=== Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away === dweaver` is now known as dweaver [04:36] The 240G Crucial SSD is coming up again in the Black Friday Deals on Amazon, if anyone is interested (in not-quite-12 hours) [04:36] Hello [04:37] MartijnVdS: what you doing being awake at 05:35(EU Time? - it's 04:35 here) [04:40] diddledan: woke up half an hour before my alarm :) [04:41] diddledan: decided going back to sleep wasn't going to be useful [04:41] lol, I've done that far too often (the going back to sleep bit) [06:58] morning all === iahmad is now known as iahmad|afk [07:20] morning, MooDoo [07:22] seems we're the only ones up again lo [07:22] l [07:26] MooDoo: maybe diddledan is still awake :) [07:26] MooDoo: he was at 4:30 (your timezone) [07:26] wow that's early [07:39] yeah, I'm still here [07:39] diddledan: are you a robot? ;) [07:39] maybe [07:39] I'll crash in a few hours [07:40] diddledan: how come up so earlt? [07:40] Morning [07:40] morning :) [07:40] MooDoo: it's late - I haven't slept yet :-p [07:40] ah.... [07:41] diddledan: young children? or on-call? :) [07:41] fiddling [07:42] I been hunting down a backend-as-a-service [07:42] I found https://apigee.com which looks promising [07:47] diddledan: that website looks overly vague to me. What can it do? [07:47] Sure it can "scale like an enterprise", but WHAT can it scale? [07:48] it provides data storage and query facilities primarily [07:48] so like AWS? [07:49] the available apis are listed under "build apps" here: http://apigee.com/docs/content/build-apps-home [07:50] higher up the stack than aws [07:50] aws are IaaS whereas this is more PaaS [07:51] the idea is that you don't need to code any backend software yourself to support your "app" [07:52] I've been hunting one that doesn't just do MBaaS (Mobile Backend as a Service) but is more generalised so I can use it in a webapp [08:01] good morning everyone, [08:11] morning [08:32] morning MooDoo [08:33] ok, on a dual core x86 machine, would it be best to use an smp kernel, or a pae one ? [08:47] brobostigon: don't PAE ones include SMP anyway? Also.. 32-bit, are you sure? [08:48] MartijnVdS: good point, yes. how do i find out? [08:48] brobostigon: what kind of CPU is it? [08:51] MartijnVdS: lshw just says, its a dualcpu, intel cpu of 32 bits width. [08:51] brobostigon: and /proc/cpuinfo ? [08:51] brobostigon: does it have a "MOdel name"? [08:52] Mine says this, for example: [08:52] model name : Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4500U CPU @ 1.80GHz [08:53] genuine intel(r) cpu t2300 @ 1.66ghz [08:53] brobostigon: "Core Duo", 32-bit only :( [08:54] brobostigon: I'd go for SMP, if you have >3GB RAM, PAE might be better though [08:54] wait.. non-PAE has been dropped.. so SMP should also have PAE [08:54] so SMP it is :) [08:54] Morning all [08:54] MartijnVdS: ok, that it is then, :) === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away [09:15] allo [09:16] hello dwatkins how are you [09:20] just tried spending a genuine £50 note. looked very guilty in the process [09:21] good thanks, a bit late for work, though - I'm supposed to start closer to 8am than this [09:21] I trust everyone else is well [09:28] had to bring my shaver to work and i didn't finish shaving in time [09:28] have half a beard atm [09:33] Good morning all; happy Pins and Needles Day! :-D [09:34] JamesTait: what kind of day is *that*? [09:35] MartijnVdS, bit of an odd one. Something to do with a play in the '30s. [09:35] Sounds sharp and stabby [09:35] docs.google.com is crashing chrome tab every time :S [09:35] It would also have been the birthday of Bruce Lee and Jimi Hendrix. [09:37] I'd rather go with happy 'payroll day' even though it does mean more work for me [09:37] JamesTait: sorry can't see too much purple haze [09:37] And I get one every month [09:39] my friend updated his iphone and now the rotation is locked permanaetly to portrait - any ideas? [09:39] thought i'd ask my favourite bunch of clever people [09:40] Double-click the Home button to show the recent apps bar. Flick to the far left and tap the portrait lock control at the left of the iPod controls. [09:40] if he's new to ios7, there's a whole panel that pops up if you slide in from the bottom of the screen. rotation lock is on there (last icon on the top row) [09:40] http://www.iphonefaq.org/archives/972915 [09:40] thanks chaps [09:40] i am blissfully ignorant of apple device [09:41] I googled it ;) [09:41] didn't even knwo the ios version [09:41] i was fixing his mums pc at the time and couldn't google :S [09:41] mungbean: is it round and 3D or flat? [09:41] mungbean: ifi t's flat it's 7 [09:41] if he's complaining it's too white, it's 7. if he's complaining it hasn't changed in 5 years, it's not ;) [09:42] Morning Ratfans [09:42] i don't recall anything about ti [09:42] ello eroll [09:42] MooDoo, today I shall mostly be listening to http://www.7digital.com/artist/jimi-hendrix/release/fire-the-jimi-hendrix-collection [09:42] \o popeyman [09:42] morning Popeotron [09:42] but i was able to swipe down, but the conrtol contre is nothing near as useful as android [09:49] Anyone want a cheap(ish) desktop?: http://www.ebuyer.com/daily-deals [09:51] not too shabby that [09:51] Blimey, not bad price.. don't know about the processor ? [09:51] freedos \o/ [09:52] i get nervous of amd graphics cards [09:55] yeah, i avoid them [09:55] i don't even bother with the nvidia blob nowadays, nouveau is good enough [09:55] OK for windows, parents need a cheap new pc [09:55] :) [09:55] i wanted to ask about chromebooks photo editing [09:56] does anyone know about it? [09:56] WHAT IS THE APP ETC/ [09:56] I have a chromebook [09:56] woops [09:56] any app you can get for it should also be available in the "Chrome Web Store" in "normal" chrome [09:56] most PC users i know use the internet and picasa [09:57] well Picasa is G+ now, so they can continue to use that [09:58] http://www.amazon.co.uk/Kitsound-Bluetooth-Wireless-Portable-Speaker/dp/B00CTN8FOY/ [09:58] that looks quite nice [09:58] will be lightning deal in 2 mins [09:58] popey: honeycomb :) [09:58] somehow, I doubt the specs: Product Dimensions: 0.1 x 0.1 x 0.1 cm ; 100 g [09:59] heh [09:59] i bought a cheapo one from tesco via ebay, sophie stole it for her phone [09:59] I've heard a Logitech BT speaker, similar to this. It sounded amazing for its szie [09:59] MartijnVdS: picasa is g+? does the standalone client still work? [09:59] they stopped supporting it on linux iirc [09:59] MooDoo: the Picasa website is now G+ [10:00] MartijnVdS: ah ok [10:00] MooDoo: the app works, but not on chromebooks (which doesn't really "do" native apps) [10:00] I wish there was a decent sync for g+ so I could sync all my photos to it, ftp or rsync or something [10:01] so how do i edit photos and view them? all via g+ [10:01] mungbean: well, you go to the photo, then click "Edit" ? [10:01] just go to photos [10:02] what MartijnVdS saidf [10:02] i appaer to have downloaded a picasa web app [10:03] mungbean: youshouldn't need to do that, as you should be able to do it all from your browser [10:03] mungbean: was it "by Google" or some scammy third party? [10:03] the photo editor couldn't be loaded [10:03] not sure how to tell [10:03] there are 2.1m users though... [10:04] and realted apps by the developer are gmail etc [10:04] mungbean: ah, some of those are just links to the web site [10:04] most* [10:04] extensions@chromium.org [10:05] sounds legit === iahmad|afk is now known as iahmad [10:10] tbh i don't understand the chromebook appeal [10:11] you aren't getting much for your money [10:13] I'd like one just for speed, surfing email youtube, fast simple nothing to worry about [10:14] I have a cheap chromebook, everything is on the web for me [10:14] it can even do ssh 8-) [10:14] so a few ssh sessions + gmail -> chromebook works fine [10:15] friend has one for sale, £120 samsung tempted. [10:16] does it have a terminal ? [10:16] i guess it's a third device, laptop, tablet and chromebook [10:16] but excessive for my needs [10:16] since i already have a laptop [10:17] Good morning peeps :) [10:17] morning bigcalm [10:17] mungbean: there's an ssh client, the local terminal (Ctrl+Alt+T) is *very* limited [10:17] mungbean: I use https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/secure-shell/pnhechapfaindjhompbnflcldabbghjo [10:17] it would be handy for my kids to get them on my wifes IPad :) [10:17] mungbean: ^ that works in *any* Chrome I guess [10:20] MooDoo: off the wifes ipad ? [10:21] mungbean: yes sorry lol [10:23] my wife teaches at a school, a surprising number of the kids have chromebooks at home [10:23] i think my mum would be fine with a chromebook [10:23] tempted to get my kids one to be honest.... [10:24] except for the rapid release cycle which means the UI keeps changing [10:24] popey: I'm a big fan of them for what they are - disposable coffee shop/travel/conference laptops. :-) [10:24] ☻ [10:24] what about uploading digital photos with a chromebook? [10:25] upload them like you would, any way, usb from camera to chromebook, upload to the cloud [10:26] so there is some local storage [10:26] little bit [10:26] but uploading 400M of photos will take forever and a day [10:26] to the internet [10:26] it'll take ages on any computer [10:26] its not required on other computer [10:26] originals locally and smaller ones on flickr [10:26] *shrug* [10:26] I like having backups [10:27] it *is* required to copy photos somewhere else on any other computer, its just that people are dumb and don't backup [10:27] or do it in batches [10:27] mungbean: this is why Google+/Dropbox/Flickr do auto-backup on phones, but if you're using a standalone camera you'll still have to upload [10:27] i'm asking the questions for mumbuntu type users [10:29] ah, screens are too small anyway [10:29] mungbean: I've gone overboard - originals locally (and backed up) + originals backed up to Dropbox + auto backup to G+. I'm rarely at the computer when I want the pictures, and I've been burnt by lack of backups before! [10:29] i backup to amazon glacier in batches [10:29] mungbean: too small or too low res - you can get 14" Chromebooks [10:29] i autobackup to G+ & Dropbox [10:29] i have a real camera [10:30] then when I power on my desktop (1TB drive containing photo masters) I import photos from dropbox to shotwell [10:30] i mean canon EOS [10:30] as do I [10:30] drag photos from card to dropbox, leave it alone [10:30] take card out, go photographing again [10:30] dropbox on chromebook? [10:30] i dont have a chromebook [10:31] just pointing out that not having a chromebook doesn't mean you automatically dont use the cloud [10:31] well, I don't [10:31] sure, but you need a local buffer of sorts [10:32] as long as chromebook has enough space for that maybe its ok [10:32] schwuk: which flickr app on your phone / which phone do you have that that autouploads to flickr? [10:32] mungbean: personally, a chromebook is a companion device - like I said coffee shops/travel/conferences. It's no replacement for a desktop or high-end laptop, but very few people need those. [10:33] agree [10:33] but would be a nice mumbuntu replacement if it ticks the boxes [10:33] just as a had to clean malware off a pc last night [10:33] and synaptics touchpad wasn't working [10:33] etc etc [10:33] and a million apps at startup hassling you [10:34] \o/ windows [10:35] Myrtti: I thought the official app had added that - I guess not. I don't use Flickr heavily. [10:36] atleast on Android it's not smart enough for that [10:41] Myrtti: backed that foldio too ☻ [10:43] how can i check a nagios definition on the command line? [10:43] e.g a check_http check [10:59] mungbean: you mean run the check manually? [11:03] schwuk: got in now thanks [11:04] check_http on CLI works, but there's a prob with my service config [11:04] always showing as up === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk_away_away [11:15] gosh, I'm sorta salivating over openstack [11:16] what you planning on doing with it? [11:17] EVERYTHING [11:17] oh that's ok then [11:18] naw, the company as a whole currently has everything with a lot of different providers, and so the idea is to bring it all together using openstack and maybe rackspace [11:18] this is all planning though [11:18] look at cloudstack too [11:18] seems more mature, fully formed [11:19] oh, and apache project [11:20] is now [11:20] got handed over , was a commerical one [11:21] i just read a dailymail article. i hate myself now [11:22] Morning all [11:22] Goood Morning! [11:23] mungbean: my only exposure to Cloudstack is a free T-shirt from them at Fosdem. Do people actually use it? [11:23] mungbean: I think it's the rackspace integration that makes openstack the frontrunner right now [11:26] mungbean: http://www.shouldireadthedailymail.com/ [11:27] that guy from lostprophets seems to be the most depraved human being ever [11:27] oh [11:29] oh [11:29] oh god [11:29] I feel sick [11:30] thanks mungbean for letting me look him up [11:30] even worse when family member went on his tour bus when she was 15 [11:30] fortunately too old for him by about 14 years it seems [11:30] :( [11:30] :/ [11:31] looks at hitler puppy picture instead [11:34] \o/ http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-25119158 [11:34] http://www.open-electronics.org/helium-an-open-source-supercapacitor-powered-portable-speaker/ [11:35] SuperMatt mungbean: He'll probably spend most of the rest of his natural life in isolation. [11:35] TwistedLucidity: which is unfortunate, put him in general population [11:36] he will certainly need to be in solitary confinement, because he will be brutally murdered in prison [11:36] SuperMatt: that's the point. [11:37] it's quite interesting, prison. They don't like paedophiles more than any other type of inmate, and I think I understand why [11:37] the victim was always innocent [11:37] He's sick in the head. [11:37] SuperMatt: yup or people that hit women, may sound contradictory, but there is still honour umongst theives [11:37] indeed [11:38] it's the idea that a child is innocent and *no one* should ever hurt one [11:38] SuperMatt: Yup, cultural differences to one side - you reach a point where our base nature (protect the progeny) kicks in. Any animal will kill (or attempt to kill) to protect young. [11:38] at least people who have murdered generally have a reason that they believed strongly that they had to do it [11:38] the point of jail isn't retribution. "prison justice" is not justice [11:39] oh, for sure [11:39] on a lighter note, £1500 well done to the alans so far - http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/a-raspberry-pi-build-cluster-for-ubuntu [11:39] directhex: Unless you read the Daily Mail of course. [11:39] huzzah! [11:39] \o/ [11:39] Jeez I'm famished... Hurry up sandwich van!!!! [11:39] wow 3 pi's and a pint :D [11:40] I'm famished too [11:40] just waiting for the clock to hit 12 so I can break out the lunch box [11:40] TwistedLucidity, DM readers believe in "traditional" justice. corporal punishment, summary execution, that kind of thing. they are uncivilized people, no better than those they decry [11:41] directhex: I know, that was kind of my point. [11:42] I'm still awake \o/ [11:43] hungry, though, so I'll join with the famished brigade [11:43] anyone any clue as to how often the kimsufi/ovh servers are restocked? prices are great for the latest gen boxes but always sold out :< [11:43] Achievement unlocked: Unloaded dishwasher while kettle boiled [11:43] I just wrote a script which I'm sure will fail horribly and completely [11:43] Achievement unlocked: Filled washing machine while tea brewed [11:43] OR any recommended OVH alternatives for a similar price point. [11:44] popey: Now now, no cheating by overfilling the kettle [11:44] I always fill the kettle to the brim [11:44] well, max fill line [11:45] why? Do you use that much water? [11:45] popey: why do you waste so much energy? [11:45] well, when I say always [11:45] for a regular tea drinker that's a few beer tokens a month! [11:45] first one is "fill" then the next one is "reboil" [11:46] The more you boil water, the more o2 it looses [11:47] wat [11:47] Water contains disolved oxygen as well as other minerals [11:47] The more you boil it, the more concentrated those other minerals get [11:47] why do they say that baby milk should only be made with freshly boiled water, i.e. don't reboil [11:47] Making for odd tasting tea [11:48] ah [11:48] I had visions of the oxygen in water disappearing to leave a kettle full of hydrogen then [11:48] Hehe, yeah, should have stated dissolved o2 [11:48] what, you've never had Hydrogen Tea? [11:48] Much harder to make than Oxygen tea though, just chew a teabag.. [11:48] Yum [11:49] I digress - anyone able to suggest alternatives to OVH/Kimsufi? I want a new ubuntu server :< [11:50] i still dont see the problem ☻ [11:52] I don't put more water than is necessary in the kettle when I make a coffee. It takes less time and uses less energy. [11:52] TheOpenSourcerer: Agreed, but it means then popey doesn't have time to empty his dishwasher [11:53] He could do it in stages... [11:53] Emptying is the easy bit. I have a constant battle with my wife over efficient Dishwasher loading strategies. [11:53] if you don't have enough disolved oxygen in the water, fish might die [11:53] me too TheOpenSourcerer [11:53] which is probably not a *huge* problem in a kettle [11:56] I'm glad I don't have a dishwasher, sound to complicated ;() [11:57] wow [11:57] it's 2013 and there are people without dishwashers! [11:57] yes [11:58] Gosh. [11:58] Actually my Sister-in-law and family don't have one. Their kitchen is not big enough. [11:58] we have a slim one [11:59] FYI: Amazon 240GB Crucial SSD deal starts at 1630 +0000. Currently £113 [11:59] heck 350F capacitor [11:59] I looked into getting an SSD, but I need at least 750 GB in my laptop, and they're still hugely expensive. [11:59] don't need one to be honest.... [11:59] dishwasher that is [12:00] dwatkins: Has your laptop got a slot for mSATA ? [12:01] dwatkins, 750GB? ._. [12:01] dwatkins: SSD in the case, USB3 for data? [12:01] TheOpenSourcerer: Efficient dishwasher loading strategy is not to let your wife load the dishwasher [12:02] Although may be more self efficient if you always let her load it [12:02] seagate sell "sshd" drives for laptops, which are a regular hard disk with 8gb transparent ssd cache in front [12:02] only those who have spent countless hours on tetris have good dishwasher skills [12:02] faster than a normal disk [12:02] Mrs Lord is really rubbish at dishwasher loading. It gets on my moobs! [12:02] directhex: I thought GNU/Linux didn't work well with those hybrid-drives? [12:03] directhex: If you've got an mSATA slot somewhere then you can put a physically small SSD in that and still have the main drive [12:03] TwistedLucidity, western digital's drives are driver-based. seagate's are transparent [12:03] directhex: Ah-ha! Thanks. Good to know. [12:03] penguin42, yes. depending on the laptop, accessing the msata slot might suck [12:04] why? [12:05] on wife's laptop you need to unscrew & remove the entire bottom of the laptop [12:07] Does anybody here have a Gromdar? [12:07] http://www.theonion.com/articles/inventor-of-gromdar-determined-to-put-a-gromdar-in,34633/ [12:08] * popey notes its the onion [12:10] you could probably replace "gromdar" with "the cloud" and it'd match about 90% of all cloud provider websites [12:10] SuperMatt: I was thinking more IoT [12:11] IoT? === alan_g is now known as alan_g|afk [12:11] SuperMatt: Deary me - not caught up with latest buzzwords?! Internet-of-things [12:12] oh god, yes [12:12] I don't even know what internet of things means [12:12] internet of things is at least a decade old [12:12] ARM like to say it a lot [12:12] if it just means crativity on the web, I can't see why we didn't just call it that [12:12] IoT is prob as old as ipv6 [12:13] it means gadgets with embedded web servers [12:13] its more like millions and zillions of devices all internet enabled [12:14] Hoorah! Sandwich van est arrive!!! [12:18] mungbean: Of course ARM like to say it a lot, they want it to be an IoA [12:21] looks like these guys will hit their goal http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/airtame-wireless-hdmi-for-everyone--2/x/1051579 === alan_g|afk is now known as alan_g [12:30] popey: a Chromecast clone? [12:31] no, wireless hdmi effectively [12:31] kinda chromecastlike but without the lockdown AIUI [12:33] looks good [12:36] popey: But you can already buy wireless HDMI boxes [12:37] hmm they are a bit big and precey though [12:40] nigella lawson took cocaine "every day for a decade" :-| [12:40] wasn't it her ex that called her higella? [12:41] mungbean: I always wondered why she used so much icing sugar in her cakes [12:41] heh [12:41] *sniff* [12:42] ha [12:43] Achievement unlocked: Made notpoodle lunch while tea brewed. [12:43] If she took it every day for a decade she'd have no septum left. I wouldn't believe everything you read in the media... [12:43] it was a claim made in court [12:43] lol [12:43] yet i still quoted " " [12:44] yeah. [12:45] Oh man: http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BaE2lMwCQAEf5ZE.jpg:large nigelb is this for real? [12:46] Yes - that python really did swallow all those burritos. [12:47] http://www.hoax-slayer.com/giant-snake-swallows-woman.shtml TheOpenSourcerer [12:47] TheOpenSourcerer: Nope. [12:47] TheOpenSourcerer: I tweeted a correction too! [12:47] 4 seconds of sleuthing on the internet. [12:47] nom nom nom notpoodle [12:47] I installed kazam this morning to make a simple and quick desktop recording. It was rubbish and failed to correctly capture the mouse pointer position. [12:48] So I installed recordmydesktop [12:48] file a bug? [12:48] That worked striaght away [12:48] kazam developer is very active [12:48] recordmydesktop is basically dead [12:49] Yeah - but it *works* :-D [12:49] in some limited circumstances [12:49] Recording a desktop. [12:49] Kazam failed. [12:49] works here, as I said, file a bug [12:50] hmm I seem to remember coming a few bugs of kazam failing after a few seconds [12:52] bug #1092339 reported 2012-12-19 [12:52] bug 1092339 in gst-plugins-good "Cursor Position incorrect for windowed capture" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1092339 [12:52] lol [12:55] yay! [12:55] Phwaaarrr: https://twitter.com/AsmaKhanCooks/status/405681138112692224 [12:55] nom [12:56] http://www.theverge.com/2013/11/25/5146398/ibuypower-steam-machine-499-radeon-r9-270 [12:57] shame it's AMD/ATI [12:57] why? [12:57] Presumably Valve recommend the h/w [12:57] I look forward to seeing Intel based Steam Boxes [12:57] I kid, I kid. [12:58] all the current consoles are AMD/ATI [12:58] Gah - I wish she'd stop these tweets: https://twitter.com/AsmaKhanCooks/status/405681819338952704 [12:59] Time for a restorative stroll I think... Laterz. [12:59] TheOpenSourcerer, valve are providing reference. all valve prototypes are intel/nvidia [12:59] penguin42, doesn't help fix fglrx though does it [13:00]