[05:12] <nuvolari> o/ mornings
[05:14] <SilverCode> anyone here work at, or know someone who works at Obsidian Systems and knows what is up with their jabber server?
[05:21] <Kilos> morning superfly mazal psychicist and lurkers
[05:22] <superfly> hi Kilos 
[05:22] <superfly> morning nuvolari and SilverCode 
[05:23] <mazal> Morning everyone
[05:23] <superfly> SilverCode: not a clue. i stopped using it a while ago because my only contact was my wife
[05:24] <Kilos> what did i miss
[05:24] <superfly> and we moved to Google talk when we got android phones
[05:24] <superfly> mazal: Ohi
[05:26] <SilverCode> superfly: sadly I have quite a few work contacts on jabber.co.za still, but would love to move away from it. Seems the server dies every 2nd day now
[05:26] <superfly> it's never been reliable
[05:27] <superfly> don't they have contact details on the site?
[05:27] <SilverCode> which doesn't give me much confidence in their hosting abilities :)
[05:28] <SilverCode> heh, the first thing on their site says "Reliable System Monitoring"
[05:28] <SilverCode> clearly not
[05:30] <SilverCode> on email address listed on their site, only phone numbers and a silly contact form
[05:30] <SilverCode> *on = no
[05:36] <Kilos> hi SilverCode 
[05:36] <kbmonkey> morning
[05:36] <Kilos> ohi kbmonkey 
[05:37] <kbmonkey> just popping in to say hello :]
[05:37] <Kilos> hello young man
[05:38] <kbmonkey> not that young anymore!
[05:38] <Kilos> when you over 50 you not that young
[05:38] <kbmonkey> well I am over halfway there!
[05:38] <SilverCode> hi Kilos 
[05:39] <Kilos> haha
[05:39] <Kilos> you struggling with jabber SilverCode ?
[05:41] <Kilos> tell me when you fix it
[05:41] <Kilos> hehe
[05:42] <Kilos> you well kbmonkey ?
[05:42] <kbmonkey> yes Kilos and you?
[05:42] <Kilos> ohi not_found lost again i see
[05:42]  * Kilos good today ty
[05:43] <Kilos> we had 4mm rain last night and massive storm
[05:43] <Kilos> hard living in semi arid country
[05:44] <Kilos> yo bduk 
[05:44] <kbmonkey> is 4mm measured over 1 sqr meter Kilos ?
[05:45] <Kilos> in a rain gauge
[05:45] <Kilos> so i gues thats 4mm over the whole area
[05:45] <kbmonkey> okay, I will google to find out :)
[05:45] <nuvolari> oh hi oom Kilos, kbmonkey, SilverCode 
[05:46]  * nuvolari tips hat
[05:46] <Kilos> hi nuvolari 
[05:46] <nuvolari> lo bduk 
[05:46] <kbmonkey> ya, I just wonder how large that area is 
[05:46] <nuvolari> and superfly 
[05:46] <kbmonkey> cos 4mm at any given point is a lot! lol
[05:46] <Kilos> lol i have no idea how they work it out
[05:46] <Kilos> no man it just sokes in here
[05:46] <Kilos> soaks
[05:47] <Kilos> very dry here even weeds are struggling
[05:50] <kbmonkey> eish,, mutt is failing today. need another mail client :(
[05:51] <Kilos> have you tried sylpheed
[05:52] <Kilos> it worked ok here but i couldnt use my evo backup to save all addresses
[05:52] <bduk> Morning everyone
[05:54] <kbmonkey> hello bduk 
[05:55] <kbmonkey> no Kilos don't know sylpheed i will look it up
[05:55] <Kilos> in our repos
[05:55] <Kilos> someone else here also uses it
[05:56] <kbmonkey> I see it in the debian repos. GTK.
[05:56] <kbmonkey> cool
[05:56] <kbmonkey> another one I tried was cone
[05:56] <Kilos> i think Squirm uses another one too
[05:57] <Kilos> but none give the backup option like evolution
[05:57] <Kilos> so i live with the heavy thing
[05:57] <kbmonkey> I have backups full system 
[05:58] <Kilos> yeah but do your email addies work if you change mail client
[05:58] <Kilos> when i change i gotta do it manually from scratch
[05:59] <kbmonkey> what do you mean? 
[05:59] <kbmonkey> do the configuration again?
[05:59] <Kilos> like if i use sylpheed it dont see all my mail addies from evolution
[06:00] <Kilos> and major work to write all down and add to contacts
[06:01] <kbmonkey> oh contacts, lol
[06:01] <Kilos> ya them
[06:01] <kbmonkey> mmm, dunno I only email a few anyway
[06:02] <kbmonkey> you must know hundreds of people then Kilos ;)\
[06:02] <Kilos> spanne contacts
[06:03] <Kilos> you gotta cut you finger nails
[06:03] <kbmonkey> I gotta have more coffee
[06:03] <kbmonkey> I am off now - work :[
[06:03] <Kilos> that \ after enter is my reminder to cut finger nails
[06:03] <Kilos> go well and havva good day
[06:03] <kbmonkey> my nails are short I cut them last night!
[06:03] <Kilos> lol
[06:04] <kbmonkey> lol
[06:04] <kbmonkey> Its these keyboards with small enter keys - used to the old keyboards with large buttons ;)
[06:04] <Kilos> aha
[06:10] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[06:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning :)
[06:49] <inetpro> good morning
[06:49] <Kilos> good morning inetpro 
[07:06] <Kilos> what am i doing wrong, the fox dont open the applet thing when i click the button
[07:06] <Kilos> http://fermi.la.asu.edu/ccli/applets/yagi/yagi.html
[07:27] <Squirm> hello
[07:27] <Kilos> hi Squirm tell me what im doing wrong please
[07:27] <Squirm> with what?
[07:27] <Kilos> http://fermi.la.asu.edu/ccli/applets/yagi/yagi.html
[07:28] <Kilos> i click on the button but nothing happens
[07:28] <Kilos> even double clicked
[07:28] <Squirm> I use chrome
[07:28] <Squirm> it popped up asking if I want to run this application with java
[07:28] <Squirm> so I clicked yes
[07:29] <Squirm> and it seems to work
[07:29] <Kilos> ok lemme install chrome
[07:30] <Kilos> is chromium good?
[07:31] <Kilos> i dont see chrome in repos
[07:34] <Squirm> chromium
[07:35] <Squirm> I think you'll need to go to the website
[07:35] <Squirm> I enjoy it
[07:35] <Squirm> syncs all my bookmarks between my 3 pcs and my cellphone
[07:35] <Squirm> and history
[07:35] <Squirm> open tabs
[07:35] <Squirm> etc
[07:35] <Kilos> hmm...
[07:35] <Kilos> chrome is made from chromium
[07:36] <Kilos> so maybe chromium will work
[07:36] <Squirm> can be a little power hungry at times though
[07:36] <Squirm> chromium is chrome
[07:36] <Kilos> its just for that one page
[07:36] <Squirm> otherwise, just make sure java is installed correctly
[07:37] <Kilos> maybe thats where the prob is
[07:42] <Kilos> ah chromium tells me java(TM) is required
[07:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> sadly. java is the only reason i still need to keep a windows vm. I don't have the time to wrestle with it when it breaks every 5 days. :-(
[07:59] <Kilos> eish 133m download
[08:42] <Kilos> ai!
[08:42] <Kilos> java(TM) needs your permission to run
[08:49] <Kilos> yay now chromium needs permissions for the java thing but the fox works
[08:49] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[08:49]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[08:53] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[08:54] <Kilos> Maaz, danke
[08:54] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[08:55] <Kilos> opera also works with java installed
[09:15] <charl> good morning !
[09:15] <charl> hi Kilos, psyatw 
[09:17] <psyatw> hi charl
[09:17] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[09:17] <psyatw> goedemorgen!
[09:17] <Kilos> hi psyatw 
[09:17] <Kilos> hi charl
[09:18]  * Kilos found wonderful antenna design tool
[09:23] <charl> goedemorgen psyatw, hoe gaat het in polen?
[09:24] <psyatw> het gaat wel aardig hier, charl
[09:24] <psyatw> maar of ik hier echt een toekomst heb, weet ik niet
[09:24] <psyatw> inkomens zijn relatief laag en dat kun je je maar voor een bepaalde tijd veroorloven
[09:25] <charl> ja dat is helaas wel een probleem met de "armer" landen zeg maar... zijn er wel veel werkmogelijkheden?
[09:25] <psyatw> vooral omdat ik mijn studie bij de open universiteit wil vervolgen (ik was delftenaar) en dat kost geld, wat ik hier niet verdien
[09:25] <charl> bah dat zuigt
[09:25] <psyatw> ja inderdaad
[09:28] <charl> ik wou je nog eens een keer vragen... hoe zit het in polen qua uitrol van glasvezel?
[09:28] <charl> ftth namelijk
[09:31] <Kilos> hi SmilyBorg_h 
[09:31] <SmilyBorg_h> Hey there Kilos
[09:32] <SmilyBorg_h> how are you doing today?
[09:32] <Kilos> im well and excited ty and you?
[09:32] <charl> hi SmilyBorg 
[09:32] <SmilyBorg> Hi charl
[09:33] <SmilyBorg> I'm doing ok. bit chilly in Durban today
[09:33] <charl> durban? it ever gets cold in durban? :)
[09:33] <SmilyBorg> just spent the lasft few hours at The Factory Cafe drinking good coffee :-)
[09:33] <Kilos> hmm... must be rain coming or been raining and wind chill factor helping
[09:33] <charl> it's 8 degrees over here right now btw, warm compared to yesterday
[09:34] <SmilyBorg> my body treats anything below 23C as cold
[09:34] <Kilos> hahaha same as me
[09:34] <SmilyBorg> eish
[09:37] <SmilyBorg> weather SA says it's 19 in durban today
[09:37] <SmilyBorg> but my feet are blocks of ice
[09:38] <Kilos> Maaz, forecast durban
[09:38] <Maaz> Kilos: Wednesday: Overcast. High: 23° C., Wednesday Night: Overcast. Low: 16° C., Thursday: Rain. High: 21° C., Thursday Night: Rain. Low: 15° C., Friday: Clear. High: 23° C., Friday Night: Partly Cloudy. Low: 18° C., Saturday: Partly Cloudy. High: 28° C., Saturday Night: Chance of Rain. Low: 17° C., Sunday: Chance of Rain. High: 23° C., Sunday Night:
[09:38] <Maaz> Chance of Rain. Low: 17° C., Monday: Chance of Rain. High: 21° C., Monday Night: Mostly Clo…
[09:38] <Kilos> hang on till saterday then youl be good again
[09:39] <SmilyBorg> yay :-)
[09:39] <Kilos> you'll
[09:39] <SmilyBorg> supposed to be going to a Hawaiian Luau themed party on Saturday so warm will be good
[09:42] <Kilos> hehe
[09:42] <Kilos> hi gwood 
[12:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> Maaz, forecast velddrif
[12:48] <Maaz> ThatGraemeGuy: City not found
[12:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> booooooooo!
[12:50] <Kilos> where is that ThatGraemeGuy ?
[12:51] <Kilos> whats the closest recognised city
[12:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> recognised by who? anyone in cape town knows where it is already :-p
[12:51] <Kilos> lol
[12:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> its on the west coast, about 150km from cape town i think
[12:52] <Kilos> is a suburb of capetown
[12:52] <Kilos> oh
[12:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> dis sommer 'n klein vissermans dorpie
[12:52] <charl> 150km is far
[12:52] <inetpro> Velddrif or Velddrift (population 7800 in 2007[2]) is a coastal fishing town in the Bergrivier Local Municipality, Western Cape, South Africa. It is located on the estuary where the Berg River flows into St. Helena Bay.
[12:52] <inetpro> it's even on Wikipedia
[12:52] <Kilos> not often dorpies are included in reconised by maaz
[12:53] <charl> i was about to say, inetpro turned into our new wikipedia :)
[12:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> it should use a better source then :P
[12:53] <Kilos> oh my hi inetpro thuinder coming hey
[12:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://yr.no/ is my favourite
[12:53] <charl> a norwegian weather service?!
[12:53] <inetpro> Kilos: eish! Can you tell me boss
[12:54] <charl> whow it is super fast
[12:54] <Kilos> yip ill keep an eye on it
[12:54] <Kilos> does http://yr.no/ give the weather in veldtdrift
[12:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> no man, stop being so lazy!
[12:55] <Kilos> i go cast a weather eye out
[12:55] <Kilos> lol
[12:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> it will take you 5 seconds to find the answer to your question
[12:55] <Kilos> im tired man
[12:56] <Kilos> oh i looked there but didnt investigate further
[12:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> dan moet oom dalk 'n lekker middagslapie vang ;)
[12:57] <Kilos> i gotta go check weather and look for square dowel
[13:00] <Kilos> coming from the north west inetpro but very widespread already. broken every now and again
[13:01] <inetpro> hmm...
[13:01] <inetpro> dankie oom
[13:02] <Kilos> The search for Veldtdrift south africa returned 0 results
[13:02] <Kilos> We did not find any forecasts for places called Veldtdrift south africa on yr.no.
[13:02] <Kilos> np
[13:26] <Kilos> will need to watch this one inetpro , might be better to carry on and travel after storm
[13:26] <Kilos> kalefong getting it now
[13:27] <Kilos> unless you go now quick
[13:36] <Kilos> looks like its in town already
[13:39] <SilverCode> *sigh* jabber.co.za down again :(
[13:40] <Kilos> mine is still up SilverCode 
[13:40] <SilverCode> I can only imagine they are runnign the server off a raspberry pi that is powered off a cheap usb hub
[13:40] <SilverCode> Kilos: really?
[13:40] <Kilos> oh i use jabber.org
[13:40] <SilverCode> ah, that would be why then
[13:40] <SilverCode> jabber.co.za is going down on a daily basis
[13:40] <Kilos> eish
[13:40] <Kilos> i dont use many .co.za
[13:40] <SilverCode> I actually tried to register an account on jabber.org this morning in hopes of moving away from .co.za, but it looks like .org have stopped registrations
[13:41] <Kilos> even google
[13:41] <Kilos> then just use a gmail account
[13:42] <SilverCode> the thing I don't like about using GTalk/hangouts, is I can happily have a converstaion through pidgin, and then as soon as I leave the office and my phone goes onto 3G, I get a the entire converstaion flooding my phone
[13:43] <Kilos> June 25, 2013: We have temporarily disabled account registration at the jabber.org IM service while we migrate the account database to a new machine. 
[13:43] <Kilos> they will be open again
[13:44] <SilverCode> when though ... 25th June was quite a while ago
[13:44] <Kilos> you can create an account here in the meantime they say
[13:44] <Kilos> http://xmpp.net/
[13:47] <charl> very interesting Kilos 
[13:48] <Kilos> what?
[13:48] <charl> xmpp.net
[13:48] <charl> IM Observatory
[13:48] <charl> Testing the security of the Jabber/XMPP network.
[13:49] <Kilos> oh ya
[13:49] <charl> i run my own server using prosody
[13:49] <charl> i used to use swissjabber.ch
[13:49] <Kilos> ill get to running my own server again one day
[13:49] <charl> it doesn't *always* work but generally i found it to be very stable
[13:49] <charl> and besides, it is being run in switzerland, and switzerland has rigurous privacy laws
[13:49] <Kilos> jabber.org hasnt crashed with me yet
[13:50] <charl> also accessible via ipv6
[13:50] <Kilos> lots of the .co.za stuff aint good
[13:50] <Kilos> ipv6 would kill my pc
[13:50] <charl> maybe they are doing a half-effort of running it, not really a priority
[13:50] <charl> why would it kill your pc?
[13:50] <Kilos> nad psu"s are expensive
[13:50] <Kilos> cant do ipv6
[13:51] <Kilos> s/nad/and
[13:51] <charl> psu? power supply unit?
[13:51] <Kilos> ya
[13:51] <charl> what does power supply have to do with ipv6?
[13:51] <Kilos> already usint 2 to run 3 drives
[13:51] <Kilos> strain
[13:51] <Kilos> hehe
[13:51] <charl> ipv6 is networking, has absolutely nothing to do with power use
[13:52] <Kilos> like putting a ferrari engine in a uno
[13:52] <Kilos> whells cant keep up
[13:52] <Kilos> wheels
[13:52] <charl> neh ipv6 is not really less or more efficient than ipv4 afaik
[13:52] <Kilos> well lemme see
[13:52] <charl> on the one side, the address length is longer, but in many ways it is more efficient
[13:52] <Kilos> isnt a faster net mean the pc must work faster to keep up?
[13:53] <charl> i don't think that would have anything to do with it, i think the biggest bottleneck is still your connection to the isp
[13:53] <Kilos> i already have youtube buffering
[13:53] <charl> it does have implications for the isp though, for example ipv6 multicasting
[13:53] <charl> that is a HUGE advantage for life broadcasts
[13:54] <charl> *live
[13:54] <charl> fully replace the existing cable/over the air/satellite broadcast infrastructure with ip-based broadcast infrastructure
[13:55] <charl> i already watch all my tv through the internet, i don't even have a regular tv, only a 27 inch edge-lit led screen i attach to my laptop
[13:55] <charl> but that's in low quality though, not nearly 1080p hd
[13:55] <Kilos> maybe better for me with slow net. fast net means fast data usage
[13:55] <charl> i don't think ipv6 would radically impact your data use
[13:56] <charl> the question is when isps will start rolling it out
[13:56] <charl> at work we have had native ipv6 for ages but my cable provider at home is lagging behind
[13:56] <Kilos> they all trying to out do each other at the moment here
[13:56] <charl> comcast in the usa has actually been one of the front runners
[13:57] <charl> my biggest problem is i only have the option of one cable provider, called ziggo, with the only alternative being tele2 which completely sucks
[13:57] <charl> so i have to stick to ziggo regardless of what
[13:57] <charl> the only alternative is dsl and that is uber-slow, about 30mbps or something
[13:57] <Kilos> and mobile expensive?
[13:57] <Kilos> wow that is slow
[13:57] <Kilos> like edge 
[13:58] <Kilos> how do you watch tv at that speed
[13:58] <charl> youphone.nl is fairly cheap, but it's 3g/4g, which is also comparatively slow and they have a "fair use" policy on their unlimited data offering
[13:59] <Kilos> i get 3g up to 500mB/s when downloading
[13:59] <charl> what? how the heck do you manage that
[13:59] <Kilos> i dunno
[13:59] <charl> my ziggo cable connection (eurodocsis) is 150mbps
[14:00] <Kilos> told you okes other day got 63m in 2 mins
[14:00] <charl> are you sure you don't have mbps and kbps confused?
[14:00] <Kilos> nope the pro also checked
[14:00] <Kilos> i posted what aptitude told me
[14:00] <charl> sorry meeting bbl
[14:00] <Kilos> fetched so much in so long
[14:03] <Kilos> ai! 500kB/s
[14:21] <inetpro> Kilos: hoe lyk dinge nou daar? 
[14:22] <Kilos> storm dit nie in die dorp nie
[14:22] <Kilos> na jou huis is dinner wolke as in die dorp
[14:23] <inetpro> Kan nie sien in die kantoor nie
[14:23] <inetpro> kantoor kyk na binne 
[14:24] <Kilos> skoner na jou huis maar van hier lyk dit donker in die dorp
[14:24] <inetpro> ty
[14:24] <Kilos> yw
[15:20] <inetpro> Maaz: tell kilos am slightly wet but at home 
[15:20] <Maaz> inetpro: Got it, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[15:32] <charl> ok back
[16:43] <nuvolari> o/ yellaw
[16:43] <nuvolari> *yellow
[16:44] <Trixar_za> greenings
[16:47] <nuvolari> oh hi Trixar_za 
[18:45] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:45] <Kilos> power just came back and here comes next hail storm