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atmega32u4s00:18
sealmanaboudreault00:19
alaahello00:30
Daroktharwb00:30
alaathanks00:31
alaaI don't think that the move from mint to kubuntu was the best00:31
alaawhen on mint, I could chat with you guys, but here, chats are always quiet00:31
alaadarokthar: why are all my chat windows empty00:35
DaroktharBut kubuntu is nice00:35
DaroktharI don't know00:35
DaroktharIn this channel there are a lot guys00:35
alaais it quiet for you as well?00:35
alaaI'm only seeing the messages you are sending00:35
DaroktharYeah, only a lot of joins and leaves.00:35
alaaah ok00:36
DaroktharOtherwise there is not much activity at the moment00:36
alaakubuntu is nice, I agree. I love their DE. I finally removed windows 700:36
alaaextremely happy00:36
DaroktharI used kubuntu for years. But i'm back to debian now. But still kubuntu is a really cool distro.00:37
alaadebian is ubuntu?00:37
alaakubuntu is offering my what I need in terms of look, so I will have to be patient with my learning process00:38
Daroktharubuntu is derived from debian but it is more user friendly. With ubuntu more stuff is working out of the boy00:38
Daroktharbox00:38
DaroktharAnd ubuntu has a bigger community which is more friendly to newbies00:38
alaa:) people like me00:38
DaroktharIf you are using debian you will get more often a statement as "try google".00:38
DaroktharYes.00:39
alaaI actually try google, which was great when troubleshooting windows, but not very helpful when needing to ask specific questions about linux systems00:39
alaaalthough, I must add the help I was getting on help channel was amazing00:39
DaroktharTomorrow i will setup a laptop for my 81 year old aunt with ubuntu because she has no idea how computers work. And the desktop of ubuntu is really clean and she will have less problems than with windows.00:40
alaathis is all so weird, I have never used IRC until two weeks ago00:40
alaawow, that would amazing00:40
DaroktharI started using irc in 199600:40
alaamy wife came home one day with a lappy that had ubunto installed00:40
alaashe had a hissie fit, and demanded that I install windows on her system00:41
DaroktharIf you have no idea about computers at all i think it is no problem to just start with linux nowadays00:41
alaalast time I saw a linux system before getting mint was a system called redhat00:41
alaacouldn't function it for my life00:41
DaroktharThere are only a few reasons for windows. If you have to work with microsoft office, or if you would like to play games.00:42
alaaand vowed my life and soul to Gates and his corporations00:42
alaathere is no way one could run office in linux systems, is there?00:42
DaroktharYeah there are some distros where you have to have a lot of knowledge and patience. But ubunto is normally running out of the box.00:42
alaalibre is nice, but not the same00:42
DaroktharEspecially if your colleges won't change. Working together with ms-office and libre office is hell.00:43
alaaI know, I couldn't afford to buy office at one point in my life, and I was using open office on windows xp. It was a nightmare00:44
DaroktharBut if you could work with libre office and don't plan to use your computer for gaming linux is a really nice solution.00:44
DaroktharI had ms office only because my friends didn't wanted to use open office.00:45
alaawhy is my system persisting to show me numbers in arabic-hindi, although I told it to pick arabic only00:45
alaathe numbers in the windows are all in arabic, but my devices shows arabic-hindi for the memory on hdd00:45
alaaif you've been using linux since 96, then you must be some super user in the community now00:47
alaaare you a programmer00:47
DaroktharI'm programming yes. And i get around in linux quite well. But there is always more to learn.00:48
alaasweet00:48
DaroktharYou will always feel like you don't know anything, if something is not working.00:48
alaahehehe00:48
alaaI agree00:49
DaroktharAt the moment my box crases when the battery is inserted while booting?!00:49
DaroktharAnd i have no idea why.00:49
DaroktharIt's crazy.00:49
alaathats messed up00:49
DaroktharKDE comes up i can start some programs and then it crases.00:49
DaroktharIf there is no battery while booting it runs. And i have inserted the battery after booting was completed and it runs fine. Even if i disconnect the ac.00:50
alaathats strange. I tried googling it for you, and there doesn't seem to be anything about this topic00:51
alaawhat brand are you using?00:52
alaait can't be a battery problem because if it were, then the system would crash when you insert it00:54
DaroktharI know. I got a thinkpad T41000:54
James0rhow do you execute a .deb file from the command line?00:55
DaroktharI have no idea, too. But nobody has. This problem is quite impossible to debug00:55
Daroktharsudo dpkg --install name-of-debfile?00:55
Daroktharif you would like to install it.00:56
James0rDarokthar: does the file need to be in a particular directory?00:56
James0rDarokthar: yeah, install it.00:56
Daroktharno it should install itself then00:56
James0ri know how to click on the file from the file manager, just like to know00:56
alaadarokthar: how about removing your memory chips, trying to boot (won't work), and then inser them again, and boot00:58
James0rwhat's the best way to install google earth? seems like when i've installed it before with the deb file from google it found the dependencies on its own. this time it's saying cant satisfy00:59
DaroktharI ran a memory test. Everything is ok. And when i run on ac everything is working. It is some problem with the battery or ahci.00:59
Daroktharwhich packets?01:00
Daroktharbrb01:01
James0rusing Qapt i dont see where it tells me what's missing. but in terminal http://pastebin.com/RUdAEseP01:01
Daroktharre01:05
alaaare you a chemist too?01:05
alaaDarokthar: I must go and get some sleep01:07
DaroktharOk, good night then01:08
alaaare you a chemist though?01:08
alaaI wasn't stalking, but your website had some chemistry merchandise, hence the question :)01:09
DaroktharNo biologist01:09
alaawow01:09
alaaI'm a physician01:09
alaa:)01:09
DaroktharAh nice.01:09
DaroktharI didn't new i inserted a website in my profile *g*01:09
alaayou didn't :)01:10
DaroktharI guess it is blume-im-inter.net  but i don't remember inserting it *g*01:10
DaroktharIt's been a while01:10
alaayep thats the one I found :)01:11
alaaI assure you, I wasn't stalking. I was surprised when you disconnected that you were from Germany. I couldn't tell by your English; your grammar isn't off like my German friends01:11
alaaso I was curious01:12
alaaand I found your website01:12
alaa:)01:12
DaroktharNo problem01:12
alaahave a good night01:12
DaroktharGood night.01:12
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WiGusthello. Why resizing windows doesn't work in tiling mode?06:28
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BluesKajHowdy all11:45
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doctorpepperhi guys13:24
lordievaderHey doctorpepper13:25
doctorpeppercan anyone please help me  i have  a issue as i move the mouse the desktop as well13:26
doctorpepperyou can see  what i am talking about in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScyAeP5FmIY13:27
lordievaderdoctorpepper: I'm sorry could you describe your problem in a bit mroe detail? I don't see a problem in your video.13:29
alaahello. Why does it take so long for KDE to setup my desktop when connecting to phone's bluetooth13:30
doctorpepperwell, i am gonna make another  video13:31
doctorpepperlordievader: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-jte1bcXAU   , you should focus on the text on the top panel   to see what i am talking about13:37
lordievaderdoctorpepper: You mean the sliding?13:44
lordievaderI thought that was your recorder.13:44
doctorpepperno ihappens when i mouve the mouse13:44
lordievaderdoctorpepper: Is you resolution the native resolution of the screen?13:45
mjaykalaa: what phone system os and version do you have/13:45
mjaykalaa: need ALL the informatuonz13:46
doctorpepper1366*76813:48
doctorpepperby the way  it was working  justing  until today when got out from a full screen video  on youtube13:49
lordievaderdoctorpepper: And 1366x768 is the native resolution of your monitor?13:50
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doctorpepperyes13:57
doctorpepperlordievader:  yes13:58
lordievaderdoctorpepper: Try setting a different resolution that your monitor supports and see if the problem persists.14:01
doctorpepperalready tried it14:02
doctorpepperany idea14:06
lordievaderdoctorpepper: You had the same thing with the other resolution?14:06
doctorpepperryes14:07
lordievaderdoctorpepper: What graphics card do you have, what driver are you using and do you have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf?14:08
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doctorpepperno xorg.conf  and iam  using the intel driver14:08
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doctorpepperfor 2 years now  and it always worked great until today14:09
lordievaderdoctorpepper: Did you do a reboot after it happend?14:11
doctorpepperyes14:11
doctorpepperone time to be precise14:11
doctorpepperany idea14:14
lordievaderdoctorpepper: You could see if a different monitor shows the same thing.14:15
lordievaderdoctorpepper: Furthermore, I'm running out of ideas :(14:15
doctorpeppersame problem  with other monitor  i was using a  2display  a few minutes ago14:16
doctorpepperand back then i was right to left or top to bottom14:17
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doctorpepperlordievader:  i fixed  the  problem14:42
forgeausglad you fixed yours, my desktop is completely black since last upgrade, no video I have to switch to a virtual terminal, log in and startx; startkde to even get a desktop lol14:43
forgeausworked BEFORE the dist upgrade lol14:43
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hardy1hi15:26
hardy1please tell i'm right? kubuntu is like ubuntu only with a kde program-desktop?15:27
BluesKajyes , it's normally the case , but Kubuntu is taking a different route in it's development , now that canonical has decided to no longer support KDE.15:30
BluesKajhardy1.^15:30
hardy1hi BluesKaj15:31
BluesKajHi hardy115:31
hardy1kannst Du mir sagen wie ich unter Kubuntu Root-Rechte erwerbe?15:31
BluesKaj!de | hardy115:32
ubottuhardy1: In den meisten Ubuntu-Kanälen wird nur Englisch gesprochen. Für deutschsprachige Hilfe besuche bitte #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #edubuntu-de oder #ubuntu-at. Einfach "/join #ubuntu-de" eingeben. Danke für Dein Verständnis!15:32
hardy1sorry  i have opened ubuntu-de too, but i believe there ara all sleeping :D15:33
hardy1well i have a problem with kubuntu... i dont can get the root-rights15:34
BluesKajhardy1. what is the problem , permission issues ?15:35
hardy1sudo -i dont works under kubuntu15:35
BluesKajhardy1. when you installed kubuntu did you assign a username and password when asked?15:36
hardy1username with password15:37
hardy1i dont have installed it self15:37
BluesKajhardy1. sorry i don't understand15:38
hardy1i only want to install there a hardware-drifer for a ITE-DVBT-Stick15:38
hardy1driver15:38
hardy1i dont know what happens while installing, because a other people was installing kubuntu on this laptop15:39
lordievaderdoctorpepper: How did you fix it?15:39
BluesKajhardy1. do you know the correct password or are you logged in as a guest user ?15:40
hardy1i open the terminal and type in 'sudo -i'  and than i dont get root rights15:41
hardy1i know in ubuntu i can get root-right with sudo in other distributations i use 'su'15:42
BluesKajsudo -su15:42
BluesKajcorrection , sudo su15:43
hardy1ok thanks :) i will try it15:44
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Daniel^_^?16:21
BluesKajDaniel^_^. ??16:22
soeehiho :)16:24
BluesKajheh , it's slow day in kubuntuville :)16:25
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esingHi, I'd like to remove and reinstall kactivities. I found these packages libkactivities-bin libkactivities-models1 and libkactivities6. Can I just remove latter packages and then reinstall them? I worry they have to many dependencies and mess up my system.16:40
esingtoo*16:41
BluesKajesing. use the package manager to re-install them if you can identify the correct packages , that will make sure any dependencies are installed as well16:44
esing1BluesKaj※ I worry that if I later reinstall the three identified packages that many programs which are depended on them won't be reinstalled, because they are in reverse not necessary for kactivities http://paste.ofcode.org/PwpAGFHEsuRfpSPkyZGPXF16:47
BluesKajesing1. in the depends list from the terminal , reinstall the last one first, and so on16:49
esing1BluesKaj※ There are two lists, not sure which one is the dependencies list. There is 1) "Following packages have been installed automatically and are not needed anymore" and there is 2) "Following packages will be deleted". Do you mean list 1) or 2)?16:52
BluesKajneither , those a old depends that can be removed without affecting current pacjages16:53
BluesKajare16:53
BluesKajesing1.^16:53
esing11) are old depends, but 2) are current packages I thought?16:55
esing1Stuff like kdebase-runtime or kde-workspace would be removed too if removing libkactivities616:56
BluesKajesing1. no , only if you used a command to remove them , they will be safe to remove otherwise16:56
esing1So kde-worspace is an old dependencies which is no more needed? :S16:58
BluesKajesing1.it may be an older version , but if you are concerned then don't remove it , it's your call , you can always reinstall it , it's in the repos17:01
esing1Still got backup, I'll try it17:02
esingUnable to launc /usr/bin/startkde X session not found; falling back to default session17:07
esingSo I guess I just uninstalled my whole kde sc17:07
BluesKajesing. , install kubuntu-desktop17:08
esingDone and rebooted, but the system still boots up very slow to KDE's desktop. (Still waiting for the desktop)17:14
esingI guess now I put the backup of the whole / to the system on and see if that fixes it. (If not then my /home is the cause)17:15
esingDo you think with Kubuntu LTS I reduce the risk of having broken packages as i do now have?17:29
esingI have the feeling it is a bug from an update. This user seems to have the same issue, just few days ago http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=11851417:30
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soeeesing, what packages?17:40
esingsoee I update with cron.daily, therefore I am not sure how to reproduce which updated package resulted in my broken kde17:59
soeeesing, im using 13.10 and have no problems with packages18:00
esingsoee Do you also use more than one activitiy?18:00
soeedo you have only core updates set or some additional ppas ?18:00
soeeesing, 2 atm18:00
soeehttps://plus.google.com/110954078302330754910/posts/B1iwngc22qe18:00
esingsooe I checked my sources-list and there is not additional ppa inside, just the standard saucy repos18:02
soeeesing, and are you sure you have disabled proposed18:04
esing2soee※ This is my sources.list http://paste.ofcode.org/VHfHF3TAQi393LefRhajyH18:08
esing2I guess proposed is deactiviated18:09
esingI just finished putting the backup from yesterday on my system and the long booting time persists. Maybe there's an issue within my /home then? :S18:09
esing(I used the root backup and have /home seperately)18:10
soeeesing, define long booting18:13
soeeand what machine do you have18:13
soeeit might be related to your hardware18:13
esingsoee uefi and init is rapid as usual but when I reach lightdm it freezes for 3 minutes and then boots to the desktop. Without this issue it boots up in total within 20 seconds18:14
fransuvahi, what's the shortcut of return to destop on kubuntu 13.10? i use ctrl alt d but any action18:14
soeethis shouldnt happen for sure18:14
soeereturn to desktop ?18:15
fransuvayep18:15
esingfransuva I use windows key + d, you can change the shortcut in global hotkeys though (under kwin I guesss)18:16
fransuvaesing: i tried it too but any action.18:16
fransuvai'll try kwin18:16
esingsoee I think he means to minimize all windows and then to see the desktop18:17
soeeah :) i have show desktop icon :)18:17
esing^^18:17
soeeif playing some game i just use my upper left corner to show all windows and switch to other18:18
soeeand META  + TAB to switch activity18:18
esingMe too, the activities are pretty useful18:19
soeeesing, when booting does it stops on some specific icon ?18:19
soeei has small slowdown when some network manager stuff was loading some time ago18:20
esingsoee Yes on the last two icons. The second last icon takes around 20 seconds and then the last icon 2-3 minutes18:20
soeeesing, try to create some extra user18:20
soeeand login into this account18:20
esingAlready tried that18:20
esing(Same issue)18:20
soeeso this is not related to waht you have in your /home18:21
esingFirst login was fast but the second login was the same speed as I suffer with the other user18:21
soee;o18:21
esingHm right18:21
soeeBluesKaj, some thoughts ?18:21
BluesKajsoee. i already made some suggestions , but I'm not an activities user so I ran out of ideas pretty quickly18:35
soeei doubt it is related to activities18:35
soeeesing, on the second account did you configured activities also ?18:35
esingsoee No, I didn't add a second activitiy on the second account. I guess kde comes always with the one default activity18:36
soeekonversation test19:19
esingNot finding the issue since 4 hours hmm :919:25
esingWorst case reinstall I guess19:25
esing2In /var/log/lightdm/x-O-greeter.log there are these errors: http://paste.ofcode.org/Lp3MKmvp4AjuZ9zt4BgYgD19:31
soee_test19:39
esingReinstalling lightdm didn't help too :)19:49
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soee:)19:54
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soeeesing: it is a fresh installation or upgraded ?19:57
esingsoee It's an upgraded. Got it installed since probably a year now (I think I upgraded 13.04 -> 13.10 some month ago)20:02
esingI moved .kde and .kde4 and then when I restart the desktop starts relatively fast but always on the second boot it's slow again20:03
soeeesing: do you do something after first boot or it happens even if you login/reboot20:05
esingNo, I do nothing after first boot. I just reboot again to see if it's faster20:05
soeestrange20:06
esingI think it's not /home from the test I did now. I think something in root is messed up20:07
soeeesing: hard to say, after it starts all works smooth ?20:09
esingsoee_ Yes, except that my desktop wallpaper away and my two activities are not working20:12
esing+is20:12
soeeeven more strange20:12
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munkdaefefef21:08
soeeok so you know 2 letters :)21:09
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jevonis there a browser where i can resize the tabs just like in opera?21:26
jevonjust like this: http://postimg.org/image/giwulljk9/21:26
jevonor at least an extension?21:26
soeenot sure, but some allows preview when you hover tab21:27
soee*allow21:27
soeejevon: when it comes to borwsers try chromium or qupzilla21:31
jevoni tried both but the don't give me the option to resize the tabs just like in opera. i'm really used to it. though qupzilla is a good browser.21:33
jevon<soee> not sure, but some allows preview when you hover tab     sry, didn't read that21:34
soeejevon: yeah for example qupzilla has this preview, not any fancy stuff just simple preview tab on hover21:35
jevoni've seen that for firefox and is nice to have but i would like it like it is in opera21:36
soeejevon: then why not use opera ?21:36
jevonopera is somehow dead since they changed to blink.21:37
jevoni'm not sure if i could stay forever with 12.1621:38
soeei havent try it for a logn time21:40
jevonbut i really like that qupzilla offers this tab preview when you hover over it by default. this could be my next choice beside chromium.21:41
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soee:)21:42
soeequpzilla also has nice feature to block flash21:43
soeealso the tabs position configuration in cool21:43
soeejevon: share your thought if you have g+ account: https://plus.google.com/110954078302330754910/posts/RUnScFFEF5b21:45
jevonthank u soee21:50
BluesKajqupzilla thinks my HTML bookmarks file is encrypted , so it won't import them21:53
soee:>21:55
BluesKajanyway it's time for other things ...later folks21:56
soeelet me try21:56
BluesKajok , I'll wait for a few mins21:56
soeeBluesKaj: i have only few now in chromium, i exported them and imported to qupzilla, they are imported but dont show21:58
soeeto and from file21:58
BluesKajsoee. yeah , I'm trying now as well21:59
soeeill ask nowrap22:00
soeehmm it will show sidebar with bookmarks22:06
soeeCTR+SHIFT+B22:06
soeebut there is empty non visible horizontal bar under tabs22:06
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BluesKajithe bookmarks toolbar doesn't accept folders , they show empty22:22
BluesKajanyway ., gotta go22:22
soeeBluesKaj: [23:39] <nowrep> soee: oh yeah .. that's a bug22:41
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soeejevon: https://github.com/QupZilla/qupzilla/issues/109322:58
soeethis might also leads to preview like in opera someday :)22:59
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jevonthat's nice to hear. i will follow the development. it already has a sidebar too, looks really promising.23:09
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