[00:06] <ali1234> sorry i got distracted there
[00:06] <ali1234> i don't think i proposed any changes in the panel (yet)
[16:50] <ochosi> mr_pouit, micahg, bluesabre, knome: good news everyone, the wrapper3 branch (enabling gtk3 plugins to run in xfce-panel) was finally merged! http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-panel/log/
[16:50] <ochosi> so from now on we can at least say we ship the panel from git ;)
[16:51] <ochosi> but: gtk3 has to be enabled in our packages, it's not enabled by default
[16:51] <ochosi> ali1234: that might also interest you ^
[17:28] <brainwash> ali1234: lightdm vt fix applied and it works, no corruption
[17:28] <ochosi> brainwash: nice!
[17:28] <ochosi> very good to hear that
[17:28] <ochosi> so light-locker also works properly for you now?
[17:29] <brainwash> yes, but I still prefer a solution without vt switching :P
[17:29] <ochosi> phew, finally things are falling into place :)
[17:29] <brainwash> most users will like the new lock mechanic
[17:29] <brainwash> I think
[17:30] <ochosi> yeah, i hope so too
[17:30] <ochosi> it'll be more consistent, despite the VT-switching
[17:31] <brainwash> currently xfdesktop wait for xfwm4 to launch first and get ready, so the icons do pop up rather late, any thoughts on this?
[17:32] <ochosi> not sure, i mean there's always the question of what to load when...
[17:32] <ochosi> since things are more modular in xfce than in gnome, it's harder to do the perfect solution i think
[17:32] <ochosi> gotta get ready for dinner now, bbl
[17:33] <brainwash> ah right, we need to test all the components one by one too
[17:33] <brainwash> to see if they still work stand alone
[17:33] <brainwash> like replacing xfdesktop with nautilus
[17:34] <brainwash> or using another greeter
[17:52] <jjfrv8> ochosi, thanks for cleaning up the dokuwiki site
[17:54] <jjfrv8> ochosi, just wondering though, did you mean to delete the xfdestkop preferences section?
[17:55] <jjfrv8> clear
[17:56] <ali1234> ochosi: i don't like the VT switching. it makes my music stop playing when the screen saver starts
[18:22] <bluesabre> ^ that is the single most annoying part about light-locker
[19:01] <ochosi> actually it doesn't stop the music
[19:01] <ochosi> at least not here
[19:01] <ochosi> it just gives it a little hickup
[19:01] <ochosi> jjfrv8: oops, did i? i guess there were so many spam pages that i might've deleted one too many then...
[19:02] <ochosi> jjfrv8: will restore it unless you've already done so
[19:04] <jjfrv8> hey, ochosi. No I haven't restored it. I wasn't sure how you copied the stuff over from xfec.
[19:04] <jjfrv8> *xfce
[19:05] <ochosi> simple copy-paste from the source
[19:05] <ochosi> so it's an easy restore anyway
[19:05] <jjfrv8> ok. I'll try that.
[19:06] <ochosi> ok, cool
[19:06] <ochosi> if it doesn't work, lemme know and i'll handle it
[19:08] <jjfrv8> all better now :)
[19:13] <ochosi> cool
[19:13] <ochosi> :)
[19:21] <ochosi> ali1234, bluesabre: apart from the fact that my music/videos continue playing when light-locker starts, you can also disable time-based locking, solely use X11's screensaver and lock your session by hand
[19:22] <ochosi> usually when you have music playing, there's no need to lock your session, unless the thieve is in your house or you're in a library or public place that is very liberal wrt noise
[19:22] <ochosi> thief, i meant
[19:29] <jjfrv8> ochosi, i created a screenshot standardization document similar to the one I did for parole: http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=playground:sceenshot-stds-xfdesktop
[19:29] <jjfrv8> can you check it out and see if everything looks right?
[19:33] <ochosi> jjfrv8: perfect!
[19:33] <ochosi> that's exactly how it should look
[19:33] <ochosi> not sure you read that in the backlog, but i mentioned a short while ago, that we should add <note></note> for stuff that is new in 4.12
[19:33] <ochosi> so that the docs stay somewhat backward-compatible
[19:34] <ochosi> and ppl can easily see "what they miss"
[19:35] <ochosi> i don't know what the general plan is, i guess they will try to keep the docs working for 4.8, 4.10 and 4.12
[19:35] <jjfrv8> ochosi, yes, I did see that mention about the notes in the backlog so I'll keep it in mind.
[19:35] <ochosi> great
[19:35] <ochosi> but feel free to improve on the wording if you see room for it
[19:36] <ochosi> current docs aren't the wholy grail or something ;)
[19:36] <ochosi> s/wholy/holy/
[19:36] <jjfrv8> :)
[19:39] <ochosi> bluesabre: as a fellow user of plank, should we try to support docks like that by patching our default apps' desktop-files to have some quicklist-support? (i mean for those where it'd work easily, e.g. gmusicbrowser
[19:41] <ochosi> jjfrv8: just one note wrt the screenshot: i'd try to keep the size (in this case: the width) at a useful minimum
[19:41] <jjfrv8> I meant to ask you about that. I shrank it as far as it would go.
[19:42] <jjfrv8> it doesn't resize as small as the 4.10 version seems to.
[19:43] <bluesabre> ochosi, when the VT is switched it kills all audio
[19:44] <bluesabre> and yeah, giving some basic plank/unity support for some app might not be a bad idea :)
[19:44] <ochosi> jjfrv8: ah true, that is actually a problem of the not-visible tab with the wallpapers i guess... so not your fault but mine, sorry
[19:44] <ochosi> bluesabre: not here, gmusicbrowser or parole continue to play
[19:44] <ochosi> even youtube keeps roaring
[19:45] <bluesabre> really, when you are at the login/lock screen?
[19:45] <ochosi> yeah
[19:45] <bluesabre> hm
[19:45] <bluesabre> doesn't do that for me :D
[19:46] <ochosi> weird
[19:46] <ochosi> i wonder how my setup differs
[21:46] <brainwash> ochosi: stops for me, but that's the expected behavior
[21:49] <ochosi> interesting
[23:04] <knome> ochosi, cool
[23:39] <ochosi> ali1234: to pick that up from yesterday, so how did you imagine the panel presets to work exactly?
[23:39] <ali1234> i don't know. it depends on how the api for changing them looks
[23:39] <ochosi> one problem i see with how i understood your version of integrating it to the "add panel" button is the fact that e.g. gnome2 adds *2* panels
[23:40] <ochosi> so it'd actually not just add a new panel, but replace your current panels too to make sense
[23:50] <ochosi> ali1234: do you wanna give the ochosi/tabwin branch of xfwm4 some testing?