | 21:24 |
| balloons | Letozaf_, looks better. | 21:25 |
| balloons | Letozaf_, did you want victor to review or ? | 21:25 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, yes | 21:25 |
| balloons | so Letozaf_ https://code.launchpad.net/~carla-sella/music-app/show_albums_sheet/+merge/196785/+request-review | 21:26 |
| balloons | add him :-) | 21:26 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, done! | 21:27 |
| dkessel | knome, I guess my wiki page looks better now? | 21:27 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, at least I think it's a good idea that Victor reviews the test, right ? | 21:28 |
| balloons | Letozaf_, yea.. you should add the bugs you are closing as well | 21:29 |
| balloons | victor created the bugs :-) | 21:29 |
| knome | dkessel, yep, better already | 21:30 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, ok thanks | 21:30 |
| balloons | dkessel, I added something to the bottom as well | 21:31 |
| dkessel | ty balloons | 21:33 |
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