[05:22] <Kilos> morning superfly and others
[05:36] <Kilos> hi not_found 
[05:53] <superfly> hi Kilos 
[06:03] <magespawn> good day all
[06:05] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[06:06] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[06:06] <magespawn> how is it going?
[06:15] <Kilos> good ty magespawn and by you?
[06:15] <Kilos> sometime you can tell me about the lekker wifi stuff you playing with
[06:25] <magespawn> hectic, time is moving too quickly at the moment
[06:25] <Kilos> yeah
[06:25] <magespawn> i can show you the links for most of the hadrware
[06:25] <Kilos> time and tide wait for no man
[06:26] <magespawn> hardware too
[06:26] <Kilos> lol
[06:38] <magespawn> http://www.engeniustech.com/business-networking/outdoor-access-points-client-bridges/16751-ens202ext
[06:39] <magespawn> this is one of the outdoor wifi points we are going to be putting up next week sometime
[06:50] <Kilos> does it get wired in or use battery and wireless for everything
[07:06] <kbmonkey> hi inetpro - yes I can run the show, and yes I would appreciate it if you can make an announce - thank you!
[07:06] <Maaz> kbmonkey: By the way, Trixar_za on freenode told me "tell kbmonkey to check out http://trixarian.net/atrk-bu2.zip to my experimentation with auto-trackering" 10 hours, 33 minutes and 9 seconds ago
[07:07] <kbmonkey> yes maaz I know thanks ;)
[07:08] <kbmonkey> morning Kilos 
[07:08] <Kilos> hi there kbmonkey 
[07:08] <Kilos> the pro shopping or something
[07:09] <Kilos> he gets here late on saterdays
[07:09] <kbmonkey> ah I need to go shopping too soon
[07:09] <Kilos> do it
[07:09] <Kilos> good if everyone shops same time
[07:10] <Kilos> saves on scroll backs
[07:11] <kbmonkey> shopping can wait for my coffee :]
[07:11] <Kilos> lol
[07:11] <kbmonkey> but soon before it gets too hot
[07:11] <kbmonkey> cos I walk to the shops
[07:11] <Kilos> ah
[07:12] <Kilos> run there and walk back
[07:16] <magespawn> Kilos there is a POE injector and port on the access point
[07:18] <Kilos> what do you use for the cams all over the park
[07:19] <magespawn> that is Power Over Ethernet, a system for providing power over network cable
[07:19] <Kilos> you have them dont you to watch animals etc
[07:19] <Kilos> ok
[07:19] <magespawn> the only cameras are cctv ones at the moment, in the main areas of the lodge
[07:19] <magespawn> that is an idea for the future
[07:20] <magespawn> they only have remote camera traps at the moment that you have to go to get the pictures
[07:24] <Kilos> l ask ian when he comes online. i think they just installed cams all over some game park
[07:25] <Kilos> good to see poachers and catch them 
[07:42] <kbmonkey> Trixar_za, thanks for that music gen script, that is very interesting!
[08:55] <fahadash> Hi Room
[08:55] <fahadash> Anybody from South Africa ?
[08:58] <charl> hi fahadash 
[08:58] <fahadash> Hi,
[08:59] <charl> hi kbmonkey, magespawn, Kilos 
[08:59] <fahadash> I am writing a paper on Speech 2 Text technology. I heard from someone that South African english has weird sounds that are made not through tongue and they are represented using separate characters
[08:59] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[08:59]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[08:59] <fahadash> Is that true ?
[09:00] <charl> fahadash: i grew up in south africa and i have absolutely no idea what you are talking about
[09:00] <Kilos> hi fahadash 
[09:00] <charl> fahadash: that does not make it true or untrue though
[09:00] <Kilos> hi charl 
[09:01] <fahadash> So there is no clicking sounds made in the South African english ?
[09:01] <charl> no that sounds like xhosa/zulu or khoi/san languages
[09:01] <charl> not south african english
[09:01] <fahadash> I heard some dialects of english up there have adopted those xhosa/zulu stuff
[09:01] <charl> sotho/tswana/venda do not have those sounds either afaik
[09:02] <fahadash> Specially names of people have those sounds
[09:02] <charl> fahadash: languages are commonly mixed in south africa so that sounds correct
[09:02] <charl> but that hardly qualifies as a dialect
[09:02] <charl> and when it comes to people's names, well then logically yes
[09:02] <charl> but to classify that under "south african english" sounds wrong
[09:02] <fahadash> Ok . Let me ask you this
[09:03] <charl> it's like if you are a english speaker living in japan, the ability to pronounce japanese names does not create a new dialect
[09:03] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[09:03] <charl> Maaz: thanks !
[09:03] <Maaz> charl: Okay :-)
[09:04] <Kilos> hmm...
[09:04] <fahadash> Say you have a guy named , (iono,) say Dav!id and it is pronounced Dav[click]ed, And you have Dav!id in your iphone's contact list. Now you want to ask siri to call Mr Dav!id, You do that by saying "Call Dav[click]ed", would SIRI understand ?
[09:05] <charl> i don't use siri so i have no idea how intelligent it is
[09:05] <charl> that would depend on how it's implemented
[09:06] <fahadash> Have you ever used or heard of any speech2-text technology being used in your country that involves zulu words/names ?
[09:06] <charl> in south africa? i don't live there but i have not heard of it
[09:06] <fahadash> Where do you live? If you dont mind me asking
[09:06] <charl> the netherlands
[09:07] <Kilos> xhosa doesnt make an x sound thats kinda like a click sound
[09:07] <fahadash> You guys play baseball like game of cricket right ?
[09:07] <Kilos> the x sound is a snap of the tongue off the roof of the mouth
[09:08] <Kilos> fahadash, where are you?
[09:08] <fahadash> Kilos, Just curious; how do you yell with that kind of sounds (like click etc)
[09:08] <charl> whahaha good question
[09:08] <charl> just make a harder click i guess
[09:09] <Kilos> lol yeah 
[09:09] <fahadash> Like if you have to yell at Dav!id, "FFFF- YOU DAAAVVEE[*CLICK*]EEEDD"
[09:09] <charl> lol ja
[09:09] <charl> that sounds hilarious
[09:09] <fahadash> You never heard of somebody yelling and clicking hard ?
[09:10] <Kilos> you like hold the sound back with your tongue against the roof of your mouthand as it snaps loose the sound must follow the click
[09:10] <charl> fahadash you are busy with some study of dialects? if i may ask
[09:10] <charl> oh you're researching speech 2 text right?
[09:10] <fahadash> Kilos, Historically speaking; People on this network hate people from where I am from; so I try to associate myself to my parent's middle-easter background
[09:10] <Kilos> i cant think of a click in the middle of david
[09:11] <charl> yeah that doesn't sound right
[09:11] <Kilos> normally click is at the strat of a work
[09:11] <charl> fahadash: we don't hate anyone here based on their country of origin, that would be terrible
[09:11] <Kilos> start
[09:12] <fahadash> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Click_consonant
[09:12] <Kilos> fahadash, try find the click song 
[09:12] <charl> hacker ethics don't judge people based on their background
[09:12] <fahadash> I am just writing a paper on Text 2 Speech technology, specifically the international aspect of it
[09:12] <fahadash> In USA its pretty easily implemented and practical
[09:13] <charl> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Mwh9z58iAU
[09:13] <Kilos> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onBLru8SfOk
[09:14] <charl> yup that's the better version
[09:14] <charl> hahahahaha it has been a long time since i heard it
[09:14] <Kilos> hehe
[09:15] <fahadash> Hey the word 'Xhosa' starts with a click
[09:15] <charl> yes
[09:15] <fahadash> Say if you have to yell somebody saying 'QUIT SPEAKING XHOSA HERE!!! YOU MORON', how would you yell the clicking part ?
[09:16] <charl> i'm off have a good day all
[09:16] <fahadash> hahahahahahaha
[09:16] <fahadash> -click-click-click- in xhosa means Adams Apple
[09:17] <fahadash> With language like that who needs musical instruments lol
[09:18] <Kilos> lol
[09:19] <Kilos> later charl 
[09:20] <Kilos> rather than try yell , walk up to the person and then do your click bit
[09:20] <fahadash> Well, sometimes a mother has to yell at child that could involve clicks
[09:21] <fahadash> "YOU KEEP YOUR HANDS OFF THAT COOKIE JAR, OR I WILL SLAP YOU IN THE ADAMS APPLE"
[09:21] <fahadash> oh by saying adams apple, I meant click-click-click
[09:22] <magespawn> i have just asked, apparently native speakers of the language manage to click louder
[09:22] <Kilos> who did you ask?
[09:22] <fahadash> by the way, Are there any bad words in xhosa/zulu ?
[09:22] <Kilos> must be
[09:23] <fahadash> I mean the bad words with clicks, I wonder if you have to bleep them out for radio/tv transmissions
[09:23] <magespawn> some of the people i work with, one is xhosa
[09:23] <fahadash> You probably don't need to bleep them, they already have clicks
[09:23] <Kilos> there arent clicks in every word
[09:23] <fahadash> I am saying  *if* there is a bad wordd with a click
[09:24] <fahadash> Like the F-Word might be click-click
[09:24] <fahadash> click-click you
[09:24] <fahadash> I mean not you, sorry
[09:24] <fahadash> Didn't put that in quotes
[09:24] <Kilos> np
[09:25] <fahadash> Ok, can I ask you a question. Since I have watched those two videos that charl shared
[09:25] <fahadash> If you dont mind me asking this
[09:26] <Kilos> ask
[09:26] <fahadash> Is there only black people who speak those languages with clicks and have names with clicks ?
[09:26] <Kilos> yes
[09:26] <fahadash> And white people never learn those languages or never learn to pronounce those names properly ?
[09:27] <Kilos> that wikipedia link gives the few times the click is used in english
[09:28] <Kilos> whites here learned english and afrikaans at school and some did german as 3rd language
[09:28] <Kilos> peeps that grew up on farms can speek the black language of the area they are in
[09:29] <Kilos> but nowadays one can choose what languages to learn at school i think
[09:29] <magespawn> you can learn any language you like, some are harder and some of it depends on where you live and grow up
[09:29] <fahadash> How big is that country by the way ? Can you see all of that in one day by driving around ?
[09:29] <magespawn> no way
[09:29] <fahadash> I heard its smaller than the size of florida
[09:30] <Kilos> almost big enough to have 2 time jones
[09:30] <Kilos> zones
[09:30] <fahadash> Actually I might be travelling to Johannesburg
[09:30] <fahadash> Florida has 2 time zones too
[09:30] <Kilos> http://www.nationsencyclopedia.com/Africa/South-Africa-LOCATION-SIZE-AND-EXTENT.html
[09:31] <fahadash> It sucks, I used to deliver pizza right at the timezone border of florida... I am always late when I didnt think I was
[09:31] <Kilos> hehe
[09:32] <fahadash> Well, I check CIA factbook website for country information, its mostly accurate
[09:32] <fahadash> https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/sf.html
[09:32] <fahadash> The good thing about it is, they have collected *every* possible detail about every country at one place
[09:33] <fahadash> Ok, I was wrong about the area
[09:33] <fahadash> on that page it says. "slightly less than twice the size of Texas"
[09:33] <fahadash> Texas is huge state, so south africa might be big too
[09:34] <fahadash> Kilos, Is the interstate driving easy up there ?
[09:34] <Kilos> yeah
[09:35] <fahadash> Well it was nice chatting with you South African fellow
[09:35] <Kilos> ok have a good day
[09:35] <fahadash> Once approved, I might be travelling and walking down the streets asking South Africans to talk to SIRI on my iphone
[09:35] <fahadash> I will see how it goes
[09:36] <Kilos> when you need to learn about ubuntu/linux come back
[09:36] <fahadash> Debian-linux is one of the target platform we are going to be working with. So yeah there's some ubuntu involved I guess
[09:36] <fahadash> oh by the way, there isn't any chat room where I can meet south africans ?
[09:38] <Kilos> http://www.chat2me.co.za/coolirc.php
[09:38] <magespawn> most of the people here are south africans, and resident or expat
[09:38] <Kilos> i dont do chatrooms but there must be more
[09:38] <fahadash> magespawn, I know; I would love to talk more about south african culture here... But I am afraid of the topic-police
[09:39] <fahadash> I would love to stick to the topic strictly, but I am not finding very many places to chat with south africans
[09:39] <Kilos> Maaz, google south african irc chat rooms
[09:39] <Maaz> Kilos: "CHAT 27 - Free Chat Rooms South Africa - No Registration Required" http://www.chat27.co.za/ :: "ZAnet" http://www.zanet.org.za/ :: "Cool IRC Chat on Chat2Me - Free Chat Rooms for South Africa" http://www.chat2me.co.za/coolirc.php :: "A Comprehensive List of South African Chat Rooms on IRC and The ..."
[09:39] <Maaz> http://www.chatmag.com/topics/nations/africa/southafrica.html :: "irc.ac.za - EFnet - The Original IRC Network" http://www.efnet.org/?module=serv…
[09:39] <fahadash> Maaz ?
[09:40] <Kilos> a bot
[11:49] <Kilos> hmm...
[11:49] <Kilos> lost and found are here
[11:50] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn 
[11:50] <nlsthzn> o/
[11:58] <nlsthzn> o/ again in case uncle Kilos missed the first one
[11:58] <nlsthzn> or is that uncle Kilos- ?
[11:59] <Kilos-> its me neelsie. just changed sims
[11:59] <Kilos-> i gotta learn to remember the ghost command
[12:00] <nlsthzn> how are you uncle Kilos?
[12:08] <Kilos> well ty nlsthzn and you lad
[12:09] <Kilos> having a lazy day thinking about building a wifi yagi
[12:09] <nlsthzn> always good thanks :)
[12:09] <Kilos> planning rather
[12:10] <Kilos> gonna use an old tv aerials boom and keys from old keyboard as mounting and insulation blocks
[12:12] <nlsthzn> sounds interesting
[12:12] <Kilos> lol will take a pic when finished and if it works over 7 ks
[12:12] <Kilos> if not then remake from 20 element to 40 element
[12:13] <Kilos> found wonderful aerial design tool. hams today have it easy
[12:27] <nlsthzn> take many photo's as the project unfolds to share online eventually
[12:30] <Kilos> im following http://www.ab9il.net/wlan-projects/wifi6.html
[12:31] <Kilos> but wood will warp if it gets wet so trying to make a stronger one
[12:31] <Kilos> not trying doing methinks
[13:47] <charl> has anyone here have been having problems with your email being flagged as spam by outlook/gmail
[13:47] <charl> i'm using hetzner germany as my hosting provider, i wonder if it might be related to their ip range
[13:47] <charl> cause my mail server seems to be configured perfectly
[13:47] <charl> that's according to mxtoolbox in any case, and i'm not on any spam list either
[13:59] <Kilos> i had 5 wrongly marked as spam from the dbnlug guys
[14:00] <kbmonkey> hello
[14:00] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey 
[14:01] <kbmonkey> is your email being flagged in other's mailboxes charl ?
[14:01] <kbmonkey> hi Kilos & charl 0/
[14:02] <Kilos> ooo other gmail has 55 spams
[14:02] <charl> kbmonkey: yes
[14:03] <charl> kbmonkey: when i send mail to somebody on gmail or hotmail
[14:03] <charl> well it's now called outlook.com
[14:04] <kbmonkey> ja they just have to add your addresss to their white list
[14:04] <kbmonkey> normally just by adding you to the address book
[14:06] <charl> this is in cases where i was simply replying on a mail sent by them in the first place
[14:06] <charl> or in the gmail case, in the hotmail case i was mailing them and the mail got rejected out right
[14:06] <charl> i got a bounce message
[14:06] <charl> which is actually better than getting flagged as spam, because at least then i know
[14:07] <charl> i don't like these providers... they are acting almost like a mafia now
[14:07] <charl> if you don't make use of their services like a puppet you are outside the "safe circle" and everything you send either gets bounced or flagged as spam
[14:08] <kbmonkey> I see you dont have any links or a email sig, ya I see no reason they should reject your emails :/
[14:10] <charl> yup nothing
[14:10] <charl> you see what i mean
[14:10] <charl> something is up with these guys
[14:11] <kbmonkey> eish. ja just tell your gmail friends to add your address to their address book. that solves gmail. 
[14:11] <kbmonkey> I cannot say why hotmail behaves like that
[14:12] <kbmonkey> perhaps someone did some heavy spamming from the same IP range that hetzner germany uses
[14:14] <kbmonkey> meybe tell hetzner, could be an issue they need to know about
[14:27] <magespawn> later all home time
[14:27] <kbmonkey> later!
[14:37] <charl> yeah that's a good idea to take up contact with them
[15:17] <Kilos> oooweee http://wifiantenna.wordpress.com/helical-antennas/
[15:31] <Kilos> inetpro, ping
[15:31] <kbmonkey> pong
[15:32] <Kilos> haha
[15:32] <Kilos> we were looking for what 061 numbers were, ive just seen my new telkom sim is an 061 number
[15:57] <Kilos> wbb
[16:42] <superfly> kbmonkey: I'm trying out a vegie potjie
[16:43] <superfly> kbmonkey: http://instagram.com/p/hWBRO8s_rB/
[17:00] <charl> wb Kilos 
[17:01] <Kilos> ty charl 
[17:23] <inetpro> good evening
[17:24] <inetpro> superfly: where's the fire?
[17:24] <charl> hi inetpro 
[17:24] <inetpro> h charl
[17:26] <inetpro> Kilos: pong
[17:27] <Kilos> haha
[17:27] <Kilos> 061 is the telkom sims
[17:27] <Kilos> the new ones anyway
[17:30] <inetpro> Kilos: but we figured that already
[17:30] <Kilos> oh good man inetpro 
[17:30] <inetpro> Kilos: but in fact some of the 061 numbers are cellc
[17:30] <Kilos> im just verifying
[17:30] <Kilos> wow
[17:31] <inetpro> 0614xxx is telkom
[17:31] <inetpro> if it's not ported
[17:32] <Kilos> ok
[17:32] <Kilos> oh ya i see that
[17:56] <superfly> inetpro: under the pot, it's small
[17:56] <superfly> doesn't need to be big, just needs to burn for a long time (in other words, I replaced that wood so many times)
[18:22] <inetpro> superfly: nice job, looks tasty!
[18:23] <inetpro> kbmonkey: topic potjiekos
[18:23] <inetpro> oops, he's not a bot?
[18:25] <charl> lol
[18:32] <Kilos> hehe
[19:07] <Kilos> hi grant_ 
[19:08] <grant_> hey Kilos
[19:09] <Kilos> hi cocooncrash hows things by you?
[19:09] <Kilos> when is our crash kid coming home?
[19:17] <Kilos> i go crash now night all. sleep tight