[03:12] <inahd> hey, i am having some trouble with jack and pulseaudio
[04:45] <holstein> inahd: shoot
[04:49] <holstein> inahd: are you using ubuntustudio?
[04:49] <holstein> inahd: if not, try downloading a live CD.. things should "just work" without much trouble
[04:49] <holstein> falks kxstudio ppa's are great, but not officially supported by ubuntustudio
[04:49] <holstein> !mint
[05:30] <inahd> yeah i run mint but i installed the ubuntustudio repos, so i thought i might ask
[05:32] <holstein> inahd: we actually dont have any repos.. we only have official packages in the main ubuntu repos, and dont use or supply any custom sources
[05:32] <inahd> i tried the ubuntustudio QS, but i found it a bit easier last time around to tweak mint how i wanted it
[05:32] <inahd> oh yeah
[05:32] <holstein> inahd:  you likely installed mint, and added our metapackages, which is fine, but yeah, we cant support it, since the underlying OS is not ubuntu
[05:32] <inahd> i see
[05:33] <holstein> and, we have no idea how the system will behave with JACK, etc.. i have see folks with issues before, though i would imagine everything should work, or be tweakable
[05:33] <inahd> i'm really only trying to figure out the command someone gave me once that i added in jack. i think it might have had something to do with pasuspender
[05:34] <inahd> that allowed sound to flow between jack sessions
[05:34] <holstein> flow between jack sessions?
[05:34] <holstein> !proaudio
[05:34] <holstein> not sure what that means... you should start jack only once.. there shouldnt be multiple jack servers
[05:35] <inahd> yeah like if i load jack, pulseaudio wont start back up after closing jack
[05:35] <holstein> inahd: thats something that could be due to mint specific pulse config
[05:35] <inahd> hmm ok
[05:36] <holstein> inahd: you might need to, and can try just starting pulse manually
[05:36] <inahd> seems like the mint-help community isn't so familiar with jack and stuff
[05:36] <inahd> ok
[05:36] <inahd> that is much better than rebooting
[05:37] <holstein> they'll just say "we dont ship it", cause they dont
[05:37] <inahd> someone gave me a line of code to put into the jack config that made it all better once
[05:37] <inahd> but i forget
[05:37] <holstein> they wont care if they break jack
[05:37] <holstein> or, likely notice
[05:37] <holstein> inahd: make what better?
[05:38] <inahd> the boo boo
[05:38] <holstein> pulse doesnt get killed like that anymore
[05:38] <inahd> hmm
[05:38] <inahd> i can't keep up!
[05:38] <holstein> inahd: there is a pulse dbus on by default in the packages we ship
[05:39] <holstein> you start jack, pulse is still running
[05:39] <holstein> but, you can literally just restart it if you are having issues
[05:39] <holstein> you can try not using the dbus
[05:39] <inahd> ah
[05:39] <holstein> in jack, under the misc tab, you can untick the dbus, and just not use it.. thats what i do
[05:39] <inahd> i vaguely  understand
[05:40] <inahd> ok
[05:40] <holstein> but, we dont know what mint has done to pulse
[05:40] <inahd> i will mess with it some more
[05:40] <holstein> they are not expecting, or worried about JACK at all
[05:40] <holstein> im not cracking on mint at all.. its just not something they do, or care about
[05:40] <inahd> right
[05:40] <holstein> its nothing they will ever ship, or expect a user to use.. or care about devoting a team to test, or implement
[05:41] <inahd> i kind of wish i could get an OS that is somewhere between mint and avlinux
[05:41] <holstein> inahd: make your own
[05:41] <inahd> which is sort of ubuntustudio i guess...
[05:42] <inahd> one day perhaps
[05:42] <holstein> avlinux is debian
[05:42] <holstein> inahd: you install debian and add what you want
[05:42] <inahd> well, thats a good point
[05:43] <holstein> otherwise, i say, if you are wanting to do audio work, mainly, then use a distro that at least would care about not breaking those apps
[05:43] <holstein> mint is a great OS at what it is, and thats nothing to do with audio work
[05:43] <inahd> thats a good point
[05:43] <inahd> i never thought about it that way
[05:43] <holstein> can you use mint? sure.. but if you are hitting a wall, and needing support, you are not going to get it
[05:43] <holstein> its not a slam in any way
[05:44] <inahd> i understand
[05:44] <inahd> i was just dual booting before
[05:44] <holstein> it would be better/arguably more appropriate to start with ubuntustudio.. or just ubuntu.. or debian
[05:44] <inahd> i would break ubuntu and mint trying to get everything set up for audio
[05:44] <holstein> inahd: stop breaking things
[05:44] <inahd> hehe
[05:45] <inahd> but thats how i learned almost everything i know!
[05:45] <holstein> inahd: save the configs.. dont use unsupported ppa's.. dont even be online with that machine if not necessary
[05:45] <inahd> true
[05:45] <holstein> my production machine isnt online, and in dont upgrade it very often
[05:45] <holstein> more like AVlinux.. its just an appliance. you are intended to upgrade AVlinux
[05:45] <inahd> i would like to learn the vm setup for playing
[05:46] <holstein> inahd: nothing about JACK will work in a VM
[05:46] <holstein> not well
[05:46] <inahd> haha ok
[05:46] <holstein> you dont virtualize for the production environments like that
[05:47] <holstein> dual boot works.. make a partition with whatever mint you like, and install ubuntustudio, AVLinux, Kxstudio, and/or whatever you build up from a debian or minimal ubuntu install for audio production
[05:47] <inahd> i think it was most successful way i had it setup
[05:48] <holstein> have good backups, and plan for failure and/or reinstallation, and nothing bad can happen
[05:48] <holstein> i have machines i test full installations on with my audio hardware before upgrading
[05:48] <inahd> that way i didn't ruin things trying to change them too much
[05:49] <holstein> not in virtualization... there are handy things you can do in VM, but not with JACK in particular
[05:49] <inahd> if my internet wasn't so slow, i wouldn't mind reinstalling so much
[05:49] <holstein> inahd: just stop ruining things... make backups, and be ready to restore, and nothing can be ruined
[05:49] <inahd> how would you suggest i back things up?
[05:49] <holstein> inahd: you can use clonezilla to clone what you have and you wont need to do anything on the internet
[05:50] <holstein> inahd: depends on what things and what resources you have, and what you are willing to do
[05:50] <inahd> alright, i will definitely look into that
[05:51] <holstein> what do i do? i just have a copy of data.. i dont care about sitting up machines.. i enjoy it.. but, i have had clonezilla clones for if i had things *just* like i wanted, and i wanted to mess around, or wipe the drive and be able to restore
[05:51] <inahd> i do like trying all the different releases of the new OS's, so in that sense i don't mind starting over. but yes having i nice clean setup for what i do will save me some time
[05:52] <holstein> i dont mess around on my audio production rig like that.. i install the LTS versions of ubuntustudio.. anything else happens on a different partition
[05:52] <holstein> i need to hit the button and make money... i dont get into a stressful scenario on there
[05:52] <inahd> i am not as serious a musician as i might hope
[05:53] <inahd> i like to be able to introduce my musician friends to linux though
[05:53] <inahd> and also mess around
[05:53] <holstein> eh.. i stopped bothering.. i mention it, and let it go
[05:53] <holstein> they want what they want, and they can have it..
[05:54] <inahd> yes, that was what i learned eventually
[05:54] <inahd> but serious musicians have been impressed by the software
[05:54] <inahd> thats for sure
[05:55] <holstein> it does what it does.. no doubt, its capable
[05:55] <holstein> but, thats never really been the issue
[05:55] <inahd> what is the issue?
[05:56] <inahd> packaging? marketing?
[05:56] <holstein> inahd: it doesnt come on anything.. the platform
[05:56] <holstein> inahd: you have to seek linux out from a few vendors.. its not available
[05:57] <inahd> i wonder if android might change that
[05:57] <holstein> i doubt anyone will be doing any proaudio work that way anytime soon
[05:58] <holstein> what might help and change things is just webapplications
[05:58] <inahd> no
[05:58] <holstein> assuming something like audio editing could be done
[05:58] <holstein> inahd: no?
[05:58] <inahd> i mean i agree they will not
[05:58] <inahd> but a lot of amatuers might
[05:59] <holstein> if it were a webapp, then any OS, mobile or whatever, would have access
[05:59] <holstein> thats pretty far off though...
[05:59] <inahd> what about these digital recorder microphones
[06:00] <inahd> if a nice portable mic was loaded with tools
[06:00] <holstein> sure.. they had those though. something like that
[06:00] <holstein> 4 track recorders and hand helds with editing
[06:01] <holstein> but, its not "easy".. and now-a-days, its not an ipad
[06:01] <inahd> +right, archos i think was sort of like that
[06:02] <inahd> i guess ultimately its a hardware issue
[06:02] <holstein> you think?
[06:03] <holstein> anyone is welcome to create any type of hardware for linux
[06:03] <inahd> not enough industry and innovation around the open source
[06:03] <holstein> you see that with android.. folks make things for whatever is profitable
[06:03] <holstein> when it becomes marketable to support FOSS/linux, vendors will
[06:04] <inahd> i suppose your right
[06:04] <inahd> and android definitely proved that
[06:05] <inahd> as far as audio editing though, there hasn't been any real breakthrough i guess
[06:05] <holstein> nothing to run out and buy new computers over in 10 years, really
[06:05] <inahd> and people spend sooo much money on software
[06:07] <inahd> i think if archos developed their original mp3 player/recorder further it could have turned into quite a beast though
[06:07] <holstein> maybe.. im not interested in recording or making mp3's, personally
[06:08] <holstein> but, i had an archos. it was nice
[06:08] <inahd> put synth software on it and some extra connectors
[06:09] <holstein> i flashed it with rockbox and it recorded wav :)
[06:09] <inahd> something like that done well could really make waves in the audio editing market
[06:09] <inahd> nice
[06:09] <holstein> the zoom made waves, i suppose
[06:10] <inahd> hmm
[06:10] <holstein> but, no one wants to do that.. pro audio.. pros want pro gear, and dont mind paying for it... regular folks just want the ipad adapter to do whatever.. and they may not buy that
[06:11] <inahd> true
[06:11] <inahd> that will probably never change
[06:12] <holstein> the need for quality is just not that big
[06:13] <inahd> well, i think that digital media has really changed the game
[06:13] <holstein> its made things arguably easier.. maybe more accesible is the term... and the quality isnt too bad with digital these days.. acceptable
[06:13] <inahd> its not so much about getting into a really great studio or label
[06:14] <holstein> all you need to get into a studio is $$
[06:14] <holstein> the labels just arent picking things up like they used to
[06:15] <inahd> people who are talented can just become well known through social networks
[06:15] <holstein> the label that picked something up for me was only interested in digital distribution.. and the deal is pretty bad. like 50% or something
[06:15] <holstein> inahd: people who are noticed
[06:15] <holstein> inahd: "talent" is not a prerequisite to being popular
[06:15] <inahd> hehe right
[06:16] <inahd> perhaps being relevant is a sort of talent
[06:16] <holstein> i seperate it by entertainment
[06:17] <holstein> entertainment is just entertaining, for whatever reason.. doesnt have to be music... or good
[06:17] <holstein> or art..
[06:17] <inahd> true
[06:17] <holstein> not that im in the market to dictate what art is...
[06:20] <inahd> thats a big thing about the modern age, all this technology and the ability to have concensus, is only as powerful as our discernment.
[06:21] <inahd> nut much seems to have changed ironically
[06:22] <holstein> inahd:  i think that a lot.. nothing new has really come about.. it just seems that way
[06:24] <inahd> it almost seems more dangerous sometimes, like putting real tools in a childs hands
[06:24] <holstein> inahd: imagine what the past generations thought of rocknroll :)
[06:25] <holstein> inahd: ok.. im out.. its late, and i need to get horizontal.. cheers!
[06:25] <inahd> yes
[06:25] <inahd> peace
[08:17] <todor> zdr all q daite nqkoi savet kak da si podkaram sound-a na ubuntustudion 13.10 che ideq nqmam a laptopa e asus x59gl
[09:10] <todor> mersi za burziq otgovor :)
[09:48] <david_> Hi all. yesterday did install u Studio v13.10 64 bit. on Software & Updates, shows 5 nVidia/alternative drivers. the one thats Checked is #3, with no driver version number.  other 4 have driver version numbers. something tells me if i check, do reboot, might get a great -or- a bad reaction. what do you suggest?
[13:04] <david_> Great Job...Ubuntu Studio 13 is much better than 12.04...Upgrade was easypeasy^
[13:06] <cfhowlett> david_, glad it worked out for you.  I only do LTS upgrades so Xmas comes every other year for me. Then I do a clean install.
[13:07] <david_> It even works on older Hardware...fluently...now I will checkout if I can make "Pipelight" run
[13:09] <david_> All the Big OS (Apple, MS even Android) separate the Media-Streams by getting using own only
[13:10] <david_> I was glad to see XBMC 12 on the newest Studio integrated---
[13:56] <afadfads> anyoen good at using speciman or petri foo
[13:57] <edocod> hello everyone
[13:58] <edocod> i just installed ubuntu studio
[13:58] <edocod> and it is amazing
[13:58] <edocod> i have a problem, though.
[13:58] <cfhowlett> edocod, details.  quickly
[13:58] <edocod> I'm trying to use DJ Console with a Samson GO MIC
[13:58] <afadfads> whats up dude
[13:58] <cfhowlett> before my wifi gets cut off
[13:58] <edocod> i can't find it in jack
[13:58] <afadfads> dont know about that app
[13:59] <edocod> well sorry dj console isn't relevant
[13:59] <edocod> let's focus only on the microphone
[13:59] <edocod> pulseaudio recognizes it
[13:59] <cfhowlett> edocod, ok ...
[13:59] <edocod> jack not
[13:59] <cfhowlett> good
[13:59] <cfhowlett> are you booting the low latency kernel?
[13:59] <edocod> yep.
[14:00] <cfhowlett> also, probably find an answer in #opensourcemusicians  ... which I am not ...
[14:00] <edocod> cool, i'll join there then
[14:00] <cfhowlett> edocod, good luck
[14:02] <afadfads> anyone know about petri foo aka speciman
[14:24] <andreas> &
[14:27] <cub> !
[14:28] <afadfads> any help with petrifoo anyone
[17:57] <waykool99> having problems with u Studio v13.10 64 bit. anyone to help?
[17:57] <holstein> ask
[17:59] <waykool99> wow. too many problems to list. tried Accessories, Report a Problem but doesn't work at all
[17:59] <holstein> waykool99: start somewhere.. what are you wanting to do? report a bug?
[17:59] <holstein> !bug
[18:00] <waykool99> i have a Launchpad account. what i can't resolve here, i'll submit a bug report.
[18:00] <waykool99> first...
[18:01] <waykool99> when using Ubuntu Software Center, small windows keep popping up forcing Focus, says Debconf etc
[18:02] <holstein> waykool99: i dont use it.. i use synaptic, or command line
[18:02] <holstein> waykool99: i would just submit what issues you are finding, but if the tool is not working, move on to another package manager
[18:03] <waykool99> popups occur so fast, last 1/2 second. they keep popping up. then Ubuntu Software Center crashes
[18:03] <holstein> waykool99: ok.. is using synaptic going to be acceptable?
[18:03] <waykool99> the 'submit crash reports' window then crashes
[18:03] <holstein> waykool99: we get the software center as it is.. and its not specifically designed for xfce..
[18:03] <waykool99> yes, i know Synaptic very well
[18:03] <holstein> waykool99: above offers many ways to submit bugs
[18:04] <holstein> waykool99: is this stock ubuntustudio?
[18:04] <waykool99> got the ISO from ubuntustudio.org
[18:05] <holstein> waykool99: have you added any ppas? or packages?
[18:05] <waykool99> yes many
[18:05] <holstein> waykool99: ppa's are not officially supported
[18:05] <waykool99> i always check CD/DVD's for defects first
[18:06] <holstein> waykool99: so, if for example, you have added anything with GTK or GTK deps, that could be breaking the software center
[18:06] <waykool99> i use the software center because its fast. shall i use Synaptic instead?
[18:07] <holstein> waykool99: what would i do? wire the machine up to the internet, if not already, close all package managers.. open a terminal and run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" and reboot if you get a kernel upgrade and test
[18:07] <holstein> waykool99: i suggested above using synaptic, and i still do.. i use it and prefer it, and it works well..
[18:07] <holstein> waykool99: you can launch the software center from the terminal to see if there is any helpful information if/when it crashes..
[18:08] <holstein> waykool99: you can remove the ppa's you added
[18:08] <waykool99> one thought,,, is that Low Latency stuff i watched download during the install and again during updates after doing a restart.
[18:09] <waykool99> low latency possibly causing problems?
[18:09] <holstein> waykool99: we have a low latency kernel that ships..
[18:10] <holstein> waykool99: not likely.. if you feel it is, and want to troubleshoot that, you can use the package manger of your choice (that is working properly for you) to install the generic kernel and reboot using that kernel.. no need to remove the lowlatency kernel to do this test
[18:10] <waykool99> i added another stick 1 GB RAM in case it might help
[18:10] <holstein> waykool99: that will "help" if you are running low on memory
[18:10] <holstein> waykool99: if not, it wont
[18:10] <holstein> nothing you are reporting is a memory issue.. unless the memory is broken
[18:11] <holstein> waykool99: if you have 3rd party ppa's, that can be breaking what you speak of
[18:11] <waykool99> ok thanks very much. i'll try everything you suggested. i have 1 more question...
[18:12] <waykool99> trying to partition a WD 3 TB and a 2 TB drive. so far, using GPT it only formats 2.2 GB on the 3 TB.
[18:13] <holstein> waykool99: i would test the hardware.. i would run test formatting whatever works and fits my needs
[18:13] <waykool99> should i be using LVM, BIOS or some other option?\
[18:13] <holstein> waykool99: shouldnt be anything about ubuntustudio limiting your hard drive space..
[18:13] <holstein> waykool99: i suggest using the automatic installer defaults
[18:13] <waykool99> i called Western Digital several times.
[18:13] <holstein> if you want manual, you should research what meets your needs, and implement as needed
[18:14] <waykool99> automatic installer does MBR and only partitions 2.2 TB
[18:14] <holstein> you could also try #ubuntu or #xubuntu or one of the bigger support avenues for suggestions
[18:14] <holstein> waykool99: i would have to have the hardware in front of me to see, and make a suggestion
[18:14] <holstein> i would just wipe it and test
[18:15] <waykool99> WD lady insisted i use GPT. i tried Red Hat's Disk Utility, GParted both Live ISO burned to DVD, and GParted within Ubuntu DVD's.
[18:16] <waykool99> and Knoppix Gparted's
[18:16] <holstein> waykool99: a drive is a driver
[18:16] <holstein> drive*
[18:16] <holstein> shouldnt make any difference.. i would use what works
[18:17] <holstein> why are you only seeing 2.2 of a 3gb drive? i have no idea and would have to test to see
[18:17] <waykool99> she said when partitioning over 2 TB you must use GPT
[18:17] <holstein> waykool99: that wont limit the drive.. and ubuntu, linux, nor ubuntutstudio will limit the drive
[18:18] <waykool99> i'm baffled
[18:18] <holstein> waykool99: there is legitimate disk space overhead
[18:18] <waykool99> would partitioning using LVM help?
[18:18] <holstein> waykool99: that shouldnt make the drive any larger
[18:18] <waykool99> hmm
[18:18] <holstein> waykool99: i would wipe, and test.. and go with whatever works
[18:19] <holstein> waykool99: when i search "ubuntu format 3tb drive" i see links such as http://amaras-tech.co.uk/article/158/Ubuntu,_formatting_a_3TB_drive
[18:19] <holstein> the things at the end will not be relevant
[18:19] <waykool99> for 3 months, i've wiped, tested, ran Spinrite, tried over 10 different CD/DVD's.
[18:20] <holstein> also relevant http://askubuntu.com/questions/84538/trouble-creating-3tb-ext4-partition-due-to-msdos-partition-table-imposed-error
[18:20] <waykool99> *20 dvd's
[18:20] <holstein> waykool99: stop trying different tools
[18:20] <holstein> waykool99: there are a few constants.. you and the drive
[18:20] <holstein> test the drive.. then, consider what you are doing
[18:20] <waykool99> one thing i've never done. set up a RAID with 2 drives.
[18:21] <holstein> fact: gparted is the tool to do what you are doing
[18:21] <holstein> no need to try different tools, or discs
[18:21] <holstein> get the latest parted magic, or use gparted from a live CD, and test
[18:21] <waykool99> Testdisk included in GParted always says the Cylinder count is wrong
[18:21] <holstein> sure.. that would indicate a drive issue
[18:22] <holstein> or, that you need to reformat
[18:22] <holstein> i would test... and make it do whatever you want
[18:22] <waykool99> Testdisk lets you Manually change CHS
[18:22] <holstein> waykool99: why?
[18:22] <holstein> waykool99: what do you want? to change the CHS? or format 3 tb?
[18:23] <holstein> waykool99: just ignore all that.. stay on target.. test the disk.. i would want a test that would take a few hours
[18:23] <waykool99> i played with a Polariod MP3 player in Testdisk to learn it.
[18:23] <holstein> then, i would just stay with gparted til i get the partition i expect, assuming the drive is OK
[18:24] <waykool99> GParted doesn't correct CHS problems but Testdisk seems to, or at least offers suggestions.
[18:24] <holstein> waykool99: i just offered suggestions
[18:24] <holstein> waykool99: you are not trying to fix a CHS problem, are you?
[18:24] <holstein> waykool99: yo ujust want a larger partition
[18:25] <holstein> so, ignore that.. test the drive.. and make a new partition til you get what you want
[18:25] <holstein> the test should take hours
[18:25] <waykool99> and... i read in a blog some time ago, a programmer said that GParted adds something hidden onto the drive
[18:25] <holstein> waykool99: ?
[18:26] <waykool99> wish i could remember or printed out the blog
[18:26] <holstein> then use the command line.. i have *always* used the industry standard gparted.. its open and publically auditable
[18:26] <holstein> waykool99: you can find *anything* online
[18:26] <waykool99> you're right
[18:26] <waykool99> thank you for many good suggestions
[18:26] <holstein> sure.. good luck!
[18:28] <waykool99> again, thank you very much!
[18:28] <waykool99> reading your suggested URL's...