[00:00] <nevyn> TIBS02: is it optimus?
[00:03] <EMPHASIS_> Hi, what app can I use to capture screen actions to .avi or .mp4?
[00:03] <zykotick9> Sparkie: from the computer running the ssh server, can you "ssh localhost" successfully?
[00:06] <dondopa> SSH is good
[00:06] <dondopa>  but how do i copy things recursively without copying everything over using rsync?
[00:07] <zykotick9> dondopa: scp has a -r switch?
[00:07] <dondopa> Ok here is ascenario
[00:07] <dondopa> i use scp -r
[00:07] <dondopa> backup my files
[00:07] <dondopa> later i have 1 file that is new to the old backup
[00:07] <nevyn> [TiZ]: is it optimus?
[00:08] <[TiZ]> nevyn: Yes, it is.
[00:08] <dondopa> how do i add that 1new file to the old backup without copying everything over again?
[00:08] <zykotick9> dondopa: for backup, rsync is better...
[00:08] <dondopa> exactly
[00:08] <dondopa> so how do you do it inrsync?
[00:08] <nevyn> [TiZ]: so. the hdmi is probably not connected to the intel.
[00:09] <zykotick9> dondopa: i think -u is update... but check the rsync man page?
[00:09] <dondopa> ok
[00:09] <dondopa> thx
[00:10] <zykotick9> dondopa: fyi, rsync can use ssh... and be careful if you use the delete option (learned that the hard way)
[00:10] <[TiZ]> nevyn: Oh... I see. :/
[00:10] <dondopa> oh dam..
[00:10] <EMPHASIS_> can anyone recommend a desktop capture program to produce e.g. .avi or .mp4?
[00:10] <nevyn> TIBS02: it's probably connected to the nvidia
[00:10] <nevyn> [TiZ]:
[00:11] <nevyn> TIBS02: so sorry ;)
[00:11] <nevyn> [TiZ]: 11:17 < zykotick9> dondopa: for backup, rsync is better...
[00:11] <nevyn> wat?
[00:11] <[TiZ]> Huh?
[00:11] <nevyn> [TiZ]: so bumblebee can I think deal with this
[00:11] <dondopa> you have a problem with rsync sucka?
[00:12] <nevyn> but the right answer is the stuff David Arlie is working on.
[00:12] <[TiZ]> nevyn: I am currently using bumblebee. I might need some trickery to detect whether the HDMI is plugged in or not, and then actually using it when I run games..
[00:12] <[TiZ]> You mean the stuff airlied has been working on since forever?
[00:14] <EMPHASIS_> desktop capture! anyone recomend an app?
[00:14] <wolfspy> sometimes my computer freezes while playing java game minecraft with openjdk 7, after about 20 seconds it unfreezes. The whole desktop freezes, if im playing a video on the other moniter it freezes too but the sound dosent. Anyone know what's wrong?
[00:14] <wolfspy> http://pastebin.com/5yJDf7sz here is my system info
[00:16] <EMPHASIS_> ------------------------------------------------------- desktop capture -- can someone recommend an app? PLEASE? -----------------------------------------
[00:17] <n000b> How can i remove and reload a kernel module? rmmod and modprobe does NOT work...
[00:17] <DuncanNZ> EMPHASIS_: don't spam. your question should be: "Can anyone recommend a desktop capture app?"
[00:17] <DuncanNZ> EMPHASIS_: and recordmydesktop works well for me
[00:18] <EMPHASIS_> DuncanNZ -- thank-you . BFN
[00:18] <n000b> Can i somehow FORCE the kernel to trash a module that is claimed to be in use?
[00:19] <piotr26> EMPHASIS : Just click Print screen. That's all what you need to do
[00:19] <bekks> n000b: which module?
[00:19] <n000b> bekks dvb_core and drxk
[00:21] <komerdoor> /nick <naam>
[00:21] <jmgk> hi komerdoor
[00:21] <n000b> bekks i wanted to reload drxk because i provided the .fw file for my usb tuner to work    http://paste.ubuntu.com/6496791/
[00:22] <nevyn> [TiZ]: specifically the stuff to replace xinerama and handle usb video adapters and stuff.
[00:22] <coventry> wolfspy: In a terminal, monitor the process's memory usage with "top".  Press "m" to sort the processes by memory.
[00:22] <nevyn> [TiZ]: which he spoke about in january at LCA
[00:22] <[TiZ]> nevyn: How far along is it?
[00:23] <wolfspy> coventry: should I do it while the game is open?
[00:23] <coventry> wolfspy: Run the terminal in the window where said you watch the video.
[00:23] <wolfspy> coventry: I dont think the video is the problem, it happens without the video
[00:23] <coventry> wolfspy: Sorry, read that as how should you do it.  Yes, while the game is open.
[00:24] <wolfspy> coventry: java is taking up 102 cpu and 6.9 mem
[00:24] <andywojo> Use nmon instead of top.. top stinks. http://packages.debian.org/sid/utils/nmon
[00:24] <coventry> wolfspy: Keep monitoring it until the symptoms reappear.
[00:24] <wolfspy> oops
[00:24] <wolfspy> sorry
[00:24] <wolfspy> coventry: okj
[00:25] <nevyn> [TiZ]: well it was working code I don't know if it got merged tho
[00:25] <n000b> bekks nvm got it, had to unload em28xx_dvb then drxk then reload in backwards order, worked now
[00:25] <zykotick9> don't install debian packages on ubuntu... that's silly.  htop is a good top alternative.
[00:25] <andywojo> Haha why not?
[00:25] <[TiZ]> That's cool. usb monitors didn't work well for me for two years; I needed it for my work computer. I ended up just getting a card that can run 3 heads.
[00:26] <Guest63526> Hello, can someone help me mount a zfs pool using Native-ZFS?
[00:26] <zykotick9> andywojo: 'cause they aren't created for use on ubuntu - they'll have different dependencies...
[00:27] <andywojo> True, that's a possibility - but I know that it works fairly well
[00:27] <zykotick9> !wfm | andywojo just don't suggest it to others then...
[00:28] <jmgk> hi all
[00:28] <andywojo> Ah okay
[00:28] <andywojo> Well, it looks like there is a ubuntu specific one: apt-get install nmon
[00:29] <zykotick9> andywojo: thanks though, i hadn't seen nmon before... probably won't replace htop for me - but good to know about.
[00:29] <Guest63526> Anyone use Native-ZFS much?
[00:29] <jmgk> nope Guest63526
[00:29] <coventry> nmon looks slick, but basically useless for wolfspy's issue without further instructions on how to set it up.
[00:29] <nevyn> [TiZ]: what laptop is it?
[00:30] <andywojo> It's born from AIX.. I like it better than nmon, because it exports nicely to CSV whereas I don't think htop does.
[00:30] <bekks> Guest63526: I am using native zfs, but not on Ubuntu. And I never heard of Native-ZFS.
[00:30] <andywojo> better than htop*
[00:30] <[TiZ]> nevyn: Asus G46VW
[00:30] <coventry> andywojo: Yeah, that's completely irrelevant to the problem at hand.
[00:30] <bekks> andywojo: the AIX guys never heard of sar then ;)
[00:31] <Guest63526> Sorry, I wasn't trying to be specific I couldn't remember exactly it's name
[00:31] <andywojo> Well he could let it run in the background and wait for the problem to come up. Can't do that with htop :)
[00:31] <andywojo> Ew. Sar.
[00:32] <Guest63526> I *think* I installed it correctly, but zpool etc just suggest I install zfs fuse
[00:33] <adam_> Hello
[00:34] <picca> hi adam_
[00:34] <hassen> hello
[00:40] <gssh> how much memory does my graphics board have?
[00:41] <gssh> in other words, how do i tell how much...?
[00:45] <BlackDalek> Is it possible to configure ubuntu so that when it starts, the user only has the option to run 3 specific applications and no access to any other programs or settings?
[00:47] <adam_> BlackDalek, Like a restricted shell? If so try rssh..
[00:49] <BlackDalek> adam_, "rssh"... is that a command, an app, a gui or what?
[00:49] <adam_> BlackDalek, This also might be helpful http://tombuntu.com/index.php/2008/05/27/how-to-lock-down-gnome/
[00:52] <BlackFlag> Good evening, people! I don't know what I did that i'm not able to resize windows
[00:52] <adam_> BlackDalek, I would use pessulus if your trying to lock down a desktop environment and rssh if your trying to lock down a command shell
[00:53] <nevyn> TIBS02:
[00:54] <zykotick9> BlackFlag: perhaps you should state what DE/WM you are currently using... PS. I'm not help, so don't both including my nick in reply ;)  best of luck.
[00:54] <zykotick9> s/I'm not/I'm no/
[01:00] <adam_> Today I got rid of Windows 7 and installed Ubuntu over it so now I just have Ubuntu and Slackware on my computer.. It will be interesting to see how this turns out...
[01:07] <hassen> what is the "super key" in ubuntu
[01:08] <zykotick9> hassen: "windows key", poorly named IMO
[01:08] <DuncanNZ> zykotick9: do you think "windows key" or "super key" is the poor name?
[01:09] <zykotick9> DuncanNZ: well.. both i guess ;)  but calling the windows key, "super" is my main issue
[01:09] <DuncanNZ> but it's not the windows key just because most computers have a windows symbol on it
[01:09] <DuncanNZ> on macs the "super key" is the command key
[01:09] <gassho> how do you tell how much memory your graphics board gots?
[01:09] <DuncanNZ> and also some people would object if Linux called it by "windows"
[01:10] <gassho> in ubuntu 13.10
[01:11] <zykotick9> gassho: an example using lspci at http://paste.ubuntu.com/6496916/
[01:11] <zykotick9> DuncanNZ: i think it's that objection that led to "super key" ;)
[01:12] <dooglus> I just rebooted and my touchpad stopped working.  is there something I can run to reinitialise it?
[01:13] <DuncanNZ> zykotick9: yeah :) I for one would object if I saw names of a competing proprietary software company written in my open source OS
[01:15] <crankharder> every time I boot with kernel 3.8.0-33, I get dumped to an (initramfs) shell.  I can boot into 3.8.0-29 fine though.  How can I debug what's wrong with .33?
[01:16] <dooglus> also, any tab that uses flash now says "oh snap" in chromium.  any fix for this?
[01:16] <dooglus> I upgraded the chromium-browser package
[01:16] <dooglus> that's maybe when all the trouble started
[01:16] <bekks> dooglus: Did you restart Chromium?
[01:16] <dooglus> yeah.  and rebooted
[01:16] <dooglus> that's when the touchpad quit
[01:18] <dooglus> I was trying to save bankwidth until I can get a proper Internet connection.  currently using the data plan on my phone, which is expensive.  so I just "apt-get upgrade chromium-browser" rather than less it download the full 500 MB of packages it wanted to get
[01:18] <dooglus> bandwidth*
[01:20] <crankharder> where are the kernelb oot options in 12.04?  what used to be /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:20] <grache28> HI!
[01:21] <zykotick9> crankharder: check /etc/default/grub
[01:21] <grache28> Does anyone know a way to upgrade from 11.04 to something more current -- the system in question doesn't boot USB and I don't have access to a dvd drive atm
[01:21] <Sparkie> zykotick9: even when i ssh localhost, it prompts me for my PW, then it says permission denied, please try again
[01:22] <zykotick9> Sparkie: you aren't trying as root are you?
[01:22] <Sparkie> zykotick9: i am, and i changed the config to allow for root to use ssh. is that a bad idea? if so, why?
[01:23] <crankharder> zykotick9: dont think that's what I'm looking for.. I appear to have this problem, but i dont have a menu.lst file to edit... https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/busybox-initramfs-prevents-launch-of-ubuntu-server-8-04-3-a-758073/
[01:23] <zykotick9> Sparkie: that's stilly.  best of luck - i hope it all fails, and you continue getting denied.  don't reply to me further.
[01:23] <Sparkie> zykotick9: wow, harsh. thanks
[01:24] <dooglus> grache28: "apt-get"
[01:24] <zykotick9> crankharder: /etc/default/grub is the boot options for grub?  ahhh, 8.04 is WAY to old to be getting directions from!  that's grub-legacy, NOT grub2
[01:26] <crankharder> trying this solution now: http://www.proposedsolution.com/solutions/ubuntu-booting-to-initramfs-prompt/
[01:26] <crankharder> ...but it doesn't appear to offer a permanent fix
[01:27] <crankharder> not really sure how this happened to begin with... I formatted the SSD when I installed ubuntu. I never intended this box to be dual booted
[01:28] <dooglus> I did a full apt-get update && apt-get upgrade then rebooted.  and the touchpad still doesn't work
[01:29] <dooglus> fuck
[01:29] <daftykins> be careful of language please sir
[01:29] <crankharder> yea... from the initramfs prompt "mount /dev/sda1 /root" worked... how do I figure out how ubuntu is trying to mount /root?
[01:29] <dooglus> lsmod | grep mouse shows no output - pretty sure it used to list 'psmouse' or similar
[01:29] <dooglus> daftykins: it's ok, I'm all grown up
[01:30] <daftykins> not everyone here is, though (:
[01:30] <daftykins> be mindful of others
[01:30] <zykotick9> crankharder: just want to point out /root is root user's home directory not / filesystem...
[01:30] <overdrank> +1
[01:31] <ObrienDave> !language | dooglus
[01:31] <crankharder> zykotick9: well, this is completely wack:  1) boot machine, which drops me into an "(initramfs)" prompt 2) mount /dev/sda1 /root 3) continue -- boots fine.  explain that :/
[01:31] <dooglus> could it be related to the fglrx thingy?
[01:31] <zykotick9> crankharder: i can't, but you've basically chrooted to /root then?!?!
[01:32] <crankharder> zykotick9: but yea, i see your point.  and now that i'm in.  if I sudo up, there's nothign in /root
[01:32] <crankharder> zykotick9: hell if I know
[01:32] <crankharder> i've got this in fstab: "UUID=bc030b95-9901-4b54-a7e1-f0738655904c /               ext4    errors=remount-ro 0       1" -- whcih seems all normal
[01:33] <crankharder> gonna reboot and try w/o step #2 above
[01:33] <zykotick9> crankharder: have you verified that UUID is correct?  "sudo blkid" will show you.
[01:34] <crankharder> btw.. I *do* get the ubuntu loading screen prior to dropping to this initramfs prompt
[01:34] <crankharder> yea... wack.  just executing "exit" at this prompt fixes things
[01:35] <dooglus> I got the touchpad working again by running "sudo dpkg -i fglrx_13.101-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb fglrx-amdcccle_13.101-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb fglrx-dev_13.101-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb" and rebooting.  weird.  it WAS an fglrx issue
[01:35] <crankharder> zykotick9: and yes, the UUID in /etc/fstab correctly matches one of the drives from 'blkid'
[01:35] <daftykins> AMD for you
[01:37] <crankharder> meh 'exit' fixes this... this is gonna have to bug me a *lot* more to debug any further.  I dont turn this thing off except for, erm, lightning.
[01:38] <Foxhoundz> My ISP upgraded to IPv6
[01:38] <Foxhoundz> and now apt-get is broken
[01:38] <Foxhoundz> it's trying to resolve an IPv6 address and it's not updating
[01:38] <wallzero> Greetings, is there a benefit to upgrading to Samba4 for filesharing or are the new features mostly geared towards active directory?
[01:41] <ironfoot495> Hello Guys:what software works best for  to make dvd's for blue ray and 1080p
[01:42] <ironfoot495> from torrent file also magnet.
[01:42] <daftykins> sorry, that isn't legal
[01:42] <daftykins> you will get no assistance here
[01:42] <ironfoot495> Does anyone know have tried everything I know?
[01:42] <daftykins> i'll bet that was a long list
[01:42] <SchrodingersScat> daftykins: can't download that big buck bunny thing and burn it?
[01:43] <daftykins> burning rabbits would be rude
[01:43] <SchrodingersScat> got me there
[01:43] <ObrienDave> only to the bunny
[01:43] <ironfoot495> Or shall I ask how do I burn video file for DVD players?
[01:43] <ObrienDave> same as any other ISO file
[01:44] <ironfoot495> even 1060p and blue ray video files?
[01:44] <ironfoot495> 1080p
[01:44] <ironfoot495> need help bad!!!
[01:45] <daftykins> and you're not going to get any
[01:45] <daftykins> as i just said :)
[01:45] <ObrienDave> SAME AS ANY OTHER ISO FILE
[01:45] <ironfoot495> ok
[01:45] <ObrienDave> oops, caps lock. ;))
[01:47] <ObrienDave> i hate when that happens ;))
[01:51] <danyelno18> sal
[01:52] <danyelno18> este cineva ?
[01:52] <roothorick> udevadm info is telling me "device node not found" when trying to query /dev/nvidia0 or /dev/nvidiactl
[01:52] <roothorick> am I to assume then they don't generate udev events and I need to set permissions some other way? And how?
[01:53] <danyelno18> pls can just vote here ? only one click on (Voteaza) here http://servere-cs.freakz.ro/cs_server-93.119.26.175-48503.html
[01:54] <xangua> danyelno18: please no spam ;)
[01:55] <zykotick9> roothorick: can i ask what you're trying to accomplish?
[01:55] <menujah> ola a todos
[01:56] <millerti_> Egad.  I reinstalled Ubuntu 13.10 because of various wonky things going on.  Now when I insert a CD, it gives me an error that it doesn't know about the rilesystem type iso9660.  How do I fix this?
[01:56] <roothorick> ...wait a second, those devfiles are already read-write
[01:56] <roothorick> so why is it failing to open the kernel driver
[01:56] <menujah> alguna persona me puede decir como hago para crear una pagina web desde ubuntu
[01:57] <ObrienDave> millerti_, try installing ubuntu-restricted-extras. it might help
[01:58] <millerti_> For mounting CDs?  Isn't iso9960 something that should be built into the kernel?
[01:58] <ObrienDave> yes, but it wont hurt to try
[01:58] <vantage> Hi, I just had a notice come up on boot that a drive in my raid array has failed and I have booted with the degraded raid array. What sort of diagnostics can I do to see the cause of the failure? SMART returns a pass for the drive
[01:59] <millerti_> Alright
[02:01] <bekks> vantage: dmesg
[02:01] <bekks> vantage: hdparm, smartctl -a in addition
[02:01] <vantage> bekks: Looking at that now. Any strings I should be looking for in there?
[02:02] <vantage> bekks: smartctl -a gave the drive an overall pass
[02:02] <bekks> vantage: whats an "overall pass"? Did you run a short/long selftest?
[02:02] <jmgk> hi all
[02:03] <millerti_> Did ubuntu deprecate virtual consoles?
[02:04] <vantage> bekks: SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED
[02:04] <jmgk> hey hassen_
[02:04] <vantage> bekks: full output here: http://pastebin.com/zEapBXMw
[02:04] <bekks> millerti_: what exactly are you refering to? PTY? VTY?
[02:04] <hassen_> hello jmgk
[02:05] <hassen_> given that e.g windows 7  gets the drivers for the machine without any help of manufacturer-made drivers,they are still yet useful to enhance the drivers' functionality,so i wondered about linux(like ubuntu),aren't there drivers for machines made for linux?like ubuntu
[02:06] <vantage> bekks: though it does list errors in there, I have no idea what they mean
[02:06] <millerti_> bekks: Alt+Ctrl+Fkey doesn't work in 13.10
[02:07] <bekks> vantage: that drive is going to fail soon. See lines 61, 64, 65, 70, 73, 75, 76, and especially 77.
[02:07] <vocx> hassen_, I don't understand your question? All drivers should come from the manufacturer.
[02:07] <zykotick9> hassen_: wait, you don't think manufacturers make driver for windows... that's funny.
[02:08] <bekks> vantage: And the errors shows at the end indicate it is already failing.
[02:08] <vantage> bekks: I figured as much. Can you explain how you can tell that from those lines?
[02:10] <vocx> hassen_, what you could argue is that there is no hardware manufacturer specifically catering towards the open source community. They would be able to make drivers for Linux, Windows, and just about anything else. Hardware always contains "secrets", patents and stuff, so that's the tricky part.
[02:11] <bekks> vantage: unrecoverable sectors mean: every harddisk has a bunch of sectors not visible for normal usage, since they are used for replacing failed sectors "silently". If these hidden sectors are used up, vital sectors start to fail. Thats when you should replace the drive immediately.
[02:11] <bekks> vantage: In addition, you have a lot of unrecoverable errors, etc. - thats when the drive starts to die.
[02:13] <vantage> bekks: I guess I'm just not seeing "unrecoverable" in the output, where are you seeing that?
[02:14] <bekks> vantage: line 77.
[02:14] <vantage> bekks: ah, uncorrectable and the value of 100?
[02:15] <hassen_> vocx, so that means ubuntu belongs to the open source community?
[02:15] <bekks> vantage: raw value 2.
[02:15] <bekks> hassen_: of course.
[02:15] <anchx> I am having troubles installing bcrypt on 12.04, python3.2 setup.py install is failing everytime, any idea?
[02:15] <zykotick9> hassen_: ahhh, ubuntu belongs to canonical.  bekks - there is no "community"
[02:16] <vantage> bekks: What does the 2 mean? 2 uncorrectable errors have occurred?
[02:16] <bekks> vantage: yes.
[02:16] <onca> fsck, why would a lvm partition scheme drop an entire luks partition and how do rescue it?!?
[02:17] <bekks> onca: lvm doesnt have partitions, lvm uses volumes. And you have done something to "drop" it. You can recover it from your full backup.
[02:17] <onca>  i dont have a full backup
[02:17] <vantage> bekks: Gotcha. As far as replacing the drive goes, is there a way to migrate to larger drives? Or would it be better to just build a new array and copy the data over?
[02:18] <bekks> onca: then you have no chance to recover.
[02:19] <bekks> vantage: that depends on your type of RAID, etc.
[02:19] <vantage> bekks: RAID 1, 2 drives
[02:19] <bekks> vantage: HW/SW RAID, etc.?
[02:19] <vantage> bekks: one of which has now failed :)
[02:19] <vantage> bekks: SW
[02:20] <bekks> vantage: dmraid/lvm/zfs?
[02:22] <vantage> bekks: lvm, not dmraid, not zfs
[02:22] <vantage> bekks: ext3
[02:23] <bekks> vantage: you are using lvm to create a RAID1? That needs three drives, as you know.
[02:23] <vantage> bekks: it's been around for a while
[02:23] <vantage> bekks: no, mdadm (or whatever the pre-dmraid method of raid setup was), with LVM on top
[02:23] <hassen_> erm what's the command that echos the kernel version?
[02:24] <bekks> hassen_: uname
[02:24] <hassen_> bekks, thanks.
[02:24] <vipintruder> uname -r
[02:24] <hassen_> yes
[02:27] <hassen_> in ATI site,i want to download my gpu's driver ,they say that the supported kernel version is up tp 3.4,while my ubuntu 13.10 kernel version is 3.11.0-12-generic
[02:27] <hassen_> it won't be installed,no?
[02:30] <jmgk> can people highlight me ?
[02:30] <jmgk> I want to see if Irssi works
[02:30] <zykotick9> jmgk: no
[02:31] <jmgk> try again
[02:31] <zykotick9> jmgk: no
[02:31] <jmgk> ok
[02:31] <jmgk> lol
[02:31] <vocx> In Windows, I have seemingly two display drivers in my notebook: Intel HD Graphics Family and Nvidia NVS 4200M. How can this be? By the way, I cannot check this in Ubuntu, because I'm running it in a virtual machine.
[02:31] <zykotick9> jmgk: hope it worked ;)
[02:31] <jmgk> tanks
[02:31] <jmgk> hmm
[02:32] <jmgk> hold on
[02:32] <jmgk> try again zykotick9
[02:32] <zykotick9> jmgk: no
[02:32] <zykotick9> jmgk: that was the last one.
[02:33] <jmgk> ow
[02:33] <jmgk> now
[02:37] <jmgk> zykotick9:  one more time
[02:38] <zykotick9> sorry your signal to noise ration is WAY to high.  this isn't "test" my irssi config channel.  good luck.
[02:39] <zykotick9> jmgk: notice i didn't include you nick above?  ooops ;)
[02:39] <jmgk> hmm
[02:39] <jmgk> heh
[02:41] <codygman> How would I recompile this into a deb for 13.04: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xf86-input-wacom/1:0.23.0-0ubuntu1 Just download it and use dpkg-deb? Sorry, been a while since I packaged something and that was for plain Debian.
[02:41] <codygman> Need that because of the intuos support btw
[02:41] <jmgk> Yes got it working
[02:43] <sage__> hello i would like some very basic guidelines in crosscompiling a normal linux program for an AirOS machine
[02:45] <sage__> i've never done crosscompiling before and now i wanted to try it on this AirOS antenna from my friend
[02:45] <ubuthetechguru> has anyone used the phoronix test suite before? i selected option 1 to run a test but it doesn't do anything
[02:48] <vocx> codygman, I think there are some guides about creating the deb. These would be more useful than asking the irc channel. But yeah, I think basically getting the source, and following some instructions and dpkg-deb.
[02:48] <codygman> vocx: Thanks for the input, I found a few of those. Actually I think I got it sorted ;)
[02:49] <hassen_> why is it well said that ubuntu (or other linux OS) can't be infected with viruses?
[02:50] <vocx> sage__, basically you need the crosscompiler, libraries and headers, to the architecture you wish. Then instead of using the normal compiler "gcc", you would use something like "cross-compiler-gcc" on the file you want. What is AirOS anyway?
[02:50] <codygman> hassen_: Permissions is one reason it's harder for viruses to do well with linux. In windows everything is 755 by default. The other bigger argument is that it's not worth virus writers time to make viruses for linux, though that could change according to the market. However there are other reasons, these are just the biggest two taht come to mind for me.
[02:51] <vocx> hassen_, because of the permission structure. If you receive a virus, it will not work on system level directories because it does not have permission. If you run it with root it may, but if you run it with your normal user, it may only affect your home directory.
[02:51] <jmgk> hello hassen_
[02:52] <hassen_> so don't I need an antivirus given that i deeply browse the internet often?
[02:52] <sage__> AirOS is a special operating system for wireless access points
[02:53] <sage__> vocx: Im not sure.. i know it has something to do with wireless access points
[02:53] <Ari-Yang> !antivirus | hassen
[02:53] <codygman> hassen_: If you use firefox+noscript and avoid flash/java web with ubuntu, it's very unlikely you'll get a virus. However, javascript is needed for much of the web and carefully allowing only sites you trust can do a lot in avoiding being infected.
[02:53] <sage__> vocx: my friends dad works in a internet provider and he had one spare antenna with that and he plays around with it
[02:54] <defcon511> someone got a clue how i can get the window hotcorner functions from ubuntu/windows7?
[02:55] <defcon511> when i drag the window on the top corner it just maximise to 1/2 desktop b
[02:56] <sage__> vocx: ive been googling around trying to find out what architecture AirOS uses with no results.. not even in the official wiki
[02:56] <xangua> defcon511: do you have compiz settings manager installed¿
[02:56] <hassen_> understood,but i have  a PC where i often access the win7 OS partition to get some of my data in the other ubuntu's one.
[02:56] <vocx> sage__, which official wiki?
[02:57] <sage__> vocx: ubiquity's, wich is the manufacturer for Nanostation and it's OS
[02:58] <pfifo> hassen_: theres a great linux antivirus in the repos.
[02:59] <pfifo> !info clamav | hassen_
[02:59] <sage__> Nanostation is the name of the hardware for AirOS
[02:59] <hassen_> pfifo, i see,thanks.
[02:59] <vocx> hassen_, then you can install the antivirus and scan that folder regularly. Many viruses are hidden in Windows, but once you pass them to a Linux system you can see then in plain sight, as .exe files. Then you realise they are viruses, and you can just erase them. They won't do anything when they are in Linux as they don have permissions to do anything and the system folders that they target don't exist.
[03:00] <hassen_> vocx, understood,thanks.
[03:01] <defcon511> @xangua thanks looked it up and im installing it right now, i think it will fix my problem
[03:02] <davidstrada> #laravel
[03:08] <TeamColtra> Apparently this slowed my server down dramatically https://www.dropbox.com/s/33dvt1wq5vnzcrj/Screenshot%202013-11-29%2022.06.43.png
[03:21] <foureyes779> Does Ubuntu have a PPC version that is active ?
[03:22] <sage__> hmm anyone know how to crosscompile for MIPS CPU architecture?
[03:22] <jmgk> nhm
[03:22] <jmgk> nope
[03:24] <ObrienDave> foureyes779, there is a server edition available
[03:24] <foureyes779> ObrienDave: do they have an IRC channel ?
[03:25] <ObrienDave> that i don't know
[03:25] <erek> i'm having a problem with mysql, i installed the mysql-server, but the daemon fails to start when i run /etc/init.d/mysqld restart
[03:25] <foureyes779> ObrienDave: ok, I currently run debian PPC, but having a prob with a Radeon card and not finding any support at all with the issue, so looking at other options
[03:26] <buu> erek: What does the log say?
[03:26] <ObrienDave> torrent: http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/file?info_hash=%E9%E4%BD%D5%A3%DE%3D%BD%E9%12Y%C2%80%D2%B96%1D%21%1C%C5
[03:26] <buu> erek: What does manually starting it say?
[03:27] <erek> buu: where's the log? /var/log?
[03:28] <buu> erek: That would be a good guess
[03:28] <erek> they're empty
[03:28] <erek> the log files
[03:29] <buu> erek: All of them?
[03:29] <buu> what does dmesg say?
[03:29] <erek> yup
[03:29] <erek> buu: ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)
[03:29] <buu> What does starting it manually say?
[03:30] <buu> what?
[03:30] <erek> [15967.687508] init: mysql main process ended, respawning
[03:30] <erek> [15967.699262] type=1400 audit(1385780792.379:79): apparmor="STATUS" operation="profile_replace" parent=11437 profile="unconfined" name="/usr/sbin/mysqld" pid=11441 comm="apparmor_parser"
[03:30] <erek> that's from dmesg
[03:30] <buu> ok..
[03:30] <erek> the first one is from manually starting it
[03:31] <buu> erek: Start it non-daemon in the foreground and see what it says
[03:31] <erek> how?
[03:32] <buu> erek: mysqld ?
[03:33] <ben_> hey, i'm on ubuntu gnome, i installed flashplugin-installer but can't use flash in firefox. how can i find more information about my problem?
[03:33] <zykotick9> ben_: did you restart ALL firefox instances?
[03:33] <ben_> i will verify with pkill
[03:34] <ben_> yep
[03:34] <xangua> ben_: id you restart firefox¿ does shockwave flash show in tools>addons>plugins¿
[03:34] <ben_> xangua yes it does
[03:35] <buu> ben_: What does adobe's flash test show?
[03:35] <ben_> buu where would i find that?
[03:35] <ben_> on their site?
[03:36] <ben_> ooooookay, i had flashblock installed and the interface never shoed up so i can't whitelist sites, nvm
[03:36] <buu> hahahahahha
[03:36] <erek> i got it working, buu
[03:36] <erek> buu: i restarted the whole operating system
[03:36] <erek> the whole thing
[03:37] <erek> buu: how do i get my mysql server to work with my apache2 server?
[03:38] <buu> erek: Apache2 is a webserver, mysql is a sql server, they have nothing in common
[03:38] <erek> darn
[03:38] <buu> erek: What are you actually trying to accomplish?
[03:38] <erek> buu: i wanted to use php to access a sql a database
[03:38] <erek> i got mod php installed with my apache2 server
[03:38] <buu> erek: PHP is a programming language with libraries to access sql servers
[03:38] <riccrouch> you need phpmyadmin
[03:38] <buu> This is mostly irrelevant to apache
[03:39] <riccrouch> http://www.phpmyadmin.net/home_page/index.php
[03:39] <vantage> bekks: Thanks for your help!
[03:39] <buu> erek: what kind of php program?
[03:40] <erek> buu: something.php accessed through the apache2 server
[03:40] <buu> erek: You're not being terribly specific.
[03:41] <erek> i want to create a database
[03:41] <erek> in mysql
[03:41] <erek> and then i want access the database from a php file
[03:41] <geoffmcc> buu: you will need to install php5-mysql, but if you apt-get install phpmyadmin it will get you everything needed. Not required, but easier to administer the databases
[03:41] <riccrouch> erek: phpmyadmin is a web-based front-end to a mysql database. You can create and edit databases from there.
[03:42] <geoffmcc> wrong person sorry
[03:42] <riccrouch> If you are just looking to write a PHP script to access the database, you don't need any extra stuff
[03:42] <erek> riccrouch: do you think phpmyadmin is a cheap way to administer a database?
[03:42] <erek> is it better to do everything by hand
[03:42] <riccrouch> Cheap?  It's free
[03:43] <erek> cheap as in like cheating
[03:43] <erek> instead of doing it all by hand
[03:43] <riccrouch> Basically its a graphical interface to the database.  You would use it to create and load/edit a database.  You can use code to dynamically create pages and edit the database from code.
[03:43] <erek> will i be cheating myself out of learning
[03:43] <erek> understanding how sql works
[03:43] <mnemon> not really, you'll see the scripts through that too
[03:43] <riccrouch> Not at all.  Used for different purpose
[03:44] <riccrouch> phpmyadmin has an "SQL" window where you can write pure SQL code if you want to.
[03:44] <mnemon> also, leaving it accessible to the world on production server is a very bad idea.
[03:45] <dondopa> Bind9 is hard to configure
[03:45] <riccrouch> I think by default phpmyadmin is only available on the localhost
[03:45] <dondopa> Rocket science
[03:45] <riccrouch> but that can be changed, so be careful
[03:45] <dondopa> My father configured Bind9  and forwarded the DNS servers of my ISP
[03:45] <dondopa> its set up and running but we still cant get it to resolve names for our apache web server sites
[03:46] <dondopa> If I had a job that requiredme to do this I would havebeen fired
[03:47] <erek> i got my myphpadmin installed
[03:47] <erek> how do i access it?
[03:47] <Boohbah> dondopa: and this is a failure of bind9?
[03:47] <dondopa> No it is a failure of me
[03:47] <dondopa> Because I am not a machine
[03:47] <riccrouch> erek" usually http://<server address here>/phpMyAdmin
[03:48] <dondopa> BIND9 is when a person cannot help but say to himself"This is just too much linux"
[03:48] <dondopa> WAy too much linux mane!
[03:48] <riccrouch> sorry.... phpmyadmin, not phpMyAdmin
[03:48] <mnemon> dondopa: define a zone, write few A records in there, done.
[03:48] <dondopa> will that make it resolve the names so that I can access ampache on my tablet?
[03:49] <foureyes779> peterrooney: welcome back
[03:49] <mnemon> as long as you use that server as your dns server, yes
[03:49] <dondopa> When I use nslookup it gives me the address of the router
[03:49] <dondopa> is that ok?
[03:50] <mnemon> i guess it depends on how your router is configured and where the bind is.
[03:51] <dondopa> BIND has got me in a bind...
[03:51] <xmetal> no such thing as "Too much linux" if you ask me
[03:51] <xmetal> :)
[03:52] <geoffmcc> dondopa: if your just looking for function and dont mind sharing your domain, you could always setup your domain on afraid.org for free
[03:53] <dondopa> lol
[03:53] <dondopa> Good to see you fine sorcerers have a good sense of humour
[04:00] <riccrouch> erek: hope that helped...
[04:01] <erek> riccrouch: working on it
[04:02] <riccrouch> erek: were you able to at least access phpmyadmin?
[04:04] <erek> riccrouch: http://pool-141-158-220-229.altnpa.east.verizon.net/phpmyadmin/
[04:04] <erek> riccrouch: try it
[04:07] <john_doe_jr> I'm trying to build from source but I'm getting errors and they scroll too fast…how do I reroute the errors on the console to a file or something?
[04:07] <riccrouch> erek: seems to be working... but without the username and password (WHICH YOU SHOULD **NOT*** GIVE OUT ON IRC!) there's not much to see from here.
[04:08] <riccrouch> erek: From there, just enter the username and password for your mysql user and away you go.
[04:08] <sandman13> what would be the best downloader for ubuntu? It must support resume and should act as a download accelerator.
[04:08] <erek> hmm
[04:09] <erek> riccrouch: let me create you an account if i can figure it out
[04:12] <trism> john_doe_jr: you can use &> in bash to get both stderr and stdout
[04:20] <john_doe_jr> trism: so I would use &> to a file?
[04:20] <erek> riccrouch: http://pool-141-158-220-229.altnpa.east.verizon.net/phpmyadmin/  username = ric, password = test
[04:21] <MarGul> Hi I have just unstalled ubuntu server 12.04 and I have changed ip address to static (been pinging it from my laptop and I know its connected to my network). Then I installed nginx running the command aptitude install nginx. The version of nginx is 1.5.6. When I then, on my laptop, type in my servers ip address in my webbrowser I get nothing. following this manual(http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/11/how-to-set-up-a-safe-and-secure-
[04:21] <MarGul> web-server/2/)
[04:22] <Eliyahu`> how do i set the refresh rate in ubuntu 13.10
[04:22] <Eliyahu`> i need to sync my monitor to 48hz or 72hz for video recording live on set
[04:22] <zykotick9> Eliyahu`: are you using an LCD?
[04:23] <Eliyahu`> yes
[04:23] <Eliyahu`> im using LED sorry
[04:23] <vocx> john_doe_jr, for example "make program &> my_file"
[04:24] <Eliyahu`> i also want to remove the mirror screens icon thats popping up
[04:24] <vocx> Eliyahu`, LED is just the illumination source, but probably your screen is an LCD (lit by LEDs and not fluorescent lamps).
[04:24] <Eliyahu`> yes then its a LCD
[04:25] <Eliyahu`> vocx:  its Westinghouse UW40TC1W 40-Inch 1080p 120Hz LED HDTV
[04:27] <Eliyahu`> vocx:  im trying to sync it to a canon XL1 video recording camera because i have a studio set and im running visual through ubuntu desktop
[04:27] <Eliyahu`> vocx:  the video display through that westinghouse monitor on the set will be recorded by the canon xl` and i need to sync the refresh rates
[04:27] <erek> hey guys can you test out phpmyadmin for me?
[04:27] <vocx> Eliyahu`, no idea
[04:28] <Eliyahu`> vocx:  where is the linux video community?
[04:28] <httphate> all dead
[04:29] <ObrienDave> Eliyahu`, a screen recording software would not do the same thing?
[04:29] <Eliyahu`> ObrienDave:  what do you mean
[04:29] <Eliyahu`> ObrienDave:  im displaying imagry and video onto the studio sets 40 inch monitor live for video production like news anchor
[04:30] <ObrienDave> o i c
[04:30] <Eliyahu`> i got a 20 foot green screen behind the studio desk which has the 40 inch minotor on the desk
[04:30] <Eliyahu`> im shooting the set live and need to sync the refresh rate from the monitor to the camera
[04:31] <vocx> Eliyahu`, what you basically is to avoid the flashing of the screen once you record? I have no idea if the refresh rate of the screen can be arbitrarily adjusted. I don't think that's the case, only a few frequencies would be available. But seems you know more about video than me anyway.
[04:32] <Eliyahu`> adjustign the rrefresh rate in ubuntu wont matter then will it if the monitor produces 120hz refresh rate right?
[04:34] <Lorde> Hello
[04:34] <vocx> Eliyahu`, Right. I mean, that's controlled by the electronics in the monitor. I guess it is not intended for people to change it just because they want.
[04:35] <ObrienDave> erek, seems to login ok
[04:35] <Eliyahu`> vocx:  my HD Canon Rebel t5i im recording with right now just did a test shot works on the current system but my canon xlr didnt
[04:36] <arooni-mobile> is this compatible with ubuntu: WD My Passport Ultra 1TB Portable External Hard Drive USB 3.0
[04:36] <arooni-mobile> ?
[04:36] <Eliyahu`> vocx:  Thanks for your help and time though God bless you
[04:38] <ObrienDave> arooni-mobile, "compatable" how?
[04:38] <arooni-mobile> ObrienDave, i want to buy an external drive from blakc friday deals
[04:38] <arooni-mobile> but i want to make sure it works with my ubuntu only laptop
[04:39] <cfhowlett> !hardware|arooni-mobile,
[04:40] <erek> how?
[04:40] <erek> heh
[04:41] <erek> i've never gotten into that, riccrouch
[04:42] <vocx> arooni-mobile, in general, an external hard drive works fine with any Linux distribution. It's a fairly simple device. It just needs FAT or NTFS file system. And if you don't plan on using it on Windows you can reformat it to Ext4 file system or other file system that Linux can use.
[04:52] <MarGul> Hi I have just unstalled ubuntu server 12.04 and I have changed ip address to static (been pinging it from my laptop and I know its connected to my network). Then I installed nginx running the command aptitude install nginx. The version of nginx is 1.5.6. When I then, on my laptop, type in my servers ip address in my webbrowser I get "unable to connect" instead of my default index.html. Someone have any suggestions?
[04:59] <trelane> I'm running an old toshiba laptop, I just upgraded to 13.10, and don't have unity.  I've run unity_support_test -c -p and unity_support_test -p and am green across the board.  I don't have an xorg.conf, and have only two errors related to not being able to load fglrx (which this chipset doesn't need) in xorg.0.og
[05:01] <MarGul> got it to work. Forgot to start up nginx. The command service nginx start did the trick
[05:07] <berga> well gnight peeps
[05:09] <cfhowlett> trelane, old equipment?  xubuntu or lubuntu are recommended
[05:09] <trelane> cfhowlett, realizing that, this should work as everything is greenlit, and opengl is supported, the problem is the opengl module isn't loading when xorg starts
[05:09] <erek> what the hell
[05:10] <erek> did one of you guys screw over my mysql server?
[05:10] <trelane> select * from no where no equals no;
[05:10] <trelane> also, no.
[05:11] <kkkkkkk> hi all, i am using sakis 3g to connect to internet, because modem manager is too slow to detect my modem, it takes few minutes to detect, sometimes it doesn't detect, then i need to re-insert modem, and all, i want to automate sakis 3g connection, everytime i start sakis 3g, it asks for password, i solved it using /etc/sudoers file, but i want that it does not ask for username and password for dial up connection, because most of times, In India, all operators 
[05:11] <kkkkkkk> how to do that
[05:11] <kkkkkkk> how to set custom_Pass varibale in sakis3g
[05:11] <cfhowlett> trelane, unity really doesn't run well on old boxes.  the easy fix is to boot to the command line, run sudo apt-get install lxde and sudo apt-get install xfce4  then login to one or the other
[05:11] <kkkkkkk> and custom user also
[05:12] <trelane> cfhowlett, this is a dual core box with 4gb of ram, and a dedicated video card.
[05:12] <xmetal> !lubuntu
[05:13] <kkkkkkk> trelane: unity has still problems like crashing on Ubuntu 12.04, bla bla, i suggest you to use KDE or Lxde, according to your need,
[05:13] <cfhowlett> trelane, it "should run"!  but until you figure out why unity if fragging, you might consider a non-unity desktop environment.
[05:14] <cfhowlett> trelane, if I had to guess, I'd start with eyeing the video card...
[05:14] <kkkkkkk> trelane: KDE is also fine, if you were a windows user, you will not feel something different in GUI, except performance and stability
[05:14] <xmetal> unity runs fine on my AMD 4GB RAM "2009 laptop"
[05:15] <trelane> kkkkkkk, I'm a gentoo user.  I'm just trying to get this box to work for a friend, how do I get ubuntu to switch from fglrx to the opensource driver
[05:15] <dondopa> kkk
[05:15] <trelane> xmetal, which video card and are you using fglrx?
[05:16] <kkkkkkk> how to set custom_PASS and custom_username variable in SAKIS 3G SCRIPT
[05:18] <jmgk> hi kkkkkkk
[05:18] <kkkkkkk> trelane: type additional in UNITY DASH> select ADDITIONAL DRIVERS> IF activated, then deactivate
[05:19] <trelane> kkkkkkk, how do I access this unity dash?
[05:19] <trelane> (keep in mind unity won't start)
[05:20] <kkkkkkk> trelane: press window button or click to top left button
[05:20] <sandman13> which is better? Clam AV or Avast
[05:20] <kkkkkkk> type in search box
[05:20] <kkkkkkk> sandman13: no one is better
[05:20] <ncrosby> kkk, that would require unity to be started.
[05:21] <sandman13> why kkkkkkk
[05:21] <kkkkkkk> sandman13: because i have tested both of them, even AVG
[05:22] <xmetal> I like Avast myself, though i feel this the wrong channel for that question
[05:22] <kkkkkkk> sandman13: better not to use anyone of them, let your system run smoothley, they will just aquire some space on your hard drive
[05:22] <sandman13> so what would be the choice? install none
[05:22] <xmetal> "best" is a matter of opinion
[05:22] <xmetal> no AV is not the answer if you ask me but this is a question related to a different OS
[05:23] <xmetal> (OT is otherwards)
[05:23] <cfhowlett> kkkkkkk, eh?  the amount of space required by either of those programs is trivial
[05:23] <kkkkkkk> sandman13: if you are much more curios, use dual boot with windows, antivirus updates are provided more freq. to windows users and their detection is much better than them
[05:23] <kkkkkkk> than linux AV
[05:24]  * xmetal stops watching Khan Academy video
[05:24] <sandman13> i need a AV for basic protection
[05:24] <xmetal> windows, sandman?
[05:24] <cfhowlett> sandman13, so install it on windows
[05:24] <ncrosby> trelane; if Unity won't start, I tend to have to reinstall the system. You may be able to work your way around it, but for me that would almost take more time.
[05:24] <kkkkkkk> Linux is already, secure from windows viruses
[05:25] <cfhowlett> !virus
[05:25] <xmetal> i'd (yes i kjnow this is ot for this channel) go with Avast
[05:25] <kkkkkkk> trelane: yes, it will take much much more time,
[05:25] <trelane> I'm going to work around it, thanks
[05:25] <xmetal> nothing is perfect .. ."best" anything is a matter of opnion like i said
[05:27] <cfhowlett> !best
[05:27] <trelane> lets try a custom xorg.conf
[05:28] <sandman13> i read somewhere that malwares still affect linux boxes
[05:29] <trelane> sandman13, malware != virus, please look at something like rkhunter if you suspect a rootkit (hint, you probably don't have one)
[05:29] <sandman13> ah here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicSecurity
[05:30] <Beldar> !av | sandman13
[05:30] <sandman13> read that Beldar but thanks anyway
[05:31] <Beldar> ah did not see above my prompt
[05:32] <kkkkkkk> sandman13: use bit-defender, it is easy to update and has better GUI
[05:32] <kkkkkkk> sandman13: if you like to use AV
[05:32] <sandman13> kkkkkkk: is it registration free?
[05:33] <kkkkkkk> sandman13: no, just give your email id, they will give it to you for 1 year
[05:34]  * xmetal gives up
[05:34] <kkkkkkk> sandman13: you may use seconday ID, tertiory ID for that :D
[05:34] <m-abhijit> !packageinfo ruby
[05:35] <sandman13> kkkkkkk: does these antivirus updates are based on Window's malware?
[05:36] <kkkkkkk> sandman13: i installed it, sometimes, you may face problems during updates, if you are using a proxy server, LINUX version and updates are always given less priority over windows versions
[05:36] <kkkkkkk> i suspect you will get same updates
[05:36] <sandman13> okay
[05:36] <kkkkkkk> ask Bit defender about the same
[05:38] <santhosh_> hai what is the free type
[05:38] <santhosh_> hai what is the free type
[05:39] <tsquar3d> Hey, I am trying to run a 32-bit game on my 64-bit system and I keep getting this error: libvorbisfile.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[05:39] <tsquar3d> I am not finding a whole lot for solutions on the googles, so... yeah, any ideas?
[05:40] <santhosh_> waht is the use of free type
[05:40] <xmetal> good greif
[05:41] <vocx> tsquar3d, what game? Isn't there a 64 bit version available? In Linux you usually can find both versions because source can be recompiled.
[05:42] <tsquar3d> Hey vocx, it's hotline miami. Unfortunately, the source is closed.
[05:43] <luser> Hello!
[05:44] <meddy> hey I can't update my ubuntu system I tried selecting the best servers and clearing my PPA but nothing work
[05:45] <luser> I just installed ubuntu studio 13.10 (xfce 4.10 DE). In the notification applet area there is a speaker with 3 dashes next to it. It is greyed out and if clicked has nothing to display save a small empty text box. What is this? How can I link it to pule audio mixer?
[05:53] <meddy> anyone?
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> meddy: what ubuntu version are you on?
[05:59] <meddy> 130.10
[05:59] <meddy> 13.10
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> meddy: whats the error you getting when try to update?
[05:59] <meddy> that I don't have internet conenction
[06:00] <lotuspsychje> meddy: and do you have?
[06:00] <meddy> yes I do
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> meddy: are you on wifi or eth0 cable
[06:02] <meddy> wifi
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> meddy: can you try put the eth cable in to try update?
[06:02] <meddy> tried
[06:03] <meddy> my internet works just fine
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> meddy: can you pastebin this error you have on update
[06:04] <meddy> ok
[06:04] <Vedrit> Hey. I need some hlep. I'm trying to get ASP.net pages to work on my server, and I've loaded in mono, but anyone that connects to an .aspx page, they get a 503 error. HTML or PHP pages load fine
[06:04] <unicornjedi> hello, I have a multitude of broken ppas after upgrading to saucy. Is there a quick way to remove them?
[06:05] <unicornjedi> Vedrit, go to ##networking channel
[06:05] <Vedrit> oh, okay
[06:05] <unicornjedi> Vedrit, :)
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> unicornjedi: remove them out of software sources?
[06:06] <meddy> it just says
[06:06] <meddy> failed to download repository information
[06:06] <unicornjedi> lotuspsychje, I have about 15 to get rid of. Is there a nifty command to remove the ppas?
[06:06] <lotuspsychje> !ppa | unicornjedi maybe here?
[06:07] <unicornjedi> lotuspsychje, will ppa-purge remove my applications wholly?
[06:07] <lotuspsychje> unicornjedi: not sure about that, never done myself
[06:07] <unicornjedi> !ppa-purge
[06:08] <lotuspsychje> meddy: http://itsfoss.com/failed-to-download-repository-information-ubuntu-13-04/
[06:08] <unicornjedi> hmm thats doesnt sound pleasant....
[06:08] <unicornjedi> i guess I'll remove them manually
[06:08] <meddy> i have already followed it
[06:09] <meddy> it won't let me reload the list
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> meddy: did you try a sudo apt-get update?
[06:10] <meddy> yup
[06:10] <meddy> doens't work
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> meddy: sudo apt-get clean?
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> meddy: http://askubuntu.com/questions/141512/how-to-resolve-failed-to-download-repository-information
[06:13] <meddy> will try
[06:14] <lotuspsychje> anyway bbl, good luck!
[06:14] <_root_> for IP Aliasing: both Ip should have the same MAC address?
[06:14] <meddy> whe ni get the
[06:15] <meddy> apt get clean command nothing happen
[06:17] <xavi> hi
[06:17] <xavi> bye
[06:17] <Beldar> meddy, Go through that askubuntu link it has the general fixes to try.
[06:18] <meddy> I tried all 3 suggestion
[06:18] <meddy> doesn't work!
[06:18] <Beldar> meddy, You changed the repo?
[06:19] <meddy> what you mean
[06:19] <Beldar> meddy, read the link
[06:20] <meddy> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6497666/
[06:22] <meddy> did you see my pastebin?
[06:23] <Beldar> meddy, run cd /etd/apt/sources.list and pastebin all the info.
[06:23] <Beldar>  cd /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:24] <meddy> no such file or file or directory?
[06:24] <Beldar> meddy, cd /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:24] <Beldar> I made a mistake on the first
[06:24] <meddy> not a directory
[06:27] <Beldar> meddy, try sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list     be careful when you open it it can be edited
[06:28] <meddy> pastebin everything?
[06:28] <Beldar> meddy, Yes
[06:28] <vocx> meddy, Beldar, no need to use sudo.  The file will be read only.
[06:29] <Beldar> vocx, we may need to edit it I think his cd is not off
[06:29] <meddy> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6497694/
[06:30] <WiGust> hello. Why resizing windows doesn't work in kwin tiling mode?
[06:30] <Beldar> meddy this is an installed ubuntu correct?
[06:30] <meddy> yep
[06:31] <Beldar> meddy, Put a # in front of deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 13.10 _Saucy Salamander_ - Release amd64 (20131016.1)]/ saucy main restricted
[06:31] <Dani> hola
[06:31] <Dani> alguien me puede ayudar en una cosa porfa vor
[06:31] <somsip> Beldar: if this is the same error as he had yesterday, he's removed a load of PPAs but there are still some CDROM:// sources that need to be commented out. I wasn't sure how to do this using Software Centre and had no time to explain how to edit it by hand. Just in case that helps
[06:32] <Guest43474> para conectarme al terra desde aqui?
[06:32] <Beldar> meddy, In the file you opened hit save and try a update at least again now.
[06:32] <Beldar> somsip, thanks, any info helps. ;)
[06:34] <meddy> i think it works but says it up to date but i find it hard to belive it actually is
[06:35] <Beldar> meddy, What you commented out was for the sources to read a cd, on an install that should be this way.
[06:36] <Eliyahu`> any one else having issues with updates not going through and failing right now?
[06:36] <meddy> what you mean
[06:36] <Beldar> meddy, why do you find this hard to believe?
[06:36] <meddy> it been over a week
[06:37] <Eliyahu`> us.archive.ubuntu.com isnt working for updating
[06:37] <pavel_> Eliyahu : I got problem with updates going through and screwing up the graphical interface
[06:37] <Beldar> Eliyahu`, What release are you running?
[06:38] <Eliyahu`> ubuntu 13.10
[06:38] <Hilikus> how can i create a pam rule to check if a connection is from within my lan?
[06:38] <Eliyahu`> 0% [Connecting to us.archive.ubuntu.com (2001:67c:1
[06:39] <Eliyahu`> this hapened in terminal and synaptic package manager
[06:39] <Eliyahu`> trying to install openshot
[06:39] <pavel_> why do you have us.blablah ?
[06:39] <pavel_> I just have archive.ubuntu.com
[06:39] <pavel_> and it works
[06:40] <Beldar> Eliyahu`, Try changing the repo, I have had no update problems, or installs.
[06:40] <Eliyahu`> Beldar:  how do i change repo
[06:41] <jmgk> hello
[06:41] <jmgk> :D
[06:41] <Eliyahu`> jmgk:  :D
[06:41] <meddy> i just switched to best server selected and i get this ...http://paste.ubuntu.com/6497731/
[06:41] <Beldar> Eliyahu`, run software-properties-gtk  and in first tab change the download from
[06:42] <meddy> still doesn't work
[06:42] <Eliyahu`> Beldar:  found it right before you typed thanks
[06:42] <Eliyahu`> E: I wasn't able to locate a file for the libdc1394-22 package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package.
[06:43] <Beldar> meddy, You have either not commented out what I told you to, or have a cd link in sources.list.d
[06:43] <pfifo> why does my USB drive keep acting like its unplugging and plugging, i cant even get a format on it, and once I did every couple of files that gets transferred it decides to fail
[06:43] <meddy> well i'm sorry i'm pretty lost
[06:43] <Beldar> meddy, Anyway I have to go do a nightly job, I will be gone for about 45 min.
[06:44] <meddy> ok
[06:44] <Beldar> meddy, run sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list and put a # in front of the first line at the top and hit save and try the update again.
[06:45] <Eliyahu`> whats the terminal command to give version information
[06:45] <pfifo> lsb_release
[06:45] <ianorlin> lsb_release
[06:46] <Eliyahu`> thanks
[06:46] <Eliyahu`> desktop:~$ lsb_releaseNo LSB modules are available."
[06:49] <Eliyahu`> lsb_release -a
[06:49] <Eliyahu`> ;)
[06:49] <Eliyahu`> for some reason my ubuntu is printing 12.04
[06:49] <Eliyahu`> it should be 13.10
[06:49] <Eliyahu`> >=(
[06:53] <jmgk> hi all
[06:56] <AceBlade258> I can't see a program after I launch it,
[06:56] <AceBlade258> *.
[06:56] <AceBlade258> the program is filebot from the software center
[06:59] <AceBlade258> got
[06:59] <AceBlade258> *got it
[06:59] <AceBlade258> it started way offscreen
[07:03] <airgnox> a
[07:03] <bl4ckdu5t> Is there a way to make a transparent background for nautilus
[07:04] <Beldar> Eliyahu`, What does the sources.list say precise or saucy?
[07:04] <Eliyahu`> Beldar:  i thought i had downloded the 13.10 iso for install
[07:04] <Eliyahu`> Beldar:  i may have accidently downloaded the 12.04?
[07:05] <Beldar> Eliyahu`, The ubuntu main  site, there is a problem with it giving you the right ISO.
[07:09] <bl4ckdu5t> How do i change the background of nautilus to transparent as with terminal?
[07:13] <Beldar> bl4ckdu5t, Might be the answer. http://askubuntu.com/questions/5151/can-i-set-up-nautilus-to-use-transparent-background
[07:16] <Eliyahu`> Beldar:  i was tricked into the wrong iso
[07:17] <Eliyahu`> Beldar:  i feel betrayed
[07:17] <dowaat> Eliyahu`: ISO's tend to be pretty well labeled, friend. Please assure you read carefully before taking steps.
[07:17] <airgnox> a
[07:17] <Eliyahu`> dowaat:  :P
[07:18] <Beldar> Eliyahu`, Better ask for your money back. ;)
[07:20] <Eliyahu`> Beldar:  is the site stll giving out the wrong ISO ?
[07:21] <Eliyahu`> is the GUI the same with 12.04 LTS and 13.10 ?
[07:21] <Eliyahu`> i hadnt used ubuntu since gutsy gibeon
[07:21] <Beldar> Eliyahu`There are downloads on the web beside those and others download links on the main site.
[07:21] <cfhowlett> Eliyahu`, yes: unity
[07:21] <Eliyahu`> cfhowlett:  they both appear the same i see by some screen shots
[07:22] <cfhowlett> Eliyahu`, so ... asked and answered your question?
[07:22] <Beldar> Eliyahu`, 12.04 has 5 years support.
[07:22] <Eliyahu`> cfhowlett:  i read your answer and checked screen shots
[07:23] <Eliyahu`> with all the ubuntu errors with downloading the right ISO they should make it free
[07:23] <Eliyahu`> :P
[07:23]  * Eliyahu` elbows Beldar
[07:26] <Beldar> ouch
[07:26] <Beldar> ;)
[07:27] <jmgk> hey
[07:28] <Vedrit> Anyone know if there is a channel for MONO support?
[07:30] <nezZario> This is really annoying
[07:30] <nezZario> for one, my motd always says there is a new release available 13.10 but I ran this last night and did the upgrade
[07:30] <nezZario> (i guess it completed)
[07:30] <nezZario> when i type it again, it says ther eis no release available
[07:30] <cfhowlett> nezZario, apt-get upgrade will not upgrade your release
[07:32] <Beldar> !alis | Vedrit
[07:32] <nezZario> i didn't say it would
[07:32] <nezZario> i typed do-release-upgrade like the motd keeps telling me to
[07:32] <nezZario> it done a bunch of stuff, i went to sleep
[07:32] <nezZario> it keeps telling me
[07:34] <vocx> !enter | nezZario
[07:37] <nezZario> also, keeps telling me /usr/bin/xauth:  timeout in locking authority file /home/MYUSER/.Xauthority
[07:39] <nezZario> I did some googling, none4 of it really helped.  I rm'd the file.. No go, .. A few things said it needed to be owned by 'machine' user?  No go.  Just really annoying, also it seems the previous deal about the .Xauthority file hangs my logins for 3-4 secs .. The machine is local over a LAN, previously it logged in basically instantly
[07:40] <vocx> nezZario, I don't have much experience with troubleshooting, but I remember whenever you have problems with Xauthority it indicates a problem with permissions, like a broken update and stuff. I've never had such issue, it's just what I hear.
[07:46] <nezZario> Looks like doing apt-get update + upgrade might fix the issue
[07:46] <nezZario> I think the do-release-upgrade may of not of finished .. Should've ran it in screen
[07:46] <cfhowlett> nezZario, upgrade and dist-release are NOT the same command.
[07:48] <helmut_> hi
[07:48] <nezZario> I didn't do dist-release.  Can you give me some context as to how that relates to apt-get update+upgrade?  I only ran do-release-upgrade so the motd would stop bugging me about it
[07:50] <shadej> hi
[07:50] <shadej> I am installing j2ee on ubuntu
[07:50] <shadej> getting this error "/j2eesdk-1_4_03-linux_2.bin: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[07:50] <shadej> "
[07:50] <cfhowlett> nezZario, easier to send you the ubuntu cheat sheet
[07:51] <shadej> I did "sudo apt-get install libstdc++5" but no change
[07:51] <vocx> shadej, do you want to compile something in Java or just use Java?
[07:51] <cfhowlett> nezZario, OK the .pdf and read
[07:51] <nezZario> When I ran the upgrade, it actually failed and told me to run dpkg --configure -a which seems to be fifinishing the process.. /seems/ to be
[07:51] <shadej> vocx: I want to use jms(which uses j2ee)
[07:52] <vocx> shadej, what is that?
[07:53] <shadej> vocx: jms=>java messaging service. I want to use it to implement publish/subscribe and ppp [clinet-server class]
[07:53] <shadej> vocx: *pp
[07:54] <DoubleMintx> Can someone here help me with an install problem? My keyboard is not being recognized whether I have my keyboard set to 6 key rollover or N key rollover.
[07:56] <shadej> j2ee users on ubuntu?
[07:56] <vocx> shadej, I see there are some packages including something about jms in the repositories. Have you tried installing those before?
[07:57] <vocx> shadej, you seem to be trying to install something from the sources. I think that is not a good idea. Most developing tools and libraries are available from the repositories.
[07:58] <vocx> !ubottu | shadej I install the JDK first, and see if that includes the jms libraries that you need
[07:59] <vocx> shadej, I did "aptitude search jms" and some additional packages are shown like "libspring-jms-java", "libjboss-jms-java"
[07:59] <shadej> vocx: ok let me check again
[08:00] <Vinnie_win> Is there an easy way for me to upgrade my gcc to the latest stable version on my Ubuntu virtual box?
[08:00] <vocx> shadej, by the way, I messed up the ubottu message
[08:00] <Vinnie_win> I already have an older one installed.
[08:00] <vocx> !ubottu | shadej
[08:00] <vocx> !java | shadej
[08:01] <vocx> shadej, LOL, I did it again, but the last one worked, sorry for spamming.
[08:01] <shadej> vocx: I have installed java and even I have eclipse
[08:01] <vocx> Vinnie_win, which version you have?
[08:02] <vocx> Vinnie_win, why would you want the most recent version?
[08:02] <Vinnie_win> vocx: I managed to write c++ code that blows up gcc 4.7.3
[08:02] <nezZario> good l ord
[08:02] <Vinnie_win> vocx: And I want as much c++11  support as I can muster
[08:02] <meddy> sosip: are you there?
[08:02] <Vinnie_win> voc: In my defense I said the latest "stable" version :-)
[08:03] <nezZario> also, anyone have any idea why very ocassionally, grub doesn't auto-boot after a timeout?  it's the darndest thing.  my ubuntu box here is a headless machine, I use it as a router/gateway for the rest of my network
[08:03] <Alpha-Omega> Can I ask why when you're installing a minimal install with the minimal CD of Ubuntu, things such as Python are installed?
[08:03] <Vinnie_win> What happens to the older version of gcc and the older version of the standard libraries when I issue "sudo apt-get install gcc-4.8" after adding the PPA?
[08:04] <vocx> Vinnie_win, my latest is 4.8.1, I'm running Ubuntu 13.10, what are you running?
[08:04] <nezZario> once and a while, my netowrk seems to loose internet.  every time, i have to unplug a monitor from a normal workstation, plug it up, and it's stuck at the grub boot screen.  i have to unplug a keyboard, and press 'enter'
[08:05] <vocx> Alpha-Omega, you mean without GUI? Perhaps there are a few scripts that depend on Python. And probably the base version of Python is small enough, like 20 MB, perhaps.
[08:05] <nezZario> Alpha-Omega: python is pretty minimal.  you can probably force remove it if you really don't want it, but I think some nonessential but fairly important scripts might rely on them
[08:05] <Alpha-Omega> vocx: It's the base install
[08:06] <Alpha-Omega> nezZario: It's just that I did base install, X server, i3 and I was at 9xx MB, during the install Python was just one of the packages I saw.
[08:06] <Alpha-Omega> Is there a link that shows what all the base packages that come installed are?
[08:07] <nezZario> I can see the confusion there, I'm not sure why it would offer it to you as an option if it was already in the base
[08:07] <vocx> Vinnie_win, I don think anything will happen to the old compiler. After all, compilers are more or less independent. You will have double tools, and double libraries, depending on the versions, so it should be fine.
[08:09] <nezZario> Alpha-Omega: It looks like some pretty important things are python, namely do-release-upgrade, etc.  if you have a working ubuntu box somewhere try "file /usr/bin/* | grep Python"
[08:10] <vocx> Alpha-Omega, I think in Ubuntu many things are tied in by Python, almost like a substitute Bash.
[08:11] <nezZario> Really the only important thing I see is do-release-upgrade
[08:12] <Vinnie_win> vocx: When I install gcc 4.8.2 will the apt-get mechanism change all the necessary configuration files and settings so that the new gcc and standard libraries are the "current toolchain?"
[08:12] <nezZario> But none the less, you probably want it.. ;)
[08:12] <Vinnie_win> or is that what update-alternatives is for?
[08:13] <Alpha-Omega> nezZario: pastebin.com/vQa6BV4r
[08:13] <vocx> Vinnie_win, I think so. But then again, during compilation it is you who chose the compiler in a makefile for example. Perhaps the only thing the installer will do is change the symlink to /usr/bin/gcc to the newest one.
[08:13] <Vinnie_win> my build system expects the symlink I guess, because I see no mention of version.
[08:13] <Vinnie_win> But after issuing "sudo update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/gcc gcc /usr/bin/gcc-4.8 50", "gcc --version" still shows 4.7.3
[08:14] <Alpha-Omega> Would be nice if all distributions provided a page with a listing of all base install packages
[08:14] <nezZario> Alpha-Omega: Yeah, I mean I was just demonstrating that's all what relies on Python in that directory.  I didn't need your pastebin :)
[08:14] <Alpha-Omega> nezZario: ohh ok :)
[08:14] <Vinnie_win> After running update-alternatives, etc/alternatives/gcc still points to the old one
[08:14] <nezZario> Alpha-Omega: You could install it and then list out the packages
[08:14] <Alpha-Omega> nezZario: yeah, I guess you're right
[08:16] <Alpha-Omega> One more question, when you have a liveCD and do things like updates which are more than the amount of ram you have, or download a file that's larger than the amount of ram you have, where are these files stored? How is it even possible to download these files or do these updates?
[08:17] <vocx> Vinnie_win, I guess you can change the symlink yourself.
[08:17] <nezZario> I don't think it would download that much stuff, Alpha-Omega
[08:17] <nf7> Hi, if I set a /etc/crontab job to run a command as a specific user, will it run if the user isn't logged in?
[08:17] <nezZario> Also, it may do compressed RAM
[08:18] <nezZario> Or a compressed ramdisk to be precise,
[08:18] <buu> Alpha-Omega: Unless you have swap on the disk or the livecd medium, you can't, etc.
[08:18] <nezZario> Alpha-Omega: http://packages.ubuntu.com/saucy/ubuntu-minimal that might help
[08:19] <nezZario> I thought there was a base or base-files package or something, but that may be debian.  I only use ubuntu at home ...
[08:19] <Alpha-Omega> nezZario buu so would older files disappear when new ones were downloaded and your ram usage was completely used up
[08:20] <nezZario> I have no idea, .. Test it out?  Maybe they changed the apt utils to do 'clean' to rm the tarballs after use since I don't think apt does it on it's own .. I really have no idea I don't use live cd's on a regular basis
[08:20] <vocx> Alpha-Omega, I think you are not able to download "new" files since there is no space left?
[08:21] <nezZario> I mean yeah, I'm sure you'll get an out of disk issue if there isn't anywhere to put it.. It isn't going to defy physical limitations
[08:21] <nezZario> Nor would it willingly write to a disk unless you tell it to in some shape or form
[08:22] <Alpha-Omega> ohh ok, thanks
[08:23] <Alpha-Omega> Interesting, minimal install shows about 700 packages installed
[08:23] <Alpha-Omega> "dpkg --list | wc" sure is helpful :)
[08:24] <Alpha-Omega> "dpkg --list | wc -l"*
[08:24] <Vinnie_win> vocx: do I have to do some manual configuration to tell gcc where to find the new standard library or does a specific build of gcc know where to look for the standard includes and libraries?
[08:25] <nezZario> Alpha-Omega: If you have time, I wouldn't mind seeing the list pastebin'd if you would /msg it to me
[08:26] <vocx> Vinnie_win, I think it's something like "gcc -std=c++11" or whatever the option is, and then it will use the standard, otherwise it may fall back to C99
[08:28] <Vinnie_win> vocx: No...thats not what I mean. Each gcc brings with it, its own set of header files and static/dynamic libraries for the standard C++ library. How does the compiler/linker know which directroy in the file system to look for the matching headers?
[08:28] <Vinnie_win> Is that something I have to set up or does the executable just "know" beacuse it uses its name to build the path?
[08:28] <Vinnie_win> I already manually created the link in /etc/alternatives
[08:29] <vocx> Vinnie_win, I think the executable just knows where to look. It's magic. I've never done any configuration at least, just run gcc.
[08:30] <Vinnie_win> Thats music to my ears.
[08:30] <Vinnie_win> execpt that now when I build, gcc cries that "cc1" cannot be found.
[08:30] <Vinnie_win> maybe something else I need to manually symlink
[08:30] <vocx> Vinnie_win, which Linux have you used before? You seem to not be familiar with the Buntu ways.
[08:31] <Vinnie_win> vocx: I use Windows but in my defense I learned C on my own purey from the K&R book and on a Unix mainframe via dilup.
[08:31] <Vinnie_win> *dialup.
[08:31] <vocx> Vinnie_win, cc1 is the preprocessor? I'm a bit rusty myself.
[08:31] <Vinnie_win> And you're right I'm not familiar with the Ubuntu ways. I only switch to my Ubunty virtual box so I can compile there and run the unit tests to make sure I didnt break anything. I do my main development in Windows.
[08:32] <Vinnie_win> After I manually update the symlink I noticed it looked different. Let me study it again.
[08:32] <Vinnie_win> Okay, here's the difference. Originally, ls -la in /etc/alternatives showed gcc -> gcc 4.7.1 something
[08:32] <Vinnie_win> Now, it shows gcc (both in green). I guess I screwed up the link
[08:33] <Vinnie_win> I used ln /usr/lib/gcc-4.8 gcc    from the /etc/alternatives dir. Did i Need some flags to ln ?
[08:34] <Vinnie_win> maybe I did hard instead of symbolic
[08:34] <vocx> Vinnie_win, like "ln -s", I always forget the options of "ln", so I do a "man ln" everytime.
[08:35] <Vinnie_win> Yeah. I did ln -- help. But that doesn't really give me that much when I dont know what I'm supposed to be doing anyway (lol)
[08:35] <_root_> I have to add my first IP to my VPS this way http://paste.ubuntu.com/6497998/ and because of that I cant get the eth0:0 to IP alias. could you give me a clue as to what should I do to get eth0:0 working
[08:35] <vocx> Vinnie_win,  By the way, I would recommend the Programming Talk in the Ubuntuforums.org. You can learn a few trick by hanging out there.
[08:35] <wlightning_> as of 13.10, my laptop appears to boot in airplane mode every boot, is there a way to change the default or have it use the last state?
[08:36] <Vinnie_win> vocx: That's a forum and not IRC right?
[08:36] <vocx> Vinnie_win, Yep. Quite useful too.
[08:36] <Vinnie_win> Oh! I can read that while I wait. Thanks.
[08:37] <vocx> Vinnie_win, I don't have a /etc/alternatives/gcc. My /usr/bin/gcc points to /usr/bin/gcc-4.8, so I would change the symlink there, but not sure for you.
[08:37] <Vinnie_win> I was able to fix the symlink after I learned the proper pronunciation and intonations and hand gestures.
[08:38] <Vinnie_win> success!!! woohoo
[08:38] <rasajeruk> why
[08:38] <vocx> Vinnie_win, lol.
[08:38] <Vinnie_win> rasajeruk: You talkin to me?
[08:38] <rasajeruk> yeah
[08:38] <Vinnie_win> oh man...I want to scream now.
[08:39] <Vinnie_win> So....the same code that was making gcc 4.7.1 blow up is now crashing 4 8!!!!!
[08:40] <maxiaojun> any gui man page viewer for ubuntu 12.04+ ?
[08:40] <vocx> Vinnie_win, to use the latest standard, you definitely need to add some switches, like g++ --std=c++0x or something. I've read that before. Otherwise the compiler uses the previous, more stable, standard.
[08:41] <Vinnie_win> vocx: Yeah, I have all that in my build file. The problem is that some new template code I wrote is somehow making the compiler CRASH
[08:41] <Vinnie_win> I'm trying to narrow it down to a reproducible code sample.
[08:45] <Alpha-Omega> netsplit?
[08:55] <shadej> how to install j2ee on ubuntu?
[08:59] <vocx> shadej, Are you sure it's not the JDK that you already installed?
[09:00] <shadej> vocx: yeah
[09:03] <vocx> shadej, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1254944 It says in that thread that J2EE is a specification not an actual program. It says that Sun's implementation is Glassfish which is in the repos. have you tried installing that?
[09:05] <vocx> p   glassfish-javaee                                 - Open source Java EE 5 Application Server
[09:21] <afidegnum> hi all, anyone familiar with zoneminder? I am stucked here I need hand
[09:22] <lotuspsychje> afidegnum: best is to shoot your specific issue in chat here mate
[09:22] <afidegnum> ok, thanks, I am trying to set up an online video surveillance using zoneminder
[09:22] <afidegnum> the video will be stored into a vps server
[09:23] <afidegnum> but will be recorded from an end house, i.e. home, office
[09:23] <afidegnum> and streamed to the remote server.
[09:23] <lotuspsychje> afidegnum: and you are stuck where exaclty?
[09:24] <lotuspsychje> afidegnum: you need a howto to config this layout?
[09:25] <afidegnum> yes, with few questions,
[09:25] <afidegnum> first, I have an IP camera
[09:25] <lotuspsychje> afidegnum: i see freenode has a #zoneminder channel mate, maybe they might help you on the road :p
[09:26] <afidegnum> how do I need a desktop app which will help stream the video to zm server
[09:26] <afidegnum> I am there and no one is responding
[09:27] <cloneG> hello, trying to download a torrent with firefox I get this popup: http://postimg.org/image/48n84wx77/ how am I supposed to choose bittorrent in ubuntu 12.04?
[09:28] <richf> \window close
[09:28] <lotuspsychje> cloneG: right mouse click on a torrent and choose application transmission as default
[09:28] <lotuspsychje> cloneG: or in firefox choose default app transmission
[09:29] <lotuspsychje> cloneG: or browse manually to transmission-gtk
[09:29] <cloneG> lotuspsychje: path to transmission-gtk?
[09:30] <cloneG> lotuspsychje: where are usually all applications in ubuntu stored? I cant find much at usr/bin
[09:31] <lotuspsychje> cloneG: try usr/share/applications
[09:31] <cloneG> lotuspsychje: thanks
[09:32] <lotuspsychje> afidegnum: did you find the http:// zoneminder web config?
[09:32] <cloneG> lotuspsychje: not there
[09:32] <afidegnum> no
[09:33] <afidegnum> you mean on /zm ?
[09:34] <lotuspsychje> afidegnum: after you installed zm it has a webadress to config it all i think
[09:34] <lotuspsychje> afidegnum: http://www.zoneminder.com/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu
[09:35] <afidegnum> ok
[09:36] <lotuspsychje> afidegnum: open zoneminder in webbrowser: http://serverip/zm
[09:36] <afidegnum> ok,
[09:36] <lotuspsychje> cloneG: on wich ubuntu version are you?
[09:36] <lotuspsychje> cloneG: transmission should be installed by default..
[09:37] <afidegnum> I was reading you can stream video from vlc to zoneminder, how possible?
[09:37] <afidegnum> can you provide a link to that?
[09:37] <lotuspsychje> afidegnum: you can open an url with vlc, thats correct.. never tryed it with a specific zoneminder ip server yet
[09:38] <cloneG> lotusspsychje: 12.04, but I dont know where default applications executables are stored if any
[09:38] <afidegnum> that's where I am confused
[09:44] <afidegnum> so is zoneminder which streams the videos to vlc or the other way round?
[09:44] <lotuspsychje> afidegnum: not sure mate, never done it myself..but i think you need the ip of your vps/passwords
[09:45] <lotuspsychje> afidegnum: the vps will stream the url to vlc, vlc is just the client that will show it
[09:46] <lotuspsychje> afidegnum: unless you want stream from your own machine, where the video recording happens?
[09:46] <lotuspsychje> afidegnum: the vps will then only be used to store the video's
[09:46] <afidegnum> yes, that's what I am looking for
[09:46] <afidegnum> exactly
[09:46] <afidegnum> That's what I want to do.
[09:47] <lotuspsychje> afidegnum: then you need your own internal ip zoneminder server to stream url to vlc
[09:47] <afidegnum> because i don't have enough processing resources, I need to do that from the end pc,
[09:47] <afidegnum> then store the video to the VPC so I can view or play them when I am away, online
[09:47] <forte> ....
[09:47] <lotuspsychje> afidegnum: try http://127.0.0.1/zm
[09:48] <afidegnum> so meaning vlc will be available online to stream the videos right ?
[09:48] <afidegnum> and I want to have a multi-user setup as well,
[09:48] <afidegnum> different user with different videos
[09:49] <lotuspsychje> afidegnum: you can do both ways...stream url's with vlc on remote, and stream them localy from your machine
[09:49] <lotuspsychje> afidegnum: maybe the #vlc guys can give you a hand howto do it properly
[09:49] <afidegnum> ok
[09:50] <lotuspsychje> afidegnum: but i would start with own http zoneminder config
[09:51] <afidegnum> ok, let me get this clearer, on the desktop, I install zoneminder there, stream video to a VPS serer having also zoneminder?
[09:52] <lotuspsychje> afidegnum: no its not realy streaming to the vps, only use vps to store recorded video's
[09:53] <lotuspsychje> afidegnum: unless you actually want an online server all the way?
[09:53] <lotuspsychje> afidegnum: and not use your own machine
[09:53] <afidegnum> no
[09:53] <afidegnum> I want to store the recorded videos there
[09:54] <ram_> thor
[09:55] <afidegnum> lotuspsychje: I can use zoneminder to save the videos remotely right?
[09:55] <lotuspsychje> afidegnum: normally yes, its all about how you config it
[09:56] <afidegnum> ok
[09:56] <afidegnum> meaning i Have to use a different applications to play the video files online
[09:56] <afidegnum> am I right ?
[09:57] <lotuspsychje> afidegnum: depending on how your vps will show those video files, you can stream then in a browser
[09:58] <afidegnum> ok
[09:58] <afidegnum> I understand
[09:58] <lotuspsychje> afidegnum: but we are getting a bit offtopic from ubuntu here
[09:58] <afidegnum> yes, I know, please bear with me for that
[09:58] <lotuspsychje> afidegnum: try to config your ubuntu zm correctly and it will be great
[09:59] <afidegnum> ok
[09:59] <ovrflw0x> error while loading shared libraries: libz.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[10:00] <ovrflw0x> what's new name for ia32-libs on ubuntu 13.10?
[10:01] <lotuspsychje> !find ia32
[10:01] <ovrflw0x> lotuspsychje: ?
[10:03] <Thibultmol> Hi, I have a 'issue' with my ubuntu installation (13.10x64). When I boot up the brightness is at maximum but when I press the Fn key to increase the brightness it goes down to the maximum that ubuntu thinks is the maximum. How do I fix this?
[10:07] <nf7> How can I get /etc/crontab to run a script as if it is in the same working directory as the script?
[10:08] <dptzilla> cd ?
[10:10] <bekks> nf7: in cron, you should never depend on relative paths, but always use absolute entries only.
[10:10] <dptzilla> nf7:  cd /path ; ./Script.sh
[10:11] <anex> im running the new virualbox and im on windows 7 x64 trying to run a ubuntu x64 iso but it just sits there after it counts to "0" but it will load 32 bit, any idea on how to run the x64?
[10:13] <Beldar> anex, There's a #vbox channel if you get no answer here.
[10:13] <anex>  k thx
[10:15] <Guest91546> How to remove launcher
[10:16] <Beldar> anex, here is some relative info though. http://askubuntu.com/questions/41550/how-do-i-run-a-64-bit-guest-in-virtualbox
[10:16] <Guest91546> How to remove lanucher from ubuntu desktop
[10:19] <Beldar> Guest91546, Is there a send to trash with a right click on it?
[10:20] <Guest25800> How to reset desktop setting on Ubuntu Linux 12.04.1
[10:21] <Beldar> Guest25800, reset?
[10:22] <peturip> hello
[10:22] <Beldar> Guest25800, you can reset unity and compiz, can you more specific?
[10:22] <Beldar> be*
[10:23] <mug896> i have installed 13.10 64bit in my notebook but OS is randomly freezed during use ... im scared
[10:24] <sandman13> what would be the best downloader for ubuntu?
[10:24] <Beldar> !best | sandman13
[10:25] <Beldar> sandman13, Onboard you have the software center and apt-get
[10:26] <Beldar> mug896, How much ram do you have?
[10:28] <Xeno-Genesis> I'm looking for someone who knows GTK+ enough to be dangerous to help me fix an Ubuntu bug
[10:28] <Xeno-Genesis> it's something that affects NetworkManager, I'm reading the code since a week ago and I'd like some guidance
[10:29] <Beldar> Xeno-Genesis, This is support, is there a bug reported?
[10:29] <Xeno-Genesis> sure
[10:29] <Xeno-Genesis> let me find it
[10:30] <SASDOE> guys i'm having trouble accessing my local server by it's domain name at home. i understand i need a loopback or another alternative. I was thinking i could change the computers local dns to one at the domain name registar
[10:30] <ikonia> SASDOE: what you just said makes no sense
[10:30] <SASDOE> is that a good idea or just plain stupid? what happens now is whenever i access my website at it's domain name i reach my router's page.
[10:31] <ikonia> SASDOE: why don't you just explain what's not working as you want
[10:31] <Xeno-Genesis> SASDOE, bug 1179070
[10:32] <SASDOE> ikonia: sorry. Whenever I reach mywebsite.com, it works fine outside my network, but from inside my lan I reach my router, not the server hosting the website
[10:32] <Xeno-Genesis> SASDOE, it's quite easy to reproduce, I'm doing some debugging with Nevimer right now, but I'd like to get a GTK+ expert to help me out with a couple of questions
[10:32] <ikonia> SASDOE: where is the server hosting the website ?
[10:32] <SASDOE> ikonia: on my local network
[10:33] <ikonia> SASDOE: so where does dns point to ?
[10:34] <SASDOE> ikonia: not sure I understand. I would like to land on the same website wheter or not I am at home
[10:34] <SASDOE> Xeno-Genesis: I am not sure that has anything to do with my problem, but thanks.
[10:34] <ikonia> SASDOE: where is dns pointing your URL to
[10:35] <SASDOE> ikonia: my home ip I believe.
[10:35] <ikonia> SASDOE: so it's pointing at your public IP - which is bound to your router ?
[10:37] <SASDOE> ikonia: I have told my router to redirect port 80 to the server though
[10:37] <ikonia> SASDOE: right, so that's why it's not working
[10:37] <ikonia> SASDOE: your router will redirect from the outside world, you're not hitting it from the outside world, which is why you get the router welcome page
[10:39] <SASDOE> ikonia: what I don't understand is it used to work properly without a problem. Also now I have told the router that the server is called website.com, so souldn't the router send them straigt to the server?
[10:40] <ikonia> SASDOE: no, it's port forwarding, not dns resolution
[10:40] <ikonia> SASDOE: telling the router what the server is called means nothing
[10:40] <ikonia> SASDOE: the best way to fix this simpley for you is to put an entry in your /etc/host file on your client
[10:41] <SASDOE> ikonia: that would be a pain given I only own laptops that I constantly move around.
[10:41] <ikonia> SASDOE: then you need to set up dns and routing properly
[10:42] <SASDOE> ikonia: but the port forwarding works fine from the outside.. How can I fix it to work from the inside?
[10:42] <ikonia> SASDOE: setup dns properly
[10:43] <ikonia> SASDOE: or fix your router to act as a passthrough properly
[10:43] <SASDOE> ikonia: router settings are not modifiable because of tv and voip settings
[10:44] <ikonia> SASDOE: then you have a badly designed network
[10:44] <ikonia> SASDOE: I'm assuming you don't manage the dns server hosting your domain
[10:45] <SASDOE> ikonia: tell that to orange
[10:45] <ikonia> SASDOE: errr what has it got to do with orange ?
[10:45] <SASDOE> ikonia: no but I can, I think.
[10:45] <ikonia> SASDOE: who owns/manages the dns server hosting your domain
[10:45] <SASDOE> ikonia: it's their router that cannot have it's setting changed if I still want TV
[10:46] <SASDOE> ikonia: I believe it's gandi, the domain registar I bough my domain from.
[10:46] <ikonia> SASDOE: this problem has nothing to do with orange
[10:46] <ikonia> SASDOE: ok, so who manages the dns for your local network
[10:47] <SASDOE> ikonia: dns for my local network are enforced in the orange router. They cannot be modified.
[10:47] <ikonia> actually, we are moving out of range for a realistic solution for you
[10:47] <ikonia> SASDOE: talk to Orange then
[10:47] <SASDOE> ikonia: that's what I figured.
[10:48] <SASDOE> ikonia: so what I want is a loopback or pass-through?
[10:48] <ikonia> no
[10:48] <ikonia> loopback ????
[10:49] <SASDOE> That's what some people recommend. But they are french so could be translation
[10:49] <ikonia> your router either needs to manage port forwarding better as a clean pass through (doubtful from what you are saying) or you need to map a local host entry to the internal ip address of the server, so it doesn't touch your router - but you said you didn't want to do that
[10:50] <SASDOE> ikonia: Ok I'll give it a try, thanks.
[10:50] <ITAL0> hello all
[10:50] <Gilligan94> is there an IRC for ubuntu server?
[10:51] <ikonia> you are on the ubuntu irc server
[10:51] <Thibultmol> Hi, I'm having an issue executing the 'nautilus -q' command. Error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6498418/
[10:51] <DJones> Gilligan94: If you mean a specific channel for Ubuntu Server edition, the #ubuntu-server
[10:51] <ITAL0> I'm looking for a service that associate a dinamic ip to a fix domain name , but I don't know how it's named
[10:51] <Gilligan94> thanks DJones
[10:51] <ITAL0> anyone know this service pls?
[10:52] <Thibultmol> ITAL0: I have used http://www.noip.com/ in the past
[10:53]  * ITAL0 Thibultmol I go to see , thx Thibultmol 
[10:53] <_root_> Subsystem sftp /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server is it engough to make SFTP with read and write access running?
[10:53] <_root_> i put that in sshd_config
[10:56] <Thibultmol> So does anybody know why I am getting this error when use the command 'sudo nautilus -q'
[10:57] <DJones> !gksudo | Thibultmol
[10:59] <Thibultmol> Thank you guys. But something still isn't right. I'm following this guide http://www.noobslab.com/2013/10/add-open-as-rootadministrator-option-in.html but I need to restart nautilus but 'gksudo nautilus -q' doesnt work
[11:03] <MonkeyDust> Thibultmol  it's a ppa, maybe you should contact the maintainer
[11:04] <Thibultmol> right
[11:05] <hst> hi all
[11:10] <Thibultmol> Would do you guys use when you have to open a file or folder'file explorer' as root. Do you use the terminal or some other methode that I don't know baout
[11:10] <ab`> i can't  hide rhythmbox window, alt-f4 fully terminates it just like ctrl-q. any idea?
[11:12] <ikonia> just run the file manager as root
[11:12] <Thibultmol> Guess that's the best option
[11:13] <bekks> thats the worst idea.
[11:14] <ikonia> bekks: why is that the worst idea ?
[11:14] <bekks> Thibultmol: which folder do you talk about?
[11:15] <bekks> ikonia: Because people most likely just mess up permission or break other things when doing their work with a root filemanager and then forget about the fact they are using a root filemanager.
[11:15] <ikonia> bekks: that's their problem if they are not careful
[11:18] <meddy> i havving problems updating my system
[11:20] <Thibultmol> bekks: Just a folder from somewhere that I want to as root
[11:22] <MonkeyDust> meddy  what kind of problems?
[11:27] <MonkeyDust> ab`  click on the sound icon on top, there you find rhytmbox
[11:31] <ab`> MonkeyDust: i just realized rhythmbox only persist when there is something being played, i was foolishly trying without playing anything. thanks.
[11:33] <deanrock0> hi, what does it mean if ubuntu stops around "/dev/mapper/hostname--vg-root: clean, * files, * blocks" but everything else works (ssh and other services)?
[11:34] <ikonia> deanrock0: it's not stopping, it's telling you the file system is clean
[11:40] <aaaaaaaaaaa> Hi, I'm installing ubuntu 12.04.3 alongside windows 8 on a Lenovo y410P laptop and the partition manager is giving me a sliding scale for the resize of the windows GPT partition, but doesn't indicate which side will stay win8 and which will become ubuntu. Also, I just want to note that I had to manually turn on the backlight via FNkey+UParrow to see anything.
[11:42] <aaaaaaaaaaa> I assume people here have installed ubuntu, so is there a Tooltip, or is windows always on the right in the installer, etc?
[11:42] <ikonia> aaaaaaaaaaa: you're "resizing" the exisitng partition - the existing partition is windows
[11:43] <aaaaaaaaaaa> sure, but which side is which
[11:43] <ikonia> aaaaaaaaaaa: how many partitions are on your system
[11:43] <deanrock0> ikonia: well, i thought that it would drop to login screen ... and not just "hang"
[11:43] <aaaaaaaaaaa> 8
[11:43] <ikonia> aaaaaaaaaaa: you have 8 partitions on your system ?
[11:43] <aaaaaaaaaaa> err, 9, 8 hidden
[11:43] <hassen_> Given that i entered this command to download Psysharper [ sudo apt-get install python-geoip python-tk tk8.5 python-pmw tcpdump ] where could I run the [ sudo make install ] command to install that application?
[11:43] <ikonia> aaaaaaaaaaa: what are all those partitions for ?
[11:43] <aaaaaaaaaaa> yeah, lenovo ships it that way
[11:43] <aaaaaaaaaaa> good question
[11:44] <aaaaaaaaaaa> probably 1 is for the EFUI bootloader
[11:44] <ikonia> aaaaaaaaaaa: I'm not touching that, bottom line is you resize the partition and free spce will be before/after the partition you are resizing depending on where you drag the slider
[11:44] <aaaaaaaaaaa> 1 is for the lenovo window installer since they don't give CDs or stickers anymore. not sure about the rest.
[11:44] <bekks> hassen_: In the directory where you are building the sources of psysharper.
[11:44] <azsxdcfvgbhnjm> ciao
[11:45] <hassen_> bekks, how can I know it?i don't have a clue
[11:45] <azsxdcfvgbhnjm> list
[11:45] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[11:45] <ikonia> azsxdcfvgbhnjm: there are no wares here
[11:45] <aaaaaaaaaaa> ikonia: ok, so the left half is windows and the right side is what is cut off for the new ubuntu install?
[11:45] <ikonia> aaaaaaaaaaa: yes, where ever you make the free space
[11:46] <azsxdcfvgbhnjm> hallo
[11:46] <bekks> hassen_: the command you entered installs a bunch of packages - not psysharper. Whereever you got that command from they should explain on how to build psysharper.
[11:46] <azsxdcfvgbhnjm> !list
[11:46] <aaaaaaaaaaa> that information should be added to the installer, it is not clear and assumes left to right orientation.
[11:46] <meddy> anyone can help me with my update problem?
[11:47] <bekks> meddy: Did you already state a specific problem?
[11:47] <ikonia> aaaaaaaaaaa: it's clear
[11:47] <ikonia> aaaaaaaaaaa: you are resizing a partition - the partition will be where you create the free space, it's clear
[11:47] <meddy> i have a working interent connection but everytime i try to update it says failed to downlaod repository check my internet connection
[11:47] <aaaaaaaaaaa> ikonia: perhaps in english
[11:48] <bekks> meddy: Can you pastebin the entire output please?
[11:48] <aaaaaaaaaaa> ikonia, ok thanks for clearing that up.
[11:48] <ikonia> aaaaaaaaaaa: no, without any words/lanaguage
[11:48] <bekks> !pastebin | meddy
[11:49] <DeepBlue> EM255E37:  hi
[11:49] <meddy> i don't know what else to show  i tried removing my PPA try doing it though terminal but no sucess
[11:50] <ikonia> meddy: how about showing what bekks' asked for
[11:50] <bekks> meddy: show us the entire output you can see. We cant guess it.
[11:51] <meddy> http://imagebin.org/279647
[11:51] <Purefan> Hello all!. My Natty server cant fetch repos anymore, 404 errors and dont know what to do, any advise?
[11:52] <aaaaaaaaaaa> ikonia: after I click the accept write and that I understand this action cannot be undone, it does give information (says Windows, has a picture, and says its mount point). Prior to that there is NO LABELING whatsoever.
[11:52] <ikonia> meddy: sudo apt-get update please pastebin the output
[11:52] <bekks> meddy: PAstebin the output of "sudo apt-get update" please.
[11:52] <aaaaaaaaaaa> clearly a bug either way
[11:52] <ikonia> aaaaaaaaaaa: that's not a bug
[11:52] <aaaaaaaaaaa> feature
[11:52] <ikonia> aaaaaaaaaaa: no
[11:53] <meddy> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6498616/
[11:53] <ikonia> you still have the cd source enabled
[11:53] <racho> meddy, disable that cdrom source
[11:54] <meddy> via software sources?
[11:54] <ikonia> sure
[11:58] <adv_am> hello. I am a newbie, a noob, and have recently started using elementary os, which is based on ubuntu.
[11:58] <meddy> it fixed!!! here a thing i wonder is it been about a week and a half and it says my system is up to date but it hard to believe due to the time frame...
[11:58] <adv_am> I updated the linux kernel which is now giving me an error if i do anything memory extensive
[11:59] <ikonia> adv_am: you need to use the elementary support channel, we only support ubuntu
[11:59] <DeepBlue> EM255E37:  what's up?
[11:59] <adv_am> ikonia: can u send me the server name for their irc?
[11:59] <ikonia> adv_am: I'm sure it's on their website
[12:01] <aaaaaaaaaaa> What channel could I ask questions about CUDA and OpenCL under linux?
[12:07] <hassen_> aaaaaaaaaaa, what is your distro?
[12:08] <Purefan> Hi guys, Im having problems updating my Natty server, getting 404
[12:08] <Purefan> any advise?
[12:09] <bekks> !eolupgrade | Purefan
[12:09] <aaaaaaaaaaa> hassen_: I'm installing Ubuntu 12.04.03 as I type. But I want to also run it on 13.10 if possible (at least the binaries).
[12:11] <cfhowlett> Purefan, in other words, download and install a currently supported distro - I suggest you go with 12.04 Long-Term-Support
[12:13] <Purefan> Thanks guys! I think I'll do that instead of upgrade :)
[12:13] <aguitel> anyone trying to install epson multifunction cx 5600 ?
[12:14] <cfhowlett> Purefan, set your update options to LTS only and upgrade to 14.04 in April
[12:14] <Purefan> thing is I need to install mysql-server but the repos dont work anymore and dont want to download and compile unless I really have to
[12:15] <Purefan> and now that I learned that natty is no longer supported it makes sense to jump on the train and get a supported one
[12:15] <cfhowlett> Purefan, bite the bullet, amigo.
[12:15] <Purefan> and Raring's EOF is in january lol
[12:16] <Purefan> oh yeah Duh!
[12:16] <cfhowlett> Purefan, LTS has 5 years support ...
[12:16] <Purefan> sorry that's why 12.04 was recommended
[12:16] <cfhowlett> :)
[12:16] <Purefan> :P going with Precise 8)
[12:17] <cfhowlett> Purefan, if you have issues, ask here or in #ubuntuserver.  By the way, I'm guessing your hardware is equally --- vintage - as your OS?  You might want to get xubuntu or lubuntu as they are both optimized for older and lower spec machines
[12:18] <aaaaaaaaaaa> Fresh install Ubuntu 12.04.03 breaks windows 8 bootloader on new lenovo y410p and overwrites \Boot\BCD giving Status 0xc000000e
[12:19] <bekks> aaaaaaaaaaa: Thats expected.
[12:19] <bekks> !grub2 | aaaaaaaaaaa
[12:19] <cfhowlett> Purefan, LTS: 5 years support on the server, 3 years on the desktop it appears
[12:19] <hassen_> is ubuntu considered a Debian system?
[12:19] <bunnyflop> only problems with 8
[12:19] <Purefan> Im actually using a rackspace cloud server (1GB Ram)
[12:19] <cfhowlett> hassen_, it's derived from Debian
[12:19] <aaaaaaaaaaa> and to fix?
[12:19] <Purefan> thanks for pointing me to #ubuntuserver :) will bookmark it
[12:19] <aaaaaaaaaaa> bekks: ^
[12:19] <cfhowlett> Purefan, so this is a server?  no gui?
[12:19] <Purefan> yup
[12:20] <cfhowlett> Purefan, nice.
[12:20] <Purefan> :) it does its job, but its getting promoted and needs a newer OS hehe
[12:20] <miscel06> ciao
[12:21] <miscel06> !list
[12:21] <aaaaaaaaaaa> Also, both the regular installer and wubi is now broken?
[12:21] <cfhowlett> aaaaaaaaaaa, wubi?  people still mess with that mess?
[12:21] <bekks> aaaaaaaaaaa: wubi is not supported on windows 8.
[12:22] <aaaaaaaaaaa>  well, when I booted up it showed up and started installing 12.04.1 from my 12.04.03 dvd.
[12:22] <BluesKaj> I thought wubi just had it's support discontinued
[12:22] <bekks> BluesKaj: which is basically the same :)
[12:22] <cfhowlett> BluesKaj, I really ^3 hope so ...
[12:22] <aaaaaaaaaaa> anyway, how do I make the windows 8 bootable again
[12:22] <aaaaaaaaaaa> grub lists it, but it cannot boot it.
[12:22] <bekks> aaaaaaaaaaa: grab your windows 8 cd, and repair your boot environment.
[12:22] <BluesKaj> cfhowlett. bekks yes , and good riddance :)
[12:23] <aaaaaaaaaaa> will it be able to boot linux?
[12:23] <bekks> aaaaaaaaaaa: the windows 8 cd isnt capable of booting linux.
[12:23] <aaaaaaaaaaa> also, I didn't get a win8 cd from lenovo they put it on a partition.
[12:23] <bekks> aaaaaaaaaaa: And you didnt create rescue media then?
[12:23] <aaaaaaaaaaa> I bought the laptop directly from them
[12:24] <BluesKaj> aaaaaaaaaaa. which lenovo ?
[12:24] <aaaaaaaaaaa> I backed up the whole harddrive via REDO
[12:24] <cfhowlett> aaaaaaaaaaa, look on your lappy for the license key and download the ISO digitalriver IINM
[12:24] <aaaaaaaaaaa> BluesKaj: y410p, and the license key is on the MOBO, not as a sticker its some internal chip
[12:25] <bekks> aaaaaaaaaaa: it isnt "on the mobo" - you just have an OEM version, without a sticker.
[12:26] <aaaaaaaaaaa> ?
[12:26] <Purefan> Getting Precise now :) Thanks all for your help, enjoy your weekend!
[12:26] <bekks> aaaaaaaaaaa: lenove told you to create rescue media at first boot. now you need them.
[12:27] <aaaaaaaaaaa> when did they tell me to do that?
[12:27] <bekks> aaaaaaaaaaa: "at first boot".
[12:27] <cfhowlett> ^^^^ exactly.  also recommended repeatedly in the documentation
[12:27] <Xeno-Genesis> hey, I submitted a patch for bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-applet/+bug/1185330
[12:27] <aaaaaaaaaaa> wait are you saying Linux is dropped?
[12:27] <aaaaaaaaaaa> oh
[12:27] <Xeno-Genesis> what's the next step?
[12:27] <BluesKaj> aaaaaaaaaaa. , nice laptop , just oredered the G500
[12:27] <aaaaaaaaaaa> It is an either \ or thing for linux and windows now
[12:28] <BluesKaj> aaaaaaaaaaa. the y410p looks very nice
[12:28] <Xeno-Genesis> please email instructions to get that fix into the code to root@xeno-genesis.com
[12:28] <Xeno-Genesis> if someone is willing to help me get that patch into prod
[12:28] <Xeno-Genesis> thanks
[12:28] <bekks> aaaaaaaaaaa: its a linux only thing now, your windows is broken and you cant repair it. All you could do is restoring the entire disk backup hoping that the boot environment will be restored too.
[12:29] <cfhowlett> BluesKaj, my '09 is Dell is reaching replacement stage.  I've worn the finger nubs off J and F.  That new M3800 looks sweet but awaiting word on linux/ubuntu support
[12:31] <aaaaaaaaaaa> nah, I'll just stop developing on linux until a proper bootloader exists. I'll re-installing windows
[12:32] <bekks> aaaaaaaaaaa: With which cd...? With which key...? :)
[12:32] <cfhowlett> LOL
[12:32] <aaaaaaaaaaa> bit for bit from the backup I made with REDO bootable linux
[12:33] <bekks> aaaaaaaaaaa: thats "restoring a backup" and not "reinstalling windows".
[12:33] <bekks> aaaaaaaaaaa: And it is unclear wether that will give you a bootable windows.
[12:35] <aaaaaaaaaaa> I have an OEM system builders DVD too, just not from Lenovo but I don't want to waste that license
[12:35] <aaaaaaaaaaa> For the desktop I built
[12:35] <aaaaaaaaaaa> *from
[12:35] <bekks> aaaaaaaaaaa: well, options are clear.
[12:36] <aaaaaaaaaaa> Are there any plans to port grub or linux installers to modern computers?
[12:36] <bekks> aaaaaaaaaaa: grub works on modern computers.
[12:36] <BluesKaj> cfhowlett. I had an elcheapo acer laptop which ran Kubuntu very nicely , too bad the build quality was so poor , but I'm looking forward to this new Lenovo , should be here on Mon or Tue , and I'll probly need help installing Linux , due to my unfamiliarity with the UEFI/BIOS .
[12:37] <aaaaaaaaaaa> only using ~1980's hdd schemes apparently though
[12:37] <cfhowlett> BluesKaj, that exact issue is why I'm keeping one eye on the XPS 13 developer Editoin ...
[12:37] <ikonia> aaaaaaaaaaa: please stop with the stupid ocmments
[12:37] <bekks> aaaaaaaaaaa: Nope, thats wrong.
[12:37] <ikonia> aaaaaaaaaaa: gpt partitions work just fine
[12:40] <BluesKaj> cfhowlett. nice machine :)
[12:41] <cfhowlett> BluesKaj, ain't she?
[12:42] <maxiaojun> any gui man page viewer for ubuntu 12.04+ ?
[12:45] <hassen_> "Samba is an implementation of the SMB/CIFS protocol for Unix systems, providing support for cross-platform file"
[12:45] <hassen_> said ubuntu
[12:45] <hassen_> sii need it to access my music in my win7 partition?
[12:45] <hassen_> so*
[12:46] <ObrienDave> you mean to just play the files?
[12:47] <hassen_> share my win 7 music folder with  ubuntu
[12:47] <Industrial> Why does ubuntu rename the nodejs binary from 'node' to 'nodejs' ? this is breaking other packages ...
[12:47] <cfhowlett> hassen_, dual booting?  mount the windows and play the files
[12:47] <aaaaaaaaaaa> ikonia: that's both rude and incorrect. I appreciate you verifying what should have been working on the installer, but what I've said is all correct.
[12:47] <Industrial> things like #!/usr/bin/env node
[12:47] <Industrial> stop working
[12:47] <aaaaaaaaaaa> that said, I have them playing nicely together now
[12:47] <ikonia> aaaaaaaaaaa: no, it's not
[12:48] <aaaaaaaaaaa> except grub which doesn't work right
[12:48] <ikonia> aaaaaaaaaaa: you're upset because it didn't work how you wanted and made stupid comments about it not working on modern partition formats
[12:48] <hassen_> yes, already dual boot :)
[12:49] <hassen_> doh..audacity stopped responding,now its windows has turned to black-white style
[12:49] <hassen_> *window*
[12:49] <ObrienDave> hassen_, I just play them, no need for Samba that I know of
[12:50] <kalakjsd> hi all, anyone using sakis3g script here
[12:50] <racho> Industrial, yes it is stupid but you can put this in your .bashrc to negate some of the damage: alias node=/usr/bin/nodejs
[12:50] <kalakjsd> i need a little help
[12:51] <aaaaaaaaaaa> ikonia: For the record I'm not angry, simple frustrated, ignoring errors in an installer which results in showstopper bugs out of fandom is stupid, however. We can leave it at that.
[12:52] <kalakjsd> i want to set USER_PASS AND USER NAME variable in sakis 3g, i don't want to enter them everytime
[12:53] <kalakjsd> i want it to connect it without asking for username and password, because they are blank and not needed in India for most of providers
[12:53] <kalakjsd> and this is mentioned in GUI that i can automate that, but i don't know how to automate the process
[12:54] <mjayk> haya all
[12:54] <cfhowlett> mjayk, greetings
[12:55] <ravn> hey
[13:01] <Teor> ЯR, ИN
[13:02] <hassen_> doh..i'm sure that when installing ubuntu, i chose my account's password as 'azertyb' but why can't that pass used for "su root" ?
[13:02] <ikonia> hassen_: because you don't "su root"
[13:02] <ikonia> hassen_: the root account is locked
[13:03] <hassen_> does it have another known password?
[13:03] <yeats> hassen_: you want to change your password since you just shared it in a public and publicly logged IRC channel
[13:03] <ikonia> hassen_: no, it's "locked"
[13:03] <ikonia> !sudo | hassen_
[13:03] <hassen_> so how can I do some work involving 'su root'??
[13:04] <ikonia> hassen_: read the link ubottu has just sent you
[13:04] <ikonia> hassen_: you should not su root at all
[13:04] <aaaaaaaaaaa> BluesKaj: if you run into the same issue on your g500 when you get it, I got it to working using a bootable bootloader (EFI boot manager utility) since grub fails to pull windows up.
[13:04] <hassen_> Understood.
[13:04] <Promille> hassen_: http://askubuntu.com/questions/6676/why-is-there-no-option-to-login-as-root
[13:04] <hassen_> Promille, thanks.
[13:05] <Promille> hassen_: np :)
[13:05] <BluesKaj> aaaaaaaaaaa .EFI boot manager utility , got a URL ?
[13:08] <box_> #tglobe
[13:08] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EFIBootLoaders
[13:09] <UnHolyTerror> hassen_, By default the 'root' account is not assigned a password, so you couldn't login as root if you wanted too. The only way is to assign root a password then you can switch users/login as root just like any other account.
[13:10] <UnHolyTerror> hassen_, but you should see in those links why there is no need to do that.
[13:10] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje. , thanks.  the rEFInd looks promising
[13:10] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: trying a dualboot?
[13:11] <aaaaaaaaaaa> rEFInd
[13:11] <aaaaaaaaaaa> http://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/
[13:11] <aaaaaaaaaaa> http://sourceforge.net/projects/refind/
[13:11] <hassen_> UnHolyTerror, i deal much with bash scripting,root is required for many commands there.
[13:12] <hassen_> they are wise though,putting root in the hand of any kind of users is risky.
[13:12]  * ewoirhweurhuhrwe is having sex with selena gomez <3
[13:13] <hassen_> ikonia, do you have that nice Acer laptop?
[13:13] <ikonia> what acer laptop ? (I don't have an acer laptop anyway)
[13:13] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje. I will be when the new laptop is delivered ..gonna need Windows for a while as well . so dual boot is it
[13:14] <hassen_> ikonia, never heard of Acer Iconia?
[13:14] <ikonia> no
[13:16] <hassen_> ikonia, http://img.clubic.com/03772908-photo-acer-iconia-1.jpg
[13:17] <aaaaaaaaaaa> is that a second screen?
[13:17] <ObrienDave> ooo0, spill proof keyboard?
[13:17] <sandman13> is that Lenovo Yoga?
[13:17] <Belial`> that thing is ugly as sin
[13:17] <fault3r> Hi all
[13:17] <bekks> hassen_: thats the iconia tab with a keyboard, isnt it?
[13:18] <hassen_> bekks, yes,a double-touch laptop
[13:18] <hassen_> seems epic
[13:18] <fault3r> How can i install SandyBridge? [that is a Intel Graphic Driver]
[13:18] <bekks> hassen_: For whatever but working with that crap.
[13:18] <hassen_> bekks, why?
[13:18] <sandman13> what you guys think about KDE? I'm in a doubt. Should i install it or not?
[13:18] <picca> sandman13: don't do it
[13:18] <LjL> !polls
[13:19] <hassen_> bekks, imaging touch ubuntu's UI buttons :)
[13:19] <bekks> fault3r: Sandy Bridge is a hardware component, which is already installed. The driver you are looking for is named "i915"
[13:19] <fault3r> sandman13: gnome is better
[13:19] <hassen_> *imagine*
[13:19] <fault3r> sandman13: dont do it
[13:19] <picca> sander: fluxbox is the future
[13:19] <LjL> sandman13: that can only be answered after knowing your needs and preferences, if at all. anyway, it's a better topic for #ubuntu-offtopic
[13:19] <LjL> picca, fault3r: see above also
[13:19] <picca> LjL: i am joking
[13:19] <sandman13> LjL help me there
[13:19] <bekks> hassen_: I prefer to work with a computer instead of touching my laptop with both hands.
[13:20] <fault3r> bekks: Hi, I need Intel Graphic Driver
[13:20] <koyetsu> CLI is the only way to go! just figured i'd throw that in
[13:20] <fault3r> bekks: it's for Dell inspiron n4030
[13:21] <picca> koyetsu: mc, moc, lynx, irssi, what else you do you need in life?
[13:21] <BluesKaj> sandman13. KDE is great , been using it for a long time
[13:21] <koyetsu> is there a way to mirror only 1 specific release of ubuntu with apt-mirror? i only want 12.04.3 not all 150gb of releases
[13:22] <cfhowlett> !mirror|koyetsu, of course
[13:22] <hassen_> bekks, i see.
[13:22] <cfhowlett> eh, not that one
[13:22] <koyetsu> picca, i was only half kidding when i comes to linux i use cli for direct config and webmin if i just need to poke something no X on my systems
[13:24] <aaaaaaaaaaa> If we're voting for ui's, then xfce when I can, terminal when I can't
[13:24] <fault3r> bekks: i915 is for Intel graphics?
[13:24] <picca> fault3r: yup
[13:24] <fault3r> bekks: is i915 for Intel graphics?* :D
[13:24] <koyetsu> ok, in that case can someone tell me why when using an iso of 12.04.3 mounted to my ../www/ubuntu/ dir and pxe booting with a ks file pointing there i get a bad mirror error? when i goto console 4 it says that "mirror does not support the specified release (precise)"
[13:25] <fault3r> picca: thanks
[13:26] <picca> fault3r: no probs
[13:26] <young001> hi,all I wanna split a file into two files,one is 100k,and the other is the left,how to do that? "split" command seems to only split file into same files
[13:27] <fault3r> Pici: where can i find i915?
[13:28] <llutz> young001: split -b 100k   will do
[13:28] <fault3r> Pici: i found it :D
[13:28] <young001> llutz, it seems split will split the file into same pieces of 100k
[13:29] <young001> llutz, if a file is 300k,I wanna split into 100k and 200k
[13:29] <bekks> young001: then you are using it not correctly.
[13:29] <bekks> young001: you want to split into 200 and 100...
[13:29] <young001> bekks, if the file is 500k,I wanna split into 100k and 400k
[13:30] <llutz> young001: split -b 400k
[13:30] <koyetsu> basically he only wants the first 100k in the first file
[13:30] <bekks> young001: 400 and 100, instead of 100 and 400.
[13:30] <llutz> whyever, makes no sense
[13:30] <koyetsu> sounds like he needs to parse the most recent logs or something
[13:30] <young001> llutz, thx
[13:31] <bekks> koyetsu: then he should use grep and sed instead of split.
[13:31] <koyetsu> i didn't claim to be an expert
[13:31] <MajSlayer7777> me 2
[13:31] <llutz> young001: dd if=file of=file1.out bs=100k count=1          same for the 2nd file with different bs
[13:31] <MajSlayer7777> PH freaking D
[13:32] <young001> llutz, thx
[13:32] <bekks> llutz: head -c 100k ?
[13:32] <koyetsu> so any ideas on why ubuntu says it's iso isn't a valid mirror?
[13:32] <llutz> bekks: about 2mio ways to do it
[13:33] <streulma> Hello, how can I make the text on my screen sharper?
[13:33] <fault3r> what is the command to detect my graphic card? [not lspci]
[13:33] <bekks> fault3r: that is the command, lspci.
[13:33] <streulma> is there a ppa for Gutenprint drivers ?
[13:37] <hassen> what does the Ctrl+Alt+F1 do?i got a black command-line input screen
[13:37] <hassen> then rebooted
[13:39] <Industrial> I installed node.js from source which installed a /usr/local/bin/node. if I type in node in the commandline I get the error that I should Install node from the package
[13:39] <Industrial> when I run which node
[13:39] <syeekick> hassen,  thats a tty1 session, to get out of it pres ctrl+alt f7
[13:39] <Industrial> it points to /usr/local/bin/node
[13:39] <fault3r> bekks: dude?
[13:39] <young001> llutz, how to split the file based on lines,such as 100 lines?thx
[13:40] <bekks> fault3r: ?
[13:40] <fault3r> bekks: 	Kernel driver in use: i915
[13:40] <bekks> young001: split -l ...
[13:40] <fault3r> bekks: Kernel modules: i915
[13:40] <bekks> fault3r: Nice, and?
[13:40] <fault3r> bekks: Kernel driver in use: i915
[13:41] <bekks> fault3r: you dont have to repeat three times.
[13:41] <fault3r> bekks: is that mean i have this driver?
[13:41] <bekks> fault3r: As it is in use, yes.
[13:41] <dantxo> Hello, I have a problem, I'm changing the hostname but after rebooting the hostname gets reverted to ubuntu
[13:41] <bekks> dantxo: is it a livecd?
[13:41] <young001> bekks, so we come to the first question,I have a file,and I wanna split it into two files,one the 100 lines,and the other.how to do that?thx
[13:42] <Industrial> `which node` => `/usr/local/bin/node`, `node` => `The program 'nodejs' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing: sudo apt-get install nodejs`
[13:42] <Industrial> why is this?
[13:42] <dantxo> dantxo: no, it's a Ubuntu server
[13:42] <fault3r> bekks: why do i dont see it in system details?
[13:42] <fault3r> bekks: :(
[13:42] <bekks> young001: just as you did before?
[13:42] <bekks> fault3r: because the system details do not display that?
[13:42] <dantxo> bekks: It's not a live cd, it's a VM running Ubuntu Server 64 bits
[13:42] <young001> bekks, yes
[13:42] <fault3r> bekks: system details > Graphics: Unknown
[13:43] <hassen> syeekick, understood,thanks.
[13:44] <koyetsu> OMFG i'm an idiot. spelling errors screw ub more things than anything else
[13:45] <OerHeks> young001, You need to change 2 files  /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts AFAIK
[13:45] <koyetsu> apparently i'm creating my own flavor of ubuntu called ubutnu
[13:45] <ObrienDave> hey, a new fork ;))
[13:46] <syeekick> hassen, its good practice in my opinion to get stuck in a tty :P
[13:46] <bekks> fault3r: And?
[13:46] <syeekick> cause you have to work out how to get out if not you are going to be stuck. forceful learning
[13:46] <bekks> fault3r: you do knwo which graphics hw you have, you know which driver si in use? What next?
[13:46] <mirko_> hello
[13:47] <luciano> algum brasileiro
[13:47] <LjL> !br
[13:47] <fault3r> bekks: No ;( nevermind dude, i try to fix it...
[13:47] <luciano> #ubuntu-pt
[13:48] <koyetsu> speaking as someone who knows just enough to get into trouble i HIGHLY recomend a vm envioronment with no X to start larning on caue then you can blow it away and start over and you learn enough of the fundamentals to not piss everyone off with your questions
[13:49] <ObrienDave> koyetsu, good advice, i'm learning that one myself :)
[13:49] <hassen> syeekick, to mimic the command-line interface usage?
[13:49] <Sh1G3rU> koyetsu +1 virtual machines, a little manual reading and alot of patiente
[13:51] <koyetsu> i picked up a cheap ibm x3550 with 16gb ram in it slapped free esxi on it and am setting up a pxe install server so i can pop out test servers in a few mins
[13:52] <koyetsu> only thing pissing me off is a can't get my automated install to go through the disk partitioning without me messing with it
[13:53] <koyetsu> i have to do the final 2 selections
[13:54] <bekks> koyetsu: would you mind your language please?
[13:54] <syeekick> hassen, its not mimicing its a terminal
[13:55] <syeekick> the hard thing to get your head around is the run levels in side tty sessions
[13:55] <syeekick> i don't understand it
[13:55] <koyetsu> oh sorry didn't realise that was a bad word
[13:55] <bekks> syeekick: since upstart, there are no runlevels anymore :)
[13:56] <Guest64270> Guten Tag
[13:56] <Guest64270> HEllo
[14:00] <hassen> so is tty another seperate thing from terminal or what?
[14:01] <StormCloud> good evening
[14:03] <lotuspsychje> !tty | hassen
[14:04] <bekks> hassen: a tty is a text type terminal, wehich runs a shell. your loved gnome-terminal is basically an terminal emulator running a shell too.
[14:04] <lotuspsychje> StormCloud: hello mate what can we do for you?
[14:04] <andywojo> I'm addicted to terminator.
[14:05] <syeekick> bekks, you mean there is no run levels in ubuntu?
[14:06] <bekks> !upstart | syeekick
[14:06] <syeekick> nice thats one thing i dont have to get my nnoggin around
[14:07] <hassen> bekks, i see,but both (tty and gnome-terminal) are working the same?or is tty used deeper?
[14:11] <hassen> !kde
[14:14] <YaMoonSun> Where do I make error reports? I'm having trouble broadcasting on TinyChat.
[14:25] <Industrial> `which node` => `/usr/local/bin/node` but then when i do `node` => `The program 'nodejs' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing: sudo apt-get install nodejs`
[14:25] <Industrial> i installed from source
[14:26] <hex20dec> Hey people, I have a usb wifi adapter that works perfectly fine, but when I put my computer to sleep and then turn it back on, I need to unplug the usb and plug it back it to be recognized.
[14:26] <hex20dec> Why is that?
[14:30] <juniour> i just bough tplink nano usb wireless adapter how to make it work. the card is showing in lsusb
[14:30] <Tronic> Choosing HDMI 5.1 Surround no longer has any effect (it still uses stereo output). Why is this? On ALSA level 5.1 output works fine but PulseAudio (configured via pavucontrol or Gnome sound settings) doesn't.
[14:30] <Tronic> This worked fine until today.
[14:30] <Tronic> Suspecting some recent update but there are quite many of them.
[14:31] <juniour> tplink nana wireless adapter detected but how to connect ot network plz help
[14:31] <Tronic> Even if 5.1 is chosen, the speaker test in Gnome sound settings still displays only two speakers. Also, audio doesn't even pause when changing the setting, further suggesting that the selection is simply ignored.
[14:31] <juniour> it ned some driver or wt??
[14:32] <lotuspsychje> !sound | Tronic
[14:32] <Tronic> I'm using Nvidia drivers.
[14:33] <juniour> how to make work realteak drives
[14:33] <juniour> ??
[14:35] <lotuspsychje> !wifi | juniour
[14:35] <ompy> How we can secure the elastic serach ?
[14:36] <Tronic> lotuspsychje: Doesn't seem to be of much help.
[14:36] <Tronic> PulseAudio doesn't give any error when switching card profiles via pacmd, either, but also no effect.
[14:37] <lotuspsychje> Tronic: maybe look around in the logviewer /var/log/syslog see if any unusual errors show up
[14:37] <juniour> need to install realtek drivers
[14:37] <juniour> lotuspsychje need to install realtek driver
[14:37] <lotuspsychje> juniour: there are ubuntu realtek drivers on realtek official website
[14:38] <juniour> lotuspsychje plz give me link
[14:38] <_root_> i set up everything with nginx but it cant handle a simple phpinfo file;;; right now it only parse static html. here is the log +   http://p.ngx.cc/17
[14:38] <Autocleesis> Best music player on Ubuntu Store?
[14:38] <lotuspsychje> !best | Autocleesis
[14:38] <Autocleesis> Abdication!
[14:38] <Autocleesis> Defeatism, laziness and surrender!
[14:38] <Autocleesis> But okay.
[14:39] <lotuspsychje> Autocleesis: that depends on what your needs are
[14:40] <lotuspsychje> Autocleesis: every package has its speciality...
[14:40] <Autocleesis> Thanks lotuspsychje
[14:40] <Autocleesis> Which Gstreamer pack do I need to allow import of tracks to Rhythmbox?
[14:41] <Autocleesis> I see 4
[14:43] <koyetsu> ok, i coulda swore that "service networking restart" was the network reload command. i REALLY don't wanna reboot my server
[14:45] <Thibaultmol> Hi all, I'm trying to install the latest nvidia linux drivers using this guide: http://news.softpedia.com/news/How-to-Install-the-Latest-NVIDIA-331-20-Drivers-in-Ubuntu-13-10-399182.shtml But I get an error at the last step saying I have to insert the Ubuntu 13.10 cd rom. How do I fix this
[14:47] <^Jonni^> привет
[14:47] <MrToaD> hi there, im having some major difficulties with AMD catalyst. Had installed via the "additional drivers" utility under System Settings. However this reported as 15.xxx.xxx etc. Wanted to try version 13.11 and 13.4, but that would not get me past grub screen. blank screen and system hang
[14:48] <MrToaD> have managed to uninstall the drivers and get system running
[14:48] <MrToaD> but when i try putting the drivers and catalyst back the normal way (which worked originally) i still end up with the blank screen and lockup
[14:48] <MrToaD> anyone able to help... ive a bunch of xorg.conf backups sitting around
[14:48] <MrToaD> from each attempt
[14:49] <^Jonni^> а русские есть??
[14:49] <DJones> !ru | ^Jonni^
[14:50] <Greyghostros> May not be the right place but need some help with data recovery.. My hdd has gone bad. I am trying to clone it with ddrescue but when the process starts it shows error: 1 and error size:  size of partition. The partition was an ext3 which too is not being recognised. Using testdisk it does recognise it but any attempt to access it makes the hdd go offline. Is there anything i can try to recover? Thnanks
[14:50] <^Jonni^> Hello
[14:51] <hassen> i was downloading my ATI HD 3470 driver and now i got a "ati*.run file"
[14:51] <hassen> how to install it?
[14:51] <hassen> double-clicking doesn't seem to be the choice
[14:52] <MrToaD> sudo bash etc.run
[14:52] <koyetsu> hassen have you bothered to read the installation instructions?
[14:52] <MrToaD> or there are people saying you must get it into dpgk acceptable form
[14:52] <MrToaD> but im stuck on a more serious issue
[14:52] <MrToaD> as i cannot get a stable system running any more, when reverting to installing through "additional hardware"
[14:52] <MrToaD> this is worrying
[14:52] <MrToaD> can't start up system at all after trying the other drivers
[14:53] <MrToaD> unless i boot into recovery mode
[14:53] <MrToaD> and remove them
[14:53] <MrToaD> reboot...
[14:53] <MrToaD> gone round that circle a few times, it completely hangs
[14:53] <koyetsu> MrToaD, i honestly don't use X so my only advice is blow it up and start over
[14:53] <hassen> MrToaD, what?
[14:54] <MrToaD> koyetsu: im thinking that, but i cant
[14:54] <koyetsu> why not?
[14:54] <lotuspsychje> MrToaD: how about fix broken packages from recoverymode?
[14:54] <MrToaD> but they are not broken packages
[14:54] <MrToaD> i did a force install, thats what broke it
[14:55] <^Jonni^> Ulгде русские?
[14:55]  * dwatkins maps the Mun
[14:57] <KoRnshell> I m trying to control fan speed, sudo: /etc/init.d/module-init-tools: command not found, how do I resolve this?
[14:57] <KoRnshell> /etc/init.d/module-init-tools should exist no?
[14:58] <KoRnshell> Also, it says module init tools is already in the newest version
[14:58] <phong_> hi guys, what is the best way to test 3d in ubuntu
[14:58] <phong_> i want to test my GTX 580
[14:59] <hassen> aah 'bash' for running files..
[14:59] <phong_> any graphic benchmart?
[15:00] <Thibaultmol> phong_: http://unigine.com/products/heaven/download/
[15:01] <Thibaultmol> What do you guys consider the best way to install official nvidia drivers?
[15:01] <phong_> Thibaultmol, i do install offical nvidia drivers
[15:01] <phong_> Thibaultmol, latest one
[15:01] <dondopa> What is the best paper size for pdfs to be read on 7 inch tablets?
[15:02] <yeats> !ot | dondopa
[15:02] <phong_> Thibaultmol, they have .run file
[15:02] <Thibaultmol> phong_: I am trying to do that but every method I have used fails somehow
[15:02] <hacchan> was there a net split
[15:02] <hacchan> why is there literally nobody
[15:03] <phong_> you have to stop your service and install
[15:03] <phong_> i think press ALT+F1
[15:03] <Thibaultmol> phong_: it says I have to put in the ubuntu 13.10 disc
[15:03] <phong_> nah
[15:03] <Thibaultmol> phong_: I'm not updating. I'm installing
[15:03] <phong_> yeah
[15:03] <phong_> installing
[15:04] <phong_> u have to X out of windows then login as root
[15:04] <phong_> then stop the services and install
[15:04] <phong_> | NVIDIA-SMI 331.20     Driver Version: 331.20
[15:04] <Thibaultmol> phong_: right...
[15:05] <Thibaultmol> phong_: Ill give it a shot
[15:06] <hacchan> could anyone help me? I used to change by backlight in awesome wm using gnome-settings-daemon and my keyboard hotkeys in 13.04, and i just updated to 13.10 and gnome-settings-daemon no longer grants me the ability to do so
[15:07] <hacchan> back then i could press the keys and a square popup would show me the current brightness level
[15:09] <andywojo> Anyone know why service networking restart kills the DE? I know it's a known bug..
[15:10] <papa> does anyone know of a mail client where you can check next to the email or multiple emails to mark for deletion?
[15:11] <Tronic> Any idea why opening a new terminal with Ctrl+Alt+T causes Gnome Shell to lose focus and keyboard becoming infunctional?
[15:11] <Jankaro> Hiho
[15:11] <Tronic> I even tried upgrading Gnome Shell to 3.10.2.1 but the problem persists. Perhaps related to Ubuntu's Xorg?
[15:17] <duruvi> can any one tell me how to control bandwidth of the broadband connection?
[15:22] <duruvi> hi
[15:22] <duruvi> can any one tell me how to control bandwidth of the broadband connection?
[15:22] <duruvi> can any one tell me how to control bandwidth of the broadband connection?
[15:22] <FloodBot1> duruvi: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[15:24] <duruvi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6499417/
[15:24] <duruvi> done
[15:25] <Charcoalcat> I pressed ctrl+alt+f1 to try and fix the screen freezing. How do I get out?
[15:25] <llutz> Charcoalcat: alt-f7
[15:25] <Charcoalcat> Ilutz thanks!
[15:27] <adamu> Hello
[15:29] <MrHacks> I just had a thought. What MTP software SHOULDN'T I install, or what MTP Software should I remove? http://i.imgur.com/Pe2Uarc.png
[15:29] <MrHacks> I'm starting to believe the reason I could never get any of my MTP devices to connect anymore (an why I see these messages in dmesg http://pastebin.com/N1xfubFD ) is because I may have installed conflicting software.
[15:30] <mathieg2> Have you purged all your mtp packages?
[15:30] <mathieg2> apt-get purge xxx
[15:31] <DeepBlue> EM255E37:
[15:32] <MrHacks> I don't think I need to get rid of all my MTP software. Just whatever it is that doesn't let me connect my KFHD7 to my computer anymore.
[15:32] <MrMonkey31> hoy! anyone know whether an ACPI=off param in the cmdline  is the same as turning off ACPI in bios? or does it put it in some standby mode or switch it on occasionally for some nefarious purposes or whatever?
[15:33] <papa__> does anyone know a mail client where you can click several messages for deletion at once?
[15:34] <DJones> papa__: I use thunderbird & can do that
[15:35] <mathieg2> MrHacks> for android devices - I think the Kindle fire still counts - I find the adb tools are the most reliable way of doing mtp stuff
[15:35] <mathieg2> let me look up the actual package name
[15:35] <papa__> DJones thank you I will try that now
[15:36] <mathieg2> its android-tools-fsutils
[15:37] <adamu> MrMonkey31, I believe if you pass ACPI=off as a boot parameter through the kernel command line it disables acpi in the kernel but it is still enabled in the bios its just not being used
[15:38] <MrHacks> That would be good mathieg2, if only I could CONNECT the device.  I also have android-tools-fsutils installed as well as android-tools-fastboot and android-tools-adb
[15:38] <MrHacks> Again, whenever I plug it in I see this message in dmesg http://pastebin.com/N1xfubFD
[15:40] <MrMonkey31> adamu: alright, not being used... by the kernel?  by the chipset?  I'm sry for being vague, I know so little though
[15:40] <as> MrHacks: try a different cable and/or do not use hubs
[15:41] <as> had that a few times, was always one of those two
[15:41] <MrHacks> as, did that. I own several cables. I used two different hubs.  Still got http://pastebin.com/N1xfubFD
[15:42] <PatrickDickey> MrMonkey31: I believe that he means that the kernel won't be using it. The capability will still be available in the hardware (BIOS), but the software/operating system will be ignoring it.
[15:42] <as> try no hub at all
[15:42] <MrHacks> as: what do you mean by "try no hub at all"?
[15:42] <MrMonkey31> adamu: in any case it looks like I can't fail with bios level disabling. I'm trying to troubleshoot some hw, and people have told me acpi is a culprit. also linus does not like it!!
[15:43] <MrMonkey31> -understood
[15:43] <as> my last phone required to be kooked up to the rear port of my pc, couldn't even use the front ports on my case
[15:43] <papa__> DJones
[15:43] <as> and could not use the hub in my monitor
[15:43] <papa__> I don't see the option for that DJones
[15:43] <adamu> MrMonkey31, Well it is my understanding that if you disable it with the kernel command line it is not used by the operating system so that might be worth a shot but yeah you can't go wrong disabling it at the bios level
[15:44] <adamu> PatrickDickey, Yeah that is what I was trying to say
[15:44] <DJones> papa__: I just left click using Ctrl+left click and then press delete
[15:45] <MrHacks> as, so try the USB ports on the back of the computer?  I think I only have USB3 ports avaiable back there, but I will attempt it
[15:45] <as> and your best cable :)
[15:46] <papa__> DJones thanks.. What i was trying to do was make this easier for my grandfather who is 87 delete his mail. getting it online with ads and everything is causing him to click everwhere he shouldn't. The interface of thunderbird/evolution is simple enough for him but hes looking for that feature. Teaching him to hold CNTRL is like a two day process haha
[15:46] <adamu> MrHacks, I don't know if this will fit your needs but have you tried accessing it using PTP instead of MTP that is what I ended up doing and I haven't had any reason to switch to MTP because PTP works just fine
[15:47] <juniour> slug y i got this pastebin.com/D1qSXLWwa
[15:47] <juniour> www.pastebin.com/D1qSXLWwa
[15:48] <MrHacks> adamu: PTP is not available on KFHD7
[15:48] <PatrickDickey> papa__: What exactly are you trying to do? Delete multiple messages, or permanently delete them (bypassing Trash)?
[15:49] <papa__> PatrickDickey delete multiple messages
[15:49] <juniour> guys plz look at this www.pastebin.com/D1qSXLWwa
[15:50] <adamu> MrHacks, Oh okay I was not aware of that
[15:51] <PatrickDickey> papa__: You could try CTRL key + A key to select all, then Shift+ Delete (or just Delete if you want them to go to the trash folder).
[15:51] <OerHeks> juniour, that paste is deleted, so what now?
[15:52] <PatrickDickey> Make sure you click on one of the messages first though (so it deletes those).
[15:52] <juniour> wait
[15:52] <juniour> will send you agin
[15:52] <juniour> check now http://pastebin.com/jmx1QnVC
[15:53] <papa__> PatrickDickey, I get that.. but what I am looking for is to check on a box on the left side of the message and be able to select several then click on the trash icon and have them gone.
[15:53] <papa__> He needs simple process, would like to keep it the same as it always has been for him
[15:54] <juniour> i am not able to install linux header
[15:54] <coryn|drunk> is there a package for manpages for developers? I'm missing a few things,
[15:54] <juniour> uname -r give 3.6.11+
[15:55] <ActionParsnip> Papa__: right click email -> delete
[15:55] <ActionParsnip> Juniour: what is the output of: cat /etc/issue
[15:55] <papa__> ActionParsnip then we run into the problem not doing multiple at a time..
[15:55] <MrHacks> Plugging in the device to one of the back USB ports did not resolve the issue. as, using a different USB port has failed and has only repeated problem in dmesg
[15:55] <juniour> ActionParsnip its raspberry pi
[15:56] <OerHeks> juniour, seems like an old kernel/ubuntu version to me, what version are you on?
[15:56] <papa__> i guess i'll have to give him the option of going online and getting it or trying to use the cntrl key
[15:56] <adamu> papa__, Why not keep using gmail and just install a good ad blocker because it sounds like that is what he is already using so it might be easier for him to keep using that and the ad blocker should block the ads
[15:56] <ActionParsnip> Juniour: doesnt answer my question
[15:56] <papa__> because its netscape not gmail....
[15:56] <papa__> believe me Gmail would be much better
[15:56] <juniour> uname -a output :Linux raspberrypi 3.6.11+ #538 PREEMPT Fri Aug 30 20:42:08 BST 2013 armv6l GNU/Linux
[15:57] <juniour> cat /etc/issue output : Raspbian GNU/Linux 7 \n \l
[15:57] <adamu> papa__, Oh okay.. for some reason I thought he was using gmail :/
[15:57] <papa__> adamu, I wish!
[15:57] <ActionParsnip> Juniour: raspian isnt suported here
[15:57] <as> Sorry to hear that MrHacks, that was my one recommendation :)
[15:57] <mustafa_> hi>>>>>i want to build a cloud with open stack >>>>i only can offer 2 machines>>>>with core2 duo E7400 cpu and 4GB ram each
[15:57] <juniour> ActionParsnip both linux man so concept will be same
[15:58] <ActionParsnip> Juniour: true but this channel is ubuntu support only
[15:58] <DJones> juniour: Raspian isn't based on Ubuntu, however I think they have their own support channel #rasbian (could be a ##rasbian)
[15:58] <Maddeth> Hey all, anyone know if there is a netatalk channel? Or anyone able to help me with some netatalk issues?
[15:58] <juniour> DJones i talked about linux
[15:58] <adamu> juniour, There might not be a linux headers package available for arm architectures??
[15:59] <ActionParsnip> Juniour: every distro has its own channel. You can get distro unspecific support in #linux
[15:59] <DJones> juniour: This channel only supports the official Ubuntu releases, you'll need to ask in the channel for your distro
[15:59] <ActionParsnip> Juniour: you arent using Ubuntu so are not supported here
[15:59] <juniour> adamu i given thsi command to search sudo apt-cache search linux-headers*
[15:59] <ActionParsnip> Juniour: its that clean cut.
[15:59] <papa__> My other question is, Does anyone know how to change the double click speed in Lubuntu?
[16:00] <juniour> ActionParsnip i am on ubuntu  12.04 but need to configure my other pc
[16:00] <ActionParsnip> Papa__: let me searCNN
[16:00] <ActionParsnip> Search*
[16:00] <wsky> why do you guys rewrite boot sector every time anything grub related gets updated :/
[16:00] <wsky> i just fried a tc encrypted volume because of that
[16:00] <ActionParsnip> Juniour: you arent. You are using raspian which is not supported here
[16:00] <mustafa_> hi>>>>>i want to build a cloud with open stack >>>>i only can offer 2 machines>>>>with core2 duo E7400 cpu and 4GB ram each .......can it be done ?
[16:00] <adamu> mustafa_, Yeah I don't see why you couldn't
[16:01] <juniour> ActionParsnip k bro chill. i am user of ubuntu only
[16:01] <wsky> ok then a question, what console locale should i set to use a preboot-identical keymap?
[16:01] <ActionParsnip> Juniour: you issue file says raspian. So its not ubuntu
[16:02] <MrMonkey31> hay, openCL -- does anyone know if it can increase performance on my 4 core cpu system (directly or indirectly)?  is that what it is for?
[16:02] <wsky> keymap/locale
[16:02] <ActionParsnip> Papa__: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Mouse
[16:02] <juniour> ActionParsnip what you say about this bro .Linux juniour 3.2.0-56-generic-pae #86-Ubuntu SMP Wed Oct 23 17:51:27 UTC 2013 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
 isn't there any minimium requirement for the cloud os
[16:03] <papa__> ActionParsnip, Funny thing is I changed the speed several times like that and its still not taking affect I thought i was wrong
[16:03] <wsky> google is useless nodays
[16:03] <ActionParsnip> Juniour: i asked you for the output of the file and you said raspian, the kernel you want headers for is raspian. You may have another pc with ubuntu but the issue you are having is with raspian which is not supported here
[16:04] <papa__> Just saw that you have to log out and log back in
[16:04] <papa__> haha
[16:04] <papa__> thanks yoU!
[16:04] <papa__> i'll try it now
[16:05] <r0x> hi
[16:05] <r0x> i have a little annoying problem with ubuntu
[16:06] <r0x> after i little time when i don't use my pc
[16:06] <r0x> when i do something
[16:06] <ActionParsnip> R0x: ease up on the ENTER key dude :-)
[16:06] <r0x> the brightness of the display comes up to maximum
[16:06] <ActionParsnip> R0x: after screensaver you mean?
[16:07] <Togusa> r0x: mine goes to the minimum :D
[16:07] <r0x> nope, i don't have any screensaver
[16:07] <PatrickDickey> r0x: On a laptop or a desktop?
[16:07] <r0x> laptop
[16:07] <gambi> I want to get xmonad to work with unity. unfortunately, in 13.04 "Unable to find default provider 'unity-2d-panel'" unity-2d doesn't work anymore. how can I get xmonad to work with unity?
[16:07] <ActionParsnip> R0x: so the screen randomly goes 100% brightness?
[16:08] <r0x> ActionParsnip: after x minute of disuse
[16:08] <Togusa> r0x: you can try with acpi_backlight=vendor (google it), it may or may not improve it
[16:08] <Togusa> unless someone has a better idea
[16:08] <ActionParsnip> R0x: what is the make and model of the system?
[16:08] <r0x> it's an Asus K53SJ
[16:08] <papa> ActionParsnip , I logged out however the speed stays the same
[16:08] <ActionParsnip> R0x: what is the output of: cat /etc/issue
[16:09] <papa> I also set the resolution lower and that doesn't save
[16:09] <r0x> Ubuntu 12.04.3 LTS \n \l
[16:09] <pozz> hi, so this is the bug I have: Everytime I open a text file with gedit, nothing happens until the second time I open it
[16:10] <pozz> I know there is a solution, I found one with google a few months ago for a different computer I have.
[16:10] <ActionParsnip> Pozz: is it the same with other text editors likebleafpad?
[16:10] <ActionParsnip> Like leafpad
[16:11] <r0x> ActionParsnip: so... can u help me?
[16:12] <ActionParsnip> R0x: patience child. Jesus
[16:12] <ActionParsnip> R0x: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-2124825.html
[16:12] <cristian_c> Hi
[16:12] <pozz> I am not sure about leafpad
[16:13] <cristian_c> I installed qt4-qtconfig. When I open the qt configuration tool, I change the font type and size. Then I select File-> Save, and the string 'Saved changes.' appears in the statusbar
[16:13] <cristian_c> But if I close and reopen the configuration tool, I find the previous settings, as if I had not made ​​any changes
[16:13] <pozz> leafpad works fine
[16:13] <PatrickDickey> pozz: Why are you not sure about it?
[16:14] <jhutchins> r0x: Did you try what Togusa suggested?
[16:14] <cristian_c> I installed the libqt4-core package but it had no effect. Same result installing qt4 qtconfig again. It seems to be an issue related to fonts: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=564548 but I did not understand the meaning of the last message in that report
[16:14] <ActionParsnip> Pozz: then you know it is only gedit with issue
[16:14]  * PatrickDickey scratch that. I missed the first part of the issue.
[16:14] <cristian_c> I tried to make a change in the settings either with the guest user or creating a new user. Unfortunately, the problem also occurs in these cases. Any idea?
[16:14] <pozz> PatrickDickey, because I did not try it until now
[16:15] <ActionParsnip> Pozz: is there a config for gedit in settings somewhere youncan remove to get default configs
[16:15] <pozz> Thanks ActionParsnip, it is good to know
[16:15] <cristian_c> *ideas
[16:15] <r0x> ActionParsnip: i think it's useless to edito rc.local 'cause it will modify the startup configuration of my pc
[16:15] <ActionParsnip> Pozz: is it the same in all sessions. Try Unity2D if you are using Precise
[16:15] <r0x> My problem, instead, occurs all during the execution time of the OS
[16:15] <pozz> ActionParsnip, so you are suggesting this might be somthing I configured? I don't think I changed anything about gedit
[16:16] <ActionParsnip> R0x: yes, why is that useless?
[16:17] <r0x> because, in that way, you will modify the brightness of the display at startup but it will don't override the brightness during all the time you logged in
[16:17] <pozz> okay, well I will have to log out for a brief moment to try unity 2D, brb
[16:17] <ActionParsnip> R0x:did you try the boot options on http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1875982&page=3
[16:17] <r0x> it must be something related to the power saving or something like that
[16:18] <MrHacks> OK, new theory. I looked at /var/lib/usbutils/usb.ids. (see http://www.linux-usb.org/usb.ids) Every Kindle except the HD 7 and the HDX is listed in this file.  Although I wrote a /etc/udev/rules.d/51-android.rules file, the fact that the KFHD7 is not listed as one of the devices in usb.ids could be a clue as to why things are not recognized.
[16:19] <r0x> The guy said that: You can adjust the brightness to remain at a "fixed desired" level at each reboot by following this:
[16:19] <MrHacks> cat /etc/udev/rules.d/51-android.rules only has one line in it
[16:19] <MrHacks> SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ATTR={idVendor}=="1949", ATTR{idProduct}=="0007", MODE="0666"
[16:19] <llutz> MrHacks: "sudo update-usbids"
[16:20] <r0x> but i think that are something of ubuntu that change the brightness indipendently
[16:20] <r0x> however, i'll try it
[16:20] <pozz> ActionParsnip, the bug continues in ubuntu 2D. but there is more, in 2D, it opens a flashy icon in the launcher that just does nothing, even when click. it is replace with the text document the second time I try to open the file
[16:21] <ActionParsnip> R0x: did you try the boot options listed?
[16:21] <MrHacks> llutz: The file is up to date. However, the device is not listed.  'Amazon Kindle Fire HD 8.9"' is listed but not 'Amazon Kindle HD 7"'
[16:21] <llutz> MrHacks: isn't the syntax  "ATTRS{idVendor}=="0xxx", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0xyy" " now?
[16:21] <ActionParsnip> Pozzz: ok it definately is gedit then and not the WM causing the issue
[16:22] <r0x> ActionParsnip: yes... some time ago...
[16:22] <MrHacks> llutz: No, ATTR is correct. ATTRS is incorrect
[16:22] <ActionParsnip> R0x: i siggest you report a bug then. Arebyou on the 3.8 kernel?
[16:24] <MrHacks> I only have less than a half hour left to hang out here. So if we can wrap this up so, that would be most helpful
[16:24] <MrHacks> s/up so/up soon/
[16:24] <llutz> MrHacks: ok, but why are you using 2 different syntaxes here? ATTR={idVendor}=="1949", ATTR{idProduct}=="0007"
[16:25] <pozz> So anyone else have the 'have to open gedit twice' bug?
[16:25] <MrHacks> Explain?  One is the attribute for the manufacturer. The other is the attrbute for the possible device ID. I wrote this based on a file floating around online
[16:26]  * riskinho hi people,do you wanna earn some money?this is the best way www.libertagia.com/riskinho,create your Network and get some money folks!
[16:26] <llutz>  ATTR={idVendor}==  vs  ATTR{idProduct}==   mr
[16:26] <llutz>  ATTR={idVendor}==  vs  ATTR{idProduct}==   MrHacks
[16:26] <llutz> MrHacks: ATTR= vs ATTR{
[16:27] <adamu> Hello
[16:27] <Rexter> I just did a fresh install of 13.10 on a Dell Inspiron 5030 Laptop. Ethernet worked during the install, but isn't even showing now.
[16:27] <MrHacks> llutz: I just read the manpage for udev. I see your point.
[16:28] <ActionParsnip> Rexter: if you run: sudo lshw -C network ,do you see the Ethernet as 'unclaimed'?
[16:29] <llutz> MrHacks: according to man udev, it's "ATTR{filename}" , no =
[16:30] <x__> Hello guys
[16:30] <adamu> x__,  Hello
[16:30] <MrHacks> llutz: I caught that typo just a few seonds ago
[16:30] <x__> I have an onboard sound card that shares an output connection with a mic connection
[16:30] <x__> how can I alternate between them in Linux?
[16:30] <x__> (When I plug in a microphone)
[16:30] <MrHacks> What is the command to restart udev?
[16:31] <llutz> MrHacks: sudo restart udev
[16:31] <x__> hello?
[16:31] <hoyang> :)
[16:32] <Rexter> ActionParsnip; no I don't see "unclaimed" anywhere. driver=atl1c
[16:32] <MrHacks> Same error -71 issue. Although I corrected the rules file, the problem remains the same.
[16:32] <MrHacks>  SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ATTR{idVendor}=="1949", ATTR{idProduct}=="0007", MODE="0666"
[16:33] <ActionParsnip> Rexter: unload and reload the module. May help
[16:33] <Rexter> ActionParsnip; how do I do that?
[16:34] <ActionParsnip> Rexter: sudo modprobe -r atl1c; sleep 3; sudo modprobe atl1c
[16:34] <llutz> MrHacks: sry no idea then. my (working) rules always use ATTRS{xx}, but i'm on debian
[16:34] <Danato> can anybody help me test a kernel? Its for a bug test
[16:35] <llutz> !info udev
[16:35] <llutz> 204, same
[16:35] <i3luefire> i cannot log into my ubuntu machine via ssh anymore. i am not sure what changed but i am getting a "bad service request" error
[16:36] <MrHacks> llutz: I just tried adding an S to ATTR to (ATTRS). Still got the same error
[16:38] <syeekick> what app is best for a vnc gui ?
[16:38] <DRice7> hey guys, I installed Ubuntu 13.10 server on a machine with an LG TV as a monitor connected to the ASRock E3C224-V+ motherboard integrated VGA. I moved the server to it's new location and now it won't boot with any other VGA monitor attached. I can detach a monitor and it boots after a little extra time. I can even plug the monitor in after booting to get tty access by using CTRL-ALT-F1, but getting into tty7 takes the monitor out of range. This has been plagui
[16:39] <PDilyard> my HP Pavilion laptop wont wake from suspend. When I close the lid or click suspend, it will just remain at a black screen until i power it off and restart it. if i set the close lid action to "nothing" my fan runs quite a lot and the computer gets a little hot inside its case
[16:39] <nashant> Hey, is it possible to use an array of values from a defaults file in an init script? I'm trying to start multiple vnc servers with different resolutions (one for laptop connection, one for tablet)
[16:39] <schmiedc> i3luefire: is you ssh-daemon running?
[16:39] <i3luefire> should be
[16:40] <DRice7> nashant: I would like to know how you got that working...once you get it working :)
[16:40] <schmiedc> to you get a response from your server via ping
[16:40] <schmiedc> or maybe some firewall blocks your ssh port
[16:40] <DRice7> if you are talking to me, yes i can ping and firewall is not a problem
[16:41] <ActionParsnip> Drice7: is there a GUI installed on the system? With mouse pointer and Firefox web browser etc?
[16:41] <DRice7> Action, I installed ubuntu desktop...yes i know - it's a server but i did it anyway lol
[16:42] <ActionParsnip> Drice7: then its a server OS. If you needed a desktop OS why not just install the desktop ISO?
[16:42] <DRice7> lets not go with the freakin grumbles here. I needed it - it happened, let's move forward
[16:43] <PDilyard> my HP Pavilion laptop wont wake from suspend. When I close the lid or click suspend, it will just remain at a black screen until i power it off and restart it. if i set the close lid action to "nothing" my fan runs quite a lot and the computer gets a little hot inside its case
[16:43] <boris> hi
[16:43] <i3luefire> i can log into it with webmin
[16:44] <ActionParsnip> Drice7: do the services given by the server start ok? Can you SSH to the server?
[16:44] <ActionParsnip> I3lufire: webmin will break yoir OS
[16:44] <DRice7> yeah, everything works like a dream except for the DISPLAY which always goes to "Unable to Open Display"
[16:44] <DRice7> i tried changing the env variable but that didn't help
[16:45] <i3luefire> schmiedc, it says type 2 (protocol error) now
[16:45] <ActionParsnip> Drice7: then who cares what the GUI is doing? Server is operational and doing it's job....
[16:45] <DRice7> I've decided that it is a resolution issue, and my monitor is not being detected because it's running through VGA
[16:45] <DRice7> I need to move Terabytes of files, and filezilla is preferable
[16:46] <ActionParsnip> Drice7: why not connect to the server using Nautilus and it will act like local storage. Lots easier
[16:46] <DRice7> Nautilus?
[16:46] <PDilyard> the file explorer
[16:46] <ActionParsnip> Drice7: yes, the default file manager in Ubuntu
[16:46] <DRice7> mmm, pulling files off of a DLINKNAS on the network
[16:47] <ab`> how can i get radeon card shut up when i wake up my system from hibernation? i have followed internet guides and disabled it, but after hibernating and waking up, it again goes to its hungry state. it works fine if i did a normal shut down, though.
[16:47] <medsopq236> hello
[16:47] <ActionParsnip> Drice7: you will see the remote files and can copy and paste files as if they were local and its all managed for you. It can connect to SSHFS
[16:47] <adamu> DRice7, Try restarting the ssh server through webmin?
[16:48] <adamu> medsopq236, Hello how are you?
[16:48] <DRice7> i broke my webmin install at some point, need to fix that
[16:48] <ActionParsnip> Drice7: if you port forward through your router you can access the data at any time from anywhere with a web connection and securely
[16:48] <DRice7> sweet, can i setup nautilus in the CLI
[16:48] <ActionParsnip> !webmin
[16:48] <DRice7> lol, that explains alot - what's the webmin alternative
[16:48] <PDilyard> my HP Pavilion laptop wont wake from suspend. When I close the lid or click suspend, it will just remain at a black screen until i power it off and restart it. if i set the close lid action to "nothing" my fan runs quite a lot and the computer gets a little hot inside its case
[16:49] <ActionParsnip> Drice7: nautilus is used on the client pc, not the server side
[16:49] <adamu> Alright I don't use webmin so I wouldn't know
[16:49]  * PatrickDickey wonders how accurate the webmin information is... Just saying because the webmin site says they've tested it against Ubuntu and other debian based distros without issues.
[16:49] <ActionParsnip> Drice7: for a webmin alternative, read ubottu's output fully
[16:49] <alocer> DRice7, go duckduckgo and search for "alternative to webmin "
[16:49] <DRice7> PatrickDickey: It worked fine for me..until it stopped working on init.d
[16:49] <ActionParsnip> Drice7: oh the factoid changed
[16:49] <schmiedc> i3luefire, didn't got this one before
[16:49] <ActionParsnip> !ebox
[16:50] <nashant> Will this work in my init script? OPTIONS[${COUNT}]="-name \"${NAME}[${COUNT}]\" -depth \"${DEPTH}[${COUNT}]\" -geometry \"${GEOMETRY}[${COUNT}]\" :${DISPLAY}[${COUNT}]"
[16:50] <Rexter> ActionParsnip; ok, it shows in the network setting, but says unmanaged.
[16:51] <MrHacks> OK, new theory.  Do I really need ATTR{idProduct} when I write a udev rule?  I know who the vendor is, and the vendor is listed, just not the product itself.
[16:51] <ActionParsnip> Rexter: did you set it's IP in /etc/network/interfaces ?
[16:52] <MrMonkey31> sorry if this is badly formed: is there a short answer to why'd I get "make[2]: *** No rule to make target `relpath'.  Stop." when running make? building 32-bit wine, just looking for a "duh" type mistake I might have made. ideas?
[16:52]  * MrHacks only has a few minutes left to chat
[16:52] <i3luefire> schmiedc, i think that was there before but fully it says http://pastebin.com/CtYXKNCm
[16:53] <Rexter> ActionParsnip; no
[16:53] <ActionParsnip> Mrmonkey31: wine is in the repos. Why are you building it
[16:54] <ActionParsnip> Rexter: hmm, try: sudo dhclient eth0
[16:54] <Rexter> ActionParsnip; Nothing special. I'll want it dhcp
[16:54] <ActionParsnip> Rexter: does it succeed?
[16:54] <adamu> MrMonkey31, What is the full output of make
[16:55] <DRice7> ActionParsnip: I run windows - Nautilus was not built for me
[16:55] <adamu> DRice7, Maybe try connecting to the SSH server with filezilla over SFTP?
[16:56] <ActionParsnip> Drice7: ahhh there is an application for windows so you can map a network drive to SSHFS
[16:56] <PatrickDickey> DRice7: Why do you say that? 99% of the people who are using Linux probably used Windows before.
[16:56] <Rexter> ActionParsnip; Cannot find device "eth0"
[16:56] <DRice7> and still need to figure out why I can't boot my machine if it's connected VGA
[16:56] <bunnyflop> v
[16:56] <DRice7> PatrickDickey: what?
[16:56] <MrMonkey31> adamu: oh boy.... http://pastebin.com/yC46hyHi  - thanks for readin'!
[16:56] <DRice7> ActionParsnip: reaalllly
[16:57] <PatrickDickey> DRice7: You said I run Windows - Nautilus was not built for me.
[16:57] <DRice7> PatrickDickey: You took it too literally, slow your roll homie
[16:57] <DRice7> PatrickDickey: As in, the binary will not run on my system.
[16:57] <MrMonkey31> ActionParsnip: why are you NOT building wine? don't you want to squeeze the max goodness out of your win32 bins?
[16:57] <PatrickDickey> lol I'm blaming lack of sleep, and the fact that I've spent the last few days staring Windows 8 in the face...
[16:58] <pozz> Can anyone tell me if this is a bad idea: I moved the gedit binary to gedit.bin, then I created a shell-script named "gedit" that calls gedit.bin with the --standalone option
[16:58] <DRice7> Windows 8 is the worst thing that ever happened to PCs
[16:58] <pozz> it solved my 'have to open gedit twice' bug
[16:58] <DRice7> pozz: that should be legit
[16:59] <ActionParsnip> Mrmonkey31: unless you change thebbuild config you will get the exact same config and performance of the Ubuntu build
[16:59] <adamu> MrMonkey31, I am not sure what the problem is.. are you trying to build 32bit wine on a 64bit system?
[16:59] <ActionParsnip> Mrmonkey31: did you change anything in the configuration file, or any code
[16:59] <pozz> Thanks DRice7. My concern is if i ever try to remove gedit... what would happen if the binary has been renamed to a .bin
[16:59] <ActionParsnip> Pozz: what was the magic bullet?
[17:00] <DRice7> it will error out, or remove everything but the bin
[17:00] <pozz>  I moved the gedit binary to gedit.bin, then I created a shell-script named "gedit" that calls gedit.bin with the --standalone option
[17:00] <adamu> ActionParsnip, Wouldn't he get 'slightly' better performance with processor specific compiler optimizations?
[17:00] <sacto1358> ey guys where are you from?
[17:00] <ActionParsnip> Adamu: very very little
[17:00] <MrMonkey31> adamu: indeed I am.  I've gotten this error periodically, no idea why, no radical alterations to the config line, was looking for a really short, obvious answer that only a newbie mighta been unaware of.  dw about it, I'm content to leave this
[17:00] <DRice7> sacto1358: murica - why are we playing a/s/l?
[17:00] <ActionParsnip> Adamu: its a common misconception
[17:00] <jhutchins> adamu: If you think that makes a difference you should run gentoo.
[17:00] <pozz> DRice7, that scares me a little
[17:01] <DRice7> pozz: don't remove gedit, problem solved.
[17:01] <ActionParsnip> Jhutchins: i have a gentoo box
[17:01] <adamu> jhutchins, I was just wondering I didn't think it made that much of a different
[17:01] <pozz> DRice7, I may want to reinstall it to try fixing a different, unknown to me at this moment, bug...
[17:02] <DRice7> pozz: the just create a small bash script to call the binary with the option
[17:02] <DRice7> again, problem solved
[17:02] <Rexter> ActionParsnip; thanks for your help on this. Cannot find device "eth0"
[17:02] <sacto1358> guys where are you from?
[17:02] <sacto1358> usa?
[17:02] <DRice7> sacto1358: it's the internet - probably from everywhere.
[17:02] <ActionParsnip> Rexter: ok run the lshw command again, what interface name does it have?
[17:02] <OerHeks> sacto1358, do you have an ubuntu support issue?
[17:03] <ActionParsnip> Sacto1358: that is moot here, this is support
[17:03] <DRice7> ActionParsnip, do you have a rec. for that program that maps SSHFS in windows?
[17:03] <sacto1358> i try use other chat
[17:03] <ActionParsnip> MrMonkey31: if you dont change the build options, you will get the exact same binaries which come in via apt-get
[17:03] <jhutchins> MrMonkey31: Perhaps it's time to read up on the format of makefiles.  If make reports no target "foo" it means that the makefile doesn't have a section named "foo".
[17:03] <adamu> MrMonkey31, When I was building wine on Slackware on a 64bit system I had to setup multilib
[17:04] <ActionParsnip> Drice7: you do, press UP cursor in the terminal, magic!
[17:04] <jhutchins> MrMonkey31: This is why it is useful to read the README and INSTALL files, if provided.
[17:05] <ActionParsnip> Drice7: then change the interface name in the command I gave
[17:05] <DRice7> ActionParsnip: not catching the subtle comedy in your response...
[17:05] <DRice7> oh snap
[17:05] <DRice7> I didn't see a command brb
[17:05] <Belial`> anyone having issues with thunderbird no sending notifications of new mail?
[17:06] <MrMonkey31> adamu: aye, and go through a minor heck involving it.  but you can't build the 64 bit wine if you want to do what most wine users use wine for. to clarify, I'm not noob at this task, just in general I am.
[17:06] <Rexter> ActionParsnip; same as before. I thought it was a driver issue. What we have done has changed my mind in that. I think the interface is installed, just to connected to the  network management tool somehow.
[17:06] <Thibaultmol> Hi all, I'm having a hard time figuring out how to add what I have to put in the custom_40 file to make a entry to boot into init3
[17:06] <MrMonkey31> jhutchins: I try to be effective, but don't you agree that sometimes there's a really short quick reason, but you've got to ask that right question?  guess this wasn't one of those cases, that's all
[17:06] <adamu> MrMonkey31, Okay
[17:07] <DRice7> ActionParsnip: okay i scrolled up, I see no command lol - can you throw it out again
[17:08] <david__> hello
[17:08] <ActionParsnip> Drice7: sudo lshw -C network
[17:08] <DRice7> ty
[17:08] <saotome> I am trying to make an upstart service. I created the .conf file in /etc/init (https://gist.github.com/enmanuelr/7721603). When I try to start the service I get the usual "start/running" state, but the process isn't actually running. What am I doing wrong?
[17:10] <Thibaultmol> Does anyone know how to add an entry in GRUB to make linux boot in init3?
[17:10] <llutz> !runlevel | Thibaultmol there is no "init 3" in ubuntu
[17:11] <llutz> !nox | Thibaultmol this might do what you want
[17:11] <ActionParsnip> Thibaultmol: add the boot option "text" and it will boot to runlevel 3
[17:12] <Thibaultmol> Basicly what I'm trying to do is install the official Nvidia driver and I'm kinda new to all of this and all of it seems like I'm doing something wrong
[17:13] <Thibaultmol> I tried using the ctrl + alt + F1 thing but it doesn't seem to recognize my login details as root
[17:14] <llutz> Thibaultmol: there is no active root-account in *buntu, use useraccount + sudo then
[17:14] <Rexter> Thibaultmol; can't you use the repositories?
[17:14] <Thibaultmol> The weird thing was that it says I have to pop in the install disk which makes me thing I'm doing something wrong
[17:15] <PatrickDickey> Thibaultmol: If you have the .deb file downloaded, you use sudo dpkg -i name.deb
[17:15] <i3luefire> where can i read the log files for sshd?
[17:15] <anchx> I am having troubles installing py_bcrypt OR bcrypt at 12.04 with python 3.2, any idea?
[17:15] <PatrickDickey> Thibaultmol: That probably means that your disc is still listed in the sources files.
[17:15] <adamu> Thibaultmol,  make sure you blacklist nouveau in /etc/modprobe.d/  since you can't install the nvidia drivers while nouveau is loaded
[17:16] <_root_> In nginx i get 2013/11/30 20:06:01 [crit] 2403#0: *8 connect() to unix:/var/run/php5-fpm/forums.socket failed (2: No such file or directory) while connecting to upstream, but i did mkdir -p /var/run/php5-fpm/
[17:17] <Thibaultmol> adamu: I have blacklisted that, I need to restart I assume
[17:17] <adamu> i3luefire, I believe it is /var/log/auth.log or /var/log/auth
[17:17] <adamu> Thibaultmol, Yeah
[17:19] <pos_> I need to be root to init 6, but why don't I need to be root to reboot with the gui?
[17:19] <ActionParsnip> Pos_: no you dont
[17:19] <stowelly> Hi, I have 13,10 but my keyboard seems to be stuck in US layout, when i need UK, all settings in menus seem to display english uk, but still the layout isnt changing. any ideas?
[17:19] <ActionParsnip> Pos_: sudo init 6
[17:20] <pos_> ActionParsnip: ok, sudo then.  How come I don't need to sudo with the GUI?
[17:20] <ActionParsnip> Pos_: or use the menu in the top right
[17:20] <ActionParsnip> Pos_: it uses polkit
[17:20] <pos_> ActionParsnip: I want a user to be able to reboot the box from a terminal without giving them root privs
[17:21] <ActionParsnip> Pos_: you could add shutdown to not need a password entry (it will still need sudo)
[17:21] <MrMonkey31> jhutchins: thanks for the tips.  it's actually *past* time that I studied the format of makefiles.  but so far I'm just trying to get by, for my first few months of linux usage :>)
[17:21] <pos_> ActionParsnip: Ahhh.  I'll look into that then.  THanks
[17:21] <stowelly> even the @keyboard layout chart@ that it shows in the settings shows UK layout, so i dont understand the issue....
[17:21] <adamu>  you could make it suid? sudo chmod +s /usr/sbin/reboot - (would this be secure)
[17:21] <ActionParsnip> Pos_: or you can add it in sudoers so that certain users can use the shutdown command etc.
[17:22] <ActionParsnip> Adanu: nice!
[17:22] <ActionParsnip> Pos_: use suid as above :-)
[17:22] <llutz> adamu: you don't want set suid-root if its not really needed
[17:24] <ActionParsnip> Llutz: lets anyone use the binary :-)
[17:24] <llutz> ActionParsnip: nice idea
[17:24] <ActionParsnip> Llutz: shutdown etc, you get the idea
[17:25] <adamu> can you exploit /etc/sudoers if you don't use absolute paths?
[17:25] <thibaultmol_> Adamu: I rebooted so how am I supposed to install the driver in the best way?
[17:25] <adamu> not you but an external attacker
[17:25] <adamu> thibaultmol_, I would go into init 3 and run NVIDIA-INSTALLER.run
[17:26] <thibaultmol_> adamu: but I can't login for some reason. it says my login is incorrect even though I enter with root and my root password which I have checked in the terminal
[17:27] <adamu> thibaultmol_, login your user (e.g. thibaultmol_ ) then sudo su
[17:27] <llutz> sudo -i
[17:27] <thibaultmol_> adamu: that doesn't work either for some reason
[17:27] <adamu> what doesn't logging in as thibaultmol_  ?
[17:28] <thibaultmol_> adamu: Well my username is thibaultmol but somehow after I enter my password it says that they are incorrect
[17:28] <as> good choice for a username. types easily :P
[17:28] <adamu> thibaultmol_, oh well thats a different problem in and of itself make sure caps lock is disabled..
[17:29] <ActionParsnip> Thibaultmol_: try: less /etc/passwd ,verify the username
[17:29] <thibaultmol_> adamu: I have typed my password in the username box at some point to check if it was typed correctly and that was fine
[17:30] <thibaultmol_> ActionParsnip: ill check that, sec
[17:30] <llutz> thibaultmol_: "getent passwd thibaultmol"
[17:30] <adamu> thibaultmol_, Is there an account you can login to on the system?
[17:32] <thibaultmol_> ActionParsnip: Don't exactly understand what I need to check for there
[17:32] <thibaultmol_> llutz: I get this as a result: thibaultmol:x:1000:1000:Thibault Molleman,,,:/home/thibaultmol:/bin/bash
[17:32] <thibaultmol_> llutz: so I get that means it works
[17:32] <llutz> thibaultmol_: at least the username is correct
[17:33] <ActionParsnip> It shows you are using the right username.
[17:33] <thibaultmol_> ActionParsnip: well I got a big list of things, that good?
[17:33] <ActionParsnip> Thibaultmol_: yes those are the user and system accounts
[17:34] <thibaultmol_> ActionParsnip: 'thibaultmol' is in there
[17:35] <thibaultmol_> Ill have to figure out the issue another time, I have to.. bye
[17:45] <Mysterytrain> I know i can open up sources.list but is there a command to show the repositories you have enabled
[17:48] <thor_> do any of you know a wiki desktop software that allows collaboration?
[17:51] <thor_> haha.. asking questions on a saturday night. optimistic :D
[17:51] <usr13> thor_: There are several
[17:52] <thor_> usr13, can you remember some of them?
[17:52] <thor_> usr13, or do you use one yourself?
[17:53] <thor_> usr13, I use Zim wiki, and love it. but Im not sure It can do collaboration
[17:53] <usr13> thor_: Well, don't know about "desktop" software, (not sure what "desktop software" means).  But I've used pmwiki
[17:53] <usr13> http://www.pmwiki.org/
[17:53] <saotome> I am trying to make an upstart service. I created the .conf file in /etc/init (https://gist.github.com/enmanuelr/7721603). When I try to start the service I get the usual "start/running" state, but the process isn't actually running. What am I doing wrong?
[17:53] <usr13> saotome: Is the executable bit set for it?
[17:55] <usr13> saotome: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/
[17:55] <saotome> usr13, it was not. I changed it but it made no difference
[17:55] <usr13> saotome: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/getting-started.html
[17:55] <thor_> usr13, thanks man :) pmwiki looks like the right thing for me :) have a fun Saturday night
[17:56] <i3luefire> ok. i am still having issues logging into my system via ssh. here are some logs and the error putty gives http://pastebin.com/9u4Waiun
[17:58] <DRice7> Anyone have experience dealing with generic monitors not being detected?
[18:00] <usr13> saotome: Do you get any results runing the script from a terminal?
[18:01] <usr13> saotome: Is the script operational?
[18:01] <saotome> usr13, yup everything is fine if I run manually.
[18:05] <mdkess> Does anyone have experience with Ubuntu and high res screens? I want to pick up the Dell XPS 15 9530, which has a not too shabby 15.6" 3200x1800 screen, and I was wondering how well that would work out. Anyone have experience with this sort of thing?
[18:05] <usr13> saotome: ls -l /etc/init/your-scrip   #Tell us what it says.
[18:06] <usr13> -rw-r--r--  or -rwxr-xr-x  ?
[18:06] <saotome> usr13, -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 580 Nov 30 13:04 /etc/init/panacea.conf
[18:07] <usr13> saotome: sudo chmod +x /etc/init/panacea.conf
[18:07] <saotome> usr13, the getting start page says it shouldn't be executable, and none of the other existing .conf files are executable
[18:07] <usr13> (you need to enable the executable bit for it.)
[18:07] <saotome> usr13 "Jobs are defined in files placed in /etc/init, the name of the job is the filename under this directory without the .conf extension. They are plain text files and should not be executable."
[18:07] <saotome> usr13, ok
[18:07] <usr13> Oh, it's not the script?
[18:08] <saotome> usr13, I feel like I'm missing something
[18:08] <usr13> saotome: That is not where the conf file goes.  Just in /etc  is ok
[18:08] <saotome> usr13, I have the conf file, and the exec line points to a binary. There is no "script". Is that what I'm missing?
[18:09] <usr13> saotome: You are missing something.  .conf is for a config file, not a start script.
[18:09] <saotome> usr13, so the conf should point to the script, and the script should point to the binary?
[18:10] <rallias_compbad> Is there an ISO available that supports all drivers in the full desktop install that fits on a CD?
[18:11] <hassen> why in most of caricature pictures ,they  present ubuntu as the winner while windows as the sick/loser one?
[18:11] <saotome> hassen, who makes the caricatures?
[18:11] <compdoc> racism
[18:11] <hassen> saotome, e.g google images ubuntu vs windows
[18:12] <hassen> or linux vs windows
[18:12] <saotome> hassen, why does PC lose to Mac in ads commissioned by Apple?
[18:12] <hassen> saotome, become apple has made those ads in such context
[18:13] <saotome> hassen, a lot of us think that linux is superior to windows in many respect. Some of us have a lot of free time and express that sentimient in the form of immature images.
[18:13] <saotome> hassen, people will always defend that which they like
[18:13] <rallias_compbad> Is there any way to add my wireless driver to the mini.iso distribution item?
[18:13] <hassen> saotome, according to you which one?
[18:14] <usr13> saotome: Usually, not always.
[18:14] <nashant> Is this valid in a init.d default file? http://paste.ubuntu.com/6500244/
[18:16] <usr13> saotome: Actually, some will objectively state that one OS would be better for some things, and another would be good for others, one has more overall versatility, has more customizable features, easier to secure, etc. etc.
[18:17] <saotome> usr13, completely agree. The ones that aren't objective, among other things, make silly pictures.
[18:17] <saotome> usr13, which is what hassen is asking after all
[18:17] <Kartagis> what's the command to reload a module in use?
[18:18] <usr13> One particular Ford may be better than a Chevy but another particular Chevy may be better than another particular Ford model in some respects but not in others.
[18:19] <m0rt> Ребят, говорит кто по русски
[18:19] <bonhoeffer> so ubuntu is hung at the splash screen, any options?
[18:19] <llutz> nashant: dash (ubuntus default system shell) has no var[index] syntax for arrays, that's a bashism
[18:20] <lonewulf85> dimmer switch does not work in ubuntu 12.04
[18:20] <geirha> nashant: In other words, yes, if you set the script's shebang to #!/bin/bash
[18:20] <usr13> bonhoeffer: Any errors?  (Hit Esc key and see if there is anyting more...)
[18:21] <bonhoeffer> usr13: esc key doesn't do anything
[18:21] <geirha> nashant: You should use lowercase variable names though, to avoid accidentally overriding special shell variables (which are all uppercase)
[18:21] <bonhoeffer> still logo with five bullets underneath
[18:22] <usr13> bonhoeffer: Not much telling....
[18:22] <louisdk> I'm doing some partition work with Gparted. I'm just wordering if the swap should be inside or outside an extended partition?
[18:22] <usr13> bonhoeffer: Are the bullets flashing?
[18:23] <llutz> louisdk: makes no difference
[18:23] <bonhoeffer> usr13: no
[18:23] <louisdk> llutz: Okay. Thanks.
[18:23] <usr13> louisdk: Partitions are partitions, no matter if they are logical or primary ones.
[18:23] <SASDOE> can anyone test my website for me? I would like to know if the redirection works. And if it is masked or not: http://4242.co/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=42e5e7537289b08515edc43e75beb475
[18:25] <usr13> louisdk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disk_partitioning
[18:26] <hassen> wew,doing stuff in ubuntu requires some manual work,unlike windows where you just get the mouse and double click in ane exe installation thingy to get things
[18:27] <SASDOE> hassen: that what some people want
[18:27] <usr13> hassen: That is true in some cases and not in others.
[18:28] <hassen> that's good for learning IT i guess
[18:28] <zerowaitstate> hassen: the upside to that is if you want something very specific you can usually beat Linux into submission.
[18:28] <usr13> hassen: Most any task on a modern GUI can be set to a point and click experience no matter if it is MS-Windos or Linux
[18:28] <zerowaitstate> Linux has a lot more knobs to turn and buttons to push
[18:28] <usr13> hassen: So pointing and clicking is not a good comparison
[18:29] <Danato> SASDOE: what is it supposed to show?
[18:29] <SASDOE> a screenshot
[18:30] <hassen> usr13, yep,you learn typing scripts
[18:30] <bonhoeffer> usr13: any troubleshooting options?
[18:30] <usr13> hassen: Comparing one computer OS to another is very complicated - would be an endless conversation.
[18:30] <SASDOE> if I try via HMA web it works, but a friend tells me he sees the it works page. How could that be possible?
[18:31] <usr13> bonhoeffer: You might test your RAM.  (Not knowing much about your system, it is hard to tell)
[18:31] <usr13> bonhoeffer: Did you try the recovery option at boot?
[18:32] <SASDOE> Danato: what do you see?
[18:32] <Danato> SASDOE: all i see is a blank page, but i checked the source and i found this http://4242.no-ip.org/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=42e5e7537289b08515edc43e75beb475
[18:32] <usr13> !recovery bonhoeffer
[18:32] <usr13> !recovery | bonhoeffer
[18:33] <usr13> !text | bonhoeffer
[18:33] <SASDOE> Danato: annoying
[18:33] <SASDOE> Danato: Thanks though
[18:34] <Danato> SASDOE: no problem
[18:35] <hassen> bhow to run a 'file_name.deb' file?by "suso bash file_name.deb" ?
[18:35] <hassen> how*
[18:36] <zerowaitstate> !dpkg
[18:36] <SASDOE> Danato: any ideas why I can access it fine with hma web?
[18:36] <zerowaitstate> dpkg -i blah.deb
[18:36] <hassen> zerowaitstate, understood,thanks
[18:37] <zerowaitstate> well sudo dpkg -i blah.deb
[18:37] <Danato> SASDOE: whats hma?
[18:37] <lonewulf85> dimmer no work in Ubuntu 12.04 x64
[18:37] <SASDOE> Danato: hide my ass. a web proxy
[18:38] <Danato> SASDOE: jst wanted to make sure, let me try
[18:39] <Danato> SASDOE: yeah i see it too
[18:40] <SASDOE> Danato: does 4242.co/owncloud work or not at all?
[18:40] <Danato> it works using hide my ass
[18:40] <zeldak> I can't configure Debian, so I came to ubuntu ;'(
[18:41] <SASDOE> Danato: how can it work through a web proxy but not without?
[18:42] <jack2091> ciao
[18:42] <jack2091> ! list
[18:42] <jack2091> ciao!
[18:42] <geirha> zeldak: and now you need help configuring ubuntu, or ...?
[18:42] <jack2091> list
[18:42] <DJones> !piracy | jack2091
[18:43] <zeldak> geirha, well it's like ... no
[18:43] <Danato> SASDOE: ive never seen that tbh
[18:43] <zeldak> geirha, but you could awnser me a thing?
[18:44] <SASDOE> Danato: could it have something to do with more up to date DNS servers than others?
[18:44] <geirha> zeldak: Depends on whether I know the answer or not
[18:44] <zeldak> geirha, if you know you would awnswer me?
[18:44] <usr13> zeldak: If you have a question, ask it.
[18:45] <zeldak> usr13, geirha, well why do we have 3 FloodBots?
[18:45] <usr13> zeldak: If you have a question about Ubuntu, ask it.
[18:46] <zeldak> usr13, ;'(
[18:46] <Danato> SASDOE: I dont know much about servers and how they work to be able to give you any valuable information
[18:46] <usr13> !topic
[18:47] <SASDOE> Danato: Thanks any way!
[18:47] <Danato> SASDOE: anytime
[18:51] <jack2091> ciao
[18:51] <geirha> zeldak: Probably to increase the chance of being on both sides of a netsplit. #ubuntu-bots may have a more correct answer.
[18:51] <jack2091> ! list
[18:52] <bonhoeffer> usr13: got it i'll try recovery mode
[18:52] <zeldak> geirha, hmm cool
[18:53] <jack2091> ciao
[18:56] <awesomess3> I noticed the ubuntu CD image is 883 MB. Can't a CD only store ~700 MB?
[18:57] <fedosgad> Yes
[18:57] <awesomess3> So it's more or less a DVD image, per say?
[18:57] <fedosgad> I think it's less
[18:59] <DJones> awesomess3: Yes they've been dvd/usb images for a couple of releases
[19:00] <jhutchins> awesomess3: The days when a whole distro fit on two CDs are long gone.
[19:03] <somersett> I'm getting excruciatingly slow samba speeds (0.03MB/sec)
[19:04] <dreamon_> Need help Usb3.0 is not working on lenovo g580 notebook. plug it in usb2.0 hdd works without problem.(on same machine) http://paste.ubuntu.com/6500291/
[19:05] <fuzzball> If I put, lets say, /bin and /lib into a ramdisk, with links in / to them, if I do an 'ls' into '/lib' or '/lib/modules/, would the harddisk be woken up from the call to / ?
[19:07] <paulicious> quelqu'un à un bug souri où on peut pas utiliser le clic gauche ?
[19:07] <geoffmcc> somersett: do you have a firewall enabled?
[19:08] <BluesKaj> !fr > paulicious
[19:08] <Somelauw> I don't know if more people experience this bug, but  update-alternatives --list javaws doesn't show /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk-amd64/jre/bin/javaw for me
[19:09] <somersett> I don't believe so. This is on a LAN, pushing files from a Ubuntu PC to a Windows 7 public folder, both have gigabit NICs and are connected to a gigabit switch
[19:09] <Somelauw> too lazy to register on the main site, so i hope i can report it here
[19:09] <geirha> Somelauw: Well, is icedtea installed?
[19:10] <geirha> Somelauw: Also, easier to use update-java-alternatives. It sets the symlinks for all the java files in one go
[19:12] <somersett> geoffmcc: This is on a LAN, pushing files from a Ubuntu PC to a Windows 7 public folder, both have gigabit NICs and are connected to a gigabit switch
[19:13] <daftykins> somersett: what's your speed the other way around? have you tested with 'iperf' to confirm there's no driver issue?
[19:13] <PatrickDickey> somersett: does it happen the other way around also (pushing a file from Windows 7 to Ubuntu)?
[19:13] <geoffmcc> somersett: i was just looking into it and some people said disable firewall caused to speed up, dont sound like that your problem. others say is driver issue for network card
[19:14] <somersett> I did try accesssing a FTP server on the Ubuntu box from the Win7 box and got the same 0.03MB/sec
[19:14] <daftykins> somersett: right, get iperf and test your throughput
[19:14] <hassen> Given that a partition labelled "2nd" is already mounted,how to access it in the terminal?
[19:14] <daftykins> it'll rule out protocols and hard disks
[19:15] <somersett> However Dropbox yields 5MB/sec
[19:15] <daftykins> hassen: type "mount" and see where it's been put
[19:15] <deserteagle> hello all!
[19:15] <deserteagle> anyone know how to work with inotify?
[19:15] <PatrickDickey> hassen: mount will show you the location that it's mounted at, and then cd /path-to-mount-point will take you there.
[19:15] <jmgk> hi all
[19:15] <vasku> ciaooooo :)
[19:16] <vasku> !list
[19:16] <PatrickDickey> somersett: Is either one of the directories located on a USB drive?
[19:16] <DRice7> So I have an error in my Xorg.log about the AST module not being loaded: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6500424/ then I found this driver: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-ast/ - can someone walk me through how to get this installed?
[19:17] <dondopa> Ubuntu 13.10 is quite buggy with nautilus when using Samba
[19:17] <jmgk> hi a..
[19:17] <dondopa> Sometimes I turn on the computer and as a I log in i get random system error messages
[19:17] <somersett> No. Win7 is on an internal SATA. Ubuntu is on IDE. When the box was running Windows XP, throughput was 10-30MB/sec.
[19:17] <dondopa> But nothing serious
[19:17] <Brute> yay ubuntu#
[19:17] <rodney77> Hi, I'm having a hard time getting ubuntu to support the features of my ultrabook. it's an MSI s20 and it supports auto screen rotation, multitouch, and HD graphics, none of which work right now. I'm on 12.04. Does anyone have any help for me on that?
[19:18] <hassen> daftykins, PatrickDickey understood,thanks.
[19:18] <PatrickDickey> DRice7: I'd say download it, and check the README file. They typically have installation instructions.
[19:18] <dondopa> rodney try Ubuntu 13.10
[19:18] <daftykins> DRice7: which graphics card is it?
[19:18] <DRice7> PatrickDickey: I git cloned it and it just says what the git clone is, in the README
[19:18] <daftykins> somersett: like i said, look into iperf.
[19:18] <DRice7> daftykins: it's the built in VGA card on an ASRock E3C224-V+
[19:19] <DRice7> Anytime I plug an external monitor in, I can't boot the server having problems redirection the DISPLAY variable, etc etc...I think this is my fix
[19:19] <PatrickDickey> DRice7: ./Configure typically will be a good place to start, then make and sudo make install. But I'd look around their site for documentation then.
[19:19] <Brute> who has skype
[19:20]  * PatrickDickey I have skype.
[19:20] <daftykins> DRice7: is this not a server system with a server OS though?
[19:20] <DRice7> PatrickDickey: The site is a bit shoddy for navigation - thanks for the info :)
[19:20] <Brute> message me your skype
[19:20] <DRice7> daftykins: I know, I know - why do I need a GUI...I'm moving a bunch of files using Filezilla from my DLINKNAS to the local hard drives
[19:21] <PatrickDickey> Brute: Um, I only message my skype name to hot women. LOL Is there a particular problem that you're having?
[19:21] <Somelauw> not sure what ice tea is, but the file I mentioned does exist, so there is no reason update-alternatives shouldn't find it
[19:21] <Brute> yes with Tor
[19:21] <Brute> I do all the things people say on ubuntuforums and i still get the same error
[19:21] <daftykins> DRice7: which protocols does said NAS file share with? it'd be easy to copy them over with samba access
[19:22] <PatrickDickey> What error are you getting Brute?
[19:22] <DRice7> samba is super slow
[19:22] <DRice7> talking about TBs of data
[19:22] <PatrickDickey> Somelauw: icedtea is the open source version of Java.
[19:22] <daftykins> DRice7: hrmm over gigabit LAN it shouldn't be :D
[19:22] <PatrickDickey> !java > Somelauw
[19:22] <Brute> Vidalia was unable to start Tor. Check your settings to ensure the correct name and location of your Tor executable is specified.
[19:22] <Somelauw> I didn't know about update-java-alternatives. I first tried setting them each manually, then I just uninstalled java6, so everything got updated automatically.
[19:22] <Brute> i downloaded tor from ubuntu software thingy.
[19:22] <Somelauw> PatrickDickey: if apt-get install openjdk7 install icetea, then yes
[19:22] <DRice7> dafty, 10 MB/s vs 25 MB/s difference using FTP over samba for this configuration
[19:23] <Somelauw> then i got icetea
[19:23] <PatrickDickey> tor | Brute
[19:23] <PatrickDickey> Sorry.
[19:23] <Brute> yes
[19:23] <PatrickDickey> !tor | Brute
[19:23] <Brute> i know
[19:23] <daftykins> DRice7: anyway, i see googling the exact graphics driver gives ubuntu and other distro downloads for a graphics driver from Asus
[19:23] <DRice7> PatrickDickey: I have an auutogen.sh - but when I run it, I get an error about autoreconf not being found
[19:24] <Somelauw> PatrickDickey: So icetea is a codename for openjdk?
[19:24] <daftykins> DRice7: i would certainly trust Asus file downloads, or even the graphics manufacturer 'ASpeed' themselves
[19:24] <PatrickDickey> Brute: It sounds like it didn't install right, or you need a symlink to the actual bin file.
[19:24] <DRice7> daftykins, holy hell what google search did you do
[19:24] <PatrickDickey> Somelauw: It's the version name, If I remember right.
[19:24] <Brute> i installed it from Ubuntu Software center not torproject
[19:25] <daftykins> DRice7: first i googled the motherboard and came up with: http://www.asrock.com/server/overview.asp?Model=E3C224-V%2B
[19:25] <PatrickDickey> Brute: That doesn't matter. Their documentation will still help you figure out the problem.
[19:25] <daftykins> DRice7: that told me the adapter is an Aspeed AST1300 (perhaps you can confirm with 'lspci' ?)
[19:25] <dougl> I thot tor users were up to no good?
[19:26] <Siva> Hi Guys..
[19:26] <DRice7> 06:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ASPEED Technology, Inc. ASPEED Graphics Family (rev 21)
[19:26] <PatrickDickey> dougl: Only the ones who use it for malicious reasons. But there are a lot of people using it for good. It was one of the main ways to report on the Olympics in Bejing a few years ago, for example.
[19:26] <daftykins> DRice7: so a completely different board admittedly, but it has downloads for that adapter for Ubuntu versions, give it a try: http://www.asus.com/gr/support/Download/5/33/P9D-C4L/8/
[19:27] <daftykins> DRice7: 0.98 appears the newest as per the aspeed website
[19:27] <dougl> PatrickDickey, enuff said - lesson learned = thank you :)
[19:27]  * PatrickDickey knows people who use it so they can watch BBC programs in America.
[19:27] <PatrickDickey> dougl: Not a problem.
[19:27] <dougl> ah
[19:27] <DRice7> daftykins, you are the man - hang tight while I download this stuff
[19:27] <daftykins> DRice7: ok i'm going to cook now - let me know how it goes :)
[19:28] <PatrickDickey> dougl: There are "grey areas" though. One of my friends used it to play a game off of a European server. It was a faster server than the ones in the US.
[19:29] <dougl> PatrickDickey, I understand... everything is a double edged sword these days
[19:29] <PatrickDickey> dougl: Exactly.
[19:29] <jmgk> hi all
[19:30] <dougl> hi
[19:33] <pero> i have a laptop that often slows down to a crawl with / on an ssd, and /home on a regular drive; running iotop sees  gnome-key~nts=pkcs11 writing intermittently at 3m/s and [jbd2/sdb1-8] soemtimes going crazy - thoughts?
[19:34] <jmgk> ok guys
[19:34] <hitsujiTMO> pero: can you pastebin the output of: df -h
[19:34] <jmgk> overall what is a better client for Ubuntu. Irssi or chat?
[19:34] <dougl> jmgk, we will get frowned at if we chat in here but is this text colored
[19:34] <jmgk> I know it depends on the preferences
[19:34] <dougl> xchat
[19:34] <jmgk> ?
[19:34] <jmgk> hm
[19:35] <dougl> xchat is what I found years ago and I am comfortable with it jmgk
[19:35] <jmgk> ah
[19:35] <hitsujiTMO> dougl: if you want a graphical client go with hexchat, otherwise irssi or weechat seem to be the more popular in cli
[19:35] <jmgk> I feel like more and more are going to text based clients per se
[19:35] <dougl> pirc and mirc on windows
[19:35] <pero> hitsujiTMO: http://pastebin.com/X9EGGxR4
[19:35] <jmgk> hitsujiTMO:  do you prefer CLI ?
[19:36] <hitsujiTMO> jmgk: i'm using hexchat. I haven't actually tested the cli clients
[19:36]  * dougl googling hexchat
[19:36] <jmgk> ah
[19:36] <jmgk> Hexchat is a newer version of Xchat dougl
[19:36] <jmgk> its the same thing
[19:36] <dougl> lol
[19:36] <dougl> thanks
[19:37] <jmgk> hehe yeah
[19:37] <jmgk> :P
[19:37] <hassen> omg...i got many thoughts about what to install and try in ubuntu so much that i became confused ,and finally i ended up staring at the scren haha
[19:37] <hassen> *screen*
[19:38] <hitsujiTMO> pero: have you tried running?: fstrim -v /
[19:38] <pero> hitsujiTMO: no - should i?
[19:39] <dougl> hassen, what do you do on your computer?
[19:39] <hitsujiTMO> pero: try it. although i don't think its your issue, but can be worth a shot
[19:39] <hitsujiTMO> pero: also have you enabled automatic trim?
[19:39] <hassen> dougl, can't tell what exactly..maybe i must refresh my mind a bit.
[19:40] <pero> trim should be enabled
[19:40] <pero> ,/: 59467685888 bytes were trimmed
[19:40]  * hassen is curious about ubuntu
[19:41] <dougl> hassen, pm?
[19:41] <hassen> dougl, sure
[19:41] <hitsujiTMO> pero: looks like its not. if those apps are dealing with a lot of tiny files then having auto trim on may cause problems.
[19:41] <hitsujiTMO> pero: from that output i'm guessing trim is not enabled atleast
[19:41] <pero> yeah, that's 55gb
[19:43] <hitsujiTMO> pero: when it slows down, what exactly is happening?
[19:43] <pero> hitsujiTMO: just really slow reads/writes
[19:43] <pero> like a movie will take 30 minutes to seek
[19:44] <pero> hitsujiTMO: i think that did the trick actually
[19:45] <hitsujiTMO> pero: give it a bit of time and if that worked then the best thing to do is set that as a daily cron
[19:45] <pero> hitsujiTMO: can't i enable autotrim somewhere?
[19:46] <hitsujiTMO> pero: you can but that could cause a similar issue if any app is deleting a lot of small files
[19:47] <pero> hitsujiTMO: it's just a regular computer - i don't really do much other than use a browser
[19:47] <somersett> daftykins: I got 562Mbps between the Win7 and Ubuntu machines on iperf
[19:47] <daftykins> somersett: be sure to use a good 32KB or so packet size
[19:48] <balrog-k1n> hi, i'm trying to install wine on a 64-bit system, i did dpkg --add-architecture i386 but now everytime i ask apt-get to install a i386 package it wants to remove everything 64-bit (or so it looks), what's wrong?
[19:48] <daftykins> somersett: and mix up which is the host and which is the client in order to be sure
[19:48] <hitsujiTMO> pero: its best to just run it as a daily cron. you can just create a bash script with just "fstrim /" and put it in /etc/cron.daily   or if you really want to enable auto trim. add the discard option to your ssd mounts in /etc/fstab
[19:49] <somersett> daftykins, what am I testing for here. We know that iperf has good throughput, so obviously the issue isn't in this application.
[19:49] <pero> hitsujiTMO: i'll take your word for it - thanks
[19:50] <daftykins> somersett: you're confirming the network adapter drivers are good for that throughput
[19:51] <daftykins> somersett: was it Windows 7 you said at the other end? have you made the registry tweaks which make it better at file serving?
[19:52] <rodney77> is there a way yet to get unity to autohide the top panel?
[19:53] <Danato> hitsujiTMO: are you here?
[19:54] <DRice7> daftykins: I'm running into issues creating an xorg.conf
[19:54] <daftykins> DRice7: how-so?
[19:54] <daftykins> DRice7: you might not even need one
[19:55] <somersett> daftykins. It's 562Mbps with the Win7 machine as server and 635Mbps with the Ubuntu as server.
[19:55] <DRice7> Number of created screens does not match number of detected devices.
[19:55] <daftykins> somersett: with a TCP window of 32KB?
[19:55] <DRice7> just skip xorg.conf?
[19:55] <daftykins> DRice7: your log before showed it was already trying to look for the module, if what you installed has provided that module, you may not need a config
[19:55] <somersett> WIndow size jumps around. One was 22KB, another was 85.3KB
[19:56] <daftykins> DRice7: if you do, i would expect you just need the one device section with the name of the module that that driver installed - hopefully it came with a readme to suggest what it provided
[19:56] <DRice7> daftykins: I like your logic - the auto-update.sh seems to have taken care of things...now to reboot
[19:57] <daftykins> somersett: no, it's a value you set on the command line when creating both a server and a client
[19:57] <daftykins> somersett: e.g. iirc: "iperf -s -w 32K" and "iperf -w 32K -c <IP>"
[19:58] <dreamon_> Need help Usb3.0 is not working on lenovo g580 notebook. plug it in usb2.0 hdd works without problem.(on same machine) http://paste.ubuntu.com/6500291/
[19:58] <daftykins> dreamon_: so is it an external hard disk?
[19:58] <dreamon_> YES
[19:59] <daftykins> dreamon_: and you see nothing from 'sudo fdisk -l' after connecting?
[19:59] <somersett> daftykins: This program is kind of screwy. When I test my Debian laptop as client (802.11n), I get 80Mbps. When the laptop is server, I get 34.4Gbps
[19:59] <daftykins> Gbps? heh that's a bit iffy
[19:59] <daftykins> maybe you've just got some sketchy builds
[20:00] <rajumoh> the maximum resolution supported on my laptop is 1360X768, is it possible to increase it to 1600x900?
[20:00] <dreamon_> daftykins, no.. only the existing drivers
[20:00] <daftykins> rajumoh: no
[20:00] <daftykins> rajumoh: unless you mean that the screen is 1600x900 but Ubuntu won't offer you that resolution?
[20:01] <rajumoh> daftykins: u got the question right first time :-D
[20:01] <daftykins> ;)
[20:01] <dreamon_> daftykins, same here -> http://askubuntu.com/questions/218055/usb-3-0-port-with-usb-3-0-device-in-ubuntu-12-10
[20:01] <daftykins> yep you can't draw more pixels on a screen with a finite amount
[20:01] <daftykins> dreamon_: is 12.10 what you're using too?
[20:02] <dreamon_> daftykins, No. 12.04.3 kernel 3.8.0.33
[20:03] <rajumoh> daftykins: i was wondering if it could be as a software wrapper solution, i know the  output might look a bit sketchy but would increase the screen realestate
[20:03] <daftykins> dreamon_: is that the newest raring backport kernel?
[20:03] <jmgk> hi rajumoh
[20:03] <daftykins> rajumoh: if there is, i have no idea - sorry. i think it would become unreadable
[20:04] <rajumoh> daftykins: yeah figured the same, but wanted to actually have a look as to how bad it would be, thanks anyways
[20:04] <daftykins> np
[20:05] <dreamon_> daftykins, I think so. backports are active.System is up to date
[20:06] <FrancisH_> hey guys have any of you ever encrypted and setup a mail server on ubuntu, or ubuntu server?
[20:07] <daftykins> dreamon_: hrmm, it's a bit beyond my experience then i'm afraid. i would maybe boot a live session from the USB 2 port of a newer ubuntu, (with a newer kernel) then connect the drive and see what it does. (or just put a newer kernel on)
[20:08] <gioacchino> ciao
[20:08] <gioacchino> !list
[20:08] <dreamon_> daftykins, I will do so.. think it could be a problem of the usb3.0 to sata adapter I used getting the hdd to work
[20:10] <daftykins> dreamon_: could be - if you had another system to test it on that'd probably be handy too
[20:12] <hallah> I'd like to inteject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
[20:12] <hallah> Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
[20:12] <hallah> There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in
[20:12] <hallah> combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.
[20:12] <FloodBot1> hallah: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:12] <fabydonciao> ciao a tutti
[20:13] <\u03b5> I'm not sure I understand how to enable apport's crash intercepter without it transmitting the resulting dump to launchpad and whatnot. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport#Ubuntu_12.04_and_later seems to imply it would transmit them
[20:14] <\u03b5> so is there a better resource than [[Apport]] on how to configure it?
[20:18] <kostkon> hallah, take your propaganda elsewhere please
[20:18] <fabydonciao> !list
[20:19] <hallah> kostkon, it's obvious you do not use software that is free as in freedom
[20:19] <ActionParsnip> Hallah: do you have an Ubuntu support question?
[20:20] <bekks> hallah: It is offtopic in here.
[20:20] <hitsujiTMO> !ot | hallah this is a support channel not a channel on discussing topics you don't fully understand. maybe try #ubuntu-offtopic and someone there might take the time to explain the fallacies in your understanding of what linux and gnu/linux actually are
[20:21] <hallah> yeah, why do you ubuntu users keep refering to GNU/Linux as just "Linux"?
[20:21] <hallah> dumbfucks
[20:21] <ActionParsnip> Hallah: you can chitchat all you want in #ubuntu-offtopic or ##club-ubuntu
[20:21] <hallah> nice wannabe-moderating ActionParsnip
[20:21] <hallah> suck mod dick some more
[20:21] <ActionParsnip> What a strange person
[20:22] <hitsujiTMO> Danato: yes i am here
[20:22] <daftykins> i only wish i were still surprised by such types
[20:22] <Pici> !guidelines > hallah
[20:22] <BluesKaj> hallah , cut  and paste somewhere else
[20:22] <\u03b5> should I restate my question?
[20:22] <bekks> \u03b5: yes please
[20:23] <ActionParsnip> \u03b5: please
[20:23] <\u03b5> I'm not sure I understand how to enable apport's crash intercepter without it transmitting the resulting dump to launchpad and whatnot. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport#Ubuntu_12.04_and_later seems to imply it would transmit them
[20:23] <\u03b5> so is there a better resource than [[Apport]] on how to configure it?
[20:23] <Danato> hitsujiTMO: nice, sorry for bothering you again, but can I have your assistance testing the new kernel again?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1250051
[20:23] <Danato> hitsujiTMO: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.13-rc2-trusty/
[20:23] <somersett> daftykins: With 32KB window size, it's 633Mbps. The link maxes out at 741Mbps at 64KB
[20:23] <\u03b5> I'm looking to enable it so that I may access a crashing program's core dump later
[20:24] <daftykins> somersett: cool - and the win7 reg modifications? have you made them already or not?
[20:24] <\u03b5> the program is not issued from the repos
[20:24] <ActionParsnip> Danato: what is the output of: uname -a
[20:25] <Kishlay> Shutdown button not working on ubunt 13.10   Can someone help please?
[20:25] <somersett> daftykins: What kinds of mods?
[20:25] <aguitel> anyone trying to install epson multifunction cx 5600 ?
[20:25] <ActionParsnip> Kishlay: do you mean in the dropdown in the top right?
[20:25] <Danato> ActionParsnip: 3.11.0-13-generic #20-Ubuntu SMP Wed Oct 23 07:38:26 UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
 Yes
[20:26] <daftykins> somersett: two registry key value changes to improve file serving on win7
[20:26] <lazo> hello guy
[20:26] <ActionParsnip> Danato: then get the 2 deb files with 'amd64' in the name and the one will 'all' in it
[20:27] <ActionParsnip> Kishlay: if you run: sudo shutdown -h now ,does it power off
[20:27] <somersett> daftykins: What are they? You would think performance would be decent without them, but I'll try them.
[20:27] <PDilyard> i have a .sh file that starts several terminals and runs commands in each one. how can i ssh into my server, start these scripts, and then close the ssh session but leave those other scripts running?
 Yes I have tried that
 that will shutdown... But i want the dropdown button to work
[20:28] <ActionParsnip> Kishlay: does it power off?
[20:28] <hitsujiTMO>    Danato this should do: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6500964/      just do the same as you did with 3.12 kernel. if this has the same issue where it won't boot. I'd also try grabbing the latest trusty daily build and see if the issue is on the daily build too.
[20:28] <ActionParsnip> Kishlay: ok, i suggest you report a bug, you have a workaround for now
[20:28] <daftykins> somersett: performance is, but it can be kinda buggy. windows 7 is sold as a client OS so no, file serving is not one of its' prerequisites
[20:29] <anew> -bash: !": "event not found"
[20:29] <anew> i get that when i'm running my perl script in ubuntu
[20:29] <anew> any idea wtf it means
[20:29] <daftykins> somersett: http://alan.lamielle.net/2009/09/03/windows-7-nonpaged-pool-srv-error-2017
 Thanks...   I have already reported the bug and I have to use cairo for shutdown now
[20:30] <ActionParsnip> Kishlay: ok sweet
[20:30] <daftykins> somersett: it may not instantly improve speeds, but it's a worthy addition nonetheless. did you say you've tried copying from Windows *TO* Ubuntu also? or just to Windows?
[20:30] <somersett> Both. It's a dead 0.03MB/sec either way.
[20:30] <vovick> anew: what line are you using to run your script?
[20:30] <anew> perl script.pl
[20:31] <Omur> hello
[20:31] <hitsujiTMO> anew is the perl script caslling a bash script?
[20:31] <anew> well i do have perl script.pl -text "text goes here"
[20:31] <jmgk> hi Omur
[20:32] <Omur> selam
[20:32] <anew> no, should be straight perl
[20:32] <ActionParsnip> Doesnt Cairo dock have its own Window Manager
[20:32] <Omur> kimse yokmu yardımıc olacak
[20:32] <anew> let me mess with the cli options see if that does anything
[20:32] <anew> selam lol
[20:32] <hitsujiTMO> anew: can you pastebin the script?
[20:32] <ActionParsnip> Anew: add the top line for perl to set the interpretter
[20:32] <anew> this is a religious free irc room !
[20:32] <Omur> linux da autocad calıştıra bilirmiyim
[20:32] <anew> let me test something
[20:32] <ActionParsnip> Anew: yes it is pure support
[20:32] <\u03b5> anew: perl5 is not a religion, it is heresy
[20:32] <anew> lol
[20:33] <hassen> doh...everytime the mouse right-click generated menu in any sort of flash in the browser makes the browser unresponsive,i wonder what's up.
[20:34] <malimbar> does anyone know a good resource for how to build a .deb package?
[20:34] <anew> ok
[20:34] <anew> seems that when i add parameters
[20:34] <anew> like
[20:35] <zkvvoob> Hi guys! I have some problems receiving mail on a Ubuntu 12.04 server. Would someone like to help me?
[20:35] <anew> perl script.pl -review "test this ... out what's up!"
[20:35] <anew> it gives me that error
[20:35] <anew> if i leave that out it's fine, but shouldnt it run inside the quotes ?
[20:35] <pero> hitsujiTMO: re trim: while that made the computer more usable, web browsing was still noticably laggier and then it completely choked downloading a few large jpgs, and eventually completely froze the system; on reboot it took 1 minute to load whereas it normally takes 30s
[20:35] <Danato> hitsujiTMO: although i got it now, ive got no idea what did i do to install and uninstall the 3.12 kernel. So after dpkg them should i simply reboot now?
[20:35] <Pici> anew: try single quotes
[20:36] <anew> ok
[20:36] <pero> hitsujiTMO: is it maybe time for a new hd? the non-ssd drive is from 2006
[20:36] <ActionParsnip> Anew: i'd ask in #perl too
[20:36] <anew> think that worked
[20:36] <anew> single quotes
[20:37] <ActionParsnip> Danato: install the debs at the same time using dpkg
[20:37] <hitsujiTMO> pero: quite possibly, can you have a look at the smart info. un the disks utility you can find it there
[20:38] <Danato> ActionParsnip: i already installed them using dpkg, it was in hitsujiTMO pastebin, so now i jst reboot right?
[20:38] <zkvvoob> Hi guys! I have some problems receiving mail on a Ubuntu 12.04 server. Would someone like to help me?
[20:38] <hitsujiTMO> Danato: yeah, after you install the debs with dpkg, restart and it sholud boot the kernel. if it fails to boot remember to boot the older kernel by finding it in the advanced menu in grub
[20:38] <ActionParsnip> Anew: if you make the top line be: #!/usr/bin/perl ,you won't need to use the perl binary to run the script, the shell will just know
[20:38] <Danato> hitsujiTMO: got it
[20:38] <ActionParsnip> Danato: yes
[20:39] <hitsujiTMO> Danato: also disable the blacklight script beforee the roboot so you can actually test :P
[20:39] <uBUXUBu> what can cause a desktop computer to refuse to boot from the cd drive?
[20:39] <streulma> who uses Ubuntu on a Mac? :p
[20:39] <pero> hitsujiTMO: disk is OK apparently - this issue only started happening yesterday and i don't remember doing any installations or modifications
[20:39] <malimbar> streulma, I do on an older mac
[20:40] <hitsujiTMO> uBUXUBu: badly burned iso, invalid iso, fastboot enabled, secure boot enabled and the cd doesn't have a secure kernel or shim.
[20:40] <ActionParsnip> Ubuxubu: trying to boot a DVD in a CD only drive
[20:40] <uBUXUBu> hmmm but i have installed OS's on it before?
[20:40] <hitsujiTMO> pero: its a little odd to be honest. can't think off the top of my head what the cause might be
[20:41] <uBUXUBu> ahhh ok action
[20:41] <uBUXUBu> ill check it
[20:41] <uBUXUBu> i have 2 identical dells and i mean identical
[20:41] <Beldar> uBUXUBu, Are you aware of the per-session boot menu?
[20:41] <uBUXUBu> one boots form cd other wont
[20:41] <ActionParsnip> Ubuxubu: did you md5 test the iso you downloaded? Did you burn as slowly as possible
[20:41] <alket> anyone knows how to test internet connection in linux, I have the integrated wireless and two usb wireless , since the integrated one is low I want to test which one is faster
[20:41] <uBUXUBu> well yes its tested because i just installed it on the computers twin bro
[20:42] <uBUXUBu> i have 2 identical dells part for part
[20:42] <Beldar> uBUXUBu, be sure to use nicks here you can tab complete them.
[20:42] <ActionParsnip> Alket: ping 8.8.8.8 do you get replies?
[20:42] <hitsujiTMO> alket: try speedtest.net but its not a 100% reliable test. just an indicator
[20:42] <uBUXUBu> ok Beldar, ActionParsnip and hitsujiTMO
[20:43] <ActionParsnip> Ubuxubu: you could use unetbotin and make an install usb using the iso file
[20:43] <alket> ActionParsnip: yes
[20:43] <uBUXUBu> ok ActionParsnip
[20:43] <alket> ActionParsnip: 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3 ttl=50 time=46.2 ms
[20:43] <somersett> daftykins, I added the reg entry and sitll am only getting 0.03MB/s
[20:43] <streulma> malimbar: I want to run it on a Retina, but the screen and fonts are not sharp on 1680 resolution
[20:43] <uBUXUBu> but ima try to fix it
[20:43] <ActionParsnip> Alket: then internet is working
[20:43] <Danato> hitsujiTMO: I'm in, I had some error messages but i was able to boot well, the problem is fixed now :)
[20:43] <uBUXUBu> ty all
[20:44] <alket> ActionParsnip: but I want to know which one is faster
[20:44] <ActionParsnip> Streulma: tried xhanging font hinting?
[20:44] <hitsujiTMO> Danato: you did disable the backlight script first?
[20:44] <daftykins> somersett: it requires a restart, but yeah. like i said. anywho how did you setup SAMBA?
[20:44] <ActionParsnip> Alket: try speedtest.net as hitsujiTMO suggested
[20:44] <somersett> daftykins: smb.conf lol
[20:45] <alket> ActionParsnip: thank you, hitsujiTMO thank you too
[20:45] <Danato> hitsujiTMO: i havent been using it at all
[20:45] <malimbar> streulma, not sharp? ubuntu is saying it's 1680 resolution?
[20:46] <streulma> malimbar: it's 2880px resolution for Retina, but I scaled it
[20:46] <hitsujiTMO> streulma: can you pastebin the output of: xrandr
[20:46] <ActionParsnip> Danato: we cannot support that kernel in here as it is not from the repos but glad things are beter
[20:46] <daftykins> somersett: right, but you configured how much? any other special quirks going on in your setup?
[20:46] <malimbar> streulma, well scaling is going to cause non-sharpness
[20:47] <Danato> ActionParsnip: It was only for testing, in fact I still need help to uninstall this kernel. I'll wait for the stable release
[20:47] <Danato> jst going to reboot, brb
[20:47] <hitsujiTMO> Danato: can you pastebin the output of: dpkg --get-selections | grep linux-
[20:48] <zkvvoob> Hi guys! I have some problems receiving mail on a Ubuntu 12.04 server. Would someone like to help me?
[20:48] <malimbar> streulma, especially when you scale something with fixed pixels. Scaling means they have to guess what the missing pixels are, and then fuzz them together ot make them take up a weird area
[20:48] <ActionParsnip> Danato: you can use software centre or apt-get
[20:48] <Danato> hitsujiTMO: ok
[20:48] <Calinou> ask your question zkvvoob
[20:48] <ActionParsnip> Stremula: is this on Aple hardware?
[20:50] <malimbar> ActionParsnip, that's what he said. Not sure why that woudl matter though?
[20:50] <hitsujiTMO> streulma: have you correctly set a resolution with the same aspect ratio as your screen. 1680 * 1050 is 16:10 but a normal standard would be 16:9
[20:50] <zkvvoob> Here it is, then. I have a Ubuntu 12.04 server with Postfix/Dovecot installed. Up until a couple of weeks ago things worked fine. Right now I discovered that while I can send emails (notably from Rouncube which I use as webmail client), I can't receive any - either from telnet, or from outside
[20:50] <ActionParsnip> Malimbar: just curious
[20:50] <malimbar> jus t wondering if you had some magical knowledge I didn't know :)
[20:51] <ActionParsnip> Zkvvoob: can you ping the mail server it sends on to etc
[20:51] <Danato> hitsujiTMO: http://pastebin.com/SCrPXnwY
[20:51] <hitsujiTMO> streulma: having the wrong aspect ratio would certainly make the screen look a bit awful
[20:51] <zkvvoob> yes
[20:51] <zkvvoob> ActionParsnip: yes
[20:51] <Danato> ActionParsnip: it seems to update fine, and software center opens fine. anything in specific?
[20:52] <ActionParsnip> Danato: sudo apt-get --purge remove linux-image-3.13.0-031300rc2-generic ,will remove the kernel
[20:52] <hitsujiTMO> Danato: sudo apt-get purge linux-headers-3.13.0-031300rc2-generic linux-headers-3.13.0-031300rc2 linux-image-3.13.0-031300rc2-generic
[20:52] <ActionParsnip> Zkvvob: is it set right in the config? With SSL and authentication as needed
[20:53] <DRice7> daftykins: so the AST driver loads now and appears to be working. Now I am having problems with the monitor hah.
[20:53] <Danato> ActionParsnip: sorry, i misunderstood you before
[20:53] <zkvvoob> ActionParsnip: followed a tutorial on HowToForge - the Perfect server. It was months ago and it's been working fine.
[20:53] <Danato> hitsujiTMO: done, thanks. rebooting now
[20:54] <ActionParsnip> Zkvvoob: tried a reboot
[20:54] <zkvvoob> ActionParsnip: tried all the usual stuff
[20:55] <ActionParsnip> Does Cairo-Dock come with it's own Window manager?
[20:55] <Beldar> ActionParsnip, Yeah it installs its own de
[20:55] <omni_1991> Hello; This is new: http://omidnikta.github.io/qtmind , Play it please, enjoy it, and report bugs.
[20:55] <ActionParsnip> Zkvvoob: also ask in #ubuntu-server ,may want to check logs too
[20:56] <hitsujiTMO> ActionParsnip: no afaik. doesan't even have its own composite manager and it needs one
[20:56] <ActionParsnip> Beldar: thanks trying it now :-)
[20:56] <Beldar> ActionParsnip, I use just the dock in the shell for example though.
[20:57] <daftykins> DRice7: if it isn't one thing... :D is it just not getting the correct resolution? be aware that adapter seems very basic so you would likely get a poor picture
[20:57] <zkvvoob> ActionParsnip: ok, thanks!
[21:02] <Guest40427> Hi! Can you tell me how to run two audio apps at the same time in Ubuntu?
[21:02] <Guest40427> Ubuntu 13.10
[21:04] <Beldar> Guest40427, Can you give a little more detail and the end goal here.
[21:06] <linuxuz3r> what version of firefox on latest ubuntu?
[21:07] <malimbar> linuxuz3r, looking at mine it looks like 25.0.1
[21:07] <Beldar> linuxuz3r, 25 same as all releases
[21:07] <DJones> !info firefox
[21:07] <linuxuz3r> ok 25 here too
[21:07] <DJones> linuxuz3r: As above
[21:08] <linuxuz3r> but it is slow when watching multiple videos
[21:08] <bekks> linuxuz3r: flash videos?
[21:08] <linuxuz3r> yes
[21:08] <linuxuz3r> i need to upgrade flash?
[21:08] <streulma> then you have a slow cpu linuxuz3r?
[21:08] <bekks> You cant. Native flash isnbt supported by Adobe anymore. You have to use Chrom and the PepperFlash builtin.
[21:08] <streulma> I thought you run Linux on Mac linuxuz3r?
[21:09] <pero> hitsujiTMO: any chance you have any other angles for triaging? i'm downloading a torrent at 700kbps and everything is at a crawl
[21:09] <linuxuz3r> i have pc and macbookpro
[21:09] <linuxuz3r> i mostly run ubuntu on pc
[21:09] <linuxuz3r> bekks, i want ff instead of chrome
[21:09] <linuxuz3r> chrome logs to many things
[21:09] <Calinou> Guest40427, it is possible to do that by default just fine?
[21:09] <Calinou> what do you want to run?
[21:09] <Calinou> linuxuz3r, chromium.
[21:10] <Calinou> chrome without the downsides
[21:10] <Calinou> if you tweak it
[21:10] <merlin1978> I just want my ubuntu server to send email using java. what will I need to setup?
[21:10] <Calinou> linuxuz3r, flash eats CPU, if you run many videos at once it can use all of it
[21:10] <linuxuz3r> yes
[21:10] <linuxuz3r> Calinou, ok
[21:10] <bekks> linuxuz3r: If you dont like chrome, then you have to live with your old flash version.
[21:11] <streulma> anyone has thoughts over using linux on Mac?
[21:11] <Beldar> chromium will use the same flash as FF
[21:11] <Calinou> streulma, not that good to do
[21:11] <bekks> streulma: Whats the specific reason of your question?
[21:12] <bekks> Calinou: Thats how it is shipped.
[21:12] <streulma> I would install Ubuntu on Mac, because I don't want to change the Mac for PC, but I would run Ubuntu, because it's free and for the Mac stuff I have to pay
[21:12] <jevon> is there an extension for chrome that i can resize the tabs just like in opera?
[21:12] <Calinou> OS X updates are free as of 10.9 :P
[21:13] <streulma> Calinou: ALL updates from 10.9 ?
[21:13] <jevon>  that i have a thumbnail like preview of the content in the tab?
[21:13] <streulma> so 11.0 and 11.1 and 2 also?
[21:13] <bekks> streulma: Yes.
[21:14] <daftykins> streulma: 10.9 and potentially future releases will no longer cost - but likely they will slowly remove hardware support with future editions
[21:14] <streulma> daftykins: there is my point, I would run my PC longer :) so I must install Ubuntu
[21:14] <jevon> please let me know
[21:15] <bekks> jevon: Did you search the chrome addons yet?
[21:17] <jevon> yes, i tried "too many tabs" but it wasn't what i was looking for...
[21:22] <jevon> just like this: http://postimg.org/image/giwulljk9/
[21:22] <pedahzur> I am trying to do an 12.04 install via the mini.iso.  I get through the first part of setup OK (network, etc), but when I get to Load Installer Components, it just hangs on a purple screenn.  The log screen (ctrl-f4) shows it downloading three GPG keys, but then after that it just hangs, nothing in the logs, nothing on the installer screen. Ideas?  I'm at a loss here.
[21:23] <Steve132> Can someone tell me how UEFI works?
[21:23] <Steve132> I have a new laptop that came with windows 8 on it, and I installed windows 8.1 on it with their update manager
[21:23] <Beldar> Steve132, Probably not with any real definitive, whats the issue?
[21:24] <Beldar> you loose the grub boot?
[21:24] <Steve132> I want to dual boot...  I know this means that I have to do one of 1) disable UEFI and disable secure boot 2) Disable secure boot but not UEFI 3) Install a linux flavor with a secure boot key,
[21:24] <Beldar> !uefi | Steve132
[21:24] <Steve132> And I was just hoping someone could enlighten me on which of those options is best
[21:25] <ResQue> where can i find grub.efi boot manager, i have a mac and need to install grub manually
[21:25] <ResQue> i am looking just for the grub.efi file
[21:26] <Beldar> Steve132, Each manufacturer has there own tweaked version, this link may be helpful as well. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2147295  Back up the windows first.
[21:26] <hitsujiTMO> ResQue: use grub-install
[21:27] <ResQue> hitsujiTMO: i would prefer to do this manualy, could you please tell me where the file is location or how i could find it
[21:28] <hitsujiTMO> Steve132: simply install ubuntu away. you can safely install ubuntu with secure boot enabled. the only issue that i notice with uefi is that if any OS updates the kernel or bootloader it will update the efi boot manager, which sets then itself as the default OS. so you generally need to select the OS from the uefi boot menu
[21:28] <Steve132> So ubuntu detects secure boot and works and configures itself?
[21:28] <hitsujiTMO> ResQue: you can't do it manually. it needs to have entries pertaining to as to where grub actually is
[21:28] <hitsujiTMO> Steve132: yup
[21:29] <Beldar> Steve132, On a good day hopefully.
[21:29] <Steve132> ok
[21:29] <Steve132> is that recommended?
[21:29] <Steve132> like, does it cause any bugs in either system to do it that way?
[21:30] <hitsujiTMO> Steve132: yeah, some peeps seem to have issues booting oem copies of windows with secure boot disabled so its best to keep it enabled
[21:30] <ResQue> hitsujiTMO: grub-install would run a lot of unnessary  commands, some of which try to access nvram which in the past has been known to damage macs.
[21:30] <Steve132> ok
[21:30] <Steve132> I'll try it
[21:30] <Steve132> also, I wanted to try mint.  I know mint is based on ubuntu...is mint likely to have the same support built in?
[21:30] <ResQue> hitsujiTMO: "cant do it manually" i dont  understand isnt the very point of a efi file is that you can just select and boot from it
[21:30] <Beldar> Steve132, Make sure you have made a recovery cd or usb from W8.1 and back it up.
[21:31] <Steve132> It's a brand-new laptop, so I don't care if I lose everything
[21:31] <Beldar> Steve132, Problem with that is its gpt, you can run into problems be prepared.
[21:31] <streulma> Steve132: I make a recovery disk from Win 8 on USB, then did from Linux a DD to the NAS
[21:32] <hitsujiTMO> ResQue: the efi file needs to be patched such that it points to exactly where grub is.
[21:32] <Steve132> Beldar: I don't understand..what do you mean?
[21:32] <Beldar> Steve132, gpt is a different partition type which includes the partition table.
[21:32] <Steve132> right, I get that
[21:33] <Steve132> but I'm not sure I understand what that has to do with the backup media
[21:33] <streulma> guys, how more I read here about Ubuntu, how more it is time to run Linux on my Mac :p
[21:33] <streulma> I have to devide the hdd
[21:34] <Beldar> Steve132, Your choice I just see almost daily people not backing this up and or making a recovery which is tiny and having problems is all, this is like when you drive your car you wear a seatbelt.
[21:34] <hitsujiTMO> ResQue: this means that for ANY changes to grub, it will have to run grub-install anyway. I also sincerely doubt grub-install damages a mac
[21:34] <Beldar> cover your booty in other words
[21:34] <Steve132> What I'm saying is that I don't understand what risk I'm taking.   You are saying there is a risk of data loss or something, but I have no data to lose.  What's the problem?
[21:35] <Steve132> Then you said that I'll lose my gpt table or something, but I don't get that either.
[21:35] <hitsujiTMO> ResQue: also the file you are reffering to is called: grubx64.efi
[21:36] <Beldar> Steve132, I did not say you would loose it, I just stated you have one. Lets say you had to return this computer, you might want the ability to have it be stock, lets say soemthing goes wrong and returning back to stock is the best option. Anyway do what you want.
[21:37] <mrproper> Whenever I try to boot Ubuntu 12.04 on my server (netboot) it looks to download the package list and then stops, does nothing. The debug console says it had finished checking certificates. Any suggestions?
[21:39] <hassen> doh,now flash player keeps crashing in ustream and youtube
[21:39] <Beldar> hassen, In firefox?
[21:39] <hassen> Beldar, yes
[21:39] <hassen> Beldar, and when i get that allow/deny hardware menu,it freezes
[21:40] <Beldar> hassen, Adobe does not support linux, so the flash version is a bit older than one can get in Windows or that chrome provides, it is unstable basically.
[21:40] <Steve132> Beldar: Ah, ok.  I get what you mean.  I do have recovery media for factory settings, thanks
 Steve132, Problem with that is its gpt, you can run into problems be prepared.
[21:40] <Steve132> came with the laptop in the box
[21:40] <Calinou> GPT isn't the problem, UEFI is
[21:41] <Calinou> installing linux in GPT is no problem these days
[21:41] <Calinou> as of 2011 windows is always preinstalled in UEFI though
[21:41] <Calinou> but you _can_ boot in BIOS mode with GPT partition table!
[21:41] <hassen> Beldar, i see..is chrome better then?download it?
[21:42] <Beldar> Calinou, gpt is not a problem if the user knows what they are doing, part of the problem with uefi is that the manufacturers have their own versions.
[21:42] <Beldar> hassen, Some think so I don't use it myself.
[21:43] <hassen> whatever..i see
[21:43] <hitsujiTMO> ResQue: if you must know thought, the .efi file os generated from the correct module in /boot/grub/x86_64-efi/ afaik
[21:43] <hitsujiTMO> s/os/is
[21:43] <hassen> even in browser-based MMO the graphism in win7 seems 3D-accelerated ,while in linux,it seemed like there is any sort of 3D acceleration
[21:44] <hassen> same tested MMO: tankionline.com
[21:44] <Beldar> hassen, Freezes I would check the OS using htop as well, could be swapping or the chip is maxed out, or other issues.
[21:44] <syeekick> Where multiplayer is available, it can only be played between similar platforms: Windows VS Windows, Linux VS Linux.   regarding cross platforms games is this true? worms reloaded in question
[21:44] <wiciu> join #cyanogenmod
[21:45] <Calinou> syeekick, it depends, but cross platform is almost always possible
[21:45] <Danato> hitsujiTMO: is he asking me to install ubuntu 14.04 as a.... third boot?
[21:45] <Beldar> wiciu, /join
[21:45] <Danato> hitsujiTMO: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1250051
[21:45] <Danato> hitsujiTMO: last comment
[21:46] <hitsujiTMO> Danato: hes asking to just boot the iso and see if the issue exists on the iso
[21:46] <Danato> hitsujiTMO: aah right
[21:47] <hitsujiTMO> Danato: just boot as a live cd. I presume he's trying to figure out whewre the issues stems from. was it an issue in the mainline kernel pre 3.13 or was it caused by an ubuntu patch
[21:48] <Danato> hitsujiTMO: got it, ill try to find an usb around
[21:49] <somersett> daftykins: I set auth to open, and added a folder
[21:50] <wiciu> hey guys! I open irc client after roughly 10years, I need some professional advise concerning privacy and what happened with my win8. I dunno if I could try to find out the reason of what happened. Is there some specialist of privacy online? I got obsessed by the fact that I was spied. Now I switched to Ubuntu and I feel it better. Much better.
[21:51] <wiciu> I know that I won't get any help in the small town I live now :P
[21:54] <wiciu> If the only way to start your ubuntu is to reset BIOS I guess it's not friendly marketing practice...
[21:55] <ActionParsnip> Wiciu: its not like that. Where did you get that idea from?
[21:55] <Beldar> wiciu, Not really a support issue, if you go on the web you have no privacy, privacy is a myth so don't go full OCD on it. ;)
[21:56] <ActionParsnip> Wiciu: windows8 is not supported here.
[21:56] <wiciu> yeah but now I would like to manage my switch to Ubu
[21:58] <Beldar> wiciu, go to settings privacy and clear it and turn off the save.
[21:58] <eddwan> hi there
[21:58] <ActionParsnip> Wiciu: you can also change what is logged etc.
[22:01] <hassen> !sudo -i
[22:01] <hassen> !sudo
[22:02] <Beldar> hassen, be careful rooting the terminal it is rarely needed, just use sudo
[22:02] <hassen> wow..that funny ubottu bot..
[22:02] <hassen> Beldar, yes,sure thing.
[22:02] <ActionParsnip> hassen: she is useful
[22:02] <hassen> ActionParsnip, indeed.
[22:02] <Beldar> many are used to doing it from other distros like debian is all
[22:03] <hassen> Beldar, read haphazardly in an article that sudo -i affers using root with the current username's pass
[22:03] <hassen> wanted to try anyway
[22:03] <hassen> *offers6
[22:03] <Beldar> hassen, Cool.
[22:04] <ilmen_> Hello
[22:04] <Beldar> wiciu, Do you use social media like facebook....etc
[22:05] <wiciu> yeah I know that. I've changed recently all my important passwords and I created kind of matrix to memorize all different passwords :)
[22:06] <oal> How can I run "adduser" without it asking me for Full name etc? Basically run the command and add the user, without asking questions?
[22:06] <wiciu> I have no clue that someone tried to log in in my social accounts recently
[22:07] <Beldar> wiciu, Personally I use none of that for some privacy is all.
[22:07] <ActionParsnip> Oal: checked the man page, there may be a way to supress it, or just add the data at creation
[22:07] <wiciu> but what I feel is that windows wanted to collect a lot info about me
[22:07] <ActionParsnip> Wiciu: those 2 things are not linked
[22:08] <ilmen_> I'm trying to install Ubuntu 13.10 64bit on a laptop (along with Windows 8) via LiveUSB, but I couldn't use the "install alongside Windows 8" option because it throws an error telling it's not able to unmount some drive; so I'm trying to figure out how to properly use the custom partitioning mode
[22:08] <adamu> ls
[22:08] <adamu> oops hello
[22:09] <Beldar> windows, google creditors, addware, creditors, nsa take your pick that is just a few
[22:09] <ActionParsnip> Ilmen_: resize your NTFS in Windows and run a chkdsk too, make sure the partition is consistant
[22:09] <adamu> Beldar, Of what?
[22:09] <wiciu> ActionParsnip: yeah I know I got obsessed too much recently but is it normal that your BIOS become upgraded to make boot win8 and anly win8 all the time?
[22:09] <Beldar> adamu, org collecting info
[22:09] <Beldar> orgs
[22:09] <ilmen_> I created from Win8 a FAT32 partition of 30GB for Ubuntu and a 4.20 GB one for the swap
[22:10] <ActionParsnip> Wiciu: no it is set how it is at manufacture. Upgrading a bios is a bit more complex than running windows updates
[22:10] <wiciu> , I needed to reset CMOS to boot my Ubuntu from another disk
[22:10] <Beldar> adamu, I believe you just signed on you have missed the whole conversation.
[22:10] <ActionParsnip> Ilmen_: fat32 is not suitable for Linux
[22:11] <adamu> Beldar, Yeah.. too bad I missed it
[22:11] <ActionParsnip> Ilen_delete the fat32 partition and leave the space free, then install to that
[22:11] <ActionParsnip> Ilmen_: also delete the other one for swap
[22:12] <ilmen_> (respectively sda6 and sda7);   I guess I have to select sda6 for "Drive where the startup program will be installed", right?
[22:12] <ilmen_> Hmm
[22:12] <wiciu> OK! Anyway it was like this that my win8 updated to win 8 'Pro' - yep it was written like this, that was a server version and all that process of upgrade was not really approved by user- I mean, me
[22:14] <ilmen_> And I want to have Ubuntu booting in  EFI mode; should I do something now for this purpose or wait having Ubuntu installed first?
[22:18] <wiciu> ActionParsnip, Now I use Ubu ntu that is the server too but it was my choice
[22:19] <adamu> bye!
[22:20] <ilmen_> Well, I can format my sd6 and giving it a mount point; would deleting it and installing in the freed space be really better?
[22:20] <wiciu> ActionParsnip: I would like to get some practical advices how to manage it now. I see that I have 32bit version, my PC is pretty modern the performance wouldn't be better on x64?
[22:22] <wiciu> what about the NTSF file system? If I don't want to use windows for multimedia is it rational to keep it? Should I format my disk to ext4 better?
[22:22] <hassen> sorry for reposting: how to execute .deb files in the terminal?
[22:23] <somersett> "sudo dpkg -i [package name]" to install
[22:23] <Beldar> hassen, Before doing this you checked the repos for what your installing?
[22:23] <jhutchins> ilmen_: Generally grub should be installed to the device, not to a partition.
[22:23] <jhutchins> ilmen_: sda, not sda#
[22:23] <hassen> Beldar, google chrome browser
[22:23] <ilmen_> Is ext3 the best format for my ubuntu partition (30GB)?
[22:24] <hassen> somersett, i see,thanks.
[22:24] <bekks> ilmen_: use ext4
[22:24] <wiciu> I have also 64GB SD disk inside my PC would't be better to use it as / for Ubu?
[22:24] <ilmen_> Beldar: yeah, but I don't want my preinstalled windows 8 to be deleted
[22:24] <Beldar> hassen, It will install from the software center, I use gdebi personally.
[22:24] <jhutchins> wiciu: I would reformat the ntfs to ext - permissions and ownership will be more consistent through the system.
[22:24] <Beldar> ilmen_, why are you telling me?
[22:24] <bekks> wiciu: for dualboot, it is vital to not format your windows partitions.
[22:24] <hassen> Beldar, yes,but i got enought of move/click mouse :)
[22:25] <hassen> time to dive in terminal command line world
[22:25] <hassen> so we use the 'sudo' to install stuff in the system?
[22:25] <hassen> is the root the only one who can install and add softwares?
[22:25] <bekks> hassen: we use dpkg, and it requires sudo
[22:26] <hassen> yeah the sudo
[22:26] <hassen> even sudo bash blah.run
[22:26] <hassen> sudo is always present
[22:26] <hassen> no?
[22:26] <bekks> No.
[22:27] <Beldar> ilmen_, I would be backing up the W8 and have the recovery cd/usb generated to start with.
[22:27] <bekks> Installing software like sudo bash blah.run might break your box - dont do it.
[22:27] <somersett> Has anyone ever experience extremely slow network copy speeds? Like 0.03MB/sec?
[22:27] <hassen> bekks, why?
[22:28] <bekks> hassen: because blah.run might break your system.
[22:28] <jhutchins> Beldar: Be aware that a factory recovery image is likely to destroy the ubuntu installation rather than restore to a selected partition.
[22:28] <hassen> bekks, e.g i tried to install my ATI gpu prioritary driver with ati*.run file
[22:29] <Beldar> jhutchins, and?
[22:29] <bekks> hassen: that will break with every kernel update
[22:29] <jhutchins> Beldar: Also, an NTFS data partition is useful for sharing files between the Windows and Linux environments.
[22:29] <ilmen_> I guess that making a backup with a tool like Macrium would be wiser
[22:29] <Beldar> jhutchins, I did not tell anyone to use a factory recovery
[22:30] <hassen> bekks, :o
[22:30] <jhutchins> Beldar: I seem to have gotten the wrong nick here.
[22:30] <Beldar> jhutchins, I think you are a bit mixed up I have not addressed a shred ntfs as well.
[22:30] <Beldar> ;)
[22:30] <jhutchins> Beldar: Got you mixed up with ilmen
[22:31] <hassen> seems like windows is getting bugs/errors/viruses from such stuff...
[22:31] <hassen> unlike linux
[22:31] <Beldar> hassen, Started on open source, and used windows of and on last 5 years, never had an infection in any.
[22:32] <bekks> hassen: linux still might break
[22:33] <Beldar> any OS can be compromised if you are careless hassen
[22:33] <hassen> reasonable
[22:36] <wiciu> I don't play games. Just the reason to keep Win8 would be for me graphic and video editing software. Maybe there are some substitutions for that on Linux now? I was not using Ubu fro ~5 years. Can you recommend my some good video software, this is what I would like to work with. I am able to pay but also I don't need too professional stuff.
[22:36] <Beldar> ilmen_, Macrium is a good tool, W8 has no mbr and this app does not save the mbr.
[22:37]  * hassen is testing the chrome's flash plugin in a 3D MMO
[22:40] <Calinou> wiciu, openshot, kdenline, lightworks (currently in beta), gimp, krita
[22:40] <Calinou> the last two are for image editing/creating
[22:40] <Calinou> the 3 first ones are video editing
[22:41] <Daekdroom> !12.04
[22:42] <PDilyard> i have a shell script that i want to run on a server that i have ssh access to. how can i start the script via ssh, but then leave it running when i quit the session?
[22:42] <ActionParsnip> Hassen: windows is the same, the run as admin nag thing, no different
[22:42] <wiciu> Calinou, thanks!
[22:43] <ActionParsnip> hassen: your user is a user, not root. You are sinply a member of the 'sudo' group which is allowed to run commands as root using the sudo command (and gksudo for GUI apps)
[22:45] <ActionParsnip> Pdilyard: use scp to copy the script over. You can then run: ssh user@server "/path/to/file" and it will run, outputs will be shown in your terminal
[22:46] <wiciu> I remember that reading/writing NTSF on Linux was an issue before. How is it know? There is no difference if I store my music or videos on NTSF or ext partition?
[22:46] <PDilyard> ActionParsnip, thanks!
[22:46] <bekks> wiciu: ntfs, not ntsf
[22:47] <ActionParsnip> Pdilyard: this feature allows easy managability of many servers
[22:47] <ActionParsnip> Pdilyard: as you can image, bash loop of server names with the command to run on them all
[22:48] <wiciu> bekks, system file,  file system, we say in Polish- 'one dog' ;)
[22:48] <i3luefire> best method for xferring large amounts of data from ubuntu to freenas
[22:48] <jmgk> hmm
[22:48] <i3luefire> ?
[22:49] <wiciu> bekks, no, OK file system sounds better
[22:50] <Xeronix> Hey guys, I'm having trouble installing Ubuntu Server. My keyboard is not being recognized once the installation wizard begins (the very first step - selecting language)
[22:51] <pero> i have really high load, and i/o operations bring the system to a standstill, with almost nothing running - and the issue came out of nowere yesterday
[22:52] <Beldar> Xeronix, If needed there is #ubuntu-server
[22:52] <gabe_> hi
[22:53] <Danato> how do i format a bootable usb?
[22:53] <Beldar> Danato, fat32
[22:54] <Danato> Beldar: yes
[22:54] <Beldar> Danato, Than use  a usb loader app, there are handfulls
[22:54] <gabe_> hello
[22:54] <gabe_> Im new to this xchat can you chat in differnt servers
[22:55] <Danato> Beldar: anything that comes pre-installed?
[22:55] <gabe_> how do I join other channels
[22:55] <Beldar> Danato, USB?
[22:55] <Beldar> gabe_, /join "channel"
[22:56] <gabe_> where can I search for other channels
[22:56] <Beldar> !alis | gabe_
[22:56] <gabe_> yes
[22:56] <CyberGabber> gabe_: http://searchirc.com/
[22:56] <Danato> Beldar: a usb loader app to format a bootable usb
[22:56] <gabe_> ok thanks
[22:57] <Beldar> Danato, Are you doing this in ubuntu?
[22:57] <Danato> Beldar: yeah
[22:58] <Beldar> Danato, I'm kinda fond of this one you can load multiple ISO, format the usb in gparted though. http://www.pendrivelinux.com/multiboot-create-a-multiboot-usb-from-linux/
[22:59] <gabe_> this is a nice channel
[22:59] <Danato> Beldar: I should have thought about gparted, thanks :)
[22:59] <Beldar> Danato, I have a 16 gig usb with a bunch of linux and a W8.1 iso on it.
[22:59] <SonikkuAmerica> Danato: Yes, GParted is probably the best tool
[23:00] <SonikkuAmerica> Danato: Also, if you're preparing a Live USB drive, format it to the FAT32 standard.
[23:00] <Beldar> including supergrub hehe
[23:00] <Ika> hey
[23:00] <Jay_R> Have any of you had issues with dedicated graphics card that aren't recognized after your box times out?
[23:01] <bekks> Jay_R: What do you mean by "box times out"?
[23:01] <Jay_R> Goes to sleep.
[23:01] <Beldar> Jay_R, Name the card and the issues in detail for help to the channel.
[23:01] <Jay_R> Like you log out.
[23:01] <Danato> SonikkuAmerica: I know, I already have it formated and made it bootable, but now i jst need it back to a normal flash drive
[23:01] <SonikkuAmerica> Danato: OK then, if you want to use it on Windows, use NTFS
[23:02] <SonikkuAmerica> Danato: Otherwise, use ext3 or ext4
[23:02] <SonikkuAmerica> (the latter is preferable)
[23:02] <Ika> anyone got an idea why my laptop wont boot anymore? all i did was upgrade from 11.04 to 13.10?
[23:02] <Jay_R> Card is an NVIDIA GeForce 660 TI.
[23:02] <Beldar> Ika, Through all the releases between?
[23:02] <SonikkuAmerica> =j ##usb
[23:03] <Ika> nope just booted 13.10 through usb and used the upgrade feature in the installation
[23:03] <Jay_R> So... Sometimes when I walk away from my box and it monitor goes to sleep, I'll come back to a display setting of 800x600.
[23:03] <Calinou> Jay_R, suspend using proprietary drivers is unreliable
[23:03] <Calinou> don't use it
[23:03] <Beldar> Ika, Or a fresh install?
[23:03] <DRice7> Can someone help me with my Xorg starting problem? Issue is at the bottom of: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6501600/
[23:03] <Jay_R> Calinou, noted. So screensaver is a better option then?
[23:04] <Ika> Beldar, i booted 13.10 through usb stick after using the disk creator tool then chose upgrade when the option came up
[23:04] <Jay_R> If I unplug the monitor and plug it back in, it goes back to normal.
[23:04] <Calinou> Jay_R,  screensaver is useless
[23:05] <Calinou> just use something that shuts down screen
[23:05] <Beldar> Ika, Not sure if that was designed to go from a eol or anything but the previous release. What is the no boot symptoms?
[23:05] <SonikkuAmerica> DRice7: Are you using a proprietary driver?
[23:05] <DRice7> SonikkuAmerica, I just installed this driver from ASRock - because the ast module was not being found
[23:06] <Ika> Beldar, now when i boot up my laptop it comes up with a page similar to the windows one after a bad shutdown (eg. start normal, start safe mode) but linux 2.6 etc
[23:06] <YellowGTO> Hey guys I installed xfce and now I have an error when trying to use software center
[23:06] <Ika> Beldar, after i select the top option a small line blips in the top left corner of the screen for a while then it shuts off the whole laptop
[23:07] <TmvC> http://www.pixtr.org/image/195.html hahaha f kids
[23:07] <YellowGTO> Software cant be installed or removed because the authentication service is not available
[23:07] <DRice7> Ika, sounds lke you need to toss 'nomodeset' into grub before you boot
[23:07] <Beldar> Ika, Not sure what that would be, if it were me I would would boot the usb pull what you need and do a fresh install. Trying to fix that may not be easy if at all and would you know if really fixed in the end.
[23:08] <DRice7> Ika, I've been researching the same problem all day.
[23:08] <Beldar> Ika, depends on what you want in the end.
[23:08] <Ika> Beldar, well i've tried rebooting from the same usb stick and it skips it in the boot list saying that it isn't there, same with CD Roms
[23:08] <DRice7> If you google: 'nvidia blank screen', you should find what you need
[23:09] <Ika> DRice7, i was never really good at cmd lines :S
[23:09] <DRice7> Ika, real easy step by step guides
[23:09] <Ika> DRice7, was that "no"modeset or "nc"?
[23:09] <Beldar> Ika, You aware of the per-session boot menu? Hard to tell what really happened so far with your description is all.
[23:09] <DRice7> nomodeset
[23:10] <Ika> the o merges with the m so i couldnt tell :3
[23:10] <Beldar> !nomodeset | Ika
[23:11] <DRice7> SonikkuAmerica, I need to go cook dinner apparently - PM me if you have any thoughts
[23:11] <YellowGTO> Any ideas?
[23:12] <Beldar> YellowGTO, You in the install account?
[23:12] <YellowGTO> account?
[23:12] <YellowGTO> Sorry im pretty new
[23:12] <Beldar> YellowGTO, keeo the issue with all posts.
[23:13] <Beldar> YellowGTO, You have a account that was made when you installed it is an admin are you in it?
[23:13] <Ika> DRice7, is this for nvidia cards only? i believe i have AMD
[23:13] <YellowGTO> Yeah Beldar
[23:13] <Calinou> nomodeset works everywhere, Ika
[23:14] <Beldar> YellowGTO, Try a update sudo apt-get update
[23:14] <Ika> ok thanks Calinou, i shall try and be back in a bit
[23:14] <wiciu> any help abut if ntfs/ex4 does make a difference for reading the media files?
[23:15] <xangua> wiciu: please elaborate
[23:15] <YellowGTO> I tried that Beldar
[23:16] <Beldar> YellowGTO, and what happens running it with a sudo apt-get upgrade pastebinned would be helpful here.
[23:16] <mvhenten> Hi, I have a working postfix setup I can connect to from the machine (telnet localhost 25) however, the same trick is not working from remote (home).
[23:16] <mvhenten> I've opened port 25 AFAIK using iptables
[23:16] <mvhenten> but nmap still lists it as "fitered"
[23:17] <mvhenten> I've had trouble setting this up since it's a VPS and I cannot use UFW at all, so down to iptables and mucking about in the mu
[23:17] <mvhenten> mud
[23:17] <Guiri> I'm having trouble with a new Gateway LT netbook.  I am trying to boot to USB, but the netbook doesn't recognize any bootable media (except windows boot manager which leads to windows 8)
[23:17] <YellowGTO> 1 second ill paste it up
[23:17] <Beldar> !pastebin | YellowGTO
[23:17] <mvhenten> any pointers where I should be prodding around?
[23:18] <Beldar> mvhenten, keep the posts all in one to have a concise read for us.
[23:18] <Ika> i tried the nomodeset but it said the command wasnt found
[23:18] <Beldar> Ika, when and where?
[23:19] <Guiri> Anyone want to help me out with setting up Ubuntu on this netbook
[23:19] <Ika> when the grub menu opened it said press c to open cmd line, so i did then i typed in nomodeset
[23:19] <Beldar> !anyone | Guiri
[23:19] <wiciu> I switched from Win8 tu Ubu 12.04 LTS . Now I recognize that I don't need Win so much to live. I have one big partition of my PC with NTFS would it be beneficial to format it to ext file system?
[23:19] <mvhenten> ok sorry. so I can connect smtp from localhost, not from remote, I have tried to enable port 25 trough iptables but it still is "filtered" according to nmap...
[23:19] <Guiri> Beldar I already asked my question and no one responded
[23:19] <Beldar> Ika, you would use e edit read the link.
[23:19] <Ika> ah ok
[23:19] <jevon> !details
[23:19] <Ika> sorry i skim read and didnt see it
[23:20] <Beldar> !uefi | Guiri
[23:20] <jmgk_> lol Billymays
[23:20] <jmgk_> DarkAce-Z:
[23:20] <jmgk_> :P
[23:20] <Guiri> Well this chat is clearly useless
[23:21] <Beldar> hehe of well
[23:21] <jevon> lol
[23:21] <Beldar> oh*
[23:22] <Beldar> 10 min and gives up
[23:23] <koyetsu> can anyone give me an assist on setting up a linux live dvd pxe? i have my ubuntu server installer working but i'm not sure how to setup the live dvd. it isn't ubuntu but i hope it's not too far off for someone to assist
[23:24] <mvhenten> sooo anyone have an idea where I should start looking to enable smtp from the outside? I cannot use UFW it's a virtuozzo vps. I'd really like some email tho.
[23:26] <arpad2> I tried to install  Bumblebee from wiki.ubuntu.com/Bumblebee, but after following the instructions the 'optirun opera' gave me an error message http://paste.ubuntu.com/6501697  where can be an user added to the 'bumblebee' group?
[23:27] <hitsujiTMO> arpad2: did you add yourself to the bumblebee group?
[23:28] <arpad2> hitsujiTMO>: no, I couldn't find where it is
[23:29] <hitsujiTMO> arpad2: type this EXACTLY: sudo usermod -aG bumblebee `whoami`
[23:29] <hitsujiTMO> arpad2: once that's done you need to relog to be part of the group
[23:30] <mvhenten> ok a more pragmatic question: I see /etc/firewall.conf and I have removed ufw. I assume I can safely remove :ufw rules there right?
[23:30] <arpad2> the thing is now I am not logged in with the user who has sudo priviledges
[23:31] <Beldar> koyetsu, This is ubuntu support you might try ##linux
[23:31] <Beldar> or the actual distros channel
[23:31] <hitsujiTMO> arpad2: then log in with the user that has sudo proviledges and type: sudo usermod -aG bumblebee <user>                   replacing <user> with the user that you want to give bumblebee access to
[23:32] <silver073000> !help
[23:32] <koyetsu> i was just hoping someone could point me in the right direction....i tried the distro's chan 80 ppl no response
 thank you
[23:32] <zykotick9> hitsujiTMO: i think using "sudo adduser USERNAME GROUP" is MUCH safer suggestion then usermod - prevents the, "why am i only in one group now?"  ;)
[23:32] <hitsujiTMO> zykotick9: cool, will note that
[23:33] <Ika> nomodeset didnt work
[23:34] <bodom> Hi there. I've made some customiziations to my initrd's "init" script. What is the correct place to put them so that they will not get overwritten by update-initrd?
 should I make a reboot after?
[23:36] <_dan_> hi, any way to install openjdk-7-jre on old version of ubuntu (9.04)?
[23:36] <hitsujiTMO> arpad2: no, just logging into the users account AFTER the change has been made is enough
[23:36] <zykotick9> arpad2: just logout and back in (to apply new group memebership)
[23:37] <arpad2> thank you
[23:37] <xangua> _dan_: please upgrade to a supported ubuntu distro
[23:37] <hitsujiTMO> _dan_: end of line versions are not supported here. best to upgrade
[23:37] <_dan_> i am a bit worried if i upgrade i will not be able to connect to it anymore
[23:38] <YellowGTO> Beldar, digging in the logs I found 2 crash reports
[23:38] <hitsujiTMO> _dan_: is this a server?
[23:38] <_dan_> yeah
[23:38] <YellowGTO> paste.ubuntu.com/6501745
[23:38] <Balzy> Hello! I'm currently installing root on my kubuntu machine and I have a little doubt about the following line:    (g)make        [or, make -j n, for n core machines].
[23:38] <hitsujiTMO> _dan_: so you are aware that you have been running a server with a insecure version of ubuntu for at least 2 years?
[23:39] <YellowGTO> And http://paste.ubuntu.com/6501750
[23:39] <Balzy> My computer is a Intel core i3 so  I think the core number is 4, is that right?
[23:39] <_dan_> yep
[23:39] <Calinou> Balzy, that's 4 THREADS not cores
[23:39] <Calinou> i3s have hyperthreading, which doubles the number of threads available
[23:39] <Calinou> (it is enabled by default)
[23:39] <Calinou> so yes, you should use make -j4
[23:39] <bitbagel> I had a boyfriend named Ubuntu once.  He would "play the bongos" on my ass.
[23:39] <Calinou> the number of threads matters
[23:39] <bitbagel> I had a boyfriend named Ubuntu once.  He would "play the bongos" on my ass.
[23:39] <FloodBot1> bitbagel: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:40] <hitsujiTMO> _dan_: best thing to do is backup what you can and then begin the upgrade process.
[23:40] <Balzy> Calinou yeah that was my doubt, what is exactly the number I should use?
[23:40] <bitbagel> I had a boyfriend named Ubuntu once.  He would "play the bongos" on my assssss.
[23:40] <bitbagel> I had a boyfriend named Ubuntu once.  He would "play the bongos" on my ass.
[23:40] <xangua> !ops | bitbagel
[23:40] <Balzy> okay 4
[23:40] <Balzy> thanks
[23:40] <Calinou> Balzy, 4
 now it started the program, is it using now the videocard?
[23:41] <_dan_> alright, i will try to upgrade...
[23:41] <_dan_> what is the command to start it?
[23:41] <Balzy> Calinou so if a program or whatelse asks me the number of cores I should always refer to the number of threads that is 4?
[23:42] <hitsujiTMO> arpad2: it should be. best thing to do is to run glxgears ( or similar app ), then run glxgears throu optirun and see if there's a difference. that should show if its working or not
[23:42] <Calinou> Balzy, yes
[23:42] <zykotick9> _dan_: be aware you'd have to upgrade 9.04->9.10->10.04->12.04 at least... fresh install would probably be easier...
[23:42] <hitsujiTMO> !eol | _dan_ all info should be here. eol upgrades are a little more involved afaik
 ok, here glxgears not installed
[23:43] <Balzy> Calinou while the physical cores are only 2?
[23:43] <Beldar> YellowGTO, seems the software center is having some problem, I'm not really able to see what exactly, however just seeing if you can use apt-get as I asked would be a good start. YOu can start the software center from the command line will give better errors.
[23:43] <YellowGTO> I can use apt-get
[23:43] <hitsujiTMO> arpad2: i think its part of mesautils
[23:43] <Calinou> Balzy, yes, there are 2 physical cores on an i3
[23:43] <zykotick9> arpad2: btw it's in the mesa-utils package
[23:43] <YellowGTO> It show I found out I had this issue actually
[23:44] <bekks> Balzy: 2 physical cores supporting hyperthreading result in four logical cores.
[23:44] <Beldar> YellowGTO, always use nicks here, run software-center
[23:45] <Balzy> Calinou okay! Thank you very much, now I understand what lscpu was telling me
[23:45] <hitsujiTMO> Balzy: a program should not be asking you how many cores you have ... unless its virtualisation software and its asking you how many cores you want to use on a guest
[23:45] <Calinou> np
 ok
[23:45] <Calinou> hitsujiTMO, it can ask you.
[23:45] <Calinou> yes, it can
[23:45] <Calinou> a decent amount of programs do that
[23:45] <Calinou> compilers, some game stuff...
[23:45] <zykotick9> hitsujiTMO: it's the -j for compiling...
[23:45] <hitsujiTMO> Calinou: really? when it can just check itself?
[23:45] <Balzy> hitsujiTMO I'm installing Root and I'm following cern instructions
[23:46] <Balzy> hitsujiTMO   (g)make                 [or, make -j n, for n core machines]
[23:46] <YellowGTO> I need to add a key manually to my sources because apt-get update wont work
[23:46] <YellowGTO> So i opened up sources and discovered this error
[23:46] <hitsujiTMO> ahh yeah, thats same thing, its asking for how many cores you want to use. not have
[23:47] <Calinou> hitsujiTMO, it is not always done, because it is not trivial
[23:47] <Balzy> hitsujiTMO since my computer has a multicore processor I think I should provide the cores number
[23:47] <xangua> !gpgerr | YellowGTO
[23:47] <Beldar> YellowGTO, if you need a key you can use sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys "key here"
[23:48] <zykotick9> YellowGTO: i assume you added a PPA manually?  BTW, if you use ppa-add-repository (<- or very similar), it will automatically add the keys for you
[23:48] <Balzy> Calinou, hitsujiTMO, what number shall I use? 4 or perhaps a small one?
[23:48] <Calinou> 4
[23:48] <zykotick9> Balzy: fyi, it doesn't really matter...
[23:48] <Calinou> unless you want to do something CPU intensive at the same time
[23:48] <hitsujiTMO> Balzy: 4 if you want it to be as fast as possible
[23:49] <Balzy> okay thanks! I think I'm going with 4, since sometimes I have to run intensive stuff
[23:50] <_dan_> i am a bit confused by that page... how exactly do i run the do-release-upgrade?
[23:50] <_dan_> with no args it just tells me it can't do it
[23:50] <hitsujiTMO> _dan_ whats the exact error?
[23:50] <Beldar> _dan_, What release are you on?
[23:50] <hitsujiTMO> 9.04 Beldar
[23:51] <_dan_> An upgrade from 'jaunty' to 'lucid' is not supported with this tool.
[23:51] <Beldar> ah it wont work with that command then, needs a eol upgrade
[23:52] <Beldar> _dan_, You are better off with a fresh install, much faster and more likely to be a good install.
 optirun glsgears crashed
[23:52] <hitsujiTMO> _dan_: you must upgrade to 9.10 not 10.04
[23:52] <_dan_> not feasible - i only have access over ssh
[23:52] <arpad2> glxgears
[23:53] <hitsujiTMO> _dan_: your provider should have 12.04 templates and have some way of allowing you to reinstall
[23:54] <hitsujiTMO> arpad2: well the fact that its crashing prob means you're on the other gpu. but ... yeah ... should not crash... what gpu do you have?
 you mean which dedicated? thats nvidia gtx675mx
[23:55] <_dan_> yeah, my provider did not think that far ahead :)
[23:55] <hitsujiTMO> _dan_: then maybes its time to switch to a propper provider
[23:56] <_dan_> it is my own machine
[23:56] <_dan_> from a few year ago
[23:56] <hassen> reconnected
[23:57] <hitsujiTMO> _dan_: ahh so you're just renting shelfspace and a connection?
[23:58] <_dan_> no, it runs at my parents house actually
[23:58] <_dan_> who live very far away
[23:59] <_dan_> i am pretty sure if i hose the ssh connection noone there will be able to fix it
[23:59] <hitsujiTMO> arpad2: maybe try nvidia-prime instead of bumblebee. http://www.webupd8.org/2013/08/using-nvidia-graphics-drivers-with.html
[23:59] <mappum> my networking isn't working. eth0 shows up on ifconfig, but all it says all TX packets have been dropped
[23:59] <mappum> this is a new motherboard, maybe it's not compatible?
[23:59] <mappum> i've tested on server 13.10 and desktop 13.10
[23:59] <mappum> anything i should try?