[00:02] <diddledan> I think most french power to britain goes through the chunnel these days
[00:02] <diddledan> though that's just pure guesswork on my part
[00:02] <diddledan> based in no part on actual facts
[00:02] <penguin42> it would make sense
[00:02] <penguin42> ferrying capacitor trains back and forward
[00:02] <diddledan> lol
[00:09] <penguin42> heck, you can get 5000F capacitors these days
[00:10] <ali1234> the trains are electric right?
[00:11] <ali1234> do they have sub(power)stations in the tunnel?
[00:11] <ali1234> or do they just have massive ones at each end?
[00:13] <penguin42> wikipedia doesn't say, but it does say the power is delivered to the trains at 25kV!
[00:13] <penguin42> which I guess would mean you could go a fair distance
[00:13] <ali1234> yeah i'm reading that very page right now
[00:13] <ali1234> no actual distances given though :(
[00:14] <penguin42> http://www.railway-technology.com/projects/channel-tunnel/  either end
[00:15] <ali1234> awesome
[00:16] <penguin42> diddledan: http://www.4-traders.com/GROUPE-EUROTUNNEL-54576/news/GROUPE-EUROTUNNEL--and-STAR-Capital-Partners-establish-joint-venture-to-develop-an-electricity-inte-13640722/  that's for a .5GW interconnect, I don't know where the other 2GW goes
[00:18] <shauno> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HVDC_Cross-Channel  seems kinda straightforward
[00:21] <penguin42> ah nice
[00:21]  * penguin42 hadn't thought of the problem with ships compasses
[00:22] <diddledan> lol, that could be interesting
[00:23] <shauno> the bit about the first one constantly being damaged by fishing nets sounds kinda terrifying
[00:28] <shauno> reminds me of a story from a good 20 years ago of a trawler being sunk because it 'caught' a submarine.  thar be monsters indeed
[00:30] <penguin42> shauno: I think there's still a lot of damage to fibres like that
[00:31]  * penguin42 reckons with those capacitors you could get .46MWh in a standard 40ft container - now how many of those do you get on a eurotunnel train?
[00:31] <shauno> yeah, and dragging anchors.  but snapping an optical cable doesn't sound quite as scary as catching a 160MW feed
[00:32] <penguin42> true
[00:32] <shauno> that's gotta be one hell of a breaker
[00:33] <penguin42> haha yes
[00:57] <Pendulum> I hope any Ubuntu UK Glasgwegians are safe and okay
[00:58] <GentileBen> Glasgow is safe if you stay in the panic room.
[01:21] <daftykins> what's going down up there?
[01:22] <ali1234> too soon
[01:24] <shauno> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-25163045
[01:25] <daftykins> oh my
[01:25] <daftykins> ty shauno
[01:31] <diddledan> how long will it be before the conspiracy theorists spin it?
[01:32] <ali1234> TOO SOON
[01:34] <shauno> that's a weird one to spin.  there's much cheaper ways for the police to mess up a pub
[01:35] <penguin42> but was it shot down?
[01:35] <ali1234> not according to eye witnesses
[01:35] <shauno> ah.  that could work.  blame it on the Celtic supporters
[01:36] <daftykins> St. Andrew's Day 'n' all
[07:23] <mungbean> lol crazies http://consumerist.com/2013/11/29/here-are-some-videos-of-people-who-spent-thanksgiving-fighting-over-discounted-junk/
[07:59] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: welcome to Murrica
[08:00] <MartijnVdS> In more serious news..  http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/nov/29/helicopter-crashes-roof-glasgow-pub
[08:55] <mungbean> received my trainvouchers after the windy day last month
[08:55] <mungbean> repaid£6.90 for the inconvenience
[08:57] <mungbean> think i would rather have had a working train service for 2 days
[09:14] <AlanBell> gosh that helicopter crash looks scary
[09:49] <diplo> Morning all
[10:17] <popey> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/393053146/powerup-30-smartphone-controlled-paper-airplane
[10:17] <popey> its hit 256K USD!
[10:17] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[10:17] <dwatkins> hiya
[10:18] <popey> it's trending towards ~3 million
[10:18] <brobostigon> hiya
[11:42] <popey> so that £40.90 that amazon sent me as a gift a while back, I just got an email saying it was for affiliate revenue as expected
[11:42] <MartijnVdS> cool
[11:44] <penguin42> how does affiliate revenue work?
[11:45] <popey> can you ask a more specific question?
[11:46] <penguin42> what is 'affiliate revenue'
[11:46] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: It's money you make when people buy things after clicking a link to (in this case) Amazon on your site
[11:47] <penguin42> ahha
[12:43] <GentileBen> http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/25155998
[12:43] <GentileBen> "Dappy kicked in face by horse"
[13:50] <popey> happy to not have a clue who dappy is \o/
[13:51] <mungbean> i only know because of  buzzcocks
[13:52] <mungbean> maybe the horse heard about what he did those those girls
[14:00] <popey> haha http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1545592703/baba-invisible-panties
[14:00] <popey> worst idea *ever*
[14:01] <MartijnVdS> the empress' new panties?
[14:03] <popey> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cchu/palette-a-freeform-interface-that-controls-any-sof  is neat
[14:03] <popey> i considered making a thing like that in the past
[14:04] <MartijnVdS> that looks shiny
[14:05]  * MartijnVdS is trying to get raspbian onto an SD card
[14:05] <MartijnVdS> that part works
[14:05] <GentileBen> popey, I'd dispute the sexiness of that thing.
[14:05] <MartijnVdS> However, after installing, it doesn't install a kernel
[14:05] <GentileBen> For one thing, it looks like a female jock strap.
[14:18] <mungbean> ewww
[14:18] <mungbean> nasty
[14:27] <MartijnVdS> what, no kernel?
[14:33] <mungbean> i just clicked on the invisble panties link
[14:37] <DJones> mungbean: That'll teach you to click on random untrusted links, especially when they're posted by very dodgy users :)
[14:37] <mungbean> i was intrigued by invisible panties
[14:38] <mungbean> should have thought about it reallly
[14:38] <DJones> Its called going commando isn't
[14:39] <DJones> No doubt their next idea will be a version for Scotsmen to wear under their kilts
[14:43] <MartijnVdS> DJones: blasphemy
[14:43] <DJones> :)
[14:44] <DJones> I know they're not supposed to wear anything, but 1) It gets cold in Scotland  in winter and 2) I'm not getting close enough to check anyway
[17:27] <mungbean> the backdrop to this paper looks very ubuntu-esque http://speri.dept.shef.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/SPERI-Paper-No.6-The-UKs-Innovation-Deficit-and-How-to-Repair-it-PDF-1131KB.pdf
[19:07] <daftykins> greetings everyone
[19:07] <MartijnVdS>  greetings, earthling :)
[19:07] <daftykins> mungbean: that it does!
[19:32]  * penguin42 was walking around a very large busy shopping centre this afternoon (trafford centre) - noticed the phone shops were quite empty
[19:33] <MooDoo> evening all
[19:37] <AlanBell> evening
[19:38] <MooDoo> How are you alan?  ok for me to lurk in your irc meeting?
[19:47] <AlanBell> sure
[19:47] <MooDoo> ta!
[19:59] <MooDoo> AlanBell: #ubuntu-irc ?
[20:00] <MooDoo> ignore that
[20:01] <AlanBell> #ubuntu-meeting
[20:01] <MooDoo> yeah i read the email properly lol
[20:03] <GentileBen> http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HS-021-PL Read the description.
[20:14] <MooDoo> AlanBell: change the rule about ubuntu members and i'll run ;)
[20:16] <AlanBell> I can't
[20:17] <MooDoo> i'm teasing chap ;)
[20:20] <GentileBen> Check out this fanless heatsink: http://www.quietpc.com/images/products/nof-cr-100a-installed-large.jpg
[20:21] <penguin42> GentileBen: Nice!
[20:22] <AlanBell> looks like an old style slide projector
[20:23] <penguin42> bah, it's discontinued
[20:23] <daftykins> guaranteeing you'll never get heat issues - mostly because you'll never plug any RAM in as it won't fit :<
[20:23] <penguin42> AlanBell: Beeep
[20:24] <penguin42> ah, they tweeked it a little; http://www.quietpc.com/nof-icepipe
[20:25] <penguin42> bit on the pricey side
[20:25] <daftykins> wow.
[20:25] <daftykins> yeah i bet all that metal adds u
[20:25] <daftykins> p
[20:31] <GentileBen> It only supports 80W/95W CPUs it seems.
[20:32] <daftykins> 'only' - i'd fear pushing a 65W'er :D
[20:32] <GentileBen> I guess that rules out the FX-9590. 220W of egg-cooking power.
[20:32] <GentileBen> Yes that's right - AMD released a 220W CPU which struggles to keep up with Intel's 84W CPUs.
[20:33] <daftykins> oh how i wish they were decent again :(
[20:36] <GentileBen> They've given up on the high-end.
[20:36] <GentileBen> And the mid-range.
[20:36] <GentileBen> AMD CPUs are only good for budget gaming systems.
[20:37] <daftykins> i haven't bought anything of theirs since an Athlon64 for a client - i doubt i ever will again too :(
[20:37]  * MartijnVdS wonders what to do with his rpi
[20:37] <martsbradley> \list haskell
[20:37] <GentileBen> daftykins, they fired all of their best engineers.
[20:37] <MartijnVdS> martsbradley: wrong /
[20:37] <daftykins> GentileBen: due to money woes? :(
[20:37] <martsbradley> sorry
[20:38] <MartijnVdS> np :)
[20:38] <GentileBen> I don't accept your apology martsbradley.
[20:39] <GentileBen> daftykins, they had cashflow problems and they ended up having to fire people just to stay financially healthy.
[20:39] <GentileBen> The firing of all their best engineers + the move to automated transistor placement (which resulted in 15% bigger dies) really hurt their CPU performance.
[20:40] <daftykins> =/
[20:40] <GentileBen> Not to mention they spun off their fab business, and bought ATI (whose engineers were still secretly collaborating with Intel after the purchase).
[20:40] <penguin42> GentileBen: I'm not sure it's just that - the FinFet stuff Intel already has puts them a good 20% ahead on what they can do per W, and everyone else is just playing catch up
[20:41] <GentileBen> FinFET doesn't necessarily mean smaller sized features.
[20:41] <GentileBen> A month or so ago, it was revealed the whole nanometer thing is completely arbitrary. 28nm parts aren't 28nm, and 130nm parts weren't 130nm.
[20:42] <GentileBen> They just name them like that to indicate a progression.
[20:42] <GentileBen> So TSMC's "new" 22nm node? Same feature size as their existing 28nm node.
[20:42] <GentileBen> Their purported 16nm node also seems to have the same feature sizes...
[20:42] <GentileBen> THE MORE YOU KNOW
[20:43]  * GentileBen whooshes stars past penguin42
[20:44] <daftykins> so it doesn't indicate an average transistor size at all?
[20:44] <daftykins> not size but spacing
[20:44] <GentileBen> Nope.
[20:44] <GentileBen> No relationship to any physical features. It's like a model name.
[20:44] <daftykins> that's really disappointing
[20:45] <GentileBen> I can't find the link, but it was earth-shattering.
[20:48] <penguin42> GentileBen: Oh they've been playing that game for years
[20:49] <penguin42> GentileBen: I think it was fairly real until at least 90nm
[20:49] <penguin42> possibly a bit smaller
[20:49] <GentileBen> Apparently not.
[20:49] <GentileBen> It's just a number they pluck out which is "roughly" correct.
[20:49] <popey> anyone fancy playing tetrinet?
[20:49] <penguin42> GentileBen: But finfets at the same feature size gets a lot in terms of power usage
[20:50] <penguin42> GentileBen: At one point it was actually a feature size, and then they started doing odd things to the shapes of transistors so it didn't quite fit so they started messing about, so yeh it was a 'roughly' at about 130nm/90nm - now it's very arbitrary
[20:52] <penguin42> GentileBen: But it's all quite silly now anyway because they're trying to make features on chips using light of many times the wavelength of the feature size
[20:53] <GentileBen> They should just optimise the feature placement for Bitcoin mining.
[20:56] <GentileBen> penguin42: http://spectrum.ieee.org/semiconductors/devices/the-status-of-moores-law-its-complicated
[20:56] <GentileBen> ^source
[20:56] <GentileBen> " The term “0.35-µm node” actually meant something. But around that same time, the link between performance and node name began to break down. "
[20:58] <penguin42> shrug - their graph shows at 90nm it wasn't far off
[20:59] <penguin42> GentileBen: But either way - that's why the presence of a feature like finfets is more important than the number
[21:04] <brobostigon> ch4, docu on video games, :)
[21:06] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: ooooh
[21:06] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: missing it?
[21:07] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: well i'm almost done watching This Is It
[21:07] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: ah.
[21:10] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: qixl in 20 min on bbc
[21:14] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: yep :)
[21:27] <MartijnVdS> hey, Gary Whitta.. he;s on the tested.com podcast often :)
[23:47] <liam_> help
[23:47] <liam_> connect
[23:48] <liam__> lp
[23:48] <liam__> help
[23:49] <liam__> gibba.nu
[23:51] <daftykins> wow my mate just messaged me uncharacteristically late to say that there's a bug in Apple Time Machine that prevented his dad's lappy being backed up since several months ago
[23:52] <daftykins> not all is well in Apple land ;)
[23:52] <penguin42> fun
[23:52] <daftykins> it claims it's backing everything up fine inside the OS, but if you go to restore, it'll be ages out of date
[23:52] <shauno> did it tell him?
[23:53] <daftykins> nah he only realised through doing a drive swap for his dad
[23:53] <daftykins> if you were nuking the OS, followed by going to install Mavericks - it would be game over
[23:53] <shauno> I manage to break it on mine quite often, but it starts nagging that it's been unable to backup
[23:53] <daftykins> nah apparently even manual 'back up now' choices don't do it
[23:54] <daftykins> it just lies! D:
[23:59] <shauno> I keep hitting a problem with stale locks on mine - particularly when the network to the NAS is interupted