[20:30] <cid420> how was everybody thanksgiving
[20:30] <Unit193> Fairly good, just have the other side to do now.  You?
[20:31] <belkinsa> My was fine.
[20:31] <belkinsa> Yours?
[20:31] <cid420> crowded but fun
[20:31] <cid420> had a 25 ob turkey with a 10 lb ham, hope everybody has gotten there fill
[20:31] <cid420> lb turkey*
[20:32] <cid420> I love the left overs
[20:34] <cid420> damn dont you guys just love those Homemade Pies, now those are the best.
[20:34] <Unit193> Only one type of pie I really like.
[20:34] <cid420> which is
[20:34] <cid420> pumpkin?
[20:35] <Unit193> Aye.
[20:35] <Unit193> The magic pie.
[20:35] <cid420> mine is Mints meat pie
[20:35] <belkinsa> 3.14....?  For some reason I wanted to say that.  ;)
[20:35] <cid420> lol
[20:37] <Unit193> We also had "crack bread" a couple weeks ago for Thanksgiving, soooo good.  (Poppy seed bread)
[20:38] <cid420> that would be awesome
[20:38] <cid420> we had rolls
[20:38] <cid420> from the store
[20:40] <cid420> this year my mother in law made homemade crandberry sauce , licks his lips
[20:51] <skellat> I'm glad I wasn't traveling this weekend: http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/news/state/andrew-gans-of-kent-driver-in-deadly-125-mph-police-turnpike-chase-charged-with-vehicular-homicide
[20:51] <jenni> [ Andrew Gans of Kent, driver in deadly 125 mph police turnpike chase, charged with vehicular homicide ] - https://j.mp/1eH6I4D
[20:51] <belkinsa> Dang!  People are well, people.
[21:29] <cid420> i am running Ubuntu 12.04 on 4 boxes, 1 of them i am stumped, I know you not suppose to modifiy the resolve.conf file but some reason something is not allowing me to reach outside world. i keep getting not able to resolve host to www.google.com when i ping it
[21:30] <belkinsa> Ask in #ubuntu it's the support channel
[21:30] <Unit193> /etc/resolv.conf is generated by nm, you can edit it in there and it'll save.
[21:31] <Unit193> Try dig www.google.com  and see what you get, if it's not what it should be, try dig @8.8.8.8 www.google.com
[21:33] <cid420> Belkinsa - Question what is this group all about, since it seems you cannot ask a quesstion unless you have got another channel and ask there.. I thought we could ask them here. Just trying to understand, that is why i joined this group is one of it is getting answers on questions.
[21:34] <belkinsa> I understand but this a LoCo channel where there is some support,  #ubuntu is the main support channel
[21:35] <cid420> ok i found the problem. i had to change the interfaces address, it will nto allow me to keep the ip static when i changed it to dhcp i am able to dig and ping the outside world.
[21:37] <cid420> I understand, I am old style person when i join a group , you have experience folks that is willing to answering the questions, I understand the group is a LoCo. so you are saying i should ask all my questions in the Ubuntu channel from now on
[21:37] <Unit193> Should be able to set it to static, just need all the right info.  If you copy the info from  `nm-tool`  while connected configured as dhcp, it should connect fine.  You can also select "dhcp, addresses only" which permits you to set DNS still.
[21:37] <belkinsa> Not really, more like ask to both places...never mind.  Sorry for my behavor.
[21:38] <Unit193> Meh, I'm of the opinion that if it's not a question that'll take a ton of effort or time to do, may as well here.
[21:38] <Unit193> However, do not crosspost. :P
[21:38] <belkinsa> Okay
[21:38] <cid420> I will double check it.. the addresses
[21:38] <cid420> but it is a good idea to join that channel anyways.
[21:39] <Unit193> Perhaps, yes.  I'm not in it nor do I plan to be. :P
[21:40] <cid420> i agree, this is only a temporary for me.. i am an intermediate administrator something could come across i do not know .
[21:41] <Unit193> My router will assign the same IPs to MACs it's seen before, so I don't need to bother with that.  I could change the DNS in the router, but right now I have it set in the computers since I run a local bind9 T2.
[21:43] <cid420> i would like to run my nameservers, but obtaining 2 ips address is expensive. my local cable company is selling them for 10 bucks a mth. there is alot of things i want to do to these servers but i am held back
[21:43] <cid420> just 2 more servers and i can setup a cloud.
[21:44] <Unit193> I have one setup at a remote location, and one on my server.  I don't use the one on my server as a backup because it's a bit far away, but nevertheless.  None of mine are open resolvers, but a couple are the authority for an old domain.
[21:45] <cid420> not to shabby
[21:45] <cid420> ever trying and goto www.myhosting.com i see to find them really cheap on there VPS servers
[21:46] <Unit193> I also use a TLD that isn't used for internal purposes. :P (.go)
[21:46] <cid420> when i get the extra money i think i am going back to them
[21:46] <cid420> remind me what is TLD
[21:47] <Unit193> If you do set one up, might want to check on their DNS policy.  .com, .net, .org, or for me, .go.  My nameservers also serve the OpenNIC zones.
[21:47] <cid420> very nice
[21:48] <cid420> something to think about
[21:48] <Unit193> RoadRunner gives "fake" results like OpenDNS does, which is quite annoying if you ever use the terminal or generally, so of course I don't have anything like that.
[21:48] <Unit193> You can also use an OpenNIC dns server, don't have to set one up yourself.
[21:49] <cid420> true but I like to get my hands dirty
[21:50] <cid420> right i am deciding on setting Zpanel for my Webserver box. i am researching it
[21:51] <cid420> if anybody want to look into it. its www.zpanelcp.com
[21:55] <cid420> ok installing the zpanel it says in there documentations that you need to have a fresh install of ubuntu 10.04 and above no lamp install or dovecot an postfix. that is the heart of my emails for the loCo group
[21:56] <Unit193> Erm, they require 10.04, or they haven't updated their docs in a while?
[21:56] <cid420> yea it seems
[21:57] <cid420> just maybe it will work on 12.04 an no need to update the docs. i can try this on my develpment server since i dont know a lamp install on that one
[21:57] <cid420> know = have
[22:10] <cid420> unit193 when i installed the network-manager then type nm-tool i get this error
[22:10] <cid420> ** (process:17088): WARNING **: Could not initialize NMClient /org/freedesktop/NetworkManager: The name org.freedesktop.NetworkManager was not provided by any .service files
[22:11] <cid420> and this one
[22:11] <cid420> ** (process:6749): WARNING **: error: could not connect to NetworkManager
[22:12] <cid420> now when i installed it, i saw alot of gnome stuff being install, i dont that made any difference.
[22:14] <Unit193> ...What are you using?
[22:14] <cid420> what do you mean
[22:15] <cid420> I am trying to use the nm-tool
[22:15] <Unit193> Well, what desktop that you had to install it, I suppose I presumed you were using one of the stock flavors. :P
[22:16] <cid420> I dont have any desktops installed.
[22:16] <cid420> i have one in virtual mode
[22:16] <cid420> that is kubuntu
[22:17] <Unit193> Well, whoops.  `ifconfig` will then show you your IP, netmask, broadcast, and gateway.
[22:18] <cid420> true
[22:18] <cid420> i use that alot
[22:19] <cid420> is it a good idea to install desktops on the servers.. will that become unstable if i do
[22:19] <Unit193> http://paste.openstack.org/show/54194 is the output from nm-tool, about the same.
[22:19] <Unit193> I see no good reason to.
[22:19] <cid420> kk
[22:20] <Unit193> If so, do just a wm, not a de.
[22:21] <cid420> windowmaker?
[22:21] <cid420> not good with abbrevs
[22:22] <Unit193> Window Manager, not Desktop Env.  So, fluxbox, openbox, awesomewm rather than Xfce, LXDE, Gnome, KDE, etc.  I don't have any of those though. :)
[22:23] <cid420> ok i will look that
[22:24] <cid420> is it minimal to use 6 computers to use cloud, or can you go fewer like four?
[22:25] <Unit193> What do you mean?  Are you looking at something like LTSP or somesuch?
[22:25] <Unit193> (http://unit193.ninth.su/openbox/openbox-desktop.png is an example openbox shot.)
[22:27] <cid420> I want to setup a cloud using openstack
[22:28] <cid420> Unit193 - one thing about desktops i am not very well verse on getting programs working into them. LOL
[22:31] <Unit193> I have never used openstack. :D
[22:32] <cid420> which one do you use
[22:35] <Unit193> I don't.
[22:35] <cid420> ok
[22:36] <Unit193> I don't have a cluster exactly, I generally manually assign different tasks to different ones.
[22:36] <Unit193> "Manually" that is.
[22:39] <cid420> oh you are that good :)
[22:40] <cid420> ok #ubuntu doesnt impress me
[22:41] <cid420> do you use webmin?
[22:43] <Unit193> No, that one isn't recommended.  And I never said I was good. :D
[22:51] <cid420> would one would you recommend then since webmin isnt good
[22:52] <Unit193> I can't remember what the recommended replacement was. :/
[22:52] <cid420> is it ispconfig?
[22:56] <cid420> or Ebox
[22:59] <cid420> here is one http://www.zentyal.org
[22:59] <jenni> [ Zentyal, the Linux Small Business Server ] - https://j.mp/1eHptVx
[23:00] <cid420> lol
[23:02] <Unit193> That's the one, IIRC.
[23:03] <cid420> ok it is showing as a server, is there onlyu a web service like webmin you connect through a web browser
[23:06] <Unit193> Well huh, it's in the repos of course but it seems to be showing as modules, weird.
[23:08] <cid420> yea i am seeing it too.. i have add each individual module at a time if i want
[23:09] <Unit193> So, nevermind.
[23:09] <cid420> i am already in the middle of installing it..
[23:09] <cid420> i will mess with it
[23:10] <Unit193> Hah, well alrighty.  Have fun.
[23:10] <cid420> well i foun d you can install of them at onces./
[23:11] <cid420> this command
[23:11] <cid420> sudo apt-get install zentyal-all
[23:13] <cid420> lol it doesnt provide a default login and password to get in
[23:15] <cid420> nevermind i found it lol
[23:15] <cid420> you use your own login account and password
[23:18] <cid420> oh i am likinbg this one
[23:18] <cid420> you can install all the modules inside zentyal
[23:19] <cid420> ok i'll shutup now.. LOL
[23:56] <cid420> reminder to myself do not install zentyal on a slow webserver.. it screwed everything up. cannot login through ssh, or get into my emails, nothing looks like i am going to redo everything and put it on my bigger system.