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BobJonkman1#startmeeting Canadian Team IRC meeting in #ubuntu-ca Thursday, 28 November 201300:00
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BobJonkman1Hey everybody, we're on!00:00
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BobJonkman1Roll call: aruna jose dscassel laurelrusswurm1 RoddieKieley zul Neo31 FiReSTaRT oracology KombuchaKip jaguar Erthe sigint_ azend|vps_ navonod bregma DarwinSurvivor ryanakca cyphermox johanbr  jlamothe txwikinger cjpcjp azend that00:00
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joselet me ping my fellows00:00
BobJonkman1#topic Introductions00:00
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bregmahowdy all00:00
arunaHiya all00:01
BobJonkman1We've got a bunch of guests today, so let's start by introducing ourselves. Who are you, where are you from, and what exciting things do you do with Ubuntu?00:01
BobJonkman1#chair dscassel00:01
meetingologyCurrent chairs: BobJonkman1 dscassel00:01
joseso, who's going first?00:02
joseI think BobJonkman1 should :)00:02
BobJonkman1I'm Bob Jonkman from Elmira, Ontario, Canada (just a snowball's throw north of Waterloo). I'm one of the contacts for Ubuntu Canada00:02
Neo31Hello everybody00:02
BobJonkman1Hi dscassel, bregma, aruna, josa, Neo31!00:03
BobJonkman1s/josa/jose (oops)00:03
jose:)00:03
joseI'm José Antonio Rey, just a normal person doing normal things, point of contact at Ubuntu Peru and current member of the LoCo Council00:04
dscasselI'm Darcy in Waterloo Ontario and I guess I'm still a co-contact, although it's probably getting close to the time where I should step down considerately...00:04
BobJonkman1Agenda for those following along at home: hawkfromahandsaw00:04
BobJonkman1Nope.00:04
BobJonkman1Agenda here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Meetings/2013/2013-11-2800:04
arunaI'm Aruna from Toronto and I love python and javascript00:06
BobJonkman1Seems there's a holiday south of our border today, so guest attendance may not be as robust as I had hoped.00:07
Neo31I am Ahmed Sghaier aka Neo31, Ubuntu-TN (Tunisia) LoCo contact and I do most of the things with Ubuntu, but mostly interested in contributing to Ubuntu and Ubuntu Touch including Translation/Testing/Documentation/Development and promote it Tunisia.00:09
BobJonkman1Welcome, everybody!00:09
BobJonkman1I sat in on the LoCo Council meeting last week. The Ohio team leader, skellat, (Stephen Michael Skellat) happened to talk about promoting Ubuntu activities in Ohio, and I asked if the LoCo Council could help us with that too00:10
dscasselPesky American Thanksgiving.  At least stuff's on sale.00:10
BobJonkman1#link Here are the minutes from that LoCo Council meeting: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-11-19-20.07.html00:10
BobJonkman1The LoCo Council members and LoCo Team leaders across the globe have kindly offered to participate in today's Ubuntu-ca meeting00:11
BobJonkman1So, Yay Local Community!00:12
BobJonkman1Let's pop into the first Agenda item, which illustrates my concern00:12
BobJonkman1#topic Events00:12
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BobJonkman1Saucy Salamander was released in October00:13
BobJonkman1We had a great Ubuntu Global Jam in Kitchener, but as far as I know only Toronto had an Ubuntu Release party00:13
dscasselA confluence of events forced me to cancel the Kitchener party (at least my part in it).  Kwartzlab wasn't available any time I was.00:15
dscasselAnd even when I was, stuff came up.00:15
dscassel:/00:15
BobJonkman1Sadly, it seemed there was no interest to hold one in another venue. Kwartzlab has been great to Ubuntu-ca-kw (thanx, dscassel!) but I had hoped to hold a party even if Kwartzlab wasn't available00:17
dscasselI hope to make up for it for Trusty, but no guaratees, really.  It's hard for me to plan anything these days.00:17
BobJonkman1Likewise, we've been getting pretty good turnout for Ubuntu Hours in Kitchener, but there hasn't been much activity for the Waterloo Ubuntu Hour.00:18
BobJonkman1And even in Kitchener there was no Ubuntu Hour this month...00:19
dscasselMy hope with the Waterloo hour is we could get UW students.  But I never got around to advertising to students.  Now I can't even make it out regularly so... yeah.00:19
dscasselI'm fine with just having a Kitchener hour.  I enjoy it when I'm able to go. :)00:19
arunaWhy don't we ask Tyler to advocate ? I think he is at UW. I met him at the global jab in kithcner00:20
arunatypo oops dats global jam00:20
BobJonkman1I do like the social events. But I think most people consider Ubuntu Hours as technical events, no social events.00:20
arunawe can always integrate the social aspect say before or after the event ?00:21
BobJonkman1It was great to see so many people at the Ubuntu Global Jam, but it's a bit much to ask people from Toronto to come to KW for an hour (Toronto is about 130km from Kitchener Waterloo)00:22
dscasselThat is one of the challenges with LoCos in general.  Getting people to socialize around an operating system, in a way that's not just "make my computer work, please."00:22
josein my personal opinion, Ubuntu Hours are a mix between both of them, but mostly social - people get together for a drink or a snack00:22
arunaHell no I would not have mised that bus ride in a million years I wanted to BE there00:22
BobJonkman1And there are no Ubuntu Hours in Toronto.  Canada's largest city, and no Ubuntu users?00:23
dscasselIf you have a good core group, it works fine.  Figuring out how to grow it beyond the core or franchise it to other cities where teh core doesn't exist is tricky.00:23
BobJonkman1In my experience, every computer club meeting I go to (LUG, Cryptoparty &c.) always have a social part.  Either a get-together after the main meeting, or it's held at a social venue like a restaurant or coffeeshop.00:24
BobJonkman1So why so much trouble attracting people to Ubuntu?00:24
dscasselKWLUG has the social stuff as a side effect.  The main event is a talk about a Linux thing.00:25
dscasselPeople go to that and eventually get sucked into the social part.00:25
arunaThere are users ( I am one ) and I would set up a ubuntu hour but I need support and the hardest thing I have seen getting my friends to convert is they all think ubuntu is for techies. And most feel uncomfortable with the desktop we have in Gnome or Unity and I have tried with limited sucess00:25
BobJonkman1I've heard two conflicting theories: 1) Ubuntu is too niche, and there aren't enough people interested; 2) Ubuntu is too mainstream, and doesn't need a LUG00:26
joseso, what do you guys think about starting a virtual ubuntu hour for people in that zone?00:26
josemaybe a google+ hangout would work, just to have some geeky talk00:26
dscasselBob won't like that. :)00:26
* dscassel hinting that Bob is as Google-free as possible, on principle. 00:27
arunaToo niche ? Remeber Dell instaled ubuntu as the OS of choice on the laptop and then I dunno what went wrong00:27
BobJonkman1jose: Great idea, but I'd like to see it implemented with Free Software, preferable hosted on Ubuntu servers00:27
joseBobJonkman1: you can use any software you want, you name it00:27
BobJonkman1But yes, virtual meetings would really help in a place as big as Canada (5 1/2 time zones!)00:27
joseif you have enough audience then you can move on to have physical ubuntu hours, which would *then* have that level of attendance you wanted00:27
arunaI think thats a great idea jose00:27
BobJonkman1We're having a virtual meeting now; but is IRC too geeky/technical/oldfashioned?00:28
FiReSTaRTBobJonkman1: yep00:28
FiReSTaRTinvolves installing a client and no real IM capabilities00:28
FiReSTaRTif you wanna attract mainstream users to the desktop00:29
FiReSTaRTthe irc is a BAD platform00:29
BobJonkman1FiReSTaRT: So you want something that works in the browser00:29
Neo31FiReSTaRT, installing a client is an option00:29
dscasselIRC has its uses, but building a social community is... well, people do it, but to me it feels unnatural.00:29
joseI'd say video calls would make the thing more real00:29
Neo31in a browser : webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#ubuntu-ca00:29
FiReSTaRTBobJonkman1: java chat that connects to the irc is not a bad option but even then00:29
FiReSTaRTsome people might see it as too technical00:30
josehmm, googling 'open source video calls' returned jitsi.org00:30
FiReSTaRTjava *barf*00:30
BobJonkman1Neo31: And I advertise that URL in the e-mail reminders I send out, and it's on the Ubuntu-ca meetings page. Doesn't seem to draw folks in, though00:30
arunai like video calls too but we need to be mindful about bandwidth and network speed as some folks may not have the required bandwidth or speed such as say resource poor settings00:30
BobJonkman1Most video chats have audio-only fallback, and a text chat window too.00:31
FiReSTaRThow about a youtube channel?00:31
FiReSTaRTkeep the content very streamlined00:31
Neo31it's good to use social networks to promote your community to new people!00:31
FiReSTaRTand you can do youtube broadcasts with live commenting00:31
Neo31but concerning your event i wanted to know how many people do you want to have!?00:32
BobJonkman1But I think the text-only participants tend to get ignored when there's video for everyone else.00:32
dscasselBobJonkman1: What was that thing at FSOSS a couple years ago? Blue something?00:32
KombuchaKipBobJonkman1 & dscassel: Sorry I'm late. Hey folks, Kip here. Project lead behind Avaneya, a cerebral sci-fi for Ubuntu. www.avaneya.com00:32
Neo31BBB00:32
BobJonkman1dscassel: Big BLue Button00:32
Neo31big blue button ?00:32
josebigbluebutton.org00:33
dscasselYeah, that.00:33
dscasselAnyway, tools is probably something we should take offline.  It's easy to get sucked into that sort of discussion.00:34
BobJonkman1OK, seat-of-the-pants experiment.  I'm running Jitsi now.  Who can contact me with XMPP (Jabber protocol) at bjonkman@sobac.com  ? We should be able to set up a video link...00:34
joseI'll do it, let's keep moving with this :)00:35
* FiReSTaRT doesn't own a webcam lol00:35
FiReSTaRTwell i have a laptop with one but my wife is currently using it for when she does some contract work for me00:35
arunadownloading jitsi as well :-)00:37
BobJonkman1#action Schedule a video chat for Ubuntu Canada00:37
meetingologyACTION: Schedule a video chat for Ubuntu Canada00:37
BobJonkman1OK, that's something we'll give a try.00:38
arunaYaaaay... it's official we can see everybodeee now00:38
Neo31BobJonkman1, I honestly don't think Jitsi is a better solution than Google Hangout or Youtube!00:39
arunahangouts is gud00:39
Neo31if you are trying to reach new people and grow the community00:39
dscasselYeah, Bob. :)00:40
BobJonkman1Neo31: Fair enough. Personally, I'm partial to finding a Free Software solution.00:40
BobJonkman1But I realize we have to reach out to where the people are00:40
BobJonkman1And if they're already on Google Hangouts, then that's where we'll find them.00:40
Neo31hangout provides a Youtube broadcast that will be available for people who misses the event and it is easy for everybody to check00:41
Neo31that's it BobJonkman100:41
BobJonkman1But the same would apply to Facebook; does anyone recommend that?00:41
Neo31if the information itself is free and doesn't require privacy then Google is fine I think00:42
FiReSTaRTgoogle? privacy? lol00:42
FiReSTaRTwe have to make some sacrifices though00:42
Neo31and you should think more with the marketing mind to reach more people00:42
Neo31what's private about an event promoting Ubuntu?00:42
BobJonkman1Neo31: It's the requirement to load non-free software to make use of Google Hangouts that's holding me up00:43
Neo31I think the more people we can reach the better!00:43
Neo31i see BobJonkman1, convincing! it's a sacrifice00:44
Neo31i'm not sure if BBB can record a classroom!00:44
arunaLike bob said if we are to reach more folks we need to access them using what they use ? Over time we can show them what is possible with open source and alternatives  ? what is important is for us to start connecting with others00:44
Neo31I think that is possible, but it costs money if you can afford it!00:45
arunawhy can't we ask for funding  ? I dunno who though would be intereted in supporting00:46
arunaam willing to start pasting ubuntu posters all over Toronto00:46
BobJonkman1Anyway, I'll find a way to make video conferencing  happen for me.00:46
BobJonkman1Posters would be good00:47
arunaYeeeash :-)00:47
arunawhat we lack is advertising and marketing00:48
BobJonkman1I would say, find a place you like, maybe arrange with the owner/manager for a small group reservation, then put up the posters.00:48
arunagud idea and will do00:48
Neo31the main concern here is how to bring more people to ubuntu-ca right ? and more active and participating people! right ?00:49
BobJonkman1#action aruna to arrange, advertise and market an Ubuntu Hour Toronto00:49
arunawhy not inside city hall ? Then show them what ubuntu is and can do and ask for support00:49
meetingologyACTION: aruna to arrange, advertise and market an Ubuntu Hour Toronto00:49
arunaHeyyy hold on I need support00:50
BobJonkman1aruna: City Hall would be great! Would you try to book a room there, or just meet in the lobby?00:50
arunabook a room means lots of red-tape00:50
arunalobby IS a public space00:50
arunathey can't stop me00:50
aruna:-)00:50
BobJonkman1Neo31: Yes, trying to bring more people to Ubuntu, but just getting the existing Ubuntu users to come to community events.00:50
BobJonkman1First, there have to be community events, and Aruna is working on one of those now :)00:51
arunaWe should agree on a standard poster no  ? Or I fly by night  ?00:52
Neo31right00:52
dscasselNah.  Do your own thing.00:52
BobJonkman1aruna: There are probably some sample posters or other marketing materials on the Ubuntu Wiki.  I'll poke around after the meeting00:52
arunaOki darcy will follow my heart :-)00:52
BobJonkman1But this is a do-ocracy. Anything you *do* is good.00:53
arunaJose how have you tried to access people in Peru  ? What sort of posters if any do u guys use  ? How do u reach out ?00:54
josearuna: we usually post on Facebook, which has a great audience, and people invite us to physical events00:54
josethere's where we get most people involved, if any00:54
arunaI see, well we can easily duplicate that00:55
BobJonkman1So, should we set up an Ubuntu Canada Facebook page?00:55
arunaI think we shud00:55
Neo31don't you have any social network media un ubuntu-ca ?00:55
arunaummm.... not right now I don think so00:55
dscasselhttp://spreadubuntu.org/ has some, but I never find anything I like very much.00:55
Neo31I think facebook/twitter/Google+ and any social networking media is very important for marketing your events00:56
dscasselI have some Ubuntu Canada brand work sitting on my harddrive, but just using Ubuntu stuff is fine.00:56
dscasselWe have a Facebook group, but it's probably best to just let it die.  Facebook groups are useless.00:56
dscasselA page is okay.00:56
BobJonkman1Neo31: There's a Twitter account for UbuntuWaterloo, and the !Fediverse has the !Ubuntuca group: http://sn.jonkman.ca/group/ubuntuca00:56
BobJonkman1Also http://sn.jonkman.ca/group/ubuntu00:56
Neo31un ubuntu-tn we use the mailing list irc and launchpad only for community members, preparation organisation contact and stuff00:57
Neo31but for reaching people we have two techniques00:57
dscasselI've got twitter.com/UbuntuWaterloo.00:57
dscasselRather than setting up an UbuntuCanada one, I figure it's better to have them be city-focused.00:58
BobJonkman1Neo31: I'm not much good at Google/Facebook/Twitter00:58
Neo31if we are organizing the event and we want to reach as many people as possible we use every bit of social network possible00:58
Neo31and as many posters as possible00:58
dscasselI'm not sure what I'd say on @UbuntuCanada, besides retweeting @ubuntu and @jonobacon all the time.00:58
dscasselAnd people can just follow them.00:58
Neo31but generally social networks are viral and are good enough00:58
BobJonkman1dscassel: Certainly have a focus for each city with active Ubuntu people, but should there also be an umbrella Ubuntu-ca group/page ?00:59
Neo31our second technique is our university contacts00:59
dscasselTwitter doesn't have groups/pages in the sense you mean.00:59
Neo31we can actually step back and let our university club do the invitation/organisation and just provide some help00:59
dscasselI'm not stopping someone else from doing @UbuntuCanada. I just see it as having... limited usefulness.01:00
Neo31that is very effective as with time we have built a very good clubs network in the country01:00
BobJonkman1#action Discuss setting up Google+/Facebook/Twitter accounts for Ubuntu-ca and each City chapter, eg. Ubuntu-ca-kw, Ubuntu-ca-Toronto01:00
meetingologyACTION: Discuss setting up Google+/Facebook/Twitter accounts for Ubuntu-ca and each City chapter, eg. Ubuntu-ca-kw, Ubuntu-ca-Toronto01:00
BobJonkman1Neo31: I was just at some Computer Science Club lectures at the University of Toronto. There were maybe 10 people there, mostly Windows and Mac users.01:01
dscasselUbuntuCanada does have a Google+ page.  I've mostly abandoned it (like the rest of G+), though.  If someone wants to take it over, let me know.01:01
BobJonkman1I got the impression that University people are too busy to do anything social off-campus01:01
BobJonkman1And on-campus social events need a sponsor from the University (so it couldn't come from me, for example)01:02
dscasselYeah.  Any contacts I have at the UW computer science club have graduated.01:03
dscasselBut on-campus Ubuntu activity pretty much has to come from on-campus.01:03
BobJonkman1***I was at University of Waterloo lectures, not Toronto01:03
Neo31i agree dscassel, but if you have contacts you can push it a little bit01:04
dscasselUniversity students are really transient.  UW even more so, given their co-op program.01:04
arunaAhmed aka neo31 what do you feel ? Any suggestions please ?01:04
dscasselIt's hard to set up anything lasting.01:04
BobJonkman1I've got some contacts in the UofW CSClub now; I've invited them to our next KWLUG meeting. We can see how that goes as a template for Ubuntu activity01:05
Neo31I am not so sure of what I would recommend for ubuntu-ca as the country and culture may be a little bit different01:05
dscasselAnd we run into the same problem that we have trying to set up in other cities.  Someone might show up and say they're interested, but it's hard to get them to start anything.01:06
dscasselOr even communicate what a LoCo is and what they can do.01:06
Neo31but as far as i know based on my experience, afk meetings/activity/events are the best way to build a good community core, then you have to maintain it and extend it01:06
BobJonkman1#action Invite University Computer Club people to Ubuntu events01:07
meetingologyACTION: Invite University Computer Club people to Ubuntu events01:07
Neo31i agree with dscassel01:07
BobJonkman1Neo31: We've been having the events, but participation is dwindling.01:07
BobJonkman1And eventually the organizers become discouraged. The last few Ubuntu Hours in Waterloo was just me, and whatever family members I could convince to come.01:08
dscasselNot even Charles?01:09
CrankyOldBuggerdid I miss all the fun?01:09
dscasselCrankyOldBugger: we're still going. :)01:09
BobJonkman1Ubuntu Hours in Kitchener have been more successful than Ubuntu Hours in Waterloo.  Don't know why.01:09
CrankyOldBuggercool.  sorry I'm late01:09
Neo31how many ubuntu-ca active states do you have ? and what's the average members of every state ?01:09
BobJonkman1Hi CrankyOldBugger! Glad you could come. I'll post a summary and meeting logs when we're done01:09
dscasselKitchener works mostly because it's you and Charles dragging the Computer Recycling and KWLUG people out.01:10
BobJonkman1Neo31: There's an active group in Kitchener, but even the largest city in Canada, TOronto, hasn't had an active community. We've just seen some participation in Guelph (5 people), about 20 km from Kitchener.01:11
dscasselEvery once in a while Kitchener gets a new person.  I think they're promoted a bit more..01:11
Neo31so only Kitchener and Waterloo ?01:12
Neo31and Guelph01:12
BobJonkman1There's a group of 5-6 that meet in Mississauga. They started out as the Mississauga Ubuntu Meet Up (MUMU), but migrated away from Ubuntu so now they're just the Mississauga Linux User Group (about 60km from Kitchener)01:12
dscasselNeo31: Ubuntu Canada is mostly Ubuntu Kitchener-waterloo.  We had Ottawa, Toronto and Guelph at various times in the past.  (I think Verdi is still doing Guelph things, but I haven't heard from him in a while).01:13
dscasselIn Canada the country, there's also ubuntu Vancouver and Ubuntu Quebec (mostly Montreal), but tehy're separate organizations.01:13
BobJonkman1And there's KombuchaKip's group in Vancouver, about 5000km from Kitchener.  We don't hear much about them because their group is closed (on MeetUp)01:13
dscasselUbuntu Canada draw people from all over English-speaking Canada to our online resources (mailing list, IRC, etc.) But in person, it's pretty much Kitchener right now.01:14
KombuchaKipBobJonkman1: Kind of. It's actually open, but we don't like lurkers. We like people to register, come on in, and participate.01:14
BobJonkman1I think Aruna is about to add Toronto to the list of active cities01:14
dscasselHurray!01:15
Neo31good job aruna01:15
BobJonkman1Certainly the Ubuntu-ca mailing list is active, with maybe 15 people regularly posting01:15
arunaI am and will try but wud be nice if someone experienced like Kip is there to support01:15
Neo31may be you can build cooperation with groups like "Mississauga Linux User Group"01:16
BobJonkman1aruna: If you build it, I will come. Let me know when and where.01:16
arunaThank Bob and everyone else up in Kitchner I would not even be here right now if it wasn't for that eamil bob sent out by 'mistake'01:16
arunadone-deal !01:17
Neo31actually if you share the same interest and value or something like that it is a great opportunity to cooperate in events01:17
BobJonkman1That "mistake" was sending something to the Launchpad membership list. I should have done that for this IRC meeting too.01:17
Neo31or maybe invite other groups to some of your events01:18
BobJonkman1I've been to several MUMU/MLUG gatherings. It's just what I expect an Ubuntu Hour to be like. Sadly, they don't want to use the Ubuntu name any more.01:19
BobJonkman1But Victor, the founder of MUMU came to our Kitchener Ubuntu Hour last month, so there does exist good rapport between the groups01:19
Neo31the idea is if you use MUMU/MLUG + Ubuntu-CA on their event01:20
Neo31and the same on your event01:20
BobJonkman1Neo31: When I send out an e-mail about release parties and global jams I usually include the other LUGs that I'm a member of. But I don't want to look like I'm spamming their lists with Ubuntu propaganda01:21
Neo31well they will have their name on both events and the same for you01:21
Neo31then you will have more people to come to both events01:21
Neo31i am not sure but I guess involving more groups in a single event is good for all parties as long as they share the same values01:22
Neo31(FOSS)01:22
BobJonkman1#idea What about holding a cooperative event for all LUGs, like a Linuxfest? Would there be Canonical support for tthat?01:22
dscasselMLUG had one guy who was very anti-Ubuntu or something.  I don't know if he's still around.01:23
dscasselBut anyway... politics.01:23
arunawell am anti unity soo... long live gnome classic :)01:23
BobJonkman1Neo31: We did something  like that for Software Freedom Day. I used the UbuntuCanada LoCo portal to announce the event, it was held at Kwartzlab, the KWLUG people did a lot of work.01:23
BobJonkman1But it's generally the case that it's the same people in those different groups. So really, the same group.01:24
Neo31lol aruna I prefere KDE/awesome01:24
azenddscassel: I'm around but school is trying to sink me :)01:25
BobJonkman1dscassel: Yes, that one guy is still around (who wanted a corporate focus on Linux software for the MUMU group)01:25
dscasselazend: Yeah, it does that. :)01:25
BobJonkman1Hi azend!01:25
azendHi BobJonkman1!01:26
BobJonkman1OK, we've got some solid suggestions and two actual things were going to do.01:26
arunaAm thinking maybe post stuff in TTC and Subway too ?01:27
BobJonkman1I think it's been a very productive meeting!01:27
Neo31if the group leader is anti-ubuntu do not bother much of cooperating with that group as it is clear you do not share the same values, otherwise if he is just a member or that most of the group members this ubuntu shares the same values maybe you can still cooperate with them01:27
BobJonkman1aruna: Post stuff whereever you have permission to do so. Don't want to have Ubuntu-ca-Toronto fall afoul of local bylaws01:27
azendI'm a co-chair of the IEEE student branch at Conestoga College01:28
BobJonkman1Neo31: It wasn't the group leader, but still...01:28
arunahmmm..... so I get to put up posters inside don jail as well then bud :-001:28
azendI can put up some posters or something here too01:28
BobJonkman1aruna: LOL01:28
arunawill be careful bob, understand your concerns well01:28
Neo31azend, do you think your IEEE student branch might be interested with FOSS or Ubuntu ?01:29
azendYes but our school is a microsoft shop to its core01:29
Neo31ouch!01:30
azendI think the students here though may be a bit more open minded01:30
BobJonkman1azend: Microsoft sponsorship for the labs and such?01:30
azendSome of them I think yeah01:30
BobJonkman1Funny, at the UofW disk encryption lecture this week, Microsoft file systems were mentioned only as an afterthought. The focus was all ext and LUKS and such01:31
azendPretty much every tool I am forced to use is a microsoft exclusive tool which requires windows to run01:31
Neo31so that makes it impossible for the IEEE student branch to host any ubuntu/foss related events ?01:31
arunaSet up ONE desktop and teach the IEEE student branch01:31
arunathey fall in love like I did and then word spreads01:32
Neo31that's the idea aruna01:32
arunadoable ?01:32
Neo31you can also have an install party during the event where students gets assistance and support for installing Ubuntu in Dual Boot01:33
arunanice idea01:34
arunadivide dat partitoion and rule01:34
aruna:-)01:34
Neo31hhh01:34
Neo31last year we had only a Linux leader with two other students at a university, we gave him support and this year he runs a club with more than 10 active members01:35
BobJonkman1azend: Could you set up an event at the college? Perhaps with the venue sponsored by the IEEE Student Branch. I'll ask txwikinger for the Ubuntu banner, or maybe you could supply another cool poster01:35
arunawow that's progress01:35
Neo31another club started last year with 4 active members to attract more members, and they did impressive events organization01:36
Neo31this year they are the leader FOSS club in their city01:36
azendWe're sort of wrapping up for the semester but I can totally do something like this at the start of next semeser01:36
azendsemester01:36
BobJonkman1Having Ubuntu branded tchotkes (small giveaway items like buttons, keyrings, stickers) really helps attract attention.01:36
Neo31so maybe if you can get a good core group of 3 to 5 students in that university and you provide good support you'll have more supporters in a year01:37
dscasselUW depends on the faculty.  Math/CS is very Unix/Linux-focused (the main undergrad network is all Ubuntu) while Engineering, Arts, etc is all Windows.01:37
BobJonkman1Can Canonical provide those items to encourage newcomers?01:37
dscasselAlthough Engineering does have access to some Linux servers.01:37
BobJonkman1I really miss the disks, which I handed out at many different places (NaNoWriMo write-ins, Web Developer user groups, &c.01:38
azendMy friend and I are setting up a small server closet for the IEEE01:38
Neo31system76 provides stickers01:38
azendHosting some Ubuntu VMs shouldn't be a problem01:38
Neo31ubuntu provides loco packs for approved loco teams01:38
azendWe just need to make sure they get access to teh outside world01:38
Neo31250 dvds i guess01:38
Neo31and events packs01:38
Neo31with lanyards stickers01:39
Neo31two t-shirts and two caps01:39
dscasselYeah, we got one for Ontario Linux Fest a few years ago.01:39
dscassel(sadly defunct)01:40
Neo31you can get those resources at least once every release01:40
joseafaik, it's 150 Desktop DVDs, 25 Server CDs01:40
dscasselWaterloo Mini Maker Faire is coming back in June.  Probably a good opportunity to set up a table and get a conference pack.01:41
BobJonkman1Neo31: We've got     hakimsheriff distributing System76 stickers on request...01:41
BobJonkman1#action Get an Ubuntu Conference Pack for the Waterloo Mini Maker Faire01:41
meetingologyACTION: Get an Ubuntu Conference Pack for the Waterloo Mini Maker Faire01:41
Neo31it was great to join you meeting, nice to meet you ubuntu-ca members01:42
BobJonkman1dscassel: If we can get enough interest between KW, Toronto, Guelph and Mississauga, perhaps we can resurrect the Ontario GNU/Linuxfes01:42
BobJonkman1t01:42
Neo31I wish you luck improving your community01:42
* Neo31 has to leave, it's 2:40 am in Tunisia01:42
BobJonkman1Thank you for all your great advice, Neo31!01:42
BobJonkman1!tzaf  - Time Zone Appropriate Farewell!01:43
lubotu1BobJonkman1: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)01:43
dscasseltxwikinger was talking about that at one point.  Man, though, it's a lot of work.01:43
arunagud god its 2:40am in tunisisa01:43
BobJonkman1dscassel: And expensive if attendance isn't there.01:43
BobJonkman1OK, let's finish off.01:44
BobJonkman1#Other Topics01:44
BobJonkman1#topic Other Topics01:44
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Neo31please carry on BobJonkman1 just excuse me for leaving before it is done01:44
BobJonkman1np Neo31. Thanx for being here!01:44
arunathank u for participating Neo31 and thank u for all the great advice01:45
BobJonkman1So, anything else?01:45
BobJonkman1How's Saucy Salamander working out for everyone?01:46
arunayet to upgrade01:46
stephenw_some of us have already moved on to Trusty :)01:46
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BobJonkman1I've got Xubuntu 13.10 installed in a new partition, but right now I'm still running from 12.0401:47
BobJonkman1stephenw_ Brave man!01:47
BobJonkman1#subtopic Next meeting01:48
BobJonkman1I think we should skip an IRC meeting on the fourth Thursday in December. Too much partying going on at that time.01:49
BobJonkman1So, when shall we three (or more) meet again?01:49
BobJonkman1How about early January, and try to make it a Video Conference?01:50
arunasounds good to me01:50
BobJonkman1We could hold it at the same time as local Ubuntu Hours, so we can conference with each other between cities01:51
BobJonkman1But that might be difficult -- I always have trouble coordinating myself at Ubuntu Hours when there's also an IRC meeting happening01:51
BobJonkman1and Video might make that worse.01:51
arunaactually no, u can leave the video streaming and attend to buisness ?01:52
arunaunless there is a question ?01:52
BobJonkman1aruna: That would be OK, unless there are participants who can't manage the video. Don't want to make text-only participants second-class citizens01:53
arunathat was my original concern :-(01:53
arunaespecially folks not in north america01:53
BobJonkman1When jose and I tried a video link a few minutes ago, we couldn't get the sound to work. Too busy with the meeting. And you know about 32- and 64-bit compatibility issues :)01:54
arunayes I do :-)01:54
BobJonkman1So, how about a video meeting on Thursday, 23 January 2014 ?01:55
arunaso instead of doing off the pants maybe we shud have a system set up ready to go  ?01:55
dscasselI can make no promises, but tentatively, sure, I have no current conflicts.01:56
BobJonkman1We can discuss in the mailing list what software to use, and have a couple of Ubuntu Hours or installfests before so anyone who wants to participate can get it installed and working before the meeting01:56
arunaworks fo rme01:56
BobJonkman1#action next meeting: Video Conference on Thursday, 23 January 201401:57
meetingologyACTION: next meeting: Video Conference on Thursday, 23 January 201401:57
BobJonkman1So that's done.01:58
BobJonkman1#subtopics Final comments01:58
BobJonkman1My clock just cuckoo'd nine times, so we've been at this for two hours.01:59
BobJonkman1It was a wonderful, productive meeting!01:59
arunavery happy here01:59
BobJonkman1Thanx ever so much to all our guests and regular Ubuntu-ca members!02:00
BobJonkman1So, good night, everyone!02:01
BobJonkman1#endmeeting02:01
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BobJonkman1I'm going to have some dinner, so if anyone wants to pop the minutes into the agenda page, feel free!02:05
dscasselThanks, BobJonkman1  :)02:10
geniiApologies for not being able to make the meeting last night, I got an emergency call from work and had to rush in, didn't get out until almost midnight15:47
genii( one of the steam radiators in a unit snapped a pipe off of it and the whole floor was full of steam like a sauna and water everywhere which had to get cleaned up and emergency boiler service people called in for repairs )15:50

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