[04:49] <kbmonkey> morning
[04:57] <nuvolari> o/ aloha kbmonkey 
[04:57] <kbmonkey> aloha nuvolari !
[04:58] <kbmonkey> you know it is one of those days, when you wake up 2 hours before your alarm - you wake it up for a change! haha
[04:59] <kbmonkey> is it Thursday today?
[04:59] <kbmonkey> noes, it is Firday!
[05:07] <Kilos> good morning all. from a nice wet pretoria
[05:07] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey 
[05:08] <kbmonkey> hello Kilos 
[05:08] <Kilos> massive hail storm broke 1 windows and the rain gauge at 60mm so couldnt see how much fell
[05:08] <kbmonkey> nuvolari, I just realised my laptop has a windows logo on it's one button! 
[05:08] <kbmonkey> I need to get it off asap
[05:08] <Kilos> then i emptied it and a second hail storm and another 8mm rain
[05:09] <Kilos> lol
[05:09] <kbmonkey> sjoe Kilos ! I saw your message from last night that the hail was coming
[05:09] <Kilos> tippex
[05:09] <kbmonkey> the udometer tops at 60mm and it filled up?!
[05:09] <Kilos> still patches of hail lying around
[05:10] <Kilos> its one of those plastic upside down cones
[05:10] <Kilos> big chip from 60mm to the top broken out
[05:10] <kbmonkey> sjoe Kilos that is a lot
[05:10] <Kilos> yeah cloud burst
[05:11] <kbmonkey> ah okay
[05:11] <kbmonkey> cars were sheltered okay?
[05:11] <Kilos> used to show to 200 i think
[05:11] <Kilos> will try find thew piece today
[05:11] <Kilos> ya cars sleep under roof
[05:11] <kbmonkey> thats good
[05:12] <Kilos> fruit trees stripped of leaves and fruit
[05:12] <Kilos> but we thankful for the rain
[05:13] <Kilos> now the weeds will flourish
[05:13]  * Kilos wonders how things are by inetpro 
[05:20] <kbmonkey> lo, yeah now the weeds are going to grow *big*
[05:24] <Kilos> lol
[05:27] <kbmonkey> Kilos, if you cut a plastic bottle in half and put the top half upside-down into the lower half, you can make a new rain guage!
[05:27] <Kilos> it wont be acurate
[05:27] <kbmonkey> lol
[05:28] <Kilos> ill look for the missing piece, could find it in the hail last night, everything was white
[05:28] <kbmonkey> like the snow
[05:29] <Kilos> yeah and just as cold
[05:29] <Kilos> never saw hail like this in durbs
[05:30] <kbmonkey> ja does not hail here much
[05:30] <kbmonkey> more in maritzburg and midlands
[05:30] <Kilos> yeah
[05:30] <Kilos> you well lad?
[05:30] <kbmonkey> seen some heavy downfall in howick 
[05:31] <kbmonkey> and past there, past tweedy, and kloof
[05:31] <kbmonkey> use to drive there each day
[05:31] <kbmonkey> on the farm. on bad wet days bakkie got stuck in the mud
[05:32] <kbmonkey> and get the tractor to come pull us out
[05:32] <kbmonkey> it was great
[05:32] <Kilos> hahaha
[05:35] <Kilos> that guy with jdk probs needs to install from here methinks kbmonkey 
[05:35] <Kilos> http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/
[05:36] <Kilos> rusty the bear
[05:37] <Kilos> i think it installs jdk as well
[05:39] <kbmonkey> no, that does *not* install jdk. that is not even *java*, that is flash. lol
[05:40] <Kilos> oh is that al
[05:40] <Kilos> all
[05:41] <kbmonkey> yup. how did that link come about?
[05:41] <kbmonkey> I been using m.gmail.com lately
[05:42] <kbmonkey> mobile mail site. much faster
[05:42] <Kilos> my browsers wouldnt open stuff till i had installed oracle-java-something
[05:43] <Kilos> oracle-java7-installer
[05:43] <Kilos> then even opera worked
[05:46] <Kilos> http://fermi.la.asu.edu/ccli/applets/yagi/yagi.html button at the beginning wouldnt work till id installed oracle
[05:50] <kbmonkey> right Ill be back Kilos - work time
[05:50] <kbmonkey> have a good day friend
[05:55] <Kilos> you too kbmonkey 
[05:55] <Kilos> hi bduk 
[05:56] <bduk> Morning Kilos and everyone
[06:18] <Kilos> hi smilyborg mazal 
[06:18] <Kilos> ohi sakhi 
[06:18] <mazal> More oom
[06:18] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:18] <inetpro> Kilos: that was two massive storms
[06:20] <inetpro> lot's of hail in the later storm and power knocked out
[06:21] <smilyborg> Morning Kilos
[06:21] <Kilos> yeah inetpro how was the hail by you?
[06:21] <smilyborg> morning inetpro
[06:21] <Kilos> our big hail was first storm
[06:22] <Kilos> at least you got home before the hail. was a bit big for a biker to go through
[06:22] <inetpro> lot's of small hail in the 2nd storm, the first storm had just a bit of hail by my side
[06:23] <Kilos> ill post an image
[06:24] <inetpro> I wish I had a gopro or something like that, that storm looked incredible as it came over the mountain
[06:24] <inetpro> like one massive wave
[06:25] <inetpro> didn't want to loose time by stopping to take a photo
[06:25] <inetpro> but I wish I could have captured it
[06:27] <Kilos> http://imageshack.us/content_round.php?page=done&l=img28/5684/frlt.jpg
[06:27] <Kilos> those bounced off the grass onto front veranda
[06:28] <Kilos> even broke a large lounge window
[06:30] <inetpro> Kilos: wow!
[06:31] <Kilos> aw i forgot to try the shutter thing
[06:31] <Kilos> sigh
[06:32] <Kilos> oh and broke the rain gauge above 60mm so didnt get an acurate reading
[06:33] <inetpro> we had 35mm
[06:33] <Kilos> for once we beat you
[06:33] <Kilos> we we we
[06:33] <Kilos> 60+ then 8 with secong hail storm
[06:34] <Kilos> s/secong/second
[07:46] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[07:47] <Vince-0> !
[08:19] <Kilos> hmm... inetpro dit kom weer
[08:24] <inetpro> Kilos: weer 'n groot storm?
[08:25] <Kilos> besig om in te kom van die noorde net soos gister
[08:25] <inetpro> sjoe
[09:11] <Kilos> eish, this place and its power cuts
[09:36] <Kilos> Maaz, wb
[09:36] <Maaz> Thank you so much Kilos my good good friend
[10:12] <nuvolari> oh hi oom Kilos 
[10:12] <Kilos> hi nuvolari 
[10:27] <Vince-0> nuvolari, !
[11:04] <charl> good afternoon
[11:04] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[11:04]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[11:04] <charl> hi Kilos, nuvolari, Vince-0 
[11:04] <Kilos> hi charl 
[11:04] <charl> how's it going Kilos 
[11:05] <Kilos> ok ty and you
[11:05] <Kilos> my spped is up to 500kB/s noy mB/s
[11:05] <Kilos> s/noy/not
[11:06] <Kilos> mind was stupid yesterday
[11:07] <Vince-0> what's up? Its Fraaday
[11:08] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[11:09] <inetpro> Kilos: you are lucky to have power
[11:09] <inetpro> been without power at home since last night
[11:10] <Kilos> wow inetpro still no power?
[11:10] <Kilos> ours came back at 5am
[11:18] <inetpro> Kilos: nope, still off
[11:18] <inetpro> they tell me the Woolmer power station is still down 
[11:18] <Kilos> ai!
[11:19] <inetpro> not sure whether we get power from there
[11:19] <inetpro> previously when that was down ours was up
[11:19] <Kilos> sjoe, was a serious storm hey
[11:20] <inetpro> sounds like they are spinning me a story again, though I don't blame them this time, with that storm
[11:20] <inetpro> was massive
[11:36] <charl> Kilos: i'm good thanks
[11:37] <charl> Kilos: 500mbps is about the realistic throughput i have on my desktop at work locally over gigabit ethernet and then through fibreglass upstream
[11:38] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[11:38] <Maaz> charl: Okay :-)
[12:17] <charl> wb Kilos 
[12:18] <Kilos-> sigh
[12:19] <Kilos-> just now my whole system will be an orphan inode
[12:19] <Kilos-> hi superfly 
[12:20] <superfly> hi Kilos-
[12:44] <mazal> Bye everyone , enjoy your weekend
[13:14] <Kilos-> nearly weekend guys, be strong
[13:36] <inetpro> Kilos-: you have a tail
[13:36] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[13:36]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[13:40] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for inetpro!
[13:41] <inetpro> Maaz: dankie
[13:41] <Maaz> Groot plesier inetpro my vriend
[13:55] <Kilos-> ty inetpro 
[13:55] <Kilos> aw no coffee for me
[13:56] <Kilos> inetpro, weather cleared lots. will be tonight latish if it comes again
[13:56] <inetpro> Kilos: hoe lyk dinge daar buite? Ek sien sonskyn hier buite
[13:56] <inetpro> ah
[13:57] <Kilos> you got power there at home yet?
[13:57] <inetpro> nope
[13:59] <Kilos> sjoe you got gas stove and light?
[14:00] <Kilos> rev them
[14:02] <Kilos> inetpro, are you classed as tswane?
[14:03] <Kilos> customercare@tswane.gov.za
[14:04] <Kilos> 012 358 9999
[14:05] <Kilos> and check if your neighbour is also powerless
[14:13] <inetpro> Kilos: eish! That storm caused lots of damage
[14:13] <Kilos> where else?
[14:14] <inetpro> some colleagues reporting that they are lucky to be alive
[14:14] <Kilos> wow what happened
[14:14] <inetpro> many homes without roofs
[14:14] <Kilos> oh my
[14:14] <Kilos> what area
[14:16] <inetpro> Kilos: what bugs me most is that the Tshwane SMS line is kaputt by the looks of things
[14:16] <Kilos> fone them
[14:16] <Kilos> and email
[14:16] <Kilos> 012 358 9999
[14:17] <inetpro> I reported at 22:42 last night via SMS
[14:17] <Kilos> ai!
[14:17] <inetpro> got through eventually via phone at 12:45
[14:17] <inetpro> now my call is in late
[14:17] <inetpro> according to them
[14:18] <inetpro> they have a number of backlogs
[14:18] <inetpro> so next time I know that we can't rely on the SMS line
[14:19] <inetpro> need a human person to give you a ref number
[14:19] <Kilos> ai!
[14:20] <inetpro> can't believe how we have to struggle like this with such modern technologies
[14:20] <Kilos> mail their ceo's office
[14:20] <inetpro> you think it will help?
[14:20] <Kilos> you good at finding things
[14:21] <Kilos> yes he revs them from the top
[14:21] <Kilos> even fone and ask to talk to him
[14:21] <inetpro> I mailed customer care and don't even get a automated response let alone a human response
[14:21] <Kilos> ah that sometimes comes hours later
[14:21] <Kilos> fone him
[14:22] <Kilos> say no pap tonight
[14:24] <inetpro> I have work to dammit 
[14:25] <Kilos> ai!
[14:27] <inetpro> Kilos: Apparently many homes in Shoshanguve are without roofs
[14:27] <inetpro> are badly damaged
[14:27] <inetpro> s/are/or/
[14:28] <inetpro> it's that same storm that went over my house
[14:28] <inetpro> and over yours
[14:28] <inetpro> all the way from Randburg
[14:28] <Kilos> whew
[14:28] <Kilos> so we lucky then
[14:32] <inetpro> eish!
[14:33] <inetpro> read https://www.facebook.com/CityOfTshwane
[14:33] <inetpro> looks like we will have to be very patient
[14:34] <inetpro> "...It is anticipated that the power will be restored within three days maximum due to the towers having to be reconstructed and power to be restored..."
[14:35] <Kilos> wow
[14:35] <Kilos> where you see that on the page
[14:35] <inetpro> that was earlier 
[14:35] <inetpro> https://www.facebook.com/CityOfTshwane/posts/581984098539350
[14:36] <Kilos> ah
[14:39] <Kilos> looks like its building from the southwest again
[14:39] <Kilos> but slowly
[14:41] <inetpro> perhaps we should come up with a public fault reporting system that can handle the load more properly for them so they can focus on fixing things rather than wasting time on a broken fault reporting system
[14:42] <Kilos> the fault reporting is done by IT guys
[14:43] <Kilos> repairs i mean
[14:47] <inetpro> Kilos: the City of Tshwane call centre seems to me to be very very inefficient 
[14:48] <inetpro> but maybe it is just my perception
[14:48] <Kilos> yes so no complaints get past along to the right peeps to fix them
[14:48] <inetpro> perhaps we just don't grasp the volume that goes through the system
[14:49] <Kilos> remember i had probs with all the power cuts till i mailed the ceo's office and or got him on twitter
[14:49] <Kilos> then they even came and cut trees along the line
[14:49] <Kilos> no its a lackadasical attitude
[14:50] <Kilos> whew
[14:50] <Kilos> Maaz, spell lacksadasical
[14:50] <Maaz> Kilos: That doesn't seem correct, but I can't find anything to suggest
[14:50] <Kilos> hehe
[14:51] <Kilos> laksadasical
[14:51] <Kilos> Maaz, spell laksadasical
[14:51] <Maaz> Kilos: That doesn't seem correct, but I can't find anything to suggest
[14:52] <Kilos> ai!anyway however its spelled it means slapgat
[14:52] <inetpro> lackadaisical
[14:52] <inetpro> feeling or showing a lack of interest or enthusiasm 
[14:53] <Kilos> ya
[14:53] <Kilos> Maaz, spell lackadaisical
[14:53] <Maaz> Kilos: Looks good to me
[14:53] <Kilos> yay
[14:53] <inetpro> :-)
[14:54] <inetpro> what ceo did you email?
[14:54] <Kilos> aw i didnt even do my weekly smileys
[14:54] <Kilos> city of tswane
[14:55] <Kilos> i think i got him on twitter too but he didnt answer , the next morning their office mailed me
[14:55] <inetpro> The City Manager?
[14:55] <Kilos> it had to be passed from  department to department and i got all the mails
[14:55] <Kilos> um
[14:56] <Kilos> whew 2 years back man
[14:56] <inetpro> Jason Ngobeni?
[14:56] <Kilos> mail him or tweet him
[14:56] <inetpro> or the Executive Mayor?
[14:57] <Kilos> maybe
[14:57] <Kilos> i told you back then
[14:57] <Kilos> the boss
[14:57] <inetpro> ai!
[14:57] <inetpro> it's a mega city man
[14:58] <Kilos> whats that
[14:59] <inetpro> there's no ceo like vodacom
[14:59] <Kilos> well tweet @JasonNgobeni
[15:00] <Kilos> and look for mail addies maybe here
[15:00] <Kilos> http://www.tshwane.gov.za/AboutTshwane/CityManagement/OfficeofCityManager/Pages/Key-Staff--Listing.aspx
[15:01] <Kilos> lemme go boot to maverick. if i have the mail addy it will be there
[15:05] <Kilos> ai! i deleted all the mails here
[15:05] <Kilos> will go look at gmail
[15:13] <Kilos> google sick too 
[15:14] <Kilos> cant get to google.com
[15:14] <Kilos> grrr
[15:14] <Kilos> i go back to unity
[16:06] <Kilos> hi Private_User Xethron 
[16:07] <Kilos> inetpro, i only see that same support addy
[16:14] <Private_User> hey Kilos
[17:43] <kbmonkey> evening 0/
[17:43] <Kilos> yo my monkey
[17:43] <kbmonkey> hello oom!
[17:43] <kbmonkey> phew that was a long day!
[17:43] <Kilos> hey
[17:43] <kbmonkey> even got some gym in
[17:44] <Kilos> good
[17:44] <kbmonkey> yes
[17:46] <psychicist> evening kbmonkey 
[17:46] <psychicist> hi Kilos 
[17:46] <psychicist> hi tinuva 
[17:46] <psychicist> brb
[17:47] <kbmonkey> hi psychicist 
[17:48] <Kilos> hi tinuva psychicist 
[17:51] <Kilos> eish kbmonkey did you see, the pro could be without power for 3 days
[17:52] <Kilos> thats a major suck methinks
[17:54] <kbmonkey> eina that is nasty kilos! things in the fridge will have to get eaten!
[17:54] <Kilos> yeah and freezer stuff will be lost if not moved to another one soon
[17:55] <Kilos> and cold bath
[17:55] <Kilos> eeeek
[17:55] <kbmonkey> why is that happening?
[17:55] <Kilos> major storms here last night
[17:56] <Kilos> lotsa damage
[17:56] <kbmonkey> wow!
[17:56] <kbmonkey> I did not know the pro was nearby you
[17:57] <Kilos> about 20 ks i think
[17:57] <Kilos> maybe less if you a crow
[18:01] <Kilos> he wont give me his co-ords
[18:01] <Kilos> scared i nuke him
[18:04] <kbmonkey> ja you probably can too!
[18:04] <Kilos> haha
[18:04] <kbmonkey> or build a super powered radio antenna and fry his brain
[18:05] <Kilos> no shame he helped me too much
[18:08] <kbmonkey> ja I know
[18:12] <Kilos> hi not_found sorry didnt see you sneak in
[18:58] <inetpro> Yay! 
[18:58]  * inetpro has the power again
[18:58] <inetpro> Good evening
[19:00] <inetpro> Kilos: slaap jy al?
[19:01] <inetpro> kbmonkey: eh, how goes it?
[19:02] <kbmonkey> hi inetpro - it goes well man. and there?
[19:03] <kbmonkey> had a long day, woke up early, worked, went to gym, and now relaxing with a beer. magic times!
[19:03] <inetpro> nice!
[19:03] <kbmonkey> ja - trying to build up some weight ;)
[19:06] <inetpro> Kilos: I sent an email to citymanager@tshwane.gov.za earlier, hoping that he will respond in due time
[19:06] <Kilos> oyay
[19:07] <Kilos> lol i wonder if he made them work harder inetpro ?
[19:08] <Kilos> so no cold bath tonight. i bet the family is happy
[19:08] <inetpro> of course :-) 
[19:09] <kbmonkey> oh that is good to hear!
[19:09] <kbmonkey> you know I really enjoyed our open discussion we had at the meeting
[19:09] <Kilos> yeah
[19:10] <inetpro> kbmonkey: you want another one like that?
[19:10] <kbmonkey> we should try get together this monday eve to do the same - unoffical and not recorded by maaz
[19:10] <inetpro> we can announce them any time
[19:10] <kbmonkey> maybe for december - see how it goes
[19:10] <Kilos> hey i wanna rock the boat again
[19:10] <kbmonkey> yeah, any time actually
[19:11] <kbmonkey> cos with the normal meetings it seems not enough talking happens
[19:11] <Kilos> if we move away from mondays maia can join us
[19:11] <kbmonkey> but when people think its open for discussion, things happen
[19:11] <kbmonkey> Oh really? that would be nice to have her again
[19:11] <inetpro> well you can even talk now, though it's always best to have people to listen as well
[19:12] <Kilos> inetpro, are you listening
[19:12] <inetpro> Kilos: obviously
[19:12] <Kilos> you didnt shoot me down
[19:12] <kbmonkey> lol
[19:12] <kbmonkey> I bought a subscription to the new linux voice magazine!
[19:13] <inetpro> Kilos: call maia now and tell her to talk to us
[19:13] <Kilos> how do i call her now?
[19:13] <inetpro> don't you have super cow powers?
[19:13] <Kilos> i think she said mondays and thursdays are out for her
[19:13] <kbmonkey> lol!
[19:13] <Kilos> rofl
[19:13] <kbmonkey> apt-get moo
[19:14] <Kilos> first inetpro are you prepared for us to change the day then ill tell maia
[19:14] <inetpro> Kilos: no
[19:14] <Kilos> see
[19:15] <inetpro> :)
[19:15] <Kilos> what do you do tuesday nights
[19:15] <kbmonkey> keep the official meeting unchanged. lets just try have a friendly get together
[19:15] <inetpro> Kilos: remember superfly said he can't make it on Tuesdays
[19:15] <Kilos> ok wed
[19:15] <kbmonkey> ^ good
[19:16] <inetpro> let's be honest, we can't just change the date and time randomly as we please, not good to do that
[19:16] <kbmonkey> nope
[19:16] <Kilos> we ahve so far without any hassles
[19:16] <inetpro> we need to have predictable long term schedules
[19:16] <Kilos> yes lets try wednesday at 8.30pm
[19:16] <Kilos> for a year
[19:16] <kbmonkey> I'd say cycle it each week - but now that can get confusing!
[19:17] <kbmonkey> (for the unofficial meets)
[19:17] <Kilos> the first week was also a prob for someone on monday
[19:17] <kbmonkey> get a good idea of who is on which days
[19:17] <inetpro> Kilos: yes, we are still a small group, so impact is not huge, but if we want to grow we need to be predictable
[19:18] <inetpro> I would say, put it on the Agenda 
[19:18] <Kilos> then we gotta change before we grow
[19:18] <Kilos> ya thats a good idea
[19:18] <kbmonkey> tops
[19:18] <Kilos> normally the stalwarts are at meets
[19:18] <inetpro> but at the same time, I say, let's have regular informal open discussions
[19:18] <Kilos> yes that too
[19:18] <Kilos> about weather
[19:18] <kbmonkey> I dare say most people are likely to be avail on sunday evenings
[19:19] <inetpro> kbmonkey: I doubt
[19:19] <kbmonkey> yes Kilos you can tell us about the big hail
[19:19] <Kilos> lol
[19:19] <Kilos> i posted a link to the hail here
[19:19] <Kilos> ask the prob he scrolls back good
[19:19] <kbmonkey> pictures?
[19:20] <Kilos> ya one
[19:20] <kbmonkey> I got a log I can grep
[19:20] <Kilos> taken here by me with old nokia
[19:20] <kbmonkey> I will search
[19:20] <Kilos> its on imageshack
[19:20] <inetpro> we can even have scheduled discussions inside working hours for those who want them
[19:20] <kbmonkey> on the shell account :)
[19:20] <kbmonkey> good idea that
[19:20] <inetpro> we just can't expect for everyone to be present at all times
[19:21] <Kilos> http://imageshack.us/content_round.php?page=done&l=img28/5684/frlt.jpg
[19:22] <kbmonkey> that is big hail Kilos !
[19:22] <Kilos> yeah
[19:22] <inetpro> kbmonkey: get a topic, we announce it on twitter and G+ and open the floor at specific times
[19:22] <kbmonkey> just found it in the log
[19:22] <Kilos> some were bigger
[19:22] <kbmonkey> sjoe those will knock you sore on the noggin
[19:22] <Kilos> i just took what bounces from grass to veranda
[19:22] <inetpro> we have lots of followers on g+ already
[19:23] <kbmonkey> I dont use g+ anymore - too slow :(
[19:23] <kbmonkey> their redesign did not help us slow pokes - 
[19:23] <inetpro> kbmonkey: irc is IMHO still the best platform for group discussions
[19:23] <kbmonkey> but yes that is a good idea inetpro !
[19:24] <kbmonkey> as long as there is other people using it I approve!
[19:24] <kbmonkey> *are
[19:24] <inetpro> so what do you want to discuss first?
[19:25] <Kilos> g+ tweetshop and list reaches lotsa peeps
[19:25] <Kilos> even though some class invites as spam
[19:25] <kbmonkey> no ideas for topics yet
[19:26] <kbmonkey> I llike how people bring their own
[19:26] <kbmonkey> byot
[19:27] <inetpro> kbmonkey: you mean byod?
[19:28] <Kilos> hi Trixar_za 
[19:28] <inetpro> kbmonkey: Bring your own device (BYOD)
[19:28] <Trixar_za> Hey Kilos
[19:29] <inetpro> Trixar_za: wb
[19:29] <Trixar_za> Thanks inetpro
[19:29] <inetpro> oh BYOD also called bring your own technology (BYOT), bring your own phone (BYOP), and bring your own PC (BYOPC)
[19:30] <kbmonkey> Bring your own topic ;)
[19:30]  * inetpro didn't even realise that
[19:30] <kbmonkey> every time on the laptop I start to setup cone mail user agent, but always get so distracted, lol!
[19:31] <Trixar_za> So I discovered there's a guy near me that calls himself a hacker. Mind you, I've had an arguement, while in my early teens, about history with this guy before who was in his 20s at the time. Turns out he's just a Security Penetration Expert.
[19:31] <Trixar_za> That's not a hacker. That's more a half-arsed cracker.
[19:31] <inetpro> kbmonkey: ok, I get you, so we just open the floor entirely?
[19:31] <Trixar_za> I can already tell that I'm going to argue with him again
[19:31] <inetpro> kbmonkey: you're welcome to do that at any point
[19:32] <kbmonkey> I suppose so inetpro - at this time I am empty for topics. plus it kept the talk rolling.
[19:32] <kbmonkey> like how one brnach is weak, but many branches are stronger
[19:33] <kbmonkey> hehe yes that sounds about right Trixar_za :P
[19:34] <kbmonkey> also a hacker follows a methodology to self-learn a system or device, and not go to school to be told these things.
[19:34] <kbmonkey> its more a philosphy on approach, and not specific knowledge
[19:34] <inetpro> Kilos: did you see that I answered Mike Green via @ubuntuza ?
[19:35] <Kilos> nope i havent gone on there
[19:35] <Kilos> who is he
[19:35] <Kilos> choqok is on kde and thats got no place here
[19:35] <inetpro> see https://twitter.com/nitibob/status/406333898965417984
[19:36] <Trixar_za> I follow Raymond's definition of a hacker. He's not even a hacker's ass - not even a larval stage hacker like most crackers either
[19:37] <Kilos> whew get him here
[19:37] <Kilos> we teach him quick
[19:37]  * inetpro agrees with Trixar_za about esr's definition of a hacker
[19:38] <Trixar_za> He should call himself a security penetration expert or an security consultant. Not a hacker.
[19:38] <inetpro> good reading -->> How To Become A Hacker http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html
[19:38] <Trixar_za> computer security consultant*
[19:38] <Trixar_za> to avoid confusion :P
[19:40] <Trixar_za> Oh a nice word I just discovered for it
[19:40] <Trixar_za> It's a misname to call what he does hacking
[19:40] <Trixar_za> :P
[19:44] <Kilos> inetpro, did he post on ubuntuza
[19:44] <Kilos> how did you answer him from there
[19:44] <Kilos> yo Mezenir 
[19:44] <Kilos> or is he a follower
[19:45] <Trixar_za> Generally I feel anything that can be taught and done using some pre-written tool isn't really hard to begin with :/ I prefer something challenging like programming something from scratch or something
[19:45] <Mezenir> hey kilos
[19:45] <Mezenir> hi all
[19:45] <Mezenir> how goes
[19:45] <Kilos> good ty and you
[19:45] <kbmonkey> ah thanks for that link inetpro - hey it is updated very recently
[19:45] <Mezenir> good thanks
[19:46] <kbmonkey> also a very nice read I go back to is http://www.cryptonomicon.com/beginning.html
[19:47] <Kilos> inetpro, always remember in its not your own boat you are rocking then rock from the top
[19:47] <inetpro> Kilos: he got retweeted by JoziLUG who is one of my followers
[19:47] <Kilos> aha
[19:47] <kbmonkey> ahahaha
[19:47] <Kilos> we actually need to do some advertising
[19:48] <kbmonkey> that logo of the dots in that hacker-howto is a pattern/lifeform from the game of life
[19:48] <Kilos> learning linux from a working os like ubuntu is in every ones reach i think
[19:48] <kbmonkey> it is a symbol for geek :]
[19:49] <kbmonkey> I believe it is called the "glider" lifeform
[19:50] <kbmonkey> the hacker emblem, yes that's it!
[19:50] <charl> good evening
[19:50] <Trixar_za> Yes kbmonkey, it's the glider
[19:51] <Kilos> kbmonkey, what link you looking at
[19:51] <Kilos> catb one?
[19:51] <Trixar_za> Playing with math models is fun. I'm using a midi program that does fractal based music generation too
[19:51] <kbmonkey> the one the pro gave Kilos 
[19:51] <Trixar_za> http://www.trixarian.net/music/
[19:52] <Kilos> whew that a page back already
[19:52] <Trixar_za> All of them generated in that way
[19:52] <kbmonkey> oh that is neat Trixar_za !
[19:53] <kbmonkey> I've been making music in milkytracker - its not generated though, its all sweat work
[19:53] <Trixar_za> I still want to learn how to use a tracker properly
[19:54] <Trixar_za> While fractal generation is fun, it does end up repeating itself eventually
[19:54] <Trixar_za> On the up side, I bet you could use it to generate the initial tones needed for instruments in a tracker
[19:55] <inetpro> btw, how can I make a podcast like feed from a lot of mp3 audio files in a folder on a web server?
[19:56] <Trixar_za> podcast feed? I just figured out that browsers like firefox and chrome play ogg files with streaming, so I started to use that format instead of mp3
[19:56] <charl> inetpro: you *should* be able to generate an rss or atom feed very simply using python and just a directory listing
[19:56] <inetpro> charl: a few years ago I did a RSS feed script like that with perl
[19:57] <kbmonkey> a track for a game I am making Trixar_za (15kb) https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18686471/mods/kbmonkey-moonbase_attack.xm
[19:57] <inetpro> ideally it would be nice to give the users a front-end interface where they fill in the details with an upload function
[19:58] <Trixar_za> I'm actually looking through modarchive.org for a future music I can use with a visual novel
[19:58] <charl> inetpro: i have been checking this out but i haven't used it yet http://lkiesow.github.io/python-feedgen/
[19:59] <kbmonkey> Trixar_za, I am always willing to collaborate - as far as my skills can take me of course 
[20:01] <Trixar_za> kbmonkey: Nice chiptune you got there
[20:02] <kbmonkey> I can link you a page with more of other styles - that one is very game specifc
[20:02] <Trixar_za> I've been on somewhat of radix binge myself since I heard yuki satellite @ http://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=167157
[20:02] <Trixar_za> Mind you, it's a 15MB xm file
[20:02] <Trixar_za> Compresses to under 4MB as a mp3
[20:03] <inetpro> charl: thanks for the link, will check it out 
[20:03] <charl> np, it looks dead simple
[20:04] <charl> if you need help, just shout
[20:04] <inetpro> charl: sure thing, sadly simple might just not be good enough
[20:04] <kbmonkey> Trixar_za, http://tinyurl.com/kbmonk
[20:05] <charl> inetpro: i guess the biggest thing is, you want titles for each file, unless you can derive that off the file name
[20:05] <kbmonkey> Ill take a listen to yuki satellites
[20:05] <charl> inetpro: considering you already know the url from the file name and the date from the last modified date
[20:05] <Trixar_za> Btw kbmonkey, any good guides on learning how to use a tracker?
[20:05] <kbmonkey> that sure is a large file XD
[20:06] <inetpro> charl: that is the problem here, the information is not in the file
[20:06] <Kilos> night guys. sleep tight
[20:06] <Kilos> crash time
[20:06] <kbmonkey> I create all samples using the draw tool, so my songs are usually very very tiny
[20:06] <Kilos> see you tomorrow 
[20:06] <inetpro> at lest not all of it
[20:06] <kbmonkey> gn Kilos 
[20:06] <inetpro> Kilos: good night
[20:07] <Trixar_za> kbmonkey: Yeah, I was surprised too. I downloaded most of it before I realized how big it was. The song ended up being worth it
[20:07] <kbmonkey> Trixar_za, I have not found much of good guides to be honest! most of it is by loading up other peoples mods and looking at how they did things. like reading code I guess.
[20:07] <kbmonkey> however on youtube is some tutorials by stormblast, those are pretty good to start
[20:08] <Trixar_za> I figured. Most of the time I'm just using pure ear mixing. There is also a big gap between midi and solmire converted instrumental mixes like the mp3 and ogg files are
[20:09] <kbmonkey> also, look up anything by strobe - those are visually stunning as the tracks are assembled to give a visual feedback type effect. it is just crazy.
[20:10] <Trixar_za> kbmonkey: http://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_profile&query=69549 ?
[20:12] <kbmonkey> yes, that strobe
[20:12] <kbmonkey> of course I meant playing in milkytracker so you see the visual effects
[20:13] <kbmonkey> see tawnythegnome for example
[20:15] <kbmonkey> 
[20:18] <kbmonkey> folks the day and gym caught up with me - Im off for soem R&R
[20:23] <Trixar_za> Night kbmonkey
[20:23] <Trixar_za> And yeah, I downloaded milkytracker just for strobe's tracks
[20:30] <Trixar_za> Ok, that was pretty awesome to see
[20:33] <Trixar_za> Maaz, tell kbmonkey to check out http://trixarian.net/atrk-bu2.zip to my experimentation with auto-trackering
[20:33] <Maaz> Trixar_za: Okay, I'll tell kbmonkey on freenode
[20:37] <Trixar_za> Hmm, that's not my lastest code for it - let's update it
[20:37] <Trixar_za> :P
[20:37] <inetpro> kbmonkey: shall I announce an open discussion for Monday evening at 20:30? eg: Join us for an open discussion on Monday evening at 20:30 - 21:30 and feel free to bring your own topic
[20:38] <inetpro> kbmonkey: are you willing to run the show? I do think it should be somewhat controlled like our meeting the other day
[20:40] <inetpro> oops, and I didn't even notice that he called it a day... good night kbmonkey