[00:02] I think most french power to britain goes through the chunnel these days [00:02] though that's just pure guesswork on my part [00:02] based in no part on actual facts [00:02] it would make sense [00:02] ferrying capacitor trains back and forward [00:02] lol [00:09] heck, you can get 5000F capacitors these days [00:10] the trains are electric right? [00:11] do they have sub(power)stations in the tunnel? [00:11] or do they just have massive ones at each end? [00:13] wikipedia doesn't say, but it does say the power is delivered to the trains at 25kV! [00:13] which I guess would mean you could go a fair distance [00:13] yeah i'm reading that very page right now [00:13] no actual distances given though :( [00:14] http://www.railway-technology.com/projects/channel-tunnel/ either end [00:15] awesome [00:16] diddledan: http://www.4-traders.com/GROUPE-EUROTUNNEL-54576/news/GROUPE-EUROTUNNEL--and-STAR-Capital-Partners-establish-joint-venture-to-develop-an-electricity-inte-13640722/ that's for a .5GW interconnect, I don't know where the other 2GW goes [00:18] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HVDC_Cross-Channel seems kinda straightforward [00:21] ah nice [00:21] * penguin42 hadn't thought of the problem with ships compasses [00:22] lol, that could be interesting [00:23] the bit about the first one constantly being damaged by fishing nets sounds kinda terrifying [00:28] reminds me of a story from a good 20 years ago of a trawler being sunk because it 'caught' a submarine. thar be monsters indeed [00:30] shauno: I think there's still a lot of damage to fibres like that [00:31] * penguin42 reckons with those capacitors you could get .46MWh in a standard 40ft container - now how many of those do you get on a eurotunnel train? [00:31] yeah, and dragging anchors. but snapping an optical cable doesn't sound quite as scary as catching a 160MW feed [00:32] true [00:32] that's gotta be one hell of a breaker [00:33] haha yes === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [00:57] I hope any Ubuntu UK Glasgwegians are safe and okay [00:58] Glasgow is safe if you stay in the panic room. [01:21] what's going down up there? [01:22] too soon [01:24] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-25163045 [01:25] oh my [01:25] ty shauno [01:31] how long will it be before the conspiracy theorists spin it? [01:32] TOO SOON [01:34] that's a weird one to spin. there's much cheaper ways for the police to mess up a pub [01:35] but was it shot down? [01:35] not according to eye witnesses [01:35] ah. that could work. blame it on the Celtic supporters [01:36] St. Andrew's Day 'n' all [07:23] lol crazies http://consumerist.com/2013/11/29/here-are-some-videos-of-people-who-spent-thanksgiving-fighting-over-discounted-junk/ [07:59] mungbean: welcome to Murrica [08:00] In more serious news.. http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/nov/29/helicopter-crashes-roof-glasgow-pub [08:55] received my trainvouchers after the windy day last month [08:55] repaid£6.90 for the inconvenience [08:57] think i would rather have had a working train service for 2 days [09:14] gosh that helicopter crash looks scary [09:49] Morning all [10:17] http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/393053146/powerup-30-smartphone-controlled-paper-airplane [10:17] its hit 256K USD! [10:17] good morning everyone, [10:17] hiya [10:18] it's trending towards ~3 million [10:18] hiya === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [11:42] so that £40.90 that amazon sent me as a gift a while back, I just got an email saying it was for affiliate revenue as expected [11:42] cool [11:44] how does affiliate revenue work? [11:45] can you ask a more specific question? [11:46] what is 'affiliate revenue' [11:46] penguin42: It's money you make when people buy things after clicking a link to (in this case) Amazon on your site [11:47] ahha [12:43] http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/25155998 [12:43] "Dappy kicked in face by horse" [13:50] happy to not have a clue who dappy is \o/ [13:51] i only know because of buzzcocks [13:52] maybe the horse heard about what he did those those girls [14:00] haha http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1545592703/baba-invisible-panties [14:00] worst idea *ever* [14:01] the empress' new panties? [14:03] http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cchu/palette-a-freeform-interface-that-controls-any-sof is neat [14:03] i considered making a thing like that in the past [14:04] that looks shiny [14:05] * MartijnVdS is trying to get raspbian onto an SD card [14:05] that part works [14:05] popey, I'd dispute the sexiness of that thing. [14:05] However, after installing, it doesn't install a kernel [14:05] For one thing, it looks like a female jock strap. [14:18] ewww [14:18] nasty [14:27] what, no kernel? [14:33] i just clicked on the invisble panties link [14:37] mungbean: That'll teach you to click on random untrusted links, especially when they're posted by very dodgy users :) [14:37] i was intrigued by invisible panties [14:38] should have thought about it reallly [14:38] Its called going commando isn't [14:39] No doubt their next idea will be a version for Scotsmen to wear under their kilts [14:43] DJones: blasphemy [14:43] :) [14:44] I know they're not supposed to wear anything, but 1) It gets cold in Scotland in winter and 2) I'm not getting close enough to check anyway [17:27] the backdrop to this paper looks very ubuntu-esque http://speri.dept.shef.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/SPERI-Paper-No.6-The-UKs-Innovation-Deficit-and-How-to-Repair-it-PDF-1131KB.pdf [19:07] greetings everyone [19:07] greetings, earthling :) [19:07] mungbean: that it does! [19:32] * penguin42 was walking around a very large busy shopping centre this afternoon (trafford centre) - noticed the phone shops were quite empty [19:33] evening all [19:37] evening [19:38] How are you alan? ok for me to lurk in your irc meeting? [19:47] sure [19:47] ta! [19:59] AlanBell: #ubuntu-irc ? [20:00] ignore that [20:01] #ubuntu-meeting [20:01] yeah i read the email properly lol [20:03] http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HS-021-PL Read the description. [20:14] AlanBell: change the rule about ubuntu members and i'll run ;) [20:16] I can't [20:17] i'm teasing chap ;) [20:20] Check out this fanless heatsink: http://www.quietpc.com/images/products/nof-cr-100a-installed-large.jpg [20:21] GentileBen: Nice! [20:22] looks like an old style slide projector [20:23] bah, it's discontinued [20:23] guaranteeing you'll never get heat issues - mostly because you'll never plug any RAM in as it won't fit :< [20:23] AlanBell: Beeep [20:24] ah, they tweeked it a little; http://www.quietpc.com/nof-icepipe [20:25] bit on the pricey side [20:25] wow. [20:25] yeah i bet all that metal adds u [20:25] p [20:31] It only supports 80W/95W CPUs it seems. [20:32] 'only' - i'd fear pushing a 65W'er :D [20:32] I guess that rules out the FX-9590. 220W of egg-cooking power. [20:32] Yes that's right - AMD released a 220W CPU which struggles to keep up with Intel's 84W CPUs. [20:33] oh how i wish they were decent again :( [20:36] They've given up on the high-end. [20:36] And the mid-range. [20:36] AMD CPUs are only good for budget gaming systems. [20:37] i haven't bought anything of theirs since an Athlon64 for a client - i doubt i ever will again too :( [20:37] * MartijnVdS wonders what to do with his rpi [20:37] \list haskell [20:37] daftykins, they fired all of their best engineers. [20:37] martsbradley: wrong / [20:37] GentileBen: due to money woes? :( [20:37] sorry [20:38] np :) [20:38] I don't accept your apology martsbradley. [20:39] daftykins, they had cashflow problems and they ended up having to fire people just to stay financially healthy. [20:39] The firing of all their best engineers + the move to automated transistor placement (which resulted in 15% bigger dies) really hurt their CPU performance. [20:40] =/ [20:40] Not to mention they spun off their fab business, and bought ATI (whose engineers were still secretly collaborating with Intel after the purchase). [20:40] GentileBen: I'm not sure it's just that - the FinFet stuff Intel already has puts them a good 20% ahead on what they can do per W, and everyone else is just playing catch up [20:41] FinFET doesn't necessarily mean smaller sized features. [20:41] A month or so ago, it was revealed the whole nanometer thing is completely arbitrary. 28nm parts aren't 28nm, and 130nm parts weren't 130nm. [20:42] They just name them like that to indicate a progression. [20:42] So TSMC's "new" 22nm node? Same feature size as their existing 28nm node. [20:42] Their purported 16nm node also seems to have the same feature sizes... [20:42] THE MORE YOU KNOW [20:43] * GentileBen whooshes stars past penguin42 [20:44] so it doesn't indicate an average transistor size at all? [20:44] not size but spacing [20:44] Nope. [20:44] No relationship to any physical features. It's like a model name. [20:44] that's really disappointing [20:45] I can't find the link, but it was earth-shattering. [20:48] GentileBen: Oh they've been playing that game for years [20:49] GentileBen: I think it was fairly real until at least 90nm [20:49] possibly a bit smaller [20:49] Apparently not. [20:49] It's just a number they pluck out which is "roughly" correct. [20:49] anyone fancy playing tetrinet? [20:49] GentileBen: But finfets at the same feature size gets a lot in terms of power usage [20:50] GentileBen: At one point it was actually a feature size, and then they started doing odd things to the shapes of transistors so it didn't quite fit so they started messing about, so yeh it was a 'roughly' at about 130nm/90nm - now it's very arbitrary [20:52] GentileBen: But it's all quite silly now anyway because they're trying to make features on chips using light of many times the wavelength of the feature size [20:53] They should just optimise the feature placement for Bitcoin mining. [20:56] penguin42: http://spectrum.ieee.org/semiconductors/devices/the-status-of-moores-law-its-complicated [20:56] ^source [20:56] " The term “0.35-µm node” actually meant something. But around that same time, the link between performance and node name began to break down. " [20:58] shrug - their graph shows at 90nm it wasn't far off [20:59] GentileBen: But either way - that's why the presence of a feature like finfets is more important than the number [21:04] ch4, docu on video games, :) [21:06] brobostigon: ooooh [21:06] MartijnVdS: missing it? [21:07] brobostigon: well i'm almost done watching This Is It [21:07] MartijnVdS: ah. [21:10] brobostigon: qixl in 20 min on bbc [21:14] MartijnVdS: yep :) [21:27] hey, Gary Whitta.. he;s on the tested.com podcast often :) [23:47] help [23:47] connect === liam_ is now known as Guest34922 [23:48] lp [23:48] help [23:49] gibba.nu [23:51] wow my mate just messaged me uncharacteristically late to say that there's a bug in Apple Time Machine that prevented his dad's lappy being backed up since several months ago [23:52] not all is well in Apple land ;) [23:52] fun [23:52] it claims it's backing everything up fine inside the OS, but if you go to restore, it'll be ages out of date [23:52] did it tell him? [23:53] nah he only realised through doing a drive swap for his dad [23:53] if you were nuking the OS, followed by going to install Mavericks - it would be game over [23:53] I manage to break it on mine quite often, but it starts nagging that it's been unable to backup [23:53] nah apparently even manual 'back up now' choices don't do it [23:54] it just lies! D: [23:59] I keep hitting a problem with stale locks on mine - particularly when the network to the NAS is interupted