| James0r | got google earth working by building a package with googleearth-package but i'm getting this http error when searching for location. | 00:14 |
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| James0r | a post recommended renaming libcurl.so.4 but that didn't work | 00:14 |
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| James0r | anyone know a fix for this 'invalid http request' error when searching for a location in google earth 6.0.3? | 01:48 |
| brokerer | hi, somebody can tell me where is the amarok's source-code my system is kubuntu 13.10 | 02:44 |
| hololight | Two questions: When I open a magnet link for a torrent, it opens in ktorrent just fine and downloads; but in the notifications area it shows 'Examining' which never goes away (even after the download is finished) | 03:03 |
| rianav | ok. and? | 03:04 |
| hololight | That is normal behavior? | 03:04 |
| hololight | not 'finished' or anything.... | 03:05 |
| hololight | with a 'stop' or 'pause' button shown next to an empty progress bar | 03:05 |
| hololight | the second question has to do with virtuoso-t maxing out the cpu... I know it is needed for file indexing (which i like), anyway to make it behave itself? or is my only option to get rid of it | 03:06 |
| rianav | does this happen with other user accounts on the machine? | 03:07 |
| hololight | which? | 03:07 |
| rianav | sorry i mean the torrent issue. | 03:07 |
| hololight | dont know, single user; but if you have an idea I'll create another user | 03:08 |
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| sony1337 | hallo | 03:20 |
| brokerer | where is the amarok's source-code? my system is kubuntu 13.10 | 04:21 |
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| forgeaus | where? hmm good question kde repositories I guess... shouldn't be too hard to find it is an opensource project ... | 04:56 |
| jarkko_ | anyone installed crossover on kubuntu? | 05:43 |
| soundquest | HEY | 06:36 |
| MySystem | Hello i need some help to find out what happens to my kde and hopefully reverse the changes.Short system information:Kubuntu 13.10 with newest available kernel for amd64 and nvidia graphic running on nvidia driver(not the open source). What i've done: Was trying to get my DungeonKeeper2 to run with PlayOnLinux.The last try killed my kde, the only thing i saw was a big cursor(low resolution effect), the nice new blue dots in the left and right upper corn | 06:46 |
| MySystem | !pastebin | 06:47 |
| ubottu | For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. | 06:47 |
| MySystem | thx ubottu also was my idea after post | 06:48 |
| MySystem | sry for spam here the formated version http://paste.ubuntu.com/6502917/ | 06:53 |
| MySystem | ui and sry again writing this text took longer as expected its getting early here(germany) and need to go to bed but i will come back in 8-12h and then i will stay much longer. have a nice day/night, special thx and sry to those who read the text and thought about it but pls keep in mind if you have ideas | 07:09 |
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| Caleb-- | what's the deal with muon-updater? i fear it more than i fear the iranian nukes | 08:01 |
| Caleb-- | it's like a russian roulette. most of the time the updater hangs at some process and i end up having to shut it down | 08:01 |
| Caleb-- | and then manually remove locks on the dpkg database | 08:02 |
| Caleb-- | for example, i'm trying to update now and it's stuck on "Configuring update-notifier-common" | 08:02 |
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| valorie | Caleb--: have you filed/given your input on a muon-updater bug? | 08:12 |
| Caleb-- | no, i have no idea how to preciesely reproduce it, or what the underlying problem is | 08:13 |
| Caleb-- | (i'm a linux newbie, btw. running kubuntu on a VM) | 08:13 |
| valorie | that is a hard one, for sure | 08:13 |
| valorie | might be this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/muon/+bug/1245061 | 08:13 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 1245061 in muon (Ubuntu) "muon-updater stuck at Loading Software List" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 08:13 |
| valorie | would be good to add your input, then the devel can contact you to test fixes | 08:14 |
| Caleb-- | btw, i'm trying to make the fonts in KDE look a little more like they do on windows. i've played with the KDE Fonts settings dialog. any idea idea where these settings are stored? | 08:15 |
| Caleb-- | because i read about ~/.fonts.conf file that you can create, and i was wondering if that file wil override my KDE settings, or will just get ignored | 08:16 |
| valorie | hmmm | 08:16 |
| valorie | !fonts | 08:16 |
| ubottu | Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "ttf-mscorefonts-installer" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". For the official ubuntu font, see: http://font.ubuntu.com/ | 08:16 |
| valorie | might be of help | 08:16 |
| Caleb-- | i already installed the fonts | 08:16 |
| Caleb-- | http://superuser.com/questions/8824/bad-font-anti-aliasing-in-ubuntu?rq=1 | 08:16 |
| Caleb-- | look at the Ubuntu screenshot in that post | 08:16 |
| Caleb-- | it seems to me that the fonts in Ubuntu are a little "bolder" than the Windows ones. | 08:17 |
| valorie | gosh, it's been years since I had to mess with fonts at all | 08:18 |
| valorie | I use the ubuntu font for nearly everything, although that isn't the most loved in KDE-land | 08:19 |
| valorie | works for me in Kubuntu though | 08:19 |
| Caleb-- | ah | 08:20 |
| Caleb-- | i copied my windows fonts over | 08:20 |
| Caleb-- | Consolas is an awesome monospaced font | 08:21 |
| valorie | I don't see anywhere in the ~/.kde folder where font stuff would be | 08:22 |
| valorie | so your fonts.conf file will probably do the trick | 08:22 |
| Caleb-- | ok | 08:23 |
| Caleb-- | the Fonts dialog covers most options, except the "autohint" one | 08:23 |
| valorie | or in .config | 08:23 |
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| Tjaden | hola buenos dias | 10:06 |
| alket | Hi I am having a problem with Chrome and Ktorrent with magnet link, whenever I click a magnet link in Chrome the Ktorrent opens but download doesn't start and in System Notifications its always pending ? Thank you in advance ! | 10:16 |
| jarkko_ | why ufw is disabled by default?? | 11:25 |
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| frank1 | hallo | 12:09 |
| frank1 | hoe kan ik op mijn schermrand zien dat bv firefox is geminmalizeerd? | 12:09 |
| frank1 | had dir eerst wel blijkbaar iets fout gedaan | 12:10 |
| frank1 | dit | 12:10 |
| BluesKaj | Hi folks | 12:19 |
| MySystem | hi blueskaj | 12:19 |
| BluesKaj | hi MySystem | 12:20 |
| MySystem | and hello all the others i have a problem http://paste.ubuntu.com/6502917/ | 12:20 |
| BluesKaj | which nvidia card ? | 12:22 |
| MySystem | Geforce GTX 550 TI on nvidia driver version 304.108 | 12:23 |
| forgeaus | nvidia is a problem for me too I get nothing absoultely black during boot ... | 12:25 |
| BluesKaj | on13.10 ? | 12:25 |
| forgeaus | have to start in recovery mode... | 12:25 |
| BluesKaj | MySystem.^ | 12:25 |
| forgeaus | yes 13.10 | 12:25 |
| forgeaus | was working before dist upgrade | 12:25 |
| MySystem | also 13.10 thought i wrote it | 12:25 |
| forgeaus | fixed my boot issues with grub (went to grub2) but no ptolemy is it? no X (unless X runs but I just don't see it) | 12:26 |
| BluesKaj | MySystem. 13.10 as well ? | 12:26 |
| MySystem | yes blueskaj | 12:26 |
| forgeaus | if I run in recovery mode I can get into my kdesktop though | 12:26 |
| forgeaus | just have to log into a virtual terminal and startx;startkde | 12:26 |
| MySystem | forgeaus which driver the opensource or the one from nvidia | 12:27 |
| forgeaus | I used jokey-kde and it didn't matter | 12:27 |
| forgeaus | I tried both no difference once it changed unless the change didn't go through | 12:28 |
| forgeaus | but the selected one is different | 12:28 |
| forgeaus | so I'm assuming it worked | 12:28 |
| forgeaus | actually I don't think it did now, I'll try loading the restricted one again | 12:28 |
| BluesKaj | MySystem. latest proptietary driver should be the 3.19 | 12:28 |
| MySystem | whith my low experience i would try to uninstall and reinstall the driver and let it regenerate the xorg.conf (if it exists) but iam also here for help and not a pro | 12:29 |
| forgeaus | I don't even kow if its the driver that is the problem though | 12:29 |
| MySystem | ok thats interessting but can this cause all the kde settings loss? | 12:30 |
| MySystem | but i will download and try it elseway | 12:30 |
| forgeaus | I don't have a settings loss | 12:30 |
| BluesKaj | in kmenu>apps>system>additional drivers , there should be some choices , run the cursor over each one to find the 3,19 then choose it to install, it will auto remove the old driver while installing | 12:32 |
| MySystem | the cursor that would be a nice feature *smile* but i try to get there keyboard helps | 12:33 |
| MySystem | yes i know forgeaus be i have as i said iam also here for help | 12:35 |
| MySystem | sry i should start writing reciever names for text | 12:36 |
| BluesKaj | the 3.19 should be the nvidia-current driver for most nvidia cards on saucy , you can do sudo apt-get install nvidia-current in the terminal or the shell/tty , ctrl+alt+F1 - F6 . this goes for you too forgeaus | 12:37 |
| MySystem | nice idea blueskaj would be much easier | 12:38 |
| forgeaus | ok I'll try it | 12:38 |
| forgeaus | this gui installer has stalled anyway | 12:38 |
| forgeaus | and I don't particularly feel like rebooting right now | 12:38 |
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| BluesKaj | forgeaus. MySystem , once the driver installs , a reboot will be required | 12:40 |
| forgeaus | yeah I know | 12:40 |
| MySystem | i know that would be no problem | 12:41 |
| MySystem | first apt have to be rdy | 12:41 |
| forgeaus | but I'm multitasking with some other stuff... so right now just isn't a good time to reboot thats all | 12:41 |
| MySystem | ok its rdy iam going for restart see you in a min | 12:43 |
| MySystem | back but for some reason the old driver is still active (used the graphical version additional driver will now try via konsole direct apt | 12:51 |
| BluesKaj | MySystem. wait | 12:52 |
| MySystem | ok i took a look in aptitude there is an "i" for installed at beginning of the nvidia-319* line | 12:53 |
| MySystem | but also a c bevor nvidia-304* (the old one) | 12:53 |
| BluesKaj | first run this in the terminal. glxinfo | grep OpenGL , the installed driver will show beside "version string " | 12:55 |
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| forgeaus | for me it returns : | 12:56 |
| BluesKaj | you may need to install mesa-utils | 12:56 |
| forgeaus | OpenGL renderer string: GeForce GTX 560/PCIe/SSE2 | 12:56 |
| forgeaus | OpenGL version string: 2.1.2 NVIDIA 319.60 | 12:56 |
| forgeaus | and a few other lines that don't seem relevant unless you want them | 12:57 |
| BluesKaj | forgeaus. ok , then you should be fine , unless there is sometrhing else amiss | 12:57 |
| soee | good morning :) | 12:58 |
| MySystem | http://paste.ubuntu.com/6504048/ ok looks good | 12:58 |
| MySystem | http://paste.ubuntu.com/6504048/ | 12:58 |
| BluesKaj | ok MySystem you should be fibe too | 12:59 |
| BluesKaj | fine | 12:59 |
| forgeaus | should be | 12:59 |
| forgeaus | I think all the nvidia packages (or thsoe they point to if they're meta) are marked as installed anyway | 13:00 |
| MySystem | ok thats good now i have the new nvidia driver ever good to have but the problems ignore that | 13:00 |
| forgeaus | yeah the settings thing sounds like a different problem from mine | 13:01 |
| forgeaus | and neither of us sounds like we had graphic driver problems anyway lol | 13:01 |
| BluesKaj | mucked up kde needs fixing, reinstall kubuntu-desktop | 13:02 |
| forgeaus | kubuntu-desktop is already the newest version. | 13:02 |
| MySystem | i hope that was not the solution for me blueskaj else *unhappy* | 13:02 |
| forgeaus | MySystem, don't be unhappy, its not BluesKaj's fault, | 13:03 |
| forgeaus | he's trying to assist you ... remember | 13:03 |
| MySystem | that is clear blueskaj is the best | 13:03 |
| forgeaus | it would be nice if it helped admittedly ... | 13:03 |
| MySystem | he is the one who ever helped me think he now i like him | 13:04 |
| forgeaus | I'm not going to know until I reset which I think I'm almost about to do | 13:04 |
| MySystem | unhappy because of the fear to loose more kde settings be reinstalling | 13:04 |
| MySystem | be= at | 13:04 |
| forgeaus | MySystem, maybe #KDE people might have more idea about this, there was problems early on with KDE4 not remembering settings | 13:05 |
| BluesKaj | MySystem. do you have the kubuntu backports enabled in muon or sources.list ? | 13:05 |
| rwc2 | what is expected to be quicker: scrubing my system of the ati/amd drivers i want to uninstall, or reinstalling the OS | 13:05 |
| MySystem | dont thnik so blueskaj but will look and post | 13:06 |
| BluesKaj | the former , rwc2 | 13:06 |
| rwc2 | BluesKaj, i've followed some instructions found on google, but they still remain | 13:06 |
| forgeaus | how do I add backports now? | 13:07 |
| MySystem | http://paste.ubuntu.com/6504079/ no i dont see backports in sources | 13:08 |
| BluesKaj | rwc2. if you have a particular driver in mind and ready to install , usually the installer will auto remove the old driver | 13:08 |
| forgeaus | sources looks all different | 13:08 |
| forgeaus | than what I remember | 13:08 |
| rwc2 | rwc2, i just want to regress to the default kubuntu driver | 13:09 |
| rwc2 | BluesKaj, ^^ | 13:09 |
| MySystem | oh iam blind | 13:09 |
| MySystem | blueskaj there is an entry http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu saucy-backports | 13:10 |
| BluesKaj | never mind , not a good idea, for regular users , the backports are for devs and bleeding edge users , sometimes I forget ..sorry forgeaus and MySystem | 13:11 |
| BluesKaj | MySystem. yes those the official source backports | 13:12 |
| MySystem | ok so this entry isnt my result should i go on with reinstalling kubuntu-desktop | 13:12 |
| BluesKaj | yes | 13:13 |
| MySystem | ok do you have a cmd for me because synaptic without mouse isnt nice and apt-get i only knew install remove but no reinstall also think i have to shut down the kde first | 13:14 |
| MySystem | sry that i want this but brwosing without cursor also isnt nice and its not the time for more experiments | 13:15 |
| forgeaus | ugh synaptic, I prefer muon | 13:16 |
| forgeaus | note: I have similar issues with my mouse but only in Gnome | 13:16 |
| BluesKaj | MySystem. sudo apt-get install -reinstall kubuntu-desktop | 13:16 |
| forgeaus | or unity I think | 13:16 |
| MySystem | i hate muon *smile* to userfriendly | 13:16 |
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| forgeaus | it works fine with my KDE mouse theme though | 13:16 |
| MySystem | thx blueskaj | 13:16 |
| forgeaus | there is such a thing as too user-friendly? | 13:17 |
| forgeaus | uh blues I think that just installs the metapackage alone doesn't it? | 13:17 |
| forgeaus | not its dependancies | 13:17 |
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| forgeaus | unless theres missing dependancies taht is | 13:18 |
| MySystem | dont think so forgeaus but i dont like the way it works it looks and also had some problems with it since the 13.10 updates | 13:18 |
| forgeaus | fair enough I guess MySystem I haven't had such problems personally so can't exactly say | 13:18 |
| BluesKaj | synaptic works well in ubnuntu , but i found it unstable in kubuntu for some reason , anyway muon is mature enough now to be reliable in my experience | 13:18 |
| forgeaus | poor old adept lol | 13:19 |
| forgeaus | I miss kpackage | 13:19 |
| BluesKaj | forgeaus. if you have any suggestions that can help here , feel free to do so | 13:20 |
| forgeaus | I used to be able to mess with some slackware packages (simple straight binary only ones) and add them to kubuntu without problems lol | 13:20 |
| forgeaus | BluesKaj: no eye deer ... | 13:20 |
| MySystem | my apt have done this cmd in a few seconds blueskaj reboot now? | 13:20 |
| BluesKaj | relogin should suffice | 13:21 |
| MySystem | k | 13:21 |
| MySystem | then be back | 13:21 |
| BluesKaj | for I think adept sort of morphed into muon iirc | 13:23 |
| BluesKaj | forgeaus.^ | 13:23 |
| forgeaus | yeah pretty much seems to have | 13:23 |
| forgeaus | kpackagekit or something like that was inbetween ... | 13:23 |
| BluesKaj | yeah I used synaptic for yrs | 13:24 |
| forgeaus | now that seems like some kinda backend or something ... | 13:24 |
| forgeaus | one of the dystros had a kynaptic | 13:24 |
| forgeaus | lol distros if I can type it right | 13:24 |
| BluesKaj | well they all use dpkg anyway , it's the base | 13:24 |
| forgeaus | yeah | 13:24 |
| forgeaus | apt, aptitude, etc are all just different levels of front end to dpkg | 13:25 |
| forgeaus | muon being a gui one | 13:26 |
| forgeaus | but kpackage was different in a way, because it let you hold multiple types of repos (like emerge, rpm, tgz, possubly conary, etc) | 13:26 |
| forgeaus | more of a gui frontend to smart (which in itself was all that) | 13:27 |
| forgeaus | wb MySystem | 13:27 |
| MySystem | thx | 13:27 |
| MySystem | sadly i dont see any changes | 13:27 |
| MySystem | but i stay optimistic its linux there is one or more way | 13:29 |
| forgeaus | so maybe its a security issue? or settings are getting rewritten back? either that or not changing in the first place, or changing for the wrong user?... just throwing out ideas... | 13:29 |
| forgeaus | (I wonder if he xepyhrs to a root user desktop if the changes are there or not? ) | 13:30 |
| forgeaus | just a thought, but I'm not sure it would be helpful | 13:30 |
| MySystem | thx iam happy for any idea , wrong user i dont think so there isnt another normal kde user like uid 1001 | 13:30 |
| forgeaus | MySystem, yeah but you are making changes right? those changes aren't being kept, or aren't being written, I was just wondering if the changes went somewhere, just not to the right place?... | 13:31 |
| forgeaus | or is the right place just too well security-protected to be adjusted?... | 13:32 |
| MySystem | that is an interessting idea because i haven't tried to change settings so i dont know if they are kept or not the only setting i changes was nvidia graphic to get view on my default monitor but these are written to xorg.conf by nvidia | 13:33 |
| forgeaus | still kde settings like icon themes and stuff are probably somewhere buried in a .file or place under ~ (as in /home/<user>) | 13:33 |
| forgeaus | well settings in /etc are systemwide so require root priviliges to change | 13:34 |
| MySystem | yes nvidia driver asks for root access | 13:34 |
| forgeaus | in fact any settings outside of the whole ~ subtree should require root to alter | 13:34 |
| MySystem | i will have a look in dolphin at the kde settings folder | 13:35 |
| forgeaus | but many user kde settings are just for the user so somewehre inside the ~ subtree | 13:35 |
| forgeaus | hehe I use krusader ... never really liked the switch to dolphin | 13:35 |
| forgeaus | the whole breadcrumbs bar just ruined it for me... felt like it was trying to be nautilus ... | 13:36 |
| MySystem | yes /home/[user]/.kde/share/config | 13:38 |
| forgeaus | sounds like a reasonable place to put them yeah | 13:39 |
| MySystem | if iam not missinterpreting this the old settings are still there, i searched for a config file where i know what i set and what isnt present atm so i opened kwinrulesrc and found some settings like my synaptic have to start on desktop 4 | 13:39 |
| MySystem | dimensions positions of other which i set are also known to me | 13:40 |
| forgeaus | so whats that mean? | 13:41 |
| forgeaus | its got a different set for each virtual desktop? or is desktop 4 something else? | 13:41 |
| MySystem | i think my old "lost" settings are still there where they have to be but iam not 100% sure | 13:42 |
| forgeaus | (I named mine) | 13:42 |
| forgeaus | so if they're still there why aren't they being used when you log in is the question then right? | 13:42 |
| MySystem | which config saves the backgrounds | 13:42 |
| BluesKaj | MySystem. you shouldn't try to modify kde conf files directly , that's what system settings gui is for | 13:43 |
| MySystem | good question they are at the right place (at my knowlegde) owner and group are my username and right are user rw group and others none | 13:43 |
| forgeaus | I'm not sure the desktop 4 thing is helpful though if you've used synaptic and its start on desktop 4 then wouldn't whatever other changes you made to desktop 4 (your default?) would go through ... | 13:43 |
| forgeaus | besides I think its only the background and activites that you can set to be desktop-specific isn't it? ... | 13:44 |
| forgeaus | I doubt you'd be able to set a while different kdestyle or cursor set etc. to each desktop ... | 13:45 |
| MySystem | ok a test with synaptic shows it starts at desktop 4 and another thing happens had the file opened in kate and it recognize that the file has changed as i started synaptic | 13:46 |
| MySystem | yes background activities widgets and was set for each kdestyle and cursor i think you're right that this isnt possible for each desktop | 13:47 |
| forgeaus | so if you change something global it should work for that user ... | 13:48 |
| forgeaus | (or confine backgrounds/widget sets to NOT be desktop specific - making those changes global too - for that user in the desktop sense anyway) .... | 13:49 |
| forgeaus | wouldn't half life 3 make it 1.5th of a life? lol kidding | 13:51 |
| MySystem | *smile* | 14:03 |
| MySystem | iam looking over the config which one i can test change, have to be some file with atm missing settings, also sorted by file change date but without a cursor it takes a bit longer | 14:03 |
| MySystem | short afk to go for a smoke | 14:04 |
| lordievader | Good afternoon. | 14:05 |
| MySystem | hello lordievader | 14:05 |
| lordievader | Hey MySystem, how are you? | 14:06 |
| MySystem | unhappy i killed somehow a lot of kde settings | 14:07 |
| MySystem | http://paste.ubuntu.com/6502917/ | 14:07 |
| MySystem | and how are you | 14:07 |
| lordievader | Doing ok, having a fight with Window's portproxy rules. | 14:08 |
| lordievader | But I do have mint tea, so that makes up for it I guess. | 14:08 |
| lordievader | MySystem: Make a new user and see if that new user has the same problems. | 14:10 |
| MySystem | then i hope it make it for you , and a new user interessting idea but this one doesnt have settings set that can get lost, by the way settings i make now seems to take effekt and stay | 14:11 |
| forgeaus | but does it stay between sessions? | 14:12 |
| forgeaus | current session is fine, between sessions is another matter | 14:12 |
| MySystem | for this i have to leave you short be back in a min | 14:12 |
| forgeaus | no problem | 14:12 |
| forgeaus | I'll be here | 14:13 |
| MySystem | back | 14:19 |
| MySystem | ok i tested with widget because these are all lost and the test widget is still there | 14:20 |
| MySystem | a question what is lightdm because i think to restart this service was my fault | 14:22 |
| lordievader | MySystem: Lightdm is your displaymanager/login screen. | 14:23 |
| MySystem | ok can someone imagine what happens if i restart lightdm while kde is logged on with my user and runnning | 14:24 |
| lordievader | MySystem: Since those programs depend on X and X is killed, the programs that depend on it are killed too. | 14:25 |
| MySystem | ok nearly that was my idea as i sended the restart cmd | 14:26 |
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| MySystem | ok now i go realy for a smoke the last try failed because of ides | 14:28 |
| MySystem | ideas | 14:28 |
| MySystem | ok friend came with another pc with something todo i think my probs have to wait | 14:36 |
| MySystem | i stay here if ideas tell pls else i test and tell here later first thx lordievader blueskaj forgeaus for all the ideas we go on later | 14:38 |
| BluesKaj | BBL | 14:44 |
| Robbiecano | !ops | help my penis is stuck in my 40oz beer how can i get it out? | 14:49 |
| ubottu | help my penis is stuck in my 40oz beer how can i get it out?: Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) Hobbsee, Tm_T, Nalioth, Riddell, seth, imbrandon, gnomefreak, nixternal, ryanakca, mneptok, PriceChild, tsimpson, jussi, Pici, ikonia, genii, Mamarok, claydoh, maco, seele, Nightrose, JontheEnchidna, rgreening, or txwikinger | 14:49 |
| jussi | Robbiecano: again? | 14:49 |
| forgeaus | wow they're still developing Kpackage apparently ... | 14:57 |
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| ovrflw0x | http://ppa.launchpad.net/team-xbmc/ppa/ubuntu/dists/saucy/main/binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found <-- what to do now? | 15:01 |
| forgeaus | ovr 32-bit? could you run the amd64 version instead? .. (assuming thats not missing too) | 15:03 |
| ovrflw0x | forgeaus: that's missing too 404 | 15:13 |
| forgeaus | ouch | 15:13 |
| ovrflw0x | aoouch | 15:13 |
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| ovrflw0x | AAAaaaaaaooouch | 15:14 |
| forgeaus | well its plausible it has moved sites? ... google where to get it from now I guess ... | 15:14 |
| ovrflw0x | hey forgeaus what's going on? | 15:15 |
| ovrflw0x | how long have you been using kubuntu? | 15:15 |
| forgeaus | oh since about Edgy | 15:15 |
| forgeaus | on and off.. | 15:15 |
| ovrflw0x | and when was edgy? | 15:15 |
| ovrflw0x | 2007? | 15:15 |
| forgeaus | something like that | 15:15 |
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| ovrflw0x | you looked at no other distro since 2007 forgeaus? | 15:16 |
| forgeaus | thats not correct... | 15:16 |
| forgeaus | I've LOOKED at many, even used some since then | 15:16 |
| ovrflw0x | so what's the conclusion ? | 15:16 |
| forgeaus | and looked at some others before then, though none successfully ... | 15:16 |
| ovrflw0x | so what's the conclusion? | 15:16 |
| forgeaus | I like how kde feels so integrated with kubuntu | 15:16 |
| forgeaus | with something like PCLinuxOS it looks and feels more like kde slapped on top of another distro | 15:16 |
| forgeaus | while kubuntu is similar (ie kde slapped on top of Ubuntu - currently | 15:17 |
| forgeaus | it doesn't feel separate | 15:17 |
| forgeaus | (that being said I think PC-BSD does an ok job of KDE on BSD ... ) | 15:18 |
| forgeaus | maybe thats because back when I used PCLinuxOS there were KDE alternatives taht weren't taken advantage of, like x-chat instead of something like konversation or quassel | 15:19 |
| forgeaus | and the desktop wallpaper was a PCLinuxOS specific one that didn't have any KDE feel... | 15:20 |
| forgeaus | but thats just cosmetic | 15:20 |
| forgeaus | hey MySystem how's it going? | 15:35 |
| forgeaus | lordie are you still there? why lightdm instead of kdm? | 15:36 |
| MySystem | have another pc patient here from guest have to do it first | 15:40 |
| MySystem | my have to wait but will tell and test later on | 15:40 |
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| === PasNox_ is now known as PasNox | ||
| aPpYe | I am building a KDE system from Ubuntu mini 13.10. I have apt-get's Install-Recommends feature disabled. If I build the system WITH recommends, everything is fine. If I build WITHOUT, the Languages tab under Locale in System Settings is stuck with a progress meter that hangs at 0% forever. | 17:24 |
| aPpYe | Linked… http://paste.ubuntu.com/6505158/ ...is a list of packages (what would come with Install-Recommends enabled) that fixes the issue. I am having a really hard time figuring out what package(s) from this list are required for the Language tab to work correctly. | 17:25 |
| aPpYe | any help is appreciated. | 17:25 |
| aPpYe | hm. maybe #ubuntu ... | 17:27 |
| ovrflw0x | hey aPpYe | 17:38 |
| ovrflw0x | aPpYe: you there? | 17:38 |
| ovrflw0x | bud | 17:38 |
| === spawn57 is now known as spawn[dead] | ||
| aPpYe | ovrflw0x, I am here now. .. | 17:48 |
| aPpYe | walked away for a minute. | 17:48 |
| === PasNox_ is now known as PasNox | ||
| aPpYe | sigh... | 18:01 |
| dbc254 | bought an external drive enclosure for my 2.5 laptop drive on ebay. Works just fine on Windows machines. Linux? Not so much. | 18:03 |
| dbc254 | What am I doing wrong. Formatted using NTFS. Little 300gb drive. | 18:04 |
| dbc254 | usb powered, no external power supply | 18:04 |
| * aPpYe is afraid to walk away from his computer | 18:07 | |
| aPpYe | dbc254, I would start with a standard fat32 format for an external drive and see what happens from there. | 18:09 |
| aPpYe | oh ... 300gb | 18:09 |
| dbc254 | Is there a limitation? | 18:10 |
| dbc254 | I went with NTFS, because of the 4gig limitation of adding large files. | 18:10 |
| dbc254 | I can't even see the drive on Kubuntu. Have a windows machine at work, so I have to take the drive to work to reformat. | 18:11 |
| aPpYe | 32gb officially, but I have formatted larger. Most of the time usb drives appear as /dev/sd* on my system. NTFS should work though. Do you see any additional items (by typing ls -al /dev/sd*) before/after you plug the device in? | 18:12 |
| aPpYe | but the 4gb limitation is something that cannot be gotten around with fat32 | 18:13 |
| aPpYe | also, you could try installing ntfs-3g, but I have not played with external ntfs drives under linux much. I know I have gotten it to work before. | 18:14 |
| aPpYe | but I think that should already be installed on a standard kubuntu ... | 18:15 |
| aPpYe | so ... from konsole, try ls -al /dev/sd* ... then plug in the device and run the same command and see if any other /dev/sd* items appear. | 18:16 |
| aPpYe | ovrflw0x, I am worried that you had some magic answer for me ... | 18:18 |
| aPpYe | and I missed ti. | 18:18 |
| dbc254 | kubuntu can't see it. . I had no idea there was a 32gb external limitation. I have two external drives running NTFS. One was store-bought and one was an enclosure for a 3.5 SATA drive with power supply. This litle usb only drive enclosure is for a 2.5. Both of the aforementioned drives are 500gb | 18:26 |
| dbc254 | I thought it was this cheap enclosure until I took it to work and it works just fine. . . | 18:27 |
| aPpYe | no ... 32gb limitation on fat32, according to microsoft, no limitation on external drives. | 18:28 |
| ovrflw0x | hey aPpYe i just wanted to say that your nickname looks like a furry bunny | 18:31 |
| aPpYe | lol ... sigh. | 18:32 |
| aPpYe | thanks for getting my hopes up. | 18:32 |
| aPpYe | and what? | 18:32 |
| ovrflw0x | what's your problem anyways? | 18:32 |
| aPpYe | I am building a KDE system from Ubuntu mini 13.10. I have apt-get's Install-Recommends feature disabled. If I build the system WITH recommends, everything is fine. If I build WITHOUT, the Languages tab under Locale in System Settings is stuck with a progress meter that hangs at 0% forever. | 18:32 |
| aPpYe | Linked… http://paste.ubuntu.com/6505158/ ...is a list of packages (what would come with Install-Recommends enabled) that fixes the issue. I am having a really hard time figuring out what package(s) from this list are required for the Language tab to work correctly. | 18:32 |
| ovrflw0x | aPpYe: what do you mean you are bulding KDE? | 18:35 |
| ovrflw0x | are you building from source? | 18:35 |
| aPpYe | not from source ... | 18:35 |
| ovrflw0x | aPpYe: are you on live cd? | 18:36 |
| aPpYe | just building a system from the regular ubuntu repos using the ubuntu mini .iso... It is liek building a debian system, starting from a command line | 18:36 |
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| ovrflw0x | aPpYe: why don't you "remove" languages that you don't need? | 18:37 |
| ovrflw0x | from system settings | 18:37 |
| ovrflw0x | is there any option to do that? | 18:37 |
| aPpYe | not the issue, I just want the language tab to work. in system settings, the language tab hangs at 0% and I cannot figure out why. | 18:37 |
| ovrflw0x | and what do you mean by lanauge tab? | 18:38 |
| ovrflw0x | is there some sort of GUI? | 18:38 |
| aPpYe | System Settings > Locale > Languages (tab) | 18:39 |
| ovrflw0x | oh so you don't get the option to "choose" your locale correct? | 18:40 |
| aPpYe | yeah ... | 18:40 |
| aPpYe | but I do if I install with recommends enabled. | 18:40 |
| ovrflw0x | aPpYe: why don't you install "all" of them and then later "remove" not needed locales? | 18:40 |
| ovrflw0x | aPpYe: ? | 18:41 |
| ovrflw0x | you get what i'm saying? | 18:42 |
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| ovrflw0x | aPpYe: follow this to remove not required locale... http://askubuntu.com/questions/58191/how-can-i-uninstall-a-locale-via-command-line | 18:43 |
| ovrflw0x | aPpYe: you there bud/ | 18:44 |
| ovrflw0x | ? | 18:44 |
| aPpYe | ovrflw0x, this is not the issue. I am not trying to add or remove locales. I am trying to get the language tab to function. | 18:44 |
| ovrflw0x | aPpYe: you said "tab" functions once all recommended packages are intalled?!? | 18:45 |
| ovrflw0x | installed* | 18:45 |
| aPpYe | when I builld this system for friends and family, I want them to be able to click on the language tab and select what they want. Some of them might want other languages. | 18:45 |
| ovrflw0x | aPpYe: then what's wrong with "default" recommended packages? | 18:46 |
| ovrflw0x | aPpYe: ?? wtf ?? are you doing? reply fast | 18:47 |
| aPpYe | http://forums.linuxmint.com/download/file.php?id=13897&mode=view | 18:47 |
| ovrflw0x | aPpYe: i know where tab gets stuck | 18:48 |
| aPpYe | that is what the languages tab looks like on this system. I am not building a kubuntu system. I am building a kde system based on ubuntu mini with my own package selections. | 18:48 |
| aPpYe | I want recommends turned off so I only get strict dependencies. | 18:48 |
| ovrflw0x | aPpYe: type this in terminal [localedef --list-archive] | 18:48 |
| ovrflw0x | what do you get? | 18:48 |
| aPpYe | a long list of en_ languages | 18:50 |
| aPpYe | well, about 20 lines | 18:50 |
| aPpYe | including en_US.utf8 | 18:51 |
| ovrflw0x | aPpYe: do "sudo locale-gen" | 18:52 |
| ovrflw0x | in terminal | 18:52 |
| ovrflw0x | then again open locale in system settings | 18:52 |
| aPpYe | okay, I rebooted the vm ... hold on. | 18:53 |
| ovrflw0x | aPpYe: why did you reboot? any specific reason? | 18:54 |
| aPpYe | because I have had luck with wiping the user profile and rebooting. | 18:55 |
| aPpYe | okay, still stuck at 0%, running locale-gen now ... | 18:56 |
| aPpYe | still stuck at 0% ... | 18:57 |
| aPpYe | here is how I am doing things... | 18:57 |
| aPpYe | I built a couple of metapackages. | 18:57 |
| aPpYe | I install my system with apt-get install appye-kde | 18:58 |
| aPpYe | install-recommends is disabled in apt.conf.d | 18:58 |
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| ovrflw0x | do this in terminal 'sudo apt-get install calligra-l10n-pl firefox-locale-pl kde-l10n-pl language-pack-pl language-pack-pl-base' | 18:58 |
| ovrflw0x | polish language just e.g. | 18:58 |
| aPpYe | if I install with --install-recommends, languages tab is functional | 18:59 |
| aPpYe | hold on running your command... | 18:59 |
| aPpYe | when installing without --install-recommends, language tab stuck at 0% | 19:00 |
| ovrflw0x | did you run the command? | 19:00 |
| aPpYe | if I install without ---install-recommends, but manually install the recommended packages along with appye-kde, languages tab is fine. | 19:01 |
| ovrflw0x | then wtf is your problem now? | 19:01 |
| aPpYe | if I install without --install-recommends, and THEN install the recommended packages manually, I cannot get the tab to work | 19:01 |
| aPpYe | last command did not work. | 19:02 |
| aPpYe | I will try locale-gen again followed by loggiing out and back on. | 19:02 |
| ovrflw0x | also type this command after "locale-gen" 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales' | 19:05 |
| ovrflw0x | aPpYe: done? | 19:06 |
| aPpYe | okay, running the last command now ... | 19:07 |
| aPpYe | complete. opening ssystem settings. | 19:08 |
| aPpYe | still hanging. | 19:08 |
| ovrflw0x | aPpYe: http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=109&t=140411 <-- fix for it | 19:09 |
| silke_ | hhh | 19:10 |
| silke_ | hi, bist du da? | 19:10 |
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| Guest28270 | silke??? | 19:12 |
| ovrflw0x | aPpYe: does this post work? http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=109&t=140411#p750554 | 19:12 |
| silke_ | s | 19:12 |
| aPpYe | yeah, still hung language tab. right now the system is set up as follows: install-recommends is DISABLED: I installed appye-kde, THEN installed the recommended packages list ... logged in for the first time and languages tab stuck. I logged out and wiped the profile, rebooted and logged back in. I ran all the commands you suggested and still have the problem. I am still looking through the thread you sent me | 19:13 |
| aPpYe | okay reading post | 19:13 |
| aPpYe | that is a lot of crap that isn't even in my list ... Arny006 is saying to install a bunch of language packs for different languages, gnome and firefox stuff that I do not have on another system that is already working fine (languages tab-wise) without any of that stuff. | 19:17 |
| aPpYe | but I will run the command to see if things get better on this vm. | 19:18 |
| ovrflw0x | aPpYe: wait | 19:19 |
| ovrflw0x | aPpYe: you there? | 19:19 |
| aPpYe | yeah ... | 19:19 |
| ovrflw0x | do this | 19:19 |
| aPpYe | installing this mountain of crap ... | 19:19 |
| ovrflw0x | no dont' | 19:19 |
| ovrflw0x | hold on | 19:19 |
| aPpYe | okay, cancelled ... still downloading so nothing done. | 19:19 |
| ovrflw0x | do this in terminal "kcmshell4 language" and monitor the output in terminal | 19:19 |
| aPpYe | is an ssh session to the box okay? | 19:20 |
| aPpYe | or do I need the gui? | 19:20 |
| ovrflw0x | GUI | 19:20 |
| aPpYe | okay, | 19:20 |
| aPpYe | copy/paste will not work because I do not have the vm additions installed. | 19:20 |
| ovrflw0x | what? | 19:20 |
| ovrflw0x | oh ok | 19:21 |
| ovrflw0x | type in terminal "kcmshell4 language" and see the output in terminal | 19:21 |
| ovrflw0x | to know what's causing the problem | 19:21 |
| ovrflw0x | aPpYe: what do you see? | 19:22 |
| aPpYe | nothing whatsoever! | 19:22 |
| ovrflw0x | do you see locale window popping up? | 19:23 |
| silke_ | verstehe kein wort | 19:23 |
| ovrflw0x | aPpYe: ? | 19:23 |
| ovrflw0x | are you in KDE? | 19:23 |
| aPpYe | yeah, the gui comes up, and I click on different tabs, click on defaults, and choose apply, and nothing on the konnsole. | 19:24 |
| silke_ | no in gnome | 19:24 |
| ovrflw0x | ok | 19:24 |
| aPpYe | that thread suggests an internet problem aaaaaaa well, but I can ping google no problems. | 19:25 |
| Taduro_ | Do you guys know how to have an animated wallpaper? | 19:30 |
| ovrflw0x | aPpYe: maybe try this and see where it gets stuck "strace -eopen -f kcmshell4 language" | 19:32 |
| dougl | Taduro_, what did you have in mind? | 19:32 |
| dougl | ... that sounds cool | 19:33 |
| ovrflw0x | aPpYe: ? | 19:33 |
| aPpYe | producing all kinds of output, but no GUI | 19:33 |
| ovrflw0x | wait and see where it gets stuck | 19:33 |
| aPpYe | okay, hold on I clicked on a few things and made it move again. | 19:34 |
| aPpYe | let me try it again. | 19:34 |
| aPpYe | okay, let me post the results ... hold on. | 19:36 |
| aPpYe | installing pastebinit ... please wait | 19:38 |
| Taduro_ | dougl: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdHOJiTkcg0 | 19:38 |
| aPpYe | http://paste.ubuntu.com/6505876/ ... I waited for the the gui to come up and then just closed it. | 19:40 |
| aPpYe | I can adjust settings and get you the entire trace if you want. | 19:40 |
| dougl | Taduro_, that looks cool... watching the whole vid | 19:44 |
| Taduro_ | dougl: well, is the first video I picked up | 19:45 |
| Taduro_ | anyone knows how? | 19:45 |
| aPpYe | ovrflw0x, brb ... | 19:46 |
| ovrflw0x | aPpYe: | 19:47 |
| aPpYe | here | 19:48 |
| dougl | Taduro_, I will be able to figure it out... just need to be properly motivated need to find something that I would like rather than the static Asus branded box I just finnished | 19:48 |
| ovrflw0x | aPpYe what do you see in "/usr/share/locale"? | 19:49 |
| aPpYe | ovrflw0x, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6505923/ | 19:51 |
| dougl | Taduro_, reading the post with that video there is only 2 patterns that you can animate... 2 choices is not the reason I use linux ;) | 19:52 |
| dougl | ... or am I missing something? | 19:52 |
| ovrflw0x | aPpYe: what's output of this "kde4-config --path data" | 19:53 |
| aPpYe | one moment ... | 19:54 |
| aPpYe | /home/appye/.kde/share/apps/:/usr/share/kde4/apps/ | 19:56 |
| ovrflw0x | do you have this file? --> "/etc/kde4rc"? | 19:57 |
| ovrflw0x | aPpYe: ^ | 19:57 |
| aPpYe | no. not on either my host system (which has a working language tab) or on the vm | 19:58 |
| === kubuntu is now known as Guest32715 | ||
| Taduro_ | dougl: you can use any video you want | 19:59 |
| aPpYe | okay, back in five minutes tops. | 20:00 |
| dougl | Taduro_, i did not get that... | 20:00 |
| Taduro_ | one sec | 20:00 |
| dougl | Taduro_, what version are you using? kubuntu? | 20:02 |
| ovrflw0x | aPpYe: you there? | 20:06 |
| aPpYe | okay back | 20:10 |
| aPpYe | ten minutes | 20:10 |
| ovrflw0x | install this --> kubuntu-settings-desktop | 20:10 |
| ovrflw0x | aPpYe: you there? | 20:10 |
| aPpYe | installing now ../. | 20:10 |
| aPpYe | installed ... | 20:11 |
| ovrflw0x | what do you get now? | 20:11 |
| aPpYe | still 0% | 20:12 |
| ovrflw0x | what's inside "/etc/kde4rc"? | 20:12 |
| aPpYe | [Directories-default] | 20:13 |
| aPpYe | prefixes=/usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/ | 20:13 |
| ovrflw0x | aPpYe: anything else? | 20:14 |
| aPpYe | that's all | 20:14 |
| ovrflw0x | aPpYe: logout & back in maybe? | 20:15 |
| aPpYe | okay hold on | 20:15 |
| aPpYe | rebooting for good measure | 20:15 |
| ovrflw0x | no | 20:15 |
| ovrflw0x | just logout back in | 20:15 |
| aPpYe | huh! it does look like a bunny! | 20:16 |
| ovrflw0x | what? | 20:16 |
| aPpYe | your comment about my handle | 20:16 |
| aPpYe | aPpYe | 20:17 |
| ovrflw0x | did you log back in? | 20:17 |
| aPpYe | logging in now ... | 20:17 |
| ovrflw0x | aPpYe: ? | 20:19 |
| aPpYe | still same problem | 20:19 |
| ovrflw0x | try to remove ~/.kde logoutback in | 20:19 |
| === kav is now known as Guest98796 | ||
| aPpYe | done that a millllion times ... will try again. | 20:20 |
| aPpYe | heh ... vm aborted. wonderful. | 20:21 |
| aPpYe | booting up again. | 20:22 |
| aPpYe | I am gonna have to leave for a while here in a minute. wife and kid wanna go have lunch. | 20:22 |
| ovrflw0x | ok | 20:22 |
| aPpYe | I will leave the channel open and come back later. | 20:22 |
| aPpYe | thanks for trying. | 20:22 |
| aPpYe | very nice of you | 20:22 |
| BluesKaj | BBL | 20:22 |
| aPpYe | still broken by the way ... | 20:25 |
| aPpYe | anyway, I gotta get out of here | 20:25 |
| === Steakanbake is now known as Steakanbake|slee | ||
| ovrflw0x | aPpYe: you there? | 20:35 |
| === mirqui___ is now known as mirqui | ||
| ovrflw0x | aPpYe: YOU NEED THIS PACKAGE -->> libencode-locale-perl <<------------ THIS WILL **FIX** YOUR 0% LOCALE ISSUE! | 20:36 |
| ovrflw0x | aPpYe: sudo apt-get install libencode-local-perl | 20:38 |
| ovrflw0x | aPpYe: sudo apt-get install libencode-locale-perl <-- | 20:38 |
| MySystem | iam back for those who remeber for the others hello and http://paste.ubuntu.com/6502917/ after the morning without a mouse cursor i think this is the most important thing | 21:46 |
| MySystem | found something new after an idea the desktop effects settings shows at the first tab need x-xtensensions XComposite and XDamage are not available | 21:49 |
| Neikius | hello, having some problems installing mysql server; this is exactly the same problem:http://askubuntu.com/questions/261250/dpkg-invoke-rc-d-initscript-mysql-action-start-failed/ - my problem is that the suggested solution (purging mysql-common) doesn't seem so bright, upwards of 60 kde packages are dependant on it... | 21:55 |
| devilguy | всем привет не подскажите как сделать респин кубунты ? :) | 21:55 |
| soee | !de | 21:58 |
| ubottu | In den meisten Ubuntu-Kanälen wird nur Englisch gesprochen. Für deutschsprachige Hilfe besuche bitte #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #edubuntu-de oder #ubuntu-at. Einfach "/join #ubuntu-de" eingeben. Danke für Dein Verständnis! | 21:58 |
| soee | !ru | 21:58 |
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| devilguy | hi all anybody can tell me how to create kubuntu respin ? ( buntu ) my skills sysadmin but i stunnet ^) | 21:59 |
| Neikius | any ideas regarding my predicament? | 21:59 |
| ikonia | devilguy: what have you done so far ? | 21:59 |
| devilguy | uck not work none packet manager ^) and fail build ,remaster sys nice but not all as we would like , older i use ubuntu-builder but now it not work .. | 22:02 |
| ikonia | ....so what have you actually done | 22:02 |
| devilguy | chroot bit does not work Aptitude | 22:03 |
| ikonia | can't be bothered, | 22:03 |
| devilguy | i have just packet manager for programms , terminal for customized design and finaly compleate build ^) | 22:06 |
| devilguy | like as opensuse studion ^) but i like kubuntu as 3 years on my netbook and i happy ^) | 22:08 |
| === jalcine- is now known as jalcine | ||
| MySystem | blueskaj lordievader i have my mouse cursor back (i deleted the xorg.conf,rebooted and then set the resolution monitor settings via kde settings not via nvidia | 23:18 |
| === ilian is now known as i_tomov | ||
| SaveME | !ops | 23:49 |
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