[00:23] hey everyone! [00:24] anyone know how to install Steam on Lubuntu 13.10? [00:24] same guy? [00:24] sorta im his bro and im helping him [00:24] well, you need to figure out why it hangs [00:25] strace will show you what it is doing, but you need to be able to interpret the output [00:25] I dont know, I tried uninstalling it installing it by this method:http://fosshelp.blogspot.com/2013/10/how-to-install-steam-client-on-ubuntu.html [00:25] strace how do you open that? [00:25] it's a command line program [00:26] so i type in strace steam? [00:27] okay i typed that and i got lots of text [00:27] lemme see how i can post it [00:28] you need to do: strace -f -e file steam 2>/tmp/strace.log [00:29] okay, now what? [00:31] now pastebinit /tmp/strace.log [00:32] then post the url it gives you [00:33] http://paste.ubuntu.com/6487270/ [00:34] heh... massive [00:36] hmm... what specs does the computer have btw? [00:36] people usually put lubuntu on low spec machines... maybe it's just not good enough to run steam? [00:37] This has like 512MB of RAM [00:37] and Intel Pentium 4 [00:38] what graphics card? [00:39] how do you check that? [00:39] lspci | grep VGA [00:40] Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) [00:41] * penguin42 notes that strace has a SIGTRAP in - very odd [00:43] yeah i saw that [00:44] make me think maybe they don't want people debugging the steam binaries :) [00:44] although it loads up fine here in strace [00:46] execve("/bin/sed", ["sed", "s/32/64/"], [/* 57 vars */] -> what [00:47] i have no idea what does that mean [00:47] Asus 4k monitors starting to appear - at just under #3k for 31.5" [00:47] :D [00:47] penguin42: i'll have two! ;) [00:48] ali1234: It's not bothered to show you the whole of the environment [00:48] lol running Steam on an 865G onboard [00:48] penguin42: i know, i was more like "why is it even running sed s/32/64/" [00:48] ali1234: Well that's the way to convert 32 machines into 64.... [00:49] spencer7x7: what does "uname -a" say? [00:49] ali1234: Is it possible he has a 64bit steam download for his 64bit machine? [00:49] daftykins: To be fair it is a lot of pixels [00:50] it's a 32 bit steam according to an older paste [00:50] ok [00:50] ali1234: Being P4 I'm wondering if it's missing an instruction extension, one of the SSE... [00:50] if it's a pentium 4 like he said then it must be 32-bit right [00:50] there was one gen of 64bit [00:50] i search and the text "uname -a" does not appear [00:51] it's a command [00:51] oh okay [00:51] penguin42: yeah i thought that too, but then it should say "SIGILL" not "SIGTRAP" [00:51] Linux Mydim3s 3.11.0-13-generic #20-Ubuntu SMP Wed Oct 23 17:26:33 UTC 2013 i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux [00:51] hmm, yes, definitely 32 bit [00:51] ali1234: Yeh agreed, I'd also expect the SIGILL [00:52] also it should exit, not just hang [00:52] all this strace is doing all the standard dpkg stuff that steam does to install it's deps [00:55] so what do we do? [00:56] this is a hard one [00:56] ali1234: How about strace attach to the hung thing? [00:56] lemme try [00:56] * penguin42 notes Steams hardware requirements just say 512MB RAM/1GHz or faster [00:57] maybe it's trying to do some network thing? [00:57] he has that [00:57] is there not some steam specific debug somewhere? [00:58] it must be querying Valve for client updates no? [00:58] if it's first run [00:58] just a bootstrap log, but its pretty useless [00:59] all it says is :[2013-11-27 19:28:51] Startup - updater built Nov 25 2013 18:07:05 [00:59] ~/.steam/steam/logs/ [00:59] there is only bootstrap_log.txt, and nothing else? [01:00] yeah [01:00] only bootstrap_log.txt [01:00] when it's hanging is it eating cpu or disk? [01:00] the thing is, when you "install" the steam.deb, it really only installs another installer [01:01] and it looks like the second installer is failing somehow [01:01] hmm weirsd [01:01] and its not eating CPU or RAM [01:01] its just doing nothing [01:01] then... it's waiting for something [01:01] should i reopen it? [01:02] just leave it for now [01:02] mkay [01:02] what processes are actually running? [01:03] lxtask and chrome [01:04] what does "pgrep steam" say? [01:04] (open a second terminal) [01:04] 3095 [01:05] try: sudo strace -p3095 [01:05] this will output a lot... or maybe nothing at all [01:05] but it will most likely say the same thing over and over [01:05] or be stuck in a select or poll [01:05] yes [01:06] it says "Process 3095 attached futex(0x96e9b0c, FUTEX_WAIT_PRIVATE, 1, NULL" [01:06] ah [01:06] ah? [01:06] that's difficult to track [01:06] means nothing to me :) [01:06] brb gotta eat [01:06] ali1234: It means it's waiting for some other process [01:06] o_O [01:07] like, dpkg? [01:07] AH [01:07] lubuntu = no consolekit? [01:07] ali1234: Well it's pretty much impossible to tell at that point [01:07] it's popping that thing that says "you need to install these dependencies", and that is trying to do consolekit on dbus... and lubuntu doesn't have it [01:07] yeh waiting on dbus is reasonable [01:08] dbus-monitor perhaps? [01:08] so maybe the fix it: sudo apt-get -f install [01:08] which steam normally does for you, but apparently can't for some reason [01:10] doesn't the deb just install some dependancies 0o [01:10] seems a bit of an oversight [01:11] no if you install it with dpkg [01:11] oic [01:11] or maybe gdebi, if you downloaded it manually [01:11] ah yes, the graphical way is no way :> [01:11] anyway, steam does check for this and tries to fix it, but maybe it can't in lubuntu [01:14] you know, if it were me, i'd have just re-run it as root for fun [01:14] to see if it made any difference XD [01:15] i haven't done that in years :) [01:15] which i know is totally stupid [01:15] not since i used gentoo probably [01:15] the masochists distro [01:15] no, that's suse [01:16] how is suse worse 0o [01:16] yast. [01:16] hateful package management? [01:16] yast isn't just a package manager [01:16] it configures everything on the whole system. and if you don't use it, it eats your config files [01:17] * penguin42 had this laptop running opensuse for a while - it wasn't THAT bad [01:17] :D [01:17] opensuse fixed a lot of the problems with it. but last time i used suse was like... 2002 [01:17] i have the boxed edition somewhere still [01:17] 8 CDs and 3 manuals [01:18] yeh I've got a SuSE for Alpha box set from about 2000ish [01:19] lol 3 manuals, ouch [01:20] anyway gentoo seemed like an improvement at the time, due to it's hands-off approach to letting you configure everything the way you want [01:20] k back [01:20] spencer7x7: try this: sudo apt-get -f install [01:20] er, kill steam first [01:22] does the fact that is says "The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:" have anything to do with it? [01:22] no [01:22] and something about autoremove [01:22] no, that's fine [01:23] okay now what [01:23] anything else? [01:23] cause other than that text, that command did nothing [01:23] in your situation since nothing is happening, it'd be more likely due to missing packages rather than having something extra :> [01:23] maybe Lubuntu has some packages Ubuntu doesnt have? [01:24] yes, quite possibly [01:24] but the steam.deb doesn't have a dependency on them, so there's no way to know what they might be [01:24] maybe someone has them written up somewhere? [01:24] no, tried googling [01:25] the only thing that came up was xfonts-scalable but that didn't help [01:25] could install ubuntu-desktop if you have the space [01:25] (don't need to use it) [01:26] well all i can think of is doing a full strace to find what it's waiting on [01:26] spencer7x7: what games do you really hope to run on that ancient machine anyway? :D [01:26] i mean is it even worth it? [01:27] i dunno its my bros idea [01:27] hey im the first guy who asked mydim3 [01:27] and i think this computer can run team forrtress [01:29] ah yeah [01:29] as in classic [01:29] no i mean the 2nd [01:30] i think it can run it [01:30] this pos is not that bad [01:31] spencer7x7: so, we're going to do this the hard way i guess. open two terminals, kill steam if it's running, then do: strace -f steam 2>/tmp/steam.log [01:31] onboard 865 graphics? hmm i really don't think so [01:31] then in the other terminal do: tail -f /tmp/steam.log [01:32] wait until it starts outputing the same thing over and over (that thing about FUTEX probably) and then kill the strace in the first terminal [01:32] then check how big the log file is [01:33] 1st terminal just stopped [01:33] yeah it will [01:33] it shouldn't output much of anything at all [01:34] everything should go to the second one [01:34] 2nd one is put out some text and just got stuck [01:34] what's the last thing it said on the second? [01:34] exited with 0 [01:34] full line? [01:35] +++ exited with 0 +++ [01:35] first terminal is still running? [01:35] yeah [01:35] did you put -f? [01:36] its not throwing new text [01:36] yes [01:36] i put -f [01:36] did you kill steam before doing this? [01:36] yes [01:37] hmm [01:37] how big is the /tmp/steam.log? [01:37] lemme see [01:37] wheres the log file? [01:37] sorry for the lame question [01:38] /tmp/ [01:38] hmm, its pretty big [01:39] like 45000+ lines [01:39] how many MB is it? [01:39] 3.9 [01:40] ok, do this: tail -n 2000 /tmp/steam.log | pastebinit [01:40] http://paste.ubuntu.com/6487445/ [01:42] should we just install wine and put steam? [01:43] heh [01:44] personally i think you should install xubuntu instead lubuntu... i know steam works on that [01:45] TF2 so won't run well :D [01:46] naw lubuntu i think is better because its a old computer and people said use lubuntu it's lightweight [01:46] im mydim3 [01:46] now [01:46] if your computer can't run xubuntu it definitely can't run TF2... [01:46] it can run it but [01:46] its a hassle to install it. [01:47] i already like lubuntu [01:47] may have to give up on Steam then [01:47] its better to get wine [01:47] and then steam [01:47] you can try it [01:47] lol trust me it's way too crap to WINE a game [01:48] can't hurt... and there's more games that work in wine [01:48] plus wine is usually faster than windows [01:49] i know right [01:49] ali its me mydim3 [01:49] not spencer7x7 [01:50] "/nick nickname" === spencer7x7 is now known as mydim3 [01:50] cool [01:50] ok [01:50] its the owner of the computer [01:51] how do i get wine? [01:52] it's in the software center [01:53] which one?? [01:53] there are 3 options [01:54] playonlinux? [01:54] ali [01:55] hello? [01:55] everyone left? [01:56] what are the three you see? [01:56] actually just look up whatever game you're going to want to try and run for a guide [01:57] i dunno how you install stuff in lubuntu ... [01:57] hey any of you know elsword? [01:57] i would just do "sudo apt-get install wine" [01:57] then you follow some guide for how to install steam in wine [01:58] basically download steam.exe for windows and then wine steam.exe [05:05] http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/11/once-great-ssd-manufacturer-ocz-filing-for-bankruptcy/ [05:10] ! [05:10] wow. [05:11] They were one of the first SSD manufacturers, and some of their early devices had high failure rates [05:11] *nod* [05:12] it didn't seem like they really had as much of a share of the market as they should, for how early and big a name they were on things [05:12] no wonder they were so tight about refunding me when my RAM broke :P [05:12] wasn't someone sending back their SSD under warranty? [05:12] +in here [05:13] err possibly [05:13] was bit bigcalm who had one or two die 0o [05:14] I think so. aq was the other one, but I don't know if that was an OCZ drive [05:16] Good thing Amazon's black friday deal SSDs are Crucials ;) [05:17] oh and a Kingston (in ~12 hrs) [05:18] so weird that stuff coming to the UK too [05:18] daftykins: even amazon.de is doing it [05:18] it's like there's not even any difference between the UK and US now [05:18] hm, Hugh Laurie's album in 8 hrs [05:19] 8hrs? [05:21] daftykins: yeah, on their "Upcoming deals" list, they show that in 8 hours time, they'll have a deal on tha [05:21] t [05:21] aaah [05:21] i get ya [05:22] just looking at the SSDs section now [05:22] although i don't need anything :) [05:59] morning everyone [06:12] morning [06:44] hey mungbean [06:44] do you by chance know anything about lmde ? [06:44] for the life of me i"m unablet to find a way to run a remote desktop server on it [06:59] nope :( [06:59] try x2go [06:59] x2go, does that support rdp ? [07:00] ah try xrdp [07:02] looks like the server is running [07:05] hmm.. xrdp works, but it starts up a different session [07:05] not remote control the session i'm currently using [07:13] morning all :) [07:13] seen this? got a quote to send in, I've done mine - http://princessleia.com/journal/?p=8762 [07:27] \o all [07:28] MooDoo: "Bodyshots." - M. Shuttleworth (source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSxAoxwYyxE) [07:41] Hey everyone ! [07:45] howdy knightwise [07:49] Morning [07:50] morning [07:52] I need to buy a colour laser multi function printer [07:52] "multi" in this case only really means print and copy, dont need the fax bit [07:54] grr , cant believe the only way to simply remote access a 'current' session on an LMDE machine via RDP is through some complicated hack [07:54] popey: if you want something that's well-supported in Ubuntu, HP and Brother tend to be good [07:55] yeah, HP are my usual go-to [07:55] popey: I have an HP colour laser printer (no scanning feature), which is amazing [07:55] We've used Xerox and Kyocera before with no real issues either. TBH I don't think printers is that much of an issue anymore... [07:56] * knightwise hasn't had a printer in years [07:56] it'll mostly be used from a mac anyway [07:56] Been using Xerox for the last lasers and they've performed well and lasted well. And have replacement toner that costs less than a new printer - amazingly. [07:56] popey http://tweakers.net/categorie/922/printers/producten/#filter:NcyxCoAgFIXhdzmzQ1aE-gBuPUE0iN5BEI1rtITvng5NBz5-zovCgdhGSgEG1RcmCFwcPe0xw0wC9SJvY7qJK8yLeZHz2MclmAN62nA2MXgd7HIYLHGKP1Fa9U-ldQ9b-wA [07:57] popey: correction, that's both b/w and colour laser printers with scanning features. [07:57] http://tweakers.net/categorie/922/printers/producten/#filter:VcyxDoQgEATQf5maQsUY4APsrrrSWBDYggtRs5hrDP_ukovFVZu8mdkLO0fiOVGOcDg4fQrUD987n2K-BBFJAr3SBtcplIPCnPJJXOAuDLof2v36DLfAdhPWqhqPjf0WG_dY1VMx1shPY-1T1H97LVzrDQ [07:57] this is colour-only [07:58] It seems to like the HP Laserjet Pro 100 M175nw [08:00] heh, thats the one I found last night and left open in amazon to look at [08:01] popey: there are 2 versions, one with just USB2 and one with ethernet and wifi as well [08:01] popey: (which is only €30 more expensive, but so worth it ;)) [08:02] yeah, needs to be networked [08:02] it'll be hidden in a cupboard [08:02] * popey goes to measure cupboard.. 441x421x338, or 441x380x441 with everything open [08:04] \o/ it will fit [08:04] looks like we have a winner [08:05] £210 from printware [08:05] How do you distinguish the USB version and the ethernet/wifi version on amazon? [08:05] CE866A vs CE865A [08:05] it also has nw on the end of the model number [08:05] also, M175a vs M175nw apparently [08:06] 190 on ebay [08:11] Bought! [08:11] thanks for the help [08:11] np [08:13] once it arrives I might look at making a sliding shelf for it [08:16] good morning all [08:18] good morning [08:24] TLS key negotiation failed to occur within 60 seconds (check your network connectivity) how to resolve openvpn client problem [08:25] TLS Error: TLS handshake failed [08:25] mornin! [08:25] pip pip [08:26] popey [08:26] dvrr - does this help? - http://openvpn.net/index.php/open-source/faq/79-client/253-tls-error-tls-key-negotiation-failed-to-occur-within-60-seconds-check-your-network-connectivity.html [08:26] dvrr: ? [08:26] openvpn server TLS key negotiation failed to occur within 60 seconds (check your network connectivity) how to resolve openvpn client problem [08:27] good morning everyone. [08:29] https://fund.arkos.io/ so close [08:31] Don't forget AlanOS too: http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/a-raspberry-pi-build-cluster-for-ubuntu/x/5292412 ;-) [08:38] http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/nov/26/xbox-one-juddering-plagues-uk-tv-watchers [08:38] oof [08:39] rotflmao [08:40] oh deal "known issue but has declined to comment" ooops [08:41] My kids said they wanted a xbone but I said nope. Not having that in our house. Don't like the "always on" nature of the kinect stuff... Will steer them gently towards some version of the Steam box next year. [08:43] wii in our house, althogh just bought laddo his first ds [08:43] We have a Wii and an xbox 360 [08:46] Oh help... I'm looking at chilli seeds... Again. [08:46] we have a wii in our house [08:47] plus some other odds and sods [08:47] TheOpenSourcerer: cross breed them and create an ubuntu coloured one. ;) [08:47] TheOpenSourcerer, have they given a reason for xbone over ps4 or wiiu? [08:48] Not really directhex just "it's new" so it must be better ;-) [08:48] ps4 isn't out until tomorrow, it's even newer! [08:48] (in the uk) [08:48] They spend too long gaming anyway. [08:48] They have enough right now. [08:49] I am inclined to support Steam - if the device looks any good - next year. [08:49] can't get my daughter off the ipad with peppa pig games at the moment. [08:50] popey: Know much about the arkos ? [08:50] argos? [08:50] archos? [08:50] Looks the sort of thing work people could use. https://fund.arkos.io/ [08:51] MooDoo: Bit like this one you mean? http://www.hot-pain.de/files/forum/images/sorten/Bhut_Orange_Kopenhagen_Frucht_reif1.jpg [08:53] diplo: only what you see on the site [08:53] OK, just downloaded Genesis to have a looksy :) [08:53] yeah, i had a play [08:53] Thoughts ? [08:54] TheOpenSourcerer: fab lol [08:55] diplo: it's not finished ☻ [08:56] TheOpenSourcerer: I can't see myself getting an Xbone or PS4 anytime in the next 3 years. The kids still play xbox classic and 360, and wii [08:58] i currently plan to ignore the xbox one [08:58] I'm planning to ignore both xb1 and ps4 [08:58] Same here, kids love the ps3. Got them infinity and the swap force game [08:58] but in the general case, i want to see a gaming experience on xbone or ps4 which was impossible on 360 or ps3, before splashing out [08:58] And I rarel yused my 360 or ps3 when the kids aren't about [08:58] directhex: my lad loved infinity, now wants swap force, but not for christmas me thingks [08:59] the wii u has gaming experiences which were impossible on prior hardware [08:59] diplo: get them Lumines Supernova :) [08:59] Wasssat ? MartijnVdS :) [08:59] MooDoo, it was on yesterday's amazon black friday [08:59] diplo, a colour matching block game [08:59] with matching music [08:59] directhex: I'm just waiting for the bugs, maybe another year or so until a PS4 [08:59] directhex: we got him a 3ds for christmas this year, that's enough [09:00] Ah right, they have stuff like that on the tablet [09:00] morning all [09:00] MooDoo, we got ourselves a 3ds for xmas this year [09:00] Talking of tablets, does anyone or has anyone know how to root /rom a 2nd Gen Kindle Fire [09:00] diplo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Pk51iTZx00 [09:00] can someone confirm this bug? Bug #1232015 [09:00] bug 1232015 in xmlrpc-c (Ubuntu) "libxmlrpc-core-c3 replaces libxmlrpc-c3 but does not provide it" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1232015 [09:00] God I hate that interface!!!! [09:00] oh thats not moving [09:00] MooDoo: That part of my chilli seed collection that I want to grow next year: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6488619/ [09:00] directhex: yeah don't think he needs one of them yet but the 3ds games do work on the 2ds but without 3d [09:00] diplo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVAyiRhzPLg that one is :) [09:01] TheOpenSourcerer: I may be contacting you at some point as I want to try again with the chilli growing. [09:01] heh Xbox One add at the start, wonder if they have paid to load their ads at anythin gwith PS3/4 :) [09:01] That sounds like it would drive me insane fairly quickly MartijnVdS, but my eldest would probably like it. [09:01] Why didn't they call the Model B Raspberry Pi with more memory the Model B+? [09:02] there are no games on xbone or ps4 at launch which could not have been on ps3/360 at a slightly lower resolution. [09:02] diplo: I have it on the PSP. You start to dream of it, like when you've played too much Tetris [09:02] hell, half the launch games *are* on the ps3/360 at a slightly lower resolution [09:02] Exactly why I haven't even looked yet [09:02] and the rest are not new. Ryse on xbone is just god of war, which is just streets of rage [09:03] new experiences please [09:04] directhex: like the Stanley Parable? [09:05] MartijnVdS, that's another way to play the idea, sure. but i think the problem with indie games is they're most common on pc and smartphone... why buy a steamos box for indies when you could pay less for ouya? [09:05] MartijnVdS, but even from the big names [09:06] MartijnVdS, example: the first big budget next-gen game, when the 360 and ps3 shipped, was Dead Rising on the 360. the processing power of the 360 enabled a totally new type of apocalypse compared to what could run on the ps2 or xbox or gamecube [09:06] even with 2-colour textures and 30-polygon models, that game wouldn't have been possible on ps2 [09:07] which we know from experience, thanks to the wii "port" which decreased zombie numbers by about 10x, making a totally different game [09:10] compare the crowd density (therefore the whole experience of how to survive a zombie horde) between http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxzREqJjeUA#t=33 and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf5TmwAo_l4 [09:10]