| diddledan | I think most french power to britain goes through the chunnel these days | 00:02 |
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| diddledan | though that's just pure guesswork on my part | 00:02 |
| diddledan | based in no part on actual facts | 00:02 |
| penguin42 | it would make sense | 00:02 |
| penguin42 | ferrying capacitor trains back and forward | 00:02 |
| diddledan | lol | 00:02 |
| penguin42 | heck, you can get 5000F capacitors these days | 00:09 |
| ali1234 | the trains are electric right? | 00:10 |
| ali1234 | do they have sub(power)stations in the tunnel? | 00:11 |
| ali1234 | or do they just have massive ones at each end? | 00:11 |
| penguin42 | wikipedia doesn't say, but it does say the power is delivered to the trains at 25kV! | 00:13 |
| penguin42 | which I guess would mean you could go a fair distance | 00:13 |
| ali1234 | yeah i'm reading that very page right now | 00:13 |
| ali1234 | no actual distances given though :( | 00:13 |
| penguin42 | http://www.railway-technology.com/projects/channel-tunnel/ either end | 00:14 |
| ali1234 | awesome | 00:15 |
| penguin42 | diddledan: http://www.4-traders.com/GROUPE-EUROTUNNEL-54576/news/GROUPE-EUROTUNNEL--and-STAR-Capital-Partners-establish-joint-venture-to-develop-an-electricity-inte-13640722/ that's for a .5GW interconnect, I don't know where the other 2GW goes | 00:16 |
| shauno | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HVDC_Cross-Channel seems kinda straightforward | 00:18 |
| penguin42 | ah nice | 00:21 |
| * penguin42 hadn't thought of the problem with ships compasses | 00:21 | |
| diddledan | lol, that could be interesting | 00:22 |
| shauno | the bit about the first one constantly being damaged by fishing nets sounds kinda terrifying | 00:23 |
| shauno | reminds me of a story from a good 20 years ago of a trawler being sunk because it 'caught' a submarine. thar be monsters indeed | 00:28 |
| penguin42 | shauno: I think there's still a lot of damage to fibres like that | 00:30 |
| * penguin42 reckons with those capacitors you could get .46MWh in a standard 40ft container - now how many of those do you get on a eurotunnel train? | 00:31 | |
| shauno | yeah, and dragging anchors. but snapping an optical cable doesn't sound quite as scary as catching a 160MW feed | 00:31 |
| penguin42 | true | 00:32 |
| shauno | that's gotta be one hell of a breaker | 00:32 |
| penguin42 | haha yes | 00:33 |
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| Pendulum | I hope any Ubuntu UK Glasgwegians are safe and okay | 00:57 |
| GentileBen | Glasgow is safe if you stay in the panic room. | 00:58 |
| daftykins | what's going down up there? | 01:21 |
| ali1234 | too soon | 01:22 |
| shauno | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-25163045 | 01:24 |
| daftykins | oh my | 01:25 |
| daftykins | ty shauno | 01:25 |
| diddledan | how long will it be before the conspiracy theorists spin it? | 01:31 |
| ali1234 | TOO SOON | 01:32 |
| shauno | that's a weird one to spin. there's much cheaper ways for the police to mess up a pub | 01:34 |
| penguin42 | but was it shot down? | 01:35 |
| ali1234 | not according to eye witnesses | 01:35 |
| shauno | ah. that could work. blame it on the Celtic supporters | 01:35 |
| daftykins | St. Andrew's Day 'n' all | 01:36 |
| mungbean | lol crazies http://consumerist.com/2013/11/29/here-are-some-videos-of-people-who-spent-thanksgiving-fighting-over-discounted-junk/ | 07:23 |
| MartijnVdS | mungbean: welcome to Murrica | 07:59 |
| MartijnVdS | In more serious news.. http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/nov/29/helicopter-crashes-roof-glasgow-pub | 08:00 |
| mungbean | received my trainvouchers after the windy day last month | 08:55 |
| mungbean | repaid£6.90 for the inconvenience | 08:55 |
| mungbean | think i would rather have had a working train service for 2 days | 08:57 |
| AlanBell | gosh that helicopter crash looks scary | 09:14 |
| diplo | Morning all | 09:49 |
| popey | http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/393053146/powerup-30-smartphone-controlled-paper-airplane | 10:17 |
| popey | its hit 256K USD! | 10:17 |
| brobostigon | good morning everyone, | 10:17 |
| dwatkins | hiya | 10:17 |
| popey | it's trending towards ~3 million | 10:18 |
| brobostigon | hiya | 10:18 |
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| popey | so that £40.90 that amazon sent me as a gift a while back, I just got an email saying it was for affiliate revenue as expected | 11:42 |
| MartijnVdS | cool | 11:42 |
| penguin42 | how does affiliate revenue work? | 11:44 |
| popey | can you ask a more specific question? | 11:45 |
| penguin42 | what is 'affiliate revenue' | 11:46 |
| MartijnVdS | penguin42: It's money you make when people buy things after clicking a link to (in this case) Amazon on your site | 11:46 |
| penguin42 | ahha | 11:47 |
| GentileBen | http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/25155998 | 12:43 |
| GentileBen | "Dappy kicked in face by horse" | 12:43 |
| popey | happy to not have a clue who dappy is \o/ | 13:50 |
| mungbean | i only know because of buzzcocks | 13:51 |
| mungbean | maybe the horse heard about what he did those those girls | 13:52 |
| popey | haha http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1545592703/baba-invisible-panties | 14:00 |
| popey | worst idea *ever* | 14:00 |
| MartijnVdS | the empress' new panties? | 14:01 |
| popey | http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cchu/palette-a-freeform-interface-that-controls-any-sof is neat | 14:03 |
| popey | i considered making a thing like that in the past | 14:03 |
| MartijnVdS | that looks shiny | 14:04 |
| * MartijnVdS is trying to get raspbian onto an SD card | 14:05 | |
| MartijnVdS | that part works | 14:05 |
| GentileBen | popey, I'd dispute the sexiness of that thing. | 14:05 |
| MartijnVdS | However, after installing, it doesn't install a kernel | 14:05 |
| GentileBen | For one thing, it looks like a female jock strap. | 14:05 |
| mungbean | ewww | 14:18 |
| mungbean | nasty | 14:18 |
| MartijnVdS | what, no kernel? | 14:27 |
| mungbean | i just clicked on the invisble panties link | 14:33 |
| DJones | mungbean: That'll teach you to click on random untrusted links, especially when they're posted by very dodgy users :) | 14:37 |
| mungbean | i was intrigued by invisible panties | 14:37 |
| mungbean | should have thought about it reallly | 14:38 |
| DJones | Its called going commando isn't | 14:38 |
| DJones | No doubt their next idea will be a version for Scotsmen to wear under their kilts | 14:39 |
| MartijnVdS | DJones: blasphemy | 14:43 |
| DJones | :) | 14:43 |
| DJones | I know they're not supposed to wear anything, but 1) It gets cold in Scotland in winter and 2) I'm not getting close enough to check anyway | 14:44 |
| mungbean | the backdrop to this paper looks very ubuntu-esque http://speri.dept.shef.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/SPERI-Paper-No.6-The-UKs-Innovation-Deficit-and-How-to-Repair-it-PDF-1131KB.pdf | 17:27 |
| daftykins | greetings everyone | 19:07 |
| MartijnVdS | greetings, earthling :) | 19:07 |
| daftykins | mungbean: that it does! | 19:07 |
| * penguin42 was walking around a very large busy shopping centre this afternoon (trafford centre) - noticed the phone shops were quite empty | 19:32 | |
| MooDoo | evening all | 19:33 |
| AlanBell | evening | 19:37 |
| MooDoo | How are you alan? ok for me to lurk in your irc meeting? | 19:38 |
| AlanBell | sure | 19:47 |
| MooDoo | ta! | 19:47 |
| MooDoo | AlanBell: #ubuntu-irc ? | 19:59 |
| MooDoo | ignore that | 20:00 |
| AlanBell | #ubuntu-meeting | 20:01 |
| MooDoo | yeah i read the email properly lol | 20:01 |
| GentileBen | http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HS-021-PL Read the description. | 20:03 |
| MooDoo | AlanBell: change the rule about ubuntu members and i'll run ;) | 20:14 |
| AlanBell | I can't | 20:16 |
| MooDoo | i'm teasing chap ;) | 20:17 |
| GentileBen | Check out this fanless heatsink: http://www.quietpc.com/images/products/nof-cr-100a-installed-large.jpg | 20:20 |
| penguin42 | GentileBen: Nice! | 20:21 |
| AlanBell | looks like an old style slide projector | 20:22 |
| penguin42 | bah, it's discontinued | 20:23 |
| daftykins | guaranteeing you'll never get heat issues - mostly because you'll never plug any RAM in as it won't fit :< | 20:23 |
| penguin42 | AlanBell: Beeep | 20:23 |
| penguin42 | ah, they tweeked it a little; http://www.quietpc.com/nof-icepipe | 20:24 |
| penguin42 | bit on the pricey side | 20:25 |
| daftykins | wow. | 20:25 |
| daftykins | yeah i bet all that metal adds u | 20:25 |
| daftykins | p | 20:25 |
| GentileBen | It only supports 80W/95W CPUs it seems. | 20:31 |
| daftykins | 'only' - i'd fear pushing a 65W'er :D | 20:32 |
| GentileBen | I guess that rules out the FX-9590. 220W of egg-cooking power. | 20:32 |
| GentileBen | Yes that's right - AMD released a 220W CPU which struggles to keep up with Intel's 84W CPUs. | 20:32 |
| daftykins | oh how i wish they were decent again :( | 20:33 |
| GentileBen | They've given up on the high-end. | 20:36 |
| GentileBen | And the mid-range. | 20:36 |
| GentileBen | AMD CPUs are only good for budget gaming systems. | 20:36 |
| daftykins | i haven't bought anything of theirs since an Athlon64 for a client - i doubt i ever will again too :( | 20:37 |
| * MartijnVdS wonders what to do with his rpi | 20:37 | |
| martsbradley | \list haskell | 20:37 |
| GentileBen | daftykins, they fired all of their best engineers. | 20:37 |
| MartijnVdS | martsbradley: wrong / | 20:37 |
| daftykins | GentileBen: due to money woes? :( | 20:37 |
| martsbradley | sorry | 20:37 |
| MartijnVdS | np :) | 20:38 |
| GentileBen | I don't accept your apology martsbradley. | 20:38 |
| GentileBen | daftykins, they had cashflow problems and they ended up having to fire people just to stay financially healthy. | 20:39 |
| GentileBen | The firing of all their best engineers + the move to automated transistor placement (which resulted in 15% bigger dies) really hurt their CPU performance. | 20:39 |
| daftykins | =/ | 20:40 |
| GentileBen | Not to mention they spun off their fab business, and bought ATI (whose engineers were still secretly collaborating with Intel after the purchase). | 20:40 |
| penguin42 | GentileBen: I'm not sure it's just that - the FinFet stuff Intel already has puts them a good 20% ahead on what they can do per W, and everyone else is just playing catch up | 20:40 |
| GentileBen | FinFET doesn't necessarily mean smaller sized features. | 20:41 |
| GentileBen | A month or so ago, it was revealed the whole nanometer thing is completely arbitrary. 28nm parts aren't 28nm, and 130nm parts weren't 130nm. | 20:41 |
| GentileBen | They just name them like that to indicate a progression. | 20:42 |
| GentileBen | So TSMC's "new" 22nm node? Same feature size as their existing 28nm node. | 20:42 |
| GentileBen | Their purported 16nm node also seems to have the same feature sizes... | 20:42 |
| GentileBen | THE MORE YOU KNOW | 20:42 |
| * GentileBen whooshes stars past penguin42 | 20:43 | |
| daftykins | so it doesn't indicate an average transistor size at all? | 20:44 |
| daftykins | not size but spacing | 20:44 |
| GentileBen | Nope. | 20:44 |
| GentileBen | No relationship to any physical features. It's like a model name. | 20:44 |
| daftykins | that's really disappointing | 20:44 |
| GentileBen | I can't find the link, but it was earth-shattering. | 20:45 |
| penguin42 | GentileBen: Oh they've been playing that game for years | 20:48 |
| penguin42 | GentileBen: I think it was fairly real until at least 90nm | 20:49 |
| penguin42 | possibly a bit smaller | 20:49 |
| GentileBen | Apparently not. | 20:49 |
| GentileBen | It's just a number they pluck out which is "roughly" correct. | 20:49 |
| popey | anyone fancy playing tetrinet? | 20:49 |
| penguin42 | GentileBen: But finfets at the same feature size gets a lot in terms of power usage | 20:49 |
| penguin42 | GentileBen: At one point it was actually a feature size, and then they started doing odd things to the shapes of transistors so it didn't quite fit so they started messing about, so yeh it was a 'roughly' at about 130nm/90nm - now it's very arbitrary | 20:50 |
| penguin42 | GentileBen: But it's all quite silly now anyway because they're trying to make features on chips using light of many times the wavelength of the feature size | 20:52 |
| GentileBen | They should just optimise the feature placement for Bitcoin mining. | 20:53 |
| GentileBen | penguin42: http://spectrum.ieee.org/semiconductors/devices/the-status-of-moores-law-its-complicated | 20:56 |
| GentileBen | ^source | 20:56 |
| GentileBen | " The term “0.35-µm node” actually meant something. But around that same time, the link between performance and node name began to break down. " | 20:56 |
| penguin42 | shrug - their graph shows at 90nm it wasn't far off | 20:58 |
| penguin42 | GentileBen: But either way - that's why the presence of a feature like finfets is more important than the number | 20:59 |
| brobostigon | ch4, docu on video games, :) | 21:04 |
| MartijnVdS | brobostigon: ooooh | 21:06 |
| brobostigon | MartijnVdS: missing it? | 21:06 |
| MartijnVdS | brobostigon: well i'm almost done watching This Is It | 21:07 |
| brobostigon | MartijnVdS: ah. | 21:07 |
| MartijnVdS | brobostigon: qixl in 20 min on bbc | 21:10 |
| brobostigon | MartijnVdS: yep :) | 21:14 |
| MartijnVdS | hey, Gary Whitta.. he;s on the tested.com podcast often :) | 21:27 |
| liam_ | help | 23:47 |
| liam_ | connect | 23:47 |
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| liam__ | lp | 23:48 |
| liam__ | help | 23:48 |
| liam__ | gibba.nu | 23:49 |
| daftykins | wow my mate just messaged me uncharacteristically late to say that there's a bug in Apple Time Machine that prevented his dad's lappy being backed up since several months ago | 23:51 |
| daftykins | not all is well in Apple land ;) | 23:52 |
| penguin42 | fun | 23:52 |
| daftykins | it claims it's backing everything up fine inside the OS, but if you go to restore, it'll be ages out of date | 23:52 |
| shauno | did it tell him? | 23:52 |
| daftykins | nah he only realised through doing a drive swap for his dad | 23:53 |
| daftykins | if you were nuking the OS, followed by going to install Mavericks - it would be game over | 23:53 |
| shauno | I manage to break it on mine quite often, but it starts nagging that it's been unable to backup | 23:53 |
| daftykins | nah apparently even manual 'back up now' choices don't do it | 23:53 |
| daftykins | it just lies! D: | 23:54 |
| shauno | I keep hitting a problem with stale locks on mine - particularly when the network to the NAS is interupted | 23:59 |
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