[04:49] morning [04:57] o/ aloha kbmonkey [04:57] aloha nuvolari ! [04:58] you know it is one of those days, when you wake up 2 hours before your alarm - you wake it up for a change! haha [04:59] is it Thursday today? [04:59] noes, it is Firday! [05:07] good morning all. from a nice wet pretoria [05:07] hi kbmonkey [05:08] hello Kilos [05:08] massive hail storm broke 1 windows and the rain gauge at 60mm so couldnt see how much fell [05:08] nuvolari, I just realised my laptop has a windows logo on it's one button! [05:08] I need to get it off asap [05:08] then i emptied it and a second hail storm and another 8mm rain [05:09] lol [05:09] sjoe Kilos ! I saw your message from last night that the hail was coming [05:09] tippex [05:09] the udometer tops at 60mm and it filled up?! [05:09] still patches of hail lying around [05:10] its one of those plastic upside down cones [05:10] big chip from 60mm to the top broken out [05:10] sjoe Kilos that is a lot [05:10] yeah cloud burst [05:11] ah okay [05:11] cars were sheltered okay? [05:11] used to show to 200 i think [05:11] will try find thew piece today [05:11] ya cars sleep under roof [05:11] thats good [05:12] fruit trees stripped of leaves and fruit [05:12] but we thankful for the rain [05:13] now the weeds will flourish [05:13] * Kilos wonders how things are by inetpro [05:20] lo, yeah now the weeds are going to grow *big* [05:24] lol [05:27] Kilos, if you cut a plastic bottle in half and put the top half upside-down into the lower half, you can make a new rain guage! [05:27] it wont be acurate [05:27] lol [05:28] ill look for the missing piece, could find it in the hail last night, everything was white [05:28] like the snow [05:29] yeah and just as cold [05:29] never saw hail like this in durbs [05:30] ja does not hail here much [05:30] more in maritzburg and midlands [05:30] yeah [05:30] you well lad? [05:30] seen some heavy downfall in howick [05:31] and past there, past tweedy, and kloof [05:31] use to drive there each day [05:31] on the farm. on bad wet days bakkie got stuck in the mud [05:32] and get the tractor to come pull us out [05:32] it was great [05:32] hahaha [05:35] that guy with jdk probs needs to install from here methinks kbmonkey [05:35] http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/ [05:36] rusty the bear [05:37] i think it installs jdk as well [05:39] no, that does *not* install jdk. that is not even *java*, that is flash. lol [05:40] oh is that al [05:40] all [05:41] yup. how did that link come about? [05:41] I been using m.gmail.com lately [05:42] mobile mail site. much faster [05:42] my browsers wouldnt open stuff till i had installed oracle-java-something [05:43] oracle-java7-installer [05:43] then even opera worked [05:46] http://fermi.la.asu.edu/ccli/applets/yagi/yagi.html button at the beginning wouldnt work till id installed oracle [05:50] right Ill be back Kilos - work time [05:50] have a good day friend [05:55] you too kbmonkey [05:55] hi bduk [05:56] Morning Kilos and everyone [06:18] hi smilyborg mazal [06:18] ohi sakhi [06:18] More oom [06:18] good mornings [06:18] Kilos: that was two massive storms [06:20] lot's of hail in the later storm and power knocked out [06:21] Morning Kilos [06:21] yeah inetpro how was the hail by you? [06:21] morning inetpro [06:21] our big hail was first storm [06:22] at least you got home before the hail. was a bit big for a biker to go through [06:22] lot's of small hail in the 2nd storm, the first storm had just a bit of hail by my side [06:23] ill post an image [06:24] I wish I had a gopro or something like that, that storm looked incredible as it came over the mountain [06:24] like one massive wave [06:25] didn't want to loose time by stopping to take a photo [06:25] but I wish I could have captured it [06:27] http://imageshack.us/content_round.php?page=done&l=img28/5684/frlt.jpg [06:27] those bounced off the grass onto front veranda [06:28] even broke a large lounge window [06:30] Kilos: wow! [06:31] aw i forgot to try the shutter thing [06:31] sigh [06:32] oh and broke the rain gauge above 60mm so didnt get an acurate reading [06:33] we had 35mm [06:33] for once we beat you [06:33] we we we [06:33] 60+ then 8 with secong hail storm [06:34] s/secong/second [07:46] hi Vince-0 [07:47] ! [08:19] hmm... inetpro dit kom weer [08:24] Kilos: weer 'n groot storm? [08:25] besig om in te kom van die noorde net soos gister [08:25] sjoe [09:11] eish, this place and its power cuts [09:36] Maaz, wb [09:36] Thank you so much Kilos my good good friend [10:12] oh hi oom Kilos [10:12] hi nuvolari [10:27] nuvolari, ! [11:04] good afternoon [11:04] Maaz: coffee on [11:04] * Maaz flips the salt-timer [11:04] hi Kilos, nuvolari, Vince-0 [11:04] hi charl [11:04] how's it going Kilos [11:05] ok ty and you [11:05] my spped is up to 500kB/s noy mB/s [11:05] s/noy/not [11:06] mind was stupid yesterday [11:07] what's up? Its Fraaday [11:08] Coffee's ready for charl! [11:09] Kilos: you are lucky to have power [11:09] been without power at home since last night [11:10] wow inetpro still no power? [11:10] ours came back at 5am [11:18] Kilos: nope, still off [11:18] they tell me the Woolmer power station is still down [11:18] ai! [11:19] not sure whether we get power from there [11:19] previously when that was down ours was up [11:19] sjoe, was a serious storm hey [11:20] sounds like they are spinning me a story again, though I don't blame them this time, with that storm [11:20] was massive [11:36] Kilos: i'm good thanks [11:37] Kilos: 500mbps is about the realistic throughput i have on my desktop at work locally over gigabit ethernet and then through fibreglass upstream [11:38] Maaz: thanks [11:38] charl: Okay :-) [12:17] wb Kilos [12:18] sigh [12:19] just now my whole system will be an orphan inode [12:19] hi superfly [12:20] hi Kilos- [12:44] Bye everyone , enjoy your weekend [13:14] nearly weekend guys, be strong [13:36] Kilos-: you have a tail [13:36] Maaz: coffee on [13:36] * Maaz puts the kettle on [13:40] Coffee's ready for inetpro! [13:41] Maaz: dankie [13:41] Groot plesier inetpro my vriend [13:55] ty inetpro === Kilos- is now known as Kilos [13:55] aw no coffee for me [13:56] inetpro, weather cleared lots. will be tonight latish if it comes again [13:56] Kilos: hoe lyk dinge daar buite? Ek sien sonskyn hier buite [13:56] ah [13:57] you got power there at home yet? [13:57] nope [13:59] sjoe you got gas stove and light? [14:00] rev them [14:02] inetpro, are you classed as tswane? [14:03] customercare@tswane.gov.za [14:04] 012 358 9999 [14:05] and check if your neighbour is also powerless [14:13] Kilos: eish! That storm caused lots of damage [14:13] where else? [14:14] some colleagues reporting that they are lucky to be alive [14:14] wow what happened [14:14] many homes without roofs [14:14] oh my [14:14] what area [14:16] Kilos: what bugs me most is that the Tshwane SMS line is kaputt by the looks of things [14:16] fone them [14:16] and email [14:16] 012 358 9999 [14:17] I reported at 22:42 last night via SMS [14:17] ai! [14:17] got through eventually via phone at 12:45 [14:17] now my call is in late [14:17] according to them [14:18] they have a number of backlogs [14:18] so next time I know that we can't rely on the SMS line [14:19] need a human person to give you a ref number [14:19] ai! [14:20] can't believe how we have to struggle like this with such modern technologies [14:20] mail their ceo's office [14:20] you think it will help? [14:20] you good at finding things [14:21] yes he revs them from the top [14:21] even fone and ask to talk to him [14:21] I mailed customer care and don't even get a automated response let alone a human response [14:21] ah that sometimes comes hours later [14:21] fone him [14:22] say no pap tonight [14:24] I have work to dammit [14:25] ai! [14:27] Kilos: Apparently many homes in Shoshanguve are without roofs [14:27] are badly damaged [14:27] s/are/or/ [14:28] it's that same storm that went over my house [14:28] and over yours [14:28] all the way from Randburg [14:28] whew [14:28] so we lucky then [14:32] eish! [14:33] read https://www.facebook.com/CityOfTshwane [14:33] looks like we will have to be very patient [14:34] "...It is anticipated that the power will be restored within three days maximum due to the towers having to be reconstructed and power to be restored..." [14:35] wow [14:35] where you see that on the page [14:35] that was earlier [14:35] https://www.facebook.com/CityOfTshwane/posts/581984098539350 [14:36] ah [14:39] looks like its building from the southwest again [14:39] but slowly [14:41] perhaps we should come up with a public fault reporting system that can handle the load more properly for them so they can focus on fixing things rather than wasting time on a broken fault reporting system [14:42] the fault reporting is done by IT guys [14:43] repairs i mean [14:47] Kilos: the City of Tshwane call centre seems to me to be very very inefficient [14:48] but maybe it is just my perception [14:48] yes so no complaints get past along to the right peeps to fix them [14:48] perhaps we just don't grasp the volume that goes through the system [14:49] remember i had probs with all the power cuts till i mailed the ceo's office and or got him on twitter [14:49] then they even came and cut trees along the line [14:49] no its a lackadasical attitude [14:50] whew [14:50] Maaz, spell lacksadasical [14:50] Kilos: That doesn't seem correct, but I can't find anything to suggest [14:50] hehe [14:51] laksadasical [14:51] Maaz, spell laksadasical [14:51] Kilos: That doesn't seem correct, but I can't find anything to suggest [14:52] ai!anyway however its spelled it means slapgat [14:52] lackadaisical [14:52] feeling or showing a lack of interest or enthusiasm [14:53] ya [14:53] Maaz, spell lackadaisical [14:53] Kilos: Looks good to me [14:53] yay [14:53] :-) [14:54] what ceo did you email? [14:54] aw i didnt even do my weekly smileys [14:54] city of tswane [14:55] i think i got him on twitter too but he didnt answer , the next morning their office mailed me [14:55] The City Manager? [14:55] it had to be passed from department to department and i got all the mails [14:55] um [14:56] whew 2 years back man [14:56] Jason Ngobeni? [14:56] mail him or tweet him [14:56] or the Executive Mayor? [14:57] maybe [14:57] i told you back then [14:57] the boss [14:57] ai! [14:57] it's a mega city man [14:58] whats that [14:59] there's no ceo like vodacom [14:59] well tweet @JasonNgobeni [15:00] and look for mail addies maybe here [15:00] http://www.tshwane.gov.za/AboutTshwane/CityManagement/OfficeofCityManager/Pages/Key-Staff--Listing.aspx [15:01] lemme go boot to maverick. if i have the mail addy it will be there [15:05] ai! i deleted all the mails here [15:05] will go look at gmail [15:13] google sick too [15:14] cant get to google.com [15:14] grrr [15:14] i go back to unity [16:06] hi Private_User Xethron [16:07] inetpro, i only see that same support addy [16:14] hey Kilos [17:43] evening 0/ [17:43] yo my monkey [17:43] hello oom! [17:43] phew that was a long day! [17:43] hey [17:43] even got some gym in [17:44] good [17:44] yes [17:46] evening kbmonkey [17:46] hi Kilos [17:46] hi tinuva [17:46] brb [17:47] hi psychicist [17:48] hi tinuva psychicist [17:51] eish kbmonkey did you see, the pro could be without power for 3 days [17:52] thats a major suck methinks [17:54] eina that is nasty kilos! things in the fridge will have to get eaten! [17:54] yeah and freezer stuff will be lost if not moved to another one soon [17:55] and cold bath [17:55] eeeek [17:55] why is that happening? [17:55] major storms here last night [17:56] lotsa damage [17:56] wow! [17:56] I did not know the pro was nearby you [17:57] about 20 ks i think [17:57] maybe less if you a crow [18:01] he wont give me his co-ords [18:01] scared i nuke him [18:04] ja you probably can too! [18:04] haha [18:04] or build a super powered radio antenna and fry his brain [18:05] no shame he helped me too much [18:08] ja I know [18:12] hi not_found sorry didnt see you sneak in [18:58] Yay! [18:58] * inetpro has the power again [18:58] Good evening [19:00] Kilos: slaap jy al? [19:01] kbmonkey: eh, how goes it? [19:02] hi inetpro - it goes well man. and there? [19:03] had a long day, woke up early, worked, went to gym, and now relaxing with a beer. magic times! [19:03] nice! [19:03] ja - trying to build up some weight ;) [19:06] Kilos: I sent an email to citymanager@tshwane.gov.za earlier, hoping that he will respond in due time [19:06] oyay [19:07] lol i wonder if he made them work harder inetpro ? [19:08] so no cold bath tonight. i bet the family is happy [19:08] of course :-) [19:09] oh that is good to hear! [19:09] you know I really enjoyed our open discussion we had at the meeting [19:09] yeah [19:10] kbmonkey: you want another one like that? [19:10] we should try get together this monday eve to do the same - unoffical and not recorded by maaz [19:10] we can announce them any time [19:10] maybe for december - see how it goes [19:10] hey i wanna rock the boat again [19:10] yeah, any time actually [19:11] cos with the normal meetings it seems not enough talking happens [19:11] if we move away from mondays maia can join us [19:11] but when people think its open for discussion, things happen [19:11] Oh really? that would be nice to have her again [19:11] well you can even talk now, though it's always best to have people to listen as well [19:12] inetpro, are you listening [19:12] Kilos: obviously [19:12] you didnt shoot me down [19:12] lol [19:12] I bought a subscription to the new linux voice magazine! [19:13] Kilos: call maia now and tell her to talk to us [19:13] how do i call her now? [19:13] don't you have super cow powers? [19:13] i think she said mondays and thursdays are out for her [19:13] lol! [19:13] rofl [19:13] apt-get moo [19:14] first inetpro are you prepared for us to change the day then ill tell maia [19:14] Kilos: no [19:14] see [19:15] :) [19:15] what do you do tuesday nights [19:15] keep the official meeting unchanged. lets just try have a friendly get together [19:15] Kilos: remember superfly said he can't make it on Tuesdays [19:15] ok wed [19:15] ^ good [19:16] let's be honest, we can't just change the date and time randomly as we please, not good to do that [19:16] nope [19:16] we ahve so far without any hassles [19:16] we need to have predictable long term schedules [19:16] yes lets try wednesday at 8.30pm [19:16] for a year [19:16] I'd say cycle it each week - but now that can get confusing! [19:17] (for the unofficial meets) [19:17] the first week was also a prob for someone on monday [19:17] get a good idea of who is on which days [19:17] Kilos: yes, we are still a small group, so impact is not huge, but if we want to grow we need to be predictable [19:18] I would say, put it on the Agenda [19:18] then we gotta change before we grow [19:18] ya thats a good idea [19:18] tops [19:18] normally the stalwarts are at meets [19:18] but at the same time, I say, let's have regular informal open discussions [19:18] yes that too [19:18] about weather [19:18] I dare say most people are likely to be avail on sunday evenings [19:19] kbmonkey: I doubt [19:19] yes Kilos you can tell us about the big hail [19:19] lol [19:19] i posted a link to the hail here [19:19] ask the prob he scrolls back good [19:19] pictures? [19:20] ya one [19:20] I got a log I can grep [19:20] taken here by me with old nokia [19:20] I will search [19:20] its on imageshack [19:20] we can even have scheduled discussions inside working hours for those who want them [19:20] on the shell account :) [19:20] good idea that [19:20] we just can't expect for everyone to be present at all times [19:21] http://imageshack.us/content_round.php?page=done&l=img28/5684/frlt.jpg [19:22] that is big hail Kilos ! [19:22] yeah [19:22] kbmonkey: get a topic, we announce it on twitter and G+ and open the floor at specific times [19:22] just found it in the log [19:22] some were bigger [19:22] sjoe those will knock you sore on the noggin [19:22] i just took what bounces from grass to veranda [19:22] we have lots of followers on g+ already [19:23] I dont use g+ anymore - too slow :( [19:23] their redesign did not help us slow pokes - [19:23] kbmonkey: irc is IMHO still the best platform for group discussions [19:23] but yes that is a good idea inetpro ! [19:24] as long as there is other people using it I approve! [19:24] *are [19:24] so what do you want to discuss first? [19:25] g+ tweetshop and list reaches lotsa peeps [19:25] even though some class invites as spam [19:25] no ideas for topics yet [19:26] I llike how people bring their own [19:26] byot === Arcanum_za is now known as Trixar_za [19:27] kbmonkey: you mean byod? [19:28] hi Trixar_za [19:28] kbmonkey: Bring your own device (BYOD) [19:28] Hey Kilos [19:29] Trixar_za: wb [19:29] Thanks inetpro [19:29] oh BYOD also called bring your own technology (BYOT), bring your own phone (BYOP), and bring your own PC (BYOPC) [19:30] Bring your own topic ;) [19:30] * inetpro didn't even realise that [19:30] every time on the laptop I start to setup cone mail user agent, but always get so distracted, lol! [19:31] So I discovered there's a guy near me that calls himself a hacker. Mind you, I've had an arguement, while in my early teens, about history with this guy before who was in his 20s at the time. Turns out he's just a Security Penetration Expert. [19:31] That's not a hacker. That's more a half-arsed cracker. [19:31] kbmonkey: ok, I get you, so we just open the floor entirely? [19:31] I can already tell that I'm going to argue with him again [19:31] kbmonkey: you're welcome to do that at any point [19:32] I suppose so inetpro - at this time I am empty for topics. plus it kept the talk rolling. [19:32] like how one brnach is weak, but many branches are stronger [19:33] hehe yes that sounds about right Trixar_za :P [19:34] also a hacker follows a methodology to self-learn a system or device, and not go to school to be told these things. [19:34] its more a philosphy on approach, and not specific knowledge [19:34] Kilos: did you see that I answered Mike Green via @ubuntuza ? [19:35] nope i havent gone on there [19:35] who is he [19:35] choqok is on kde and thats got no place here [19:35] see https://twitter.com/nitibob/status/406333898965417984 [19:36] I follow Raymond's definition of a hacker. He's not even a hacker's ass - not even a larval stage hacker like most crackers either [19:37] whew get him here [19:37] we teach him quick [19:37] * inetpro agrees with Trixar_za about esr's definition of a hacker [19:38] He should call himself a security penetration expert or an security consultant. Not a hacker. [19:38] good reading -->> How To Become A Hacker http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html [19:38] computer security consultant* [19:38] to avoid confusion :P [19:40] Oh a nice word I just discovered for it [19:40] It's a misname to call what he does hacking [19:40] :P [19:44] inetpro, did he post on ubuntuza [19:44] how did you answer him from there [19:44] yo Mezenir [19:44] or is he a follower [19:45] Generally I feel anything that can be taught and done using some pre-written tool isn't really hard to begin with :/ I prefer something challenging like programming something from scratch or something [19:45] hey kilos [19:45] hi all [19:45] how goes [19:45] good ty and you [19:45] ah thanks for that link inetpro - hey it is updated very recently [19:45] good thanks [19:46] also a very nice read I go back to is http://www.cryptonomicon.com/beginning.html [19:47] inetpro, always remember in its not your own boat you are rocking then rock from the top [19:47] Kilos: he got retweeted by JoziLUG who is one of my followers [19:47] aha [19:47] ahahaha [19:47] we actually need to do some advertising [19:48] that logo of the dots in that hacker-howto is a pattern/lifeform from the game of life [19:48] learning linux from a working os like ubuntu is in every ones reach i think [19:48] it is a symbol for geek :] [19:49] I believe it is called the "glider" lifeform [19:50] the hacker emblem, yes that's it! [19:50] good evening [19:50] Yes kbmonkey, it's the glider [19:51] kbmonkey, what link you looking at [19:51] catb one? [19:51] Playing with math models is fun. I'm using a midi program that does fractal based music generation too [19:51] the one the pro gave Kilos [19:51] http://www.trixarian.net/music/ [19:52] whew that a page back already [19:52] All of them generated in that way [19:52] oh that is neat Trixar_za ! [19:53] I've been making music in milkytracker - its not generated though, its all sweat work [19:53] I still want to learn how to use a tracker properly [19:54] While fractal generation is fun, it does end up repeating itself eventually [19:54] On the up side, I bet you could use it to generate the initial tones needed for instruments in a tracker [19:55] btw, how can I make a podcast like feed from a lot of mp3 audio files in a folder on a web server? [19:56] podcast feed? I just figured out that browsers like firefox and chrome play ogg files with streaming, so I started to use that format instead of mp3 [19:56] inetpro: you *should* be able to generate an rss or atom feed very simply using python and just a directory listing [19:56] charl: a few years ago I did a RSS feed script like that with perl [19:57] a track for a game I am making Trixar_za (15kb) https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18686471/mods/kbmonkey-moonbase_attack.xm [19:57] ideally it would be nice to give the users a front-end interface where they fill in the details with an upload function [19:58] I'm actually looking through modarchive.org for a future music I can use with a visual novel [19:58] inetpro: i have been checking this out but i haven't used it yet http://lkiesow.github.io/python-feedgen/ [19:59] Trixar_za, I am always willing to collaborate - as far as my skills can take me of course [20:01] kbmonkey: Nice chiptune you got there [20:02] I can link you a page with more of other styles - that one is very game specifc [20:02] I've been on somewhat of radix binge myself since I heard yuki satellite @ http://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=167157 [20:02] Mind you, it's a 15MB xm file [20:02] Compresses to under 4MB as a mp3 [20:03] charl: thanks for the link, will check it out [20:03] np, it looks dead simple [20:04] if you need help, just shout [20:04] charl: sure thing, sadly simple might just not be good enough [20:04] Trixar_za, http://tinyurl.com/kbmonk [20:05] inetpro: i guess the biggest thing is, you want titles for each file, unless you can derive that off the file name [20:05] Ill take a listen to yuki satellites [20:05] inetpro: considering you already know the url from the file name and the date from the last modified date [20:05] Btw kbmonkey, any good guides on learning how to use a tracker? [20:05] that sure is a large file XD [20:06] charl: that is the problem here, the information is not in the file [20:06] night guys. sleep tight [20:06] crash time [20:06] I create all samples using the draw tool, so my songs are usually very very tiny [20:06] see you tomorrow [20:06] at lest not all of it [20:06] gn Kilos [20:06] Kilos: good night [20:07] kbmonkey: Yeah, I was surprised too. I downloaded most of it before I realized how big it was. The song ended up being worth it [20:07] Trixar_za, I have not found much of good guides to be honest! most of it is by loading up other peoples mods and looking at how they did things. like reading code I guess. [20:07] however on youtube is some tutorials by stormblast, those are pretty good to start [20:08] I figured. Most of the time I'm just using pure ear mixing. There is also a big gap between midi and solmire converted instrumental mixes like the mp3 and ogg files are [20:09] also, look up anything by strobe - those are visually stunning as the tracks are assembled to give a visual feedback type effect. it is just crazy. [20:10] kbmonkey: http://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_profile&query=69549 ? [20:12] yes, that strobe [20:12] of course I meant playing in milkytracker so you see the visual effects [20:13] see tawnythegnome for example [20:15] [20:18] folks the day and gym caught up with me - Im off for soem R&R [20:23] Night kbmonkey [20:23] And yeah, I downloaded milkytracker just for strobe's tracks [20:30] Ok, that was pretty awesome to see [20:33] Maaz, tell kbmonkey to check out http://trixarian.net/atrk-bu2.zip to my experimentation with auto-trackering [20:33] Trixar_za: Okay, I'll tell kbmonkey on freenode [20:37] Hmm, that's not my lastest code for it - let's update it [20:37] :P [20:37] kbmonkey: shall I announce an open discussion for Monday evening at 20:30? eg: Join us for an open discussion on Monday evening at 20:30 - 21:30 and feel free to bring your own topic [20:38] kbmonkey: are you willing to run the show? I do think it should be somewhat controlled like our meeting the other day [20:40] oops, and I didn't even notice that he called it a day... good night kbmonkey