| ali1234 | well, it doesn't crash or corrupt any more, so that's something | 00:17 |
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| ali1234 | in fact i think it's working perfectly :) | 00:18 |
| ali1234 | or not... it's not copying the pixmap | 00:19 |
| Unit193 | jjfrv8: Welcome back. | 00:43 |
| jjfrv8 | I was working on my desktop and knocked the cable out of my pi :) | 00:44 |
| ToeTag | Hey, is anyone around that I can ask about the wallpaper submission requests? | 01:00 |
| ToeTag | I want to make sure that I'm reading a requirement right "No branding assest like "Xubuntu logo" or text to permit use by derivative distributions | 01:00 |
| ToeTag | So explicitly no text on the wallpapers? | 01:01 |
| pleia2 | in general no text is best, since we can't really translate wallpapers ;) | 01:01 |
| ToeTag | makes sense | 01:02 |
| ToeTag | I was surprised at the "no xubuntu logo" requirement. I guess that's very considerate of them | 01:02 |
| pleia2 | yeah, we have downstreams that use xubuntu as a base, we don't want to overbrand | 01:02 |
| ToeTag | There seems to be no expression of a "submission limit" - anyone see any issues with me submitting multiple cantidates? | 01:02 |
| pleia2 | that's fine | 01:03 |
| pleia2 | I think we might restrict it to 1 next cycle though :) | 01:03 |
| ToeTag | yeah makes sense | 01:03 |
| ToeTag | awesome, thanks a lot | 01:03 |
| ToeTag | really appreciate it | 01:03 |
| pleia2 | thank you! | 01:03 |
| ali1234 | ah! it works! | 01:05 |
| ali1234 | it just doesn't redraw itself now | 01:05 |
| ali1234 | cool. this code now actually works with old style SETROOT wallpapers, and also works with xfdesktop without exploding... and also doesn't have any flickering | 01:10 |
| ali1234 | brainwash, ochosi: please test background branch on my xfwm4 repo... it should fix everything | 01:34 |
| ali1234 | you won't even see the wallpaper flicker if xfdesktop crashes, and if you kill it (5 times) you can even set the wallpaper with hsetroot etc | 01:35 |
| eric_the_idiot | xfdesktop crashes? | 01:42 |
| ali1234 | crashes/is killed :) | 01:52 |
| ali1234 | eric_the_idiot: this whole epic thing has been about having the wallpaper stay the same from greeter startup to fully logged in... it's now possible, but i had to fix many bugs in the greeter, xfwm4, and xfdesktop :) | 01:54 |
| ali1234 | it all boils down to each one implementing http://www.eterm.org/docs/view.php?doc=ref#trans in a slightly different and incompatible way | 01:55 |
| eric_the_idiot | any other patches for xfdesktop? | 01:55 |
| ali1234 | tomorrow, yes | 01:56 |
| ali1234 | see the post i just did on xfce-dev | 01:56 |
| eric_the_idiot | will do | 01:56 |
| winstonebook | hello | 03:24 |
| Unit193 | Howdy. | 03:25 |
| ochosi | morning evryone | 08:53 |
| Noskcaj | evening ochosi | 08:53 |
| ochosi | ali1234: that sounds great! | 08:53 |
| knome | hullo | 09:32 |
| ochosi | heya knome | 09:34 |
| ochosi | updated the submissions page, as you'll have noticed | 09:35 |
| knome | yep | 09:35 |
| ochosi | also added that note with a link to the history | 09:36 |
| koegs | can you tell me how xfce in xubuntu provides the gtk-3.0 theme-name? | 10:07 |
| knome | i'm not sure i follow... | 10:07 |
| koegs | i am trying awesome within xubuntu, but not all gtk(3)-apps use the correct theme although i have ~/.config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini | 10:07 |
| koegs | when i start the xubuntu-session, all apps have the correct theme, but not in awesome | 10:08 |
| ochosi | koegs: how do you set your theme in awesome? | 10:08 |
| ochosi | oh, and, let's take this to #xubuntu | 10:09 |
| koegs | ochosi: with ~/.gtkrc-2.0 and ~/.config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini | 10:09 |
| koegs | ok, i wasnt sure because of the awesome-thingy :) | 10:09 |
| knome | if it isn't suitable for #xubuntu because you have a non-default component, it isn't really suitable in #xubuntu-devel either | 10:10 |
| knome | i mean, the question is fine, but by your logic... | 10:10 |
| koegs | yeah, not the best logic :D | 10:12 |
| slickymaster | good afternoon all | 15:01 |
| brainwash | ali1234: screen corruption remains and light-locker behaves really odd (cursor jumps around occasionally) | 16:33 |
| brainwash | and there seems to be a brief black screen flicker when xfdesktop launches | 16:34 |
| ali1234 | reinstall everything | 16:34 |
| brainwash | ali1234: the black flicker is new since I've compiled the background branch like 30min ago | 16:49 |
| ali1234 | when does it happen? | 16:49 |
| brainwash | exactly when xfdesktop launches, before the icons get displayed | 16:49 |
| brainwash | replaced xfwm4, locked the screen and everything works, no screen corruption | 16:52 |
| brainwash | no cursor jumping | 16:52 |
| ali1234 | replaced with what? | 16:54 |
| brainwash | mutter | 16:55 |
| brainwash | or even with the unpatched xfwm4 I guess | 16:56 |
| ali1234 | so what happens if you kill xfdesktop first? | 16:58 |
| brainwash | it happened even if xfdesktop was not started at all | 17:01 |
| ochosi | ali1234: sorry, i haven't been able to test your xfwm4 branch up to now, i'll try to get to it though | 17:02 |
| ochosi | it's the background branch, right? | 17:03 |
| brainwash | yes, already did some testing | 17:03 |
| brainwash | but xfwm4 is somehow causing the screen corruption | 17:04 |
| brainwash | and I've noticed a brief black flicker when xfdesktop launches | 17:05 |
| ochosi | so what doesn't work for you now? | 17:05 |
| ochosi | and that's it? | 17:05 |
| brainwash | well, lets see if you can confirm this black flicker | 17:05 |
| ochosi | yeah, am about to reboot.. | 17:05 |
| ochosi | brb | 17:05 |
| ochosi | i don't have any problems with the background branch | 17:07 |
| ochosi | i mean there is a flicker, but that's xfdesktop | 17:07 |
| ochosi | because i'm using the unpatched version from the 4.12 PPA atm | 17:07 |
| brainwash | :D | 17:07 |
| brainwash | ok, what about lightdm locking? | 17:08 |
| ochosi | just normal locking or suspend-locking? | 17:08 |
| brainwash | normal | 17:08 |
| ochosi | k | 17:08 |
| brainwash | and/or via "dm-tool lock" | 17:08 |
| ochosi | totally fine | 17:09 |
| ochosi | no problems whatsoever with that | 17:09 |
| brainwash | ok :( | 17:09 |
| ochosi | could be an amd issue | 17:09 |
| ochosi | or i dunno | 17:09 |
| brainwash | I start thinking the same | 17:09 |
| ochosi | alternatively, how clean is your build/test-env? | 17:10 |
| brainwash | no hints in any of the log files | 17:10 |
| ochosi | or have you tried with the open drivers? | 17:10 |
| brainwash | it's messed up one | 17:10 |
| brainwash | well, it needs to work with the restricted one | 17:10 |
| brainwash | but I'll test the open source one too | 17:11 |
| ali1234 | there should not be any flicker at all with the new code | 17:12 |
| brainwash | and there should not be any theme issue | 17:13 |
| brainwash | lets wait for ochosi to test the patched xfdesktop | 17:14 |
| ochosi | ali1234: yeah, i have to switch back to the patched xfdesktop... | 17:14 |
| ali1234 | i didn't patch xfdesktop yet | 17:14 |
| brainwash | the latest commit? | 17:14 |
| brainwash | git | 17:14 |
| ali1234 | you should get one transition from the greeter wallpaper to the user wallpaper, and no flicker | 17:15 |
| ochosi | i'll use git master of xfdesktop now | 17:15 |
| ali1234 | well yeah, you do need *that* patch i guess :) | 17:16 |
| ali1234 | i forgot about that one | 17:16 |
| ochosi | ;) | 17:16 |
| ochosi | brb | 17:16 |
| ochosi | ok, so i do get a brief moment of corruption when xfdesktop loads the wallpaper | 17:18 |
| ochosi | but there is no grey/white/black flicker | 17:18 |
| ochosi | i'll try to log out and in again to see whether i can reproduce that | 17:18 |
| brainwash | corruption? | 17:19 |
| ochosi | could be the dualhead setup | 17:19 |
| ochosi | cause my internal display is disabled at the greeter | 17:19 |
| ochosi | so it flickers briefly when it enables the display with the session | 17:19 |
| ochosi | and then it seems to draw the wallpaper a bit borked for a split second and then it's there correctly on the second monitor | 17:20 |
| ochosi | i can try without the external monitor a bit later | 17:20 |
| brainwash | yeah | 17:20 |
| brainwash | gtg now, later | 17:20 |
| ali1234 | ah i know what that is | 17:22 |
| ali1234 | it's doing the operations int he wrong order - i had that problem in lightdm | 17:23 |
| ali1234 | i assume you're both familiar with double buffering... the problem is that xfdesktop doesn't do this | 17:35 |
| ochosi | hmm | 18:12 |
| ochosi | ali1234: is that easy to implement? | 18:12 |
| ochosi | bbiab | 18:13 |
| ali1234 | XFreePixmap (dpy, pixmap); | 19:32 |
| ali1234 | wow, how did i never see that before | 19:32 |
| ochosi | ali1234: what do you mean? | 19:34 |
| ali1234 | well, i thought all this time something else was freeing the pixmap out from under xfwm4 | 19:34 |
| ali1234 | but actually, xfwm4 does it | 19:35 |
| ali1234 | so making that copy is probably unneccesary | 19:35 |
| ali1234 | all it needs to do is NOT free the pixmap unless it created it | 19:35 |
| ali1234 | i'm going to push branches of xfwm4, xfdesktop, and greeter, all with syslog debugging (because order of operations is important) | 19:37 |
| ali1234 | then we can get to the bottom of this finally | 19:37 |
| ochosi | sweet | 19:39 |
| ali1234 | just tried without the copy and it works | 19:40 |
| ochosi | bbabl | 19:41 |
| ali1234 | wow, that turns the fix into a one liner | 19:45 |
| ali1234 | actually i bet that fix will fix everything... lol | 19:53 |
| ali1234 | i dunno. maybe it's never appropriate to free the pixmap | 19:54 |
| ali1234 | #xorg has the most users and the least amount of talk :/ | 20:00 |
| brainwash | it fixes what? you said that everything was already working for you | 20:00 |
| ali1234 | yeah, but my "fix" is long winded and unneccessary | 20:01 |
| ali1234 | anyway just because it works for me doesn't mean the code is correct | 20:01 |
| ali1234 | Q i just asked on #xorg: is it valid to create a pixmap, then create a XRender picture from it, then free the pixmap, and carry on using the picture? http://paste.ubuntu.com/6486175/ | 20:01 |
| ali1234 | the answer to this question might explain why you still get corruption | 20:02 |
| ali1234 | apparently the answer is it's valid | 20:03 |
| ochosi | ali1234: hm, there seems to be lots of back and forth, so were do you stand now? | 20:46 |
| ali1234 | well, i'm happy with xfwm4 | 20:47 |
| elfy | lol - I got completely lost some time last week ;) | 20:47 |
| ali1234 | i'm happy with gtk-greeter | 20:47 |
| ali1234 | i'm not happy with xfdesktop yet | 20:47 |
| ali1234 | the trouble is, because there is so much communication between them via atoms, a bug in one can mess up all the others | 20:49 |
| ali1234 | so you see corruption on the xfwm4 root tile, because xfdesktop passed a bad pixmap | 20:49 |
| ali1234 | or you see xfdesktop crash because xfwm4 called XFreePixmap() | 20:49 |
| ali1234 | and so on, so even if 2/3 have correct code, the whole thing can still exlode | 20:49 |
| ochosi | right | 20:50 |
| ochosi | it's just strange that a pixmap has to be passed around so much | 20:50 |
| ali1234 | it's prefectly reasonable when you understand it | 20:52 |
| ali1234 | the pixmap has to be shared because the greeter exits before the window manager starts | 20:53 |
| ali1234 | the mechanism that is used to share the pixmap between greeter and wm also is used by xfdesktop | 20:54 |
| ali1234 | but none of them used it properly, so they all fight each other | 20:54 |
| ali1234 | it's not strictly necessary to fix xfdesktop, but i don't like to leave stuff broken | 20:54 |
| ochosi | what's broken there atm? | 20:54 |
| ali1234 | well it sets it sets the ESETROOT atom, which is like hanging a big sign around it's own neck which reads "Please kill me" | 20:55 |
| ochosi | that's quite graphic :) | 20:55 |
| ali1234 | it keeps a reference to the pixmap it puts into the atom and reuses it later, after xfwm4 has freed it.... which is why it crashes | 20:56 |
| ali1234 | that is a bug of xfwm4, but... programs which do this should not set ESETROOT | 20:57 |
| ochosi | but not messing with that atom isn't a solution? | 20:57 |
| ali1234 | no, using the atoms for message passing is absolutely fine | 20:57 |
| ali1234 | just as long as you do it correctly | 20:58 |
| ochosi | yeah, but is the atom really needed in the desktop? | 20:58 |
| ali1234 | yes, because xfdesktop has no other way to tell the window manager what to render in the root tile | 20:58 |
| ali1234 | now the root tile is hardly ever visible, but that isn't the point | 20:59 |
| ali1234 | the code exists for this, but is broken | 20:59 |
| ali1234 | it shouldn't be broken | 20:59 |
| ochosi | agreed | 20:59 |
| ali1234 | as i wrote on the ML, there's three ways to use the MONITOR_ROOT_PIXMAP code | 20:59 |
| ali1234 | not at all, all the time, or only at startup | 21:00 |
| ali1234 | i want all three to work, even if we only use one | 21:00 |
| ali1234 | do you know how to remove xfdesktop from the session startup? | 21:00 |
| ali1234 | if this code still doesn't work, it might be that we need to do some server grabs to keep things from happening at the same time | 21:06 |
| ali1234 | i already added that to the greeter, but xfwm4 might need it to | 21:06 |
| ochosi | not sure, i think xfce4-session starts it | 21:12 |
| ochosi | but you can remove it from there | 21:12 |
| ochosi | ali1234: settings-manager > sessions > session | 21:12 |
| ali1234 | it's not in there in mine... | 21:13 |
| ali1234 | ok, bgfix2 branch, please test :) | 21:15 |
| ali1234 | i haven't added debugging yet, just doing that now | 21:15 |
| ochosi | ali1234: i'm at it | 21:33 |
| ochosi | do i need anything apart from the bgfix2 branch? | 21:35 |
| ali1234 | well, i;ve just done the debugging for lightdm-gtk-greeter and xfwm4, so hang on 1 second while i push it | 21:37 |
| ali1234 | right please test these branches: | 21:38 |
| ochosi | ah ok | 21:38 |
| ali1234 | lp:~a-j-buxton/lightdm-gtk-greeter/experimental-debug | 21:39 |
| ali1234 | and bgfix2-debug for xfwm4 | 21:39 |
| ochosi | so those two branches write some logs? | 21:39 |
| ochosi | or how can i check the debugging stuff | 21:39 |
| ali1234 | yes, all logs go to /var/log/syslog | 21:39 |
| ochosi | right, it'd be ideal if brainwash could test these, as he's the one seeing troublesome stuff | 21:40 |
| ali1234 | yeah, i need to add logging to xfdesktop too for that... gotta fork that on github first tho | 21:40 |
| ali1234 | also, there might be bugs in my logging code :) | 21:40 |
| ali1234 | that's what you're really testing at this point :) | 21:40 |
| ochosi | hehe, fine :) | 21:42 |
| * ochosi puts on the guinea-pig t-shirt | 21:42 | |
| ali1234 | so, in order to test, do this: tail -f /var/log/syslog | 21:42 |
| ali1234 | then try killing xfdesktop one time | 21:42 |
| ali1234 | then kill it 5 times and try "hsetroot -color \#ff00ff" - you should see the background change to purple | 21:43 |
| ochosi | wait, first install the branches, then restart, then kill xfdesktop?[24;2~ | 21:43 |
| ali1234 | yeah, oviously you gotta install it all :) | 21:43 |
| ali1234 | anyway you should see stuff like "found pixmap" and so on | 21:43 |
| ali1234 | pastebin all that so i can check it makes sense | 21:44 |
| ali1234 | you should also see "set root pixmap" from lightdm-gtk-greeter, then when xfwm4 starts you should see it find the same pixmap XID | 21:44 |
| ali1234 | also stuff about GrabServer | 21:45 |
| ochosi | ok, restarting now... | 21:47 |
| ochosi | brb | 21:47 |
| ochosi | ok, i'm back | 21:50 |
| ali1234 | just in time for patched xfdesktop | 21:50 |
| ochosi | holy crap, xfdesktop won't go away | 21:50 |
| ochosi | i mean it says "no process found" | 21:50 |
| ochosi | but the wallpaper is still there | 21:50 |
| ochosi | ah, that's xfwm4 then | 21:51 |
| ochosi | the hsetroot command didn't work though | 21:51 |
| ali1234 | yeah :) | 21:52 |
| ochosi | i mean the syntax doesn't work out :) | 21:52 |
| ali1234 | the wallpaper should remain even after xfdesktop is killed - that's the *whole* point :) | 21:52 |
| ochosi | good, i guess that means that part is working | 21:52 |
| ochosi | nice | 21:52 |
| ali1234 | oh sorry, hsetroot -solid ... | 21:52 |
| ochosi | yeah, works | 21:52 |
| ali1234 | git://github.com/ali1234/xfdesktop | 21:52 |
| ali1234 | add that in to the mix please :) | 21:52 |
| ochosi | and, gahh, my poor eyes! | 21:53 |
| ochosi | terrible color-choice | 21:53 |
| ochosi | back to black... | 21:53 |
| ali1234 | \#ff7f00 is nice orange :) | 21:53 |
| ali1234 | xfdesktop is still pushing | 21:53 |
| ochosi | yeah, i was wondering why i received a message about pulling an empty repo :) | 21:54 |
| ochosi | that's the problem with these old code-bases | 21:54 |
| ochosi | lotsa history | 21:54 |
| ochosi | and my connection is lame | 21:54 |
| ali1234 | well if you have a clone of it already you can just add my repo, it will only fetch the changes | 21:54 |
| ali1234 | git ftw... | 21:54 |
| ochosi | yeah, it's pretty clever | 21:55 |
| ali1234 | git remote add ali1234 git://github.com/ali1234/xfdesktop && git fetch ali1234 && git checkout ali1234/master | 21:55 |
| ochosi | i can't understand why they had to create bzr... | 21:55 |
| ali1234 | bzr can probably do this too, but i don't know how | 21:55 |
| ochosi | ping me when the pushing is done | 21:56 |
| ali1234 | its done | 21:56 |
| ochosi | cool | 21:56 |
| ochosi | so i presume restarting xfdesktop is enough? | 21:58 |
| ali1234 | yeah, just kill it (if you did make install) | 21:58 |
| ali1234 | the greeter is the only one that is funny about that stuff | 21:58 |
| ochosi | ok, done | 21:59 |
| ochosi | the wallpapers are back | 21:59 |
| ali1234 | you should see it set the pxmap, then xfwm4 will pick up the new pixmap | 21:59 |
| ochosi | Nov 27 22:58:46 legume xfdesktop[7665]: set root pixmap XID=0x3a00023 | 21:59 |
| ochosi | Nov 27 22:58:46 legume xfwm4[1557]: display=:0.0, screen=0 - found pixmap 0x3a00023 | 21:59 |
| ali1234 | perfect | 21:59 |
| ali1234 | this is what should happen. the XID should match | 21:59 |
| ochosi | it does indeed | 22:00 |
| ochosi | need more syslog output? | 22:00 |
| ali1234 | only if you have corruption or anything like that | 22:00 |
| ali1234 | try locking the screen :) | 22:00 |
| ochosi | no, eveything seems fine | 22:00 |
| ochosi | ok :) | 22:00 |
| ali1234 | you should see that lightdm uses display:1.0 | 22:00 |
| ali1234 | and xfwm4 will not notice that pixmap change | 22:01 |
| ochosi | yeah it does | 22:01 |
| ochosi | yup, it doesn't | 22:01 |
| ali1234 | as it shouldn't since it's a different display | 22:01 |
| ochosi | worked perfectly | 22:01 |
| ali1234 | so now we need brainwash to test this, then maybe we see why it corrupts | 22:01 |
| ochosi | yup | 22:01 |
| ochosi | although if it is a driver issue, we probably won't | 22:01 |
| ali1234 | perhaps not | 22:02 |
| ochosi | but still | 22:02 |
| ochosi | this is quite informative | 22:02 |
| ali1234 | if the log looks okay it can only really be a driver issue :( | 22:02 |
| ochosi | fwiw, with all the messing around, the greeter doesn't seem to pick up my wallpaper anymore | 22:02 |
| ochosi | it always seems to display one i haven't used for a while | 22:02 |
| ali1234 | yes, because xfdesktop and accountservice | 22:02 |
| ochosi | yeah | 22:02 |
| ochosi | but also when i switched back to the 4.12 PPA | 22:03 |
| ali1234 | it's picking up an old setting - the new xfdesktop uses different keys | 22:03 |
| ochosi | oh | 22:03 |
| ochosi | so the patch doesn't work anymore? | 22:03 |
| ali1234 | it's quite messed up for me, i think i need to clear out the settings | 22:03 |
| ali1234 | i haven't aplied the account service patch | 22:03 |
| ali1234 | never even looked at it | 22:03 |
| ochosi | well, would be nice if that worked again here | 22:03 |
| ochosi | will now revert to my tabwin branch again | 22:04 |
| ochosi | there's still some work to do there | 22:04 |
| ali1234 | going to need to update it for the new xfdesktop | 22:04 |
| ochosi | weird, i was using xfdesktop 4.11 before and i think it worked | 22:08 |
| ali1234 | probably picking out the old key/value | 22:09 |
| ochosi | probably | 22:10 |
| ochosi | my desktop settings seem quite oldish | 22:10 |
| ochosi | think i'll clear them out | 22:10 |
| slickymaster | night all | 22:11 |
| ochosi | night slickymaster | 22:12 |
| slickymaster | hi ochosi | 22:12 |
| ali1234 | brb... | 22:12 |
| ali1234 | i saw the corruption :( | 22:16 |
| ali1234 | i think i know why though | 22:16 |
| ali1234 | also got the missing gtk theme stuff | 22:16 |
| ali1234 | no idea at all what that's about | 22:16 |
| ochosi | oh | 22:17 |
| ochosi | i didn't get that | 22:17 |
| Unit193 | "Corruption", black and white lines by chance that go away? | 22:17 |
| ochosi | no, just a slightly garbled version of my wallpaper for a split-second | 22:17 |
| ali1234 | yes, that's what i mean | 22:18 |
| ali1234 | it's because it sets the root pixmap *before* copying in the wallpaper | 22:18 |
| ali1234 | i had this problem in the greeter but fixed it | 22:18 |
| ali1234 | need to fix in in xfdesktop too | 22:18 |
| ochosi | right, that sounds promising | 22:24 |
| ochosi | so it'll be really smooth in the end | 22:25 |
| ali1234 | yeah, it's nearly there now... just needs the xfdesktop fixings now | 22:26 |
| ali1234 | ok, that was easy | 22:30 |
| ali1234 | https://github.com/ali1234/xfdesktop/commit/d88d5405d0b42334d1b1a14b509708f13813c434 | 22:31 |
| ali1234 | eric_the_idiot: ^ | 22:31 |
| ali1234 | brainwash: testing instructions: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6486852/ | 22:33 |
| slickymaster | elfy, at your disposal https://code.launchpad.net/~slickymaster/ubuntu-manual-tests/ubuntu-manual-tests/+merge/196989 | 22:34 |
| brainwash | ali1234: ok, test results tomorrow, cannot access my test machine at the moment | 22:53 |
| ochosi | ali1234: nice, all in all your patches really don't look like they hurt at all, they just remove the communication troubles between the components | 22:53 |
| ali1234 | right. i think i've made the code shorter overall too | 22:53 |
| ali1234 | got a really helpful piece of advice from #xorg: use XRenderCreateSolidFill instead of messing about with pixmaps | 22:54 |
| ochosi | wowza, anyone ever heard of this before? http://gmc-holle.github.io/xfdashboard/ | 22:59 |
| ali1234 | hah... no | 22:59 |
| ochosi | just read about it on the xfce-users ml | 23:00 |
| ali1234 | looks like a weird cross between unity and gnome-shell... my two "favourite" desktops | 23:00 |
| ochosi | yeah, it's strange, the guy said he's a gnome3 refugee, but then again he seems to want gnome3... | 23:00 |
| ochosi | and it uses clutter | 23:01 |
| ali1234 | lol | 23:01 |
| ochosi | which might be important for the stuff he does, but eh...? | 23:01 |
| ali1234 | >.< | 23:02 |
| ochosi | just makes me wonder why he doesn't just use gnome3 with some xfce components instead | 23:02 |
| ali1234 | or unity | 23:02 |
| ali1234 | does he use a distro that isn't ubuntu? | 23:02 |
| Unit193 | You can install Unity just fine on Arch. | 23:03 |
| ali1234 | yeah but not anywhere else | 23:03 |
| ali1234 | also, "just fine" is a bit of a stretch. there's one guy maintaining the whole unity stack | 23:03 |
| ali1234 | which is about 10x bigger than all of xfce | 23:03 |
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