[02:10] <Eliyahu`> so when should we expect an ubuntu 13.10 release for some tablet device to run the full OS
[06:00] <nhaines> Eliyahu`: err, never?
[06:01] <nhaines> Tablet support is scheduled for 14.04.
[06:01] <nhaines> And if you mean convergence support, it *might* make some kind of appearance in 14.04, but from the sounds of thinks, probably not until 14.10.
[06:12] <bhalu> hi
[06:12] <bhalu> How to install ubuntu touch in arm dev boards
[06:17] <nhaines> bhalu: start compiling.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting
[06:24] <bhalu> nhaines: my board is a arm7 architecture , can i install prebuild images directly
[06:26] <nhaines> bhalu: no.  You'll have to port it to your architecture and do all the work from scratch.
[06:28] <bhalu> nhaines:   http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/20131125/     ---> this link providing a armv7 processors prebuilt ubuntu touch images
[06:28] <bhalu> nhaines: why can't i use the same image on my board since architecture is same
[06:29] <nhaines> Because hardware drivers.
[06:35] <bhalu> nhaines: ok, any pointers to build it from scratch . I am not getting from info from porting page
[06:36] <nhaines> Sorry, I don't have additional information.
[06:37] <bhalu> nhaines: thanks for help
[06:37] <nhaines> bhalu: I hope it's a starting point!
[07:01] <fahadash> Can I install ubuntu on iPad ?
[07:41] <bhalu> How to install ubuntu touch in arm dev boards
[07:41] <bhalu> ?
[09:18] <nhaines> fahadash: no.
[09:20] <fahadash> It sucks
[09:20] <fahadash> Why ?
[09:20] <fahadash> I hate this
[09:20] <fahadash> Has Apple made the hardware details so confidential and locked up that you guys cannot reverse engineer ?
[09:21] <fahadash> Or does either ubuntu or ipad-hardware suck ?
[09:21] <fahadash> Its very hard for me to swallow
[09:21] <nhaines> fahadash: Because no one has ported Ubuntu to the iPad.
[09:21] <fahadash> And why is that ?
[09:22] <fahadash> Because no one can ?
[09:22] <nhaines> Proabably for the same reason you haven't.
[09:23] <fahadash> I haven't because I am not expert in the subject
[09:23] <fahadash> So you're implying that ubuntu-community seriously lack the juice ?
[09:24] <nhaines> There aren't any Linux drivers for iPad hardware, much less Android drivers.
[09:24] <fahadash> And why so ?
[09:24] <nhaines> Because Apple doesn't care about this.  Their hardware is built only to run Apple software.
[09:24] <fahadash> You guys wrote linux drivers for hp laptops, why didnt you take an extra step ahead and wrote some for ipad ?
[09:24] <nhaines> There's no "you guys" here.  HP uses commodity PC hardware.
[09:25] <nhaines> So almost all of the hardware on my current HP laptop, which I'm typing on now, was already just supported by the standard drivers.
[09:25] <fahadash> Do you mean, its up to Apple to release drivers for linux ?
[09:25] <nhaines> But ARM hardware is all proprietary.
[09:25] <nhaines> Yes, either to release drivers or to publish technical specifications so that drivers can be developed.
[09:26] <fahadash> That doesn't mean any single company can be sued for writing linux drivers for ARM, because open-source communinity is like peer2peer, they cant get lawsuit unless they are a business entity which opensource community isnt
[09:27] <fahadash> nhaines, Publish tech specs ? Can't somebody reverse engineer or get in cahoots with chinese firm who is making those ARM hardwares ?
[09:27] <nhaines> It does, however, mean that developers tend to favor hardware that has documentation or manufacturer support.
[09:27] <nhaines> fahadash: it's incredibly hard to so do.
[09:27] <nhaines> fahadash: if it were easy, you could do so over the weekend.
[09:27] <nhaines> (If it were easy, even *I* could.  And I'm a programmer, not a hardware developer.)
[09:27] <fahadash> So you're saying Apple is badass and linux-community sucks ?
[09:28] <nhaines> fahadash: I'm saying that it's like trying to understand Hittite or Phoenecian without a Rosetta Stone.  Very time-consuming and difficult, if not impossible.
[09:33] <nhaines> Anyway, if I were a developer working in my spare time for free, I'd probably rather buy cheaper hardware that was Linux friendly, not Apple hardware that had no documentation.  So that's likely the reason there's no Linux support.  That's presuming that Apple isn't trying to lock out other firmware, like they do with iPods.
[11:01] <randomcpp> am I the only who can't use valgrind on trusty?
[11:01] <randomcpp> :/
[11:04] <Vairam> how to install ubuntu touch preview in my xt912
[11:05] <Vairam> ??
[11:06] <nhaines> Vairam: you can't.
[11:07] <Vairam> but some people mentioned its possible in some websites
[11:07] <nhaines> Better follow up with them, then.  It's not listed on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices.
[11:12] <Vairam> my mobile is listed there
[11:12] <Vairam> but not in bold
[11:13] <Vairam> what does this mean??
[11:14] <nhaines> It means you can see the link under the "Status Page" column to see what the status was and whether or not there are instructions.
[11:18] <Vairam> WHen are they planning to release ubuntu for phones officially??
[11:18] <nhaines> They already have.  But as far as official support, you'll have to buy a handset that comes with it preinstalled.
[11:19] <nhaines> And handset manufacturers never talk about this information beforehand.
[11:20] <Vairam> that sound great
[11:40] <randomcpp> why if I install a click pkg manually with pkcon install-local I can't see it listed in Applications?
[11:58] <randomcpp> why if I install a click pkg manually with pkcon install-local I can't see it listed in Applications?
[11:59] <nhaines> Probably because there's no desktop support for click apps.
[12:03] <randomcpp> on the phone
[12:04] <nhaines> Use "click install foobar" instead of pkcon, then.
[12:09] <daker> randomcpp: because you need to restart unity8
[12:09] <daker> randomcpp: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6503867/
[12:09] <randomcpp> I'll try thank you daker
[13:12] <randomcpp> popey, thank you :)
[13:13] <popey> np
[13:13] <randomcpp> popey, I've added UserMetrics, give me feedback in the next days if you like/dislike this feature
[13:13] <popey> ooh
[13:13]  * popey updates phone
[13:25] <lops> good morning
[13:25] <lops> any devs here? How do I change from a view to another, say, on the press of a button?
[13:26] <lops> i was trying onClicked: pageLoader.source = "TabbedView.qml" but this draws the second view inside the previous one
[16:08] <lops> are there real hardware limitations that prevent non-nexus phones from working with UP?
[16:08] <lops> or is it possible to have it kind or working in other phones?
[16:14] <PoltoS_> Is it possible to use cyrillic letters in contacts? All my cyrillic contacts are under # letter. Also how to add russian keyboard and allow switching between en/ru?
[16:17] <lops> The UI is in the works, but according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes#Language_and_keyboard you can change the language in the terminal, but even that is limited to a few languages ('en_us', 'es', 'fr', 'pt', 'de', 'zh_cn_pinyin')
[16:42] <PoltoS_> @>lops< : are these languages supported only or others might be too?
[16:43] <PoltoS_> >lops< : are these languages supported only or others might be too?
[16:44] <PoltoS_> And what about list of contacts? The problem seems to be really minor (just allow not only latin to be as key in the list). Could you point me to a place I can contrubute? (is it in some git?)
[16:47] <lops> PoltoS_, I think all that info in here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Contribute
[16:49] <lops> ANd i believe those are the laguanges you get, atthe moment
[17:17] <TheShahin> I'm currently trying to install Ubuntu Touch on my Nexus 7. It says "ROM may flash stock recovery on boot. Fix?". Now, the installation guide says to just wait through screens that seem like they need input, but this hasn't changed for 20 minutes. Shall I keep on waiting or is there something wrong?
[17:17] <TheShahin> It also lists a lot of no's and a "Yes - Disable recovery flash"
[20:13] <lops> any devs tried saving files in ubuntu touch? i'm pretty lost, so any help is apreciated -.-
[20:17] <randomcpp> lops, which kind of files?
[20:17] <dobey> lops: apps are contained on ubuntu touch. so you can't just save files anywhere. i don't know where exactly apps have access to save to by default, but you'll get a better answer tomorrow when people are actually around
[20:17] <randomcpp> ubuntu touch uses a sandboxed enviroenment for third party apps
[20:18] <randomcpp> environment**
[20:18] <dobey> randomcpp: type doesn't matter. location does
[20:18] <randomcpp> dobey, I know it very well :)
[20:20] <lops> oh, people are not around now. ok xD
[20:20] <lops> yes, i know there are restrictions, that is expected.
[20:20] <lops> I read about policires the other day
[20:20] <randomcpp> you should look for Ubuntu.Content component
[20:21] <lops> in the mean time, I also tried stackoverflow. I'll focus on the UI for now then.
[20:21] <randomcpp> to access and export files from your app
[20:21] <lops> randomcpp, thx. will look it up
[20:22] <randomcpp> lops, if you only need to save config file or app data you should write in $XDG_DATA_DIR/$APP_ID directory
[20:23] <lops> hm thanks. my problem is how to write on file from QML
[20:24] <randomcpp> lops, then you have to use c++
[20:24] <lops> do i need a C++ main?
[20:25] <randomcpp> c++ main or qt c++ plugins
[20:25] <randomcpp> in my app I use a c++ plugin
[20:25] <randomcpp> https://github.com/random-cpp/saucybacon
[20:25] <lops> thank you
[20:26] <randomcpp> you can copy everything you need, just respect the license :)
[20:26] <randomcpp> lops, using c++ main instead of a plugin seems to be a little easier
[20:35] <dobey> config files should go in #XDG_CONFIG_HOME, not $XDG_DATA_DIR
[20:38] <randomcpp> dobey, yeah you're right
[20:42] <randomcpp> dobey, for some reason I've used XDG_DATA_DIR and I don't know if I'll switch at the moment
[21:11] <Modrick> Greetings.
[21:12] <Modrick> I was wondering if it will be at all possible to install ubuntu touch onto other phone models such as an LG nitro
[21:12] <Modrick> within the near future
[21:14] <dobey> as soon as it is ported to that phone model, it shold be possible to install it :)
[21:14] <dobey> it will require someone with that specific phone to port it to the phone, though
[21:18] <Modrick> Okay thanks
[21:31] <randomcpp> is it normal that launching an app on ubuntu touch takes some time?
[23:33] <lops> where can I find the loading wheel used in some ubuntu apps?
[23:36] <lops> ok, it's call activity indicator x)