[05:46] <Kilos> morning all
[05:46] <tehblazemobile> Hi kilos
[05:46] <Kilos> haha you made a typo on the mobile tehblazemobile 
[05:46] <Kilos> hows exams going?
[05:47] <tehblazemobile> Nah its on purpose
[05:47] <tehblazemobile> Fixed name is registered on nickserv
[05:47] <tehblazemobile> Didnt want to identify
[05:47] <Kilos> ah
[06:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[06:18] <tehblazen> Morning ThatGraemeGuy
[06:29] <superfly> morning ThatGraemeGuy, tehblazen, Kilos
[06:29] <tehblazen> Morning superfly
[06:30] <inetpro> good morning
[06:30] <superfly> hi inetpro
[06:30] <inetpro> what do you guys use to paste screenshots for quick sharing?
[06:31] <inetpro> ala pastebin style
[06:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> i take screenshots with shutter and it has an "export to imgur" plugin
[06:31] <superfly> imgur, imagebin, there are a few others
[06:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> here's an example... time me :-P
[06:32] <tehblazen> I use the imgur screenshot addon for gnome shell
[06:32] <Kilos> hiya superfly inetpro ThatGraemeGuy 
[06:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://i.imgur.com/UM9JuYz.png
[06:32] <Kilos> imageshack
[06:33] <inetpro> interesting, thanks guys
[06:35] <Kilos> find the quickest easiest one and tell me too inetpro 
[06:36] <inetpro> I like the idea of ThatGraemeGuy
[06:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> I like shutter because it has some basic editing stuff as well if you want to highlight specific areas, etc.
[06:37] <inetpro> KSnapshot also has a direct function to export images directly to external services
[06:38] <inetpro> press PrintScreen and Export to...
[06:41] <Kilos> ah shutter is in the repos
[06:41] <Kilos> ty ThatGraemeGuy 
[06:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> np
[06:42] <Kilos> you see i was chastised on the list
[06:48] <inetpro> unfortunately shutter is a gnome thing
[06:48] <Kilos> aw
[06:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> I use shutter under KDE, what's the issue?
[06:57] <Kilos> lol he dont like to put gnome stuff in his kde
[06:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh
[06:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> meh
[06:58] <inetpro> ThatGraemeGuy: nice if it works, just thought it would be nice to have something native
[06:59] <Kilos> it installs lotsa stuff even in unity
[06:59] <Kilos> perl stuff too
[07:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> i see no value in limiting myself to DE-specific apps
[07:02] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[07:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> but that's just me
[07:03] <Kilos> mine kde and unity are both mixes of both, like k3b is the best writer app methinks
[07:07] <Vince-0> Surp! Oh gosh its only Wednesday
[07:12] <superfly> inetpro: install the kipi plulings
[07:12] <superfly> *plugins
[07:13] <inetpro> ThatGraemeGuy: do you need to register for imgur?
[07:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> nope, it uploads anonymously
[07:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> you can configure your imgur account if you have one, but its not a requirement
[07:14] <inetpro> superfly: I had kipi plugins installed already, just don't have imgur or imageschack on the list
[07:16] <inetpro> ThatGraemeGuy: so after installing shutter what do you do next?
[07:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> um.... run it? :-)
[07:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> or map it to prtsrn if you want
[07:16] <inetpro> ahh... so you don't use PrintScreen at all
[07:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> I could, I've just never bothered :-)
[07:18] <inetpro> hmm...
[07:19] <inetpro> it doesn't like selecting my quassel window
[07:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> weird
[07:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> you can select a specific window from the drop-down next to "Window" on the toolbar
[07:21] <inetpro> tried that even
[07:21] <inetpro> still auto selects my konsole screen when I choose the Quassel window
[07:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> that's odd, not sure why that would be
[07:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> never had anything like that, and i've been using it for years
[07:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> must be a P.I.C.N.I.C. error :-p
[07:22] <inetpro> anyway... I'll play around, not important right now
[08:35] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn 
[08:36] <nlsthzn> good morning uncle Kilos , how are you?
[08:36] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[08:36] <Kilos> im working hard trying to find stuff to built a wifi yagi
[08:38] <Kilos> http://www.ab9il.net/wlan-projects/wifi6.html
[08:39] <Kilos> wanna see if it can reach a telkom hotspot 7 ks away
[08:50] <nlsthzn> I am fine thanks... starting work again this coming Saturday, but before then going to take the wife for some alone time to the big city as it is our wedding anniversary...
[08:50] <Kilos> congrats
[08:50] <nlsthzn> thanks...
[08:51] <nlsthzn> no big milestone yet but we are working on it :p
[08:51] <Kilos> every year is a milestone
[08:51] <Kilos> only them things cost more
[08:51] <Kilos> paper aniversary is good
[08:52] <Kilos> gold and diamond not so good
[08:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> 6th anniversary is sugar/iron apparently
[08:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'll get my wife a bag of fizzers and a new pan
[08:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> :-D
[08:54] <Kilos> lol
[08:55] <Kilos> get here a tool that you can borrow
[08:55] <Kilos> pliers or something
[08:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> hahaha
[08:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> we're actually doing a weekend away, free of kids
[08:56] <Kilos> nice
[08:58] <nlsthzn> we are on wood currently :p
[08:58] <Kilos> hmm...
[08:59] <nlsthzn> so I got her some fossilized wood pendant and chain from a native American reservation...
[08:59] <Kilos> lol
[08:59] <Kilos> better woulda been a wooden spoon to make pap with
[08:59] <nlsthzn> wood and/or electrical appliances 
[09:00] <nlsthzn> more like a wooden spoon to moer me with
[09:00] <nlsthzn> pardon the fench
[09:00] <Kilos> lol
[09:15] <Private_User> morning all or should I say good day since morning is almost over ;) hehe
[09:16] <Kilos> ohi Private_User 
[09:16] <Private_User> hi Kilos, hows it going?
[09:16] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[09:18] <Private_User> all good :)
[09:21] <Private_User> can I ask a question that is not related to ubuntu?
[09:21] <somefire> Private_User go ahead
[09:21] <somefire> Also, hi
[09:21] <Kilos> ask on my channel first
[09:21] <Private_User> hi somefire 
[09:21] <Kilos> hi somefire 
[09:21] <Private_User> ok Kilos 
[09:22] <Kilos> if its for windows help ask there
[09:22] <Kilos> somefire, join ##kilos
[09:22] <somefire>  Kilos will do
[09:23] <Kilos> his question is ok here methinks
[09:25] <Kilos> somefire, welcome to ubuntu-za
[09:25] <Kilos> or you just using another nick on the droid device
[09:25] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[09:25] <somefire> Kilos im theblazehen :p just on mobile
[09:25] <Kilos> lol
[09:25] <mazal> Morning everyone
[09:25] <somefire> Morning mazal
[09:26] <mazal> Nee oom ek het niks gebreek nie
[09:26] <mazal> Nie wat ek van weet nue anyway :P
[09:26] <Kilos> Private_User, ask it here lets see whos brain is wide awake
[09:26] <Kilos> haha
[09:27] <Private_User> What is the missing number in the sequence shown?
[09:27] <Private_User> 1 - 8 - 27 - ? - 125 - 216
[09:27] <somefire> 64
[09:28] <mazal> No idea
[09:28] <Private_User> how did you get 64?
[09:28] <somefire> 4^3
[09:28] <Kilos> sis says 46
[09:29] <somefire> 1^3, 2^3, 3^3, 4^3, etc
[09:29] <Private_User> imppresive
[09:29] <Private_User> excellent somefire 
[09:30] <Kilos> whats the ^ do
[09:30] <somefire> Thanks :)
[09:30] <somefire> To the power of
[09:30] <mazal> 2^3 = 2x2x2 oom
[09:31] <Kilos> didnt the to the power of just be a number before
[09:34] <mazal> The current 13.10 , is it Unity 7 or 8 ?
[09:35] <somefire> Another puzzle: http://imgur.com/ZYdLkK7
[09:37] <nlsthzn> unity 7
[09:39] <Kilos> mazal, you must try kde man
[09:39] <Kilos> 13.10 kubuntu flies
[09:40] <mazal> My kop is te seer om weer 'n nuwe ding te leer
[09:40] <Kilos> mind you i havent tried unity in 13.10
[09:40] <Kilos> kde has lotsa tools
[09:41] <mazal> I know Unity well now and don't want to change. KDE is like having to learn a whole new OS again
[09:42] <Kilos> if i could learn it, you wont battle
[09:42] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[09:42] <psyatw> hi mazal
[09:42] <Kilos> hi psyatw 
[09:44] <mazal> And I'm worried about major apps that won't work , like DVDstyler for example. Didn't even work in the new Unity , so might not even work on KDE also
[09:45] <Kilos> is that an outside app mazal ?
[09:45] <Kilos> or in repos
[09:46] <mazal> Repos
[09:46] <Kilos> guys like inetpro superfly ThatGraemeGuy all use kde
[09:46] <mazal> That's one of the things that forced me to go back to 12.04
[09:46] <mazal> Didn't even work on 13.04
[09:46] <Kilos> i think the kubuntu guys do a bit more polishing
[09:47] <somefire> Kilos: i used to use kde
[09:47] <mazal> And there was a 2nd app as well that I can't remember now
[09:47] <Kilos> 13.10 installs in 12 mins here
[09:47] <Kilos> they have really work on the speed
[09:48] <Kilos> maybe you must stay 12.04 till 14.04 is stable
[09:48] <Kilos> or cut gf time down
[09:50] <mazal> No way , gf way more fun than a pc
[09:50] <mazal> If my life weren't so full I would really have liked to play with and learn Kubuntu. But I just don't have the time for that.
[09:51] <psyatw> I even have 10.04 on my desktop back in the Netherlands
[09:51] <Kilos> its actuall very easy once you know the basics and thats 10 mins
[09:51] <psyatw> just because of some applications that stopped working on newer releases
[09:52] <Kilos> you must also look at kde psyatw 
[09:52] <psyatw> but these days I use kubuntu
[09:52] <Kilos> aha
[09:52] <psyatw> Kilos, I use it
[09:52] <Kilos> convince mazal its easy
[09:52] <psyatw> I just stopped using it during the early kde 4 days because it was so buggy
[09:53] <psyatw> well, for me only kubuntu is usable
[09:53] <Kilos> 13.10 is really good
[09:53] <psyatw> I am on 13.04 and it´s working fine for me, so I don´t really see a reason to upgrade
[09:54] <Kilos> just speed they worked on i think
[09:54] <Kilos> kde was a bit heavy on old pcs
[09:54] <psyatw> especially because I´m running it off an external usb hard drive, so I don´t want to mess with fixing the bootloader again
[09:54] <psyatw> oh, I know
[09:54] <psyatw> kde 3 was fine, but kde 4 far too heavy
[09:55] <Kilos> isnt the new one 4?
[09:55] <psyatw> during the early radeonhd days when acceleration didn´t really work, kde 4 was excruciatingly slow
[09:55] <psyatw> yes, it is
[09:55] <psyatw> but I´ve been using linux at home since 2000
[09:55] <Kilos> its faster here than 3 then
[09:56] <Kilos> kde 3 install takes 25 mins and 4 takes 12
[09:56] <psyatw> hmm
[09:56] <psyatw> how do you even install kde 3 these days?
[09:56] <psyatw> or some old distribution, you mean?
[09:56] <Kilos> ya i have the isos burned to dvd
[09:57] <Kilos> 12.04 in unity kde the x thing
[09:59] <psyatw> oh, I see
[10:01] <mazal> psyatw, does that Kubuntu you run of an external work on different pc's ?
[10:01] <psyatw> mazal, yes, it does
[10:02] <psyatw> I am not sure if it´s completely stable, though
[10:02] <mazal> That's how work as well , take my OS with me to work and to home and work on both
[10:02] <psyatw> and if that has to do with the fact that it´s running off usb
[10:02] <psyatw> yes
[10:02] <mazal> Mine is fine of USB , starts off slow but once everything is cached I hardly notice that I work on usb
[10:03] <Kilos> only prob with 13.10 is the short support
[10:03] <Kilos> so we wait for 14.04 lts
[10:09] <Kilos> hi Xethron 
[10:44] <nuvolari> o/ hello
[10:44] <Kilos> lo nuvolari 
[10:45] <nuvolari> hi oom Kilos 
[10:45] <somefire> Hi nuvolari
[10:52] <mazal> Kilos, I still say Ubuntu must change to releasing one a year only and make every release a great one with 3 years support
[10:52] <mazal> *once
[10:53] <Kilos> ya that would be lekker mazal 
[10:53] <mazal> I will also be of the opinion that too short release cycles causes less development , less testing and more bugs
[10:55] <Kilos> i dont know enough to voice an opinion
[10:57] <somefire> Hi charl
[10:57] <Kilos> hi charl 
[10:57] <inetpro> mazal: a 2 year LTS cycle is just perfect for me, others prefer rolling releases, which is even worse than twice a year
[10:57] <charl> hi Kilos 
[10:58] <somefire> inetpro i prefer rolling release :D
[10:58] <charl> hi somefire 
[10:58] <charl> hi inetpro 
[10:58] <inetpro> I think the six month cycle has worked quite well so far
[10:59] <mazal> This 6 month cycle with short support and is like Ubuntu is using it's user base as beta testers for the next LTS
[11:00] <Kilos> and dont forget some of the dev guys are like you with the gf prob
[11:00] <Kilos> hehe
[11:00] <mazal> Even more reason to make release cycles longer Kilos 
[11:01] <charl> hi mazal 
[11:01] <mazal> Hi charl 
[11:02] <charl> when it comes to release cycles i think you'll never get everyone to see eye-to-eye
[11:02] <charl> i have moved back to debian now for my office pc but out of necessity more than choice
[11:02] <mazal> Yeah , I think a lot depends on what the user uses his pc also that affect his/her opinion
[11:04] <charl> personally, in a VM, i'm more than happy to have the latest and the greatest
[11:04] <nuvolari> hello superfly, mazal, inetpro, somefire 
[11:04] <charl> but as my host OS i need something that is stable and won't break vmware with a kernel upgrade
[11:04] <charl> hi nuvolari 
[11:12] <charl> hi fierychicken 
[11:12] <fierychicken> Hi charl. Btw im also somefire and theblazehen
[11:14] <charl> how the heck are we supposed to keep track of you with your multiple personality disorder :)
[11:14] <fierychicken> Lol nah, got a bad mobile connection :p
[11:14] <fierychicken> Dont want to wait for the ping timeouts always
[11:15] <fierychicken> And theblazehen is logged in on my pc
[11:15] <fierychicken> Stuck at school till 5pm
[11:15] <fierychicken> Nothing else to do but irc
[11:15] <charl> what about studying? :)
[11:16] <fierychicken> Wrote last exam today
[11:16] <fierychicken> No more studying!
[11:16] <charl> awesome !
[11:16] <charl> how did it go?
[11:16] <fierychicken> Well i think :) get report on wednesday
[11:28] <Kilos> haha is that you blaze
[11:28] <charl> fierychicken: holding thumbs !
[11:29] <fierychicken> Kilos yep :p || charl thanks :)
[11:29] <Kilos> lol
[11:37] <Kilos> sounds like you just ate some zinger wings or whatever they call them
[11:38] <fierychicken> Lol yeah :p
[12:07] <inetpro> mazal: the 6 month releases are pretty stable 
[12:08] <inetpro> please don't underestimate the time and energy that goes into the whole development process
[12:08] <mazal> Not for me inetpro , both 12.10 and 13.04 had major issues with some off the apps I use
[12:09] <inetpro> did you log a bug?
[12:09] <mazal> Is 3rd party apps
[12:09] <mazal> Not ubuntu apps
[12:09] <inetpro> then don't blame Ubuntu/Canonical
[12:10] <mazal> The biggest problem though is the time it takes
[12:11] <mazal> A basic user that does bare minimals that comes already loaded is fine to re-install every 6 months. But for me it takes 2 days to add and configure everything that is needed
[12:11] <mazal> That's just too much for every 6 months
[12:14] <charl> mazal: you *could* simply attempt an upgrade instead of a reinstall
[12:15] <charl> these days upgrades generally work pretty well
[12:19] <mazal> Yeah I want to try that one day , but since I decided to stick with LTS that is not really an option for me personally
[12:24] <charl> might as well... stability ftw
[12:46] <mazal> Bye everyone , enjoy the evening
[13:25] <Trixar_za> http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/git_commit.png <--- well that's pretty accurate
[13:25] <nuvolari> +1
[13:25] <nuvolari> driving me nuts
[13:26] <nuvolari> but what can you do sometimes? :P
[13:27] <Trixar_za> It's just annoying making commit comments if you do a LOT of bug fixing
[13:27] <Trixar_za> And you can't really type "Fixed the screw up I made three commits ago..."
[13:32] <nuvolari> that's why git should be used properly with feature branches and stuff
[13:32] <nuvolari> wish we could adapt git. It's painful struggling with svn each day
[14:56] <Kilos> wbb
[15:03] <nuvolari> home time \o/
[15:09] <Kilos> hmm...
[15:19] <Kilos> hi tal0n 
[15:19] <Kilos> oh and tinuva too
[15:21] <tal0n> hi Kilos 
[15:21] <Kilos> i need some info from a ham methinks
[15:21] <Kilos> maybe with antenna building knowledge
[15:22] <Kilos> what is a pigtail on a yagi? the connector?
[16:59] <nuvolari> oh hi
[16:59] <nuvolari> o/ oom Kilos, tal0n 
[17:00] <Kilos> hi nuvolari 
[17:11] <Kilos> i see stuff about black friday. is that a certain friday or every friday?
[17:21] <nuvolari> Kilos: eh?
[17:22] <nuvolari> I'm not sure, I think it's the friday before or after thanksgiving
[17:22] <nuvolari> Black Friday is the Friday following Thanksgiving Day in the United States, often regarded as the beginning of the Christmas shopping season.
[17:24] <Kilos> aha ty
[17:57] <inetpro> what number starts with 061, is that local?
[17:59]  * inetpro 's mother in law got a call from 0614955974 today trying to defraud her
[18:00] <inetpro> tried convincing her that there was money paid into her account incorrectly
[18:00] <inetpro> good evening
[18:01] <inetpro> luckily she didn't fall for it
[18:03] <charl> terrible
[18:04] <charl> hi inetpro 
[18:14] <Kilos> somewhere in the cape methinks inetpro 
[18:14] <tumbleweed> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_numbers_in_South_Africa
[18:14] <tumbleweed> cellular, apparently
[18:16] <Kilos> tell her to call her provider and have them blacklisted
[18:17] <Kilos> 01 is tvl 03 is natal
[18:18] <tumbleweed> kilos showing his age :)
[18:18] <Kilos> oh my has it changed
[18:18] <Kilos> sorry
[18:18] <tumbleweed> I suppose transvaal is the best way to describe 01
[18:18] <tumbleweed> never mind
[18:19] <Kilos> oh you mean the gauteng thing
[18:19] <tumbleweed> yeah :P
[18:19] <tumbleweed> but it's more than just that
[18:19] <Kilos> lol my head cant add that all as well
[18:20] <Kilos> you home tumbleweed ?
[18:20] <tumbleweed> no, still in San Francisco
[18:20] <tumbleweed> just having a late breakfast
[18:22] <Kilos> enjoy
[18:22] <Kilos> inetpro, storm coming
[18:23] <inetpro> Kilos: how long do I have?
[18:23] <Kilos> you are at home
[18:24] <Kilos> still storming to the south of us now
[18:24] <inetpro> tumbleweed: thanks for the link
[18:24] <inetpro> so that looks like CellC to me
[18:25] <tumbleweed> inetpro: of course, it's also possible for cellphone numbers to be ported, so one never knows for sure, wihout checking the porting database
[18:25] <inetpro> oops, 8ta
[18:26] <inetpro> tumbleweed: eish! True
[18:26] <inetpro> so is the porting db accessible?
[18:27] <tumbleweed> inetpro: https://www.porting.co.za/PublicWebsite/
[18:28] <inetpro> great! thanks tumbleweed
[18:29] <inetpro>  The number 0614955974 has not been ported and is still serviced by TELKMOBL. 
[18:29] <Kilos> wow
[18:33] <Kilos> tumbleweed, do you keep all this info in your head or you a google expert
[18:38] <inetpro> so where does one report something like this?
[18:38] <Kilos> with you provider
[18:39] <Kilos> from the fone that was used
[18:39] <Kilos> i dont think that peter guy does it as well
[18:41] <inetpro> Kilos: you think, or you don't think? 
[18:41] <Kilos> dont
[18:41] <inetpro> :)
[18:42] <Kilos> peter does it when you got probs with your provider i think
[18:42] <inetpro> yep
[18:42] <Kilos> jy tender vir n houd overal
[18:42] <Kilos> hout
[18:42] <inetpro> ai!
[18:49] <tumbleweed> Kilos: I remember that things exist, and then hit google
[18:50] <Kilos> wow
[18:50] <Kilos> well done
[18:50] <Kilos> evening superfly 
[18:54] <Kilos> storm coming close now inetpro 
[18:56] <Kilos> power can go anytime
[19:02] <Kilos> wbb after storm maybe. be good
[19:04] <inetpro> hmm... rolling thunder and lightning 
[19:34] <Kilos> just came to say night all. sleep tight
[19:34] <Kilos> storm gone past now
[19:35] <Kilos> see you tomorrow