[00:01] <daftykins> happy December everyone! :D
[00:01] <shauno> but it gets quite naggy when that happens :/
[00:01] <penguin42> daftykins: Time flies hey
[00:01] <daftykins> sure does
[00:02] <shauno> china need something like nasa-tv :/
[00:02] <daftykins> i kinda feel bad because this is my first Christmas in my new place, so i don't own any decorations or anything
[00:03] <shauno> I haven't put decorations up since I left home.  it just feels kinda phoney with no family around
[00:05] <shauno> I just volunteer to work christmas each year, then suck up the overtime while playing the martyr
[00:05] <daftykins> :)
[00:06] <daftykins> yeah doing something in the house by myself would be very weird
[00:08] <shauno> seems china were due to launch a lunar lander this evening.  surprisingly difficult to find anything that says whether it launched or not
[00:09] <daftykins> :o
[00:10] <shauno> I had no idea they had a space station either, albiet not a permentantly manned one.  between them, and india launching a mars mission, this new space race is surprisingly quiet
[00:12] <daftykins> i didn't even know anyone was doing anything
[00:13] <shauno> that's what I mean.  all we ever hear about is the ISS.  which is neat and all, but the stuff no-one's talking about is quite neat too
[00:18] <daftykins> ah ok
[00:25] <daftykins> ok bed time nn \o
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[07:03] <mungbean> fail
[07:05] <MartijnVdS> g'morning
[07:07] <mungbean> hello
[07:08] <mungbean> i dont think the army of a certain country should be sending me flight details of their secret misiions
[07:12] <MartijnVdS> hmm, oops?
[07:22] <mungbean> know anything about these guys? http://www.hostinger.co.uk/
[07:24] <MartijnVdS> never heard of them
[08:07] <mungbean> distrowatch have donated $400 to the linux mint project. interesting
[08:15] <chalcedony> nice
[10:14] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:39] <dwatkins> hiya
[10:53] <brobostigon> hi dwatkins
[12:08] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[12:09] <brobostigon> afternoonings bigcalm
[12:11] <bigcalm> Oh dear
[12:12] <brobostigon> ?
[12:13] <penguin42> the realisation that it's already afternoon?
[12:25] <bigcalm> Yes
[12:26] <brobostigon> overslept?
[12:26] <bigcalm> Over lived
[12:26] <bigcalm> Have been up since early
[12:26] <brobostigon> ah.
[19:01] <diddledan> quiet in here today
[19:02] <shauno> wasn't me
[19:05] <diddledan> shauno: are you shur??
[19:05] <diddledan> heck it's been so quiet that your mention of the chinky moon mission is still onscreen
[19:08] <shauno> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgZslWEQZHY   :)
[19:08] <diddledan> I like the "this way up" symbol
[19:09] <diddledan> by eck that's acceleration
[19:09] <penguin42> diddledan: I'd assumed that it was just the Federation
[19:10] <shauno> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Aerospace_Science_and_Technology_Corporation
[19:10] <diddledan> penguin42: I thought that first
[19:11] <shauno> we can't have a federation, US law still blocks nasa from working with china
[19:12] <shauno> although given china's "fine, we'll make our own space station", I'm not sure what they think they're protecting; seems that ship's already sailed
[19:13] <penguin42> so they can't work with China on ISS?
[19:14] <shauno> bingo
[19:14] <penguin42> wow - didn't realise that, I'd assumed since they were working with Russia then they would work with China as well
[19:14] <diddledan> so much for it being "a shining light in the darkness"
[19:14] <diddledan> or was that babylon5?
[19:15] <shauno> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Space_Station#China
[19:17] <diddledan> I like that russia were "invited" after america couldn't get into space no more
[19:17] <shauno> well there's quite a gap of time in the middle of that narative, the first component of the ISS was russian
[19:18] <diddledan> I wonder how that conversation went: "would you like to join our historic effort to create the ISS? oh, btw, we need you to ferry our astronuts"
[19:19] <diddledan> I've got to the end of the launch video but I didn't see it break down at all. are the chinese not as funny as the koreans?
[19:20] <diddledan> I was hoping for a massive explosion at the least
[19:21] <shauno> but it is quite awkward that russia are already working on their replacement for the ISS (OPSEK), china have the tiangong program, and the west has .. pretty much run out of money
[19:22] <diddledan> who's gonna be the first to put nukes on one?
[19:23] <diddledan> turn it into an orbital bombardment platform?
[19:23] <penguin42> ^gonna^was ?
[19:23] <shauno> I'm pretty sure there's already reactors up there, which is kinda scary
[19:23] <penguin42> there are?
[19:24] <moreati> shauno: nothing beyond radio isotope themal generators  (RTGs) as far as I know
[19:24] <diddledan> heh, if they fall out of orbit while also melting-down. that would be "interesting"
[19:25] <diddledan> how to irradiate the entire planet in one misguided endeavour
[19:25]  * penguin42 must remember to lead-line his hard hat
[19:25] <moreati> penguin42: fortunately lead does double duty, so you can tak out the tin foil ;)
[19:25] <diddledan> lol
[19:26] <penguin42> moreati: Nod!
[19:26] <diddledan> I hungy
[19:26] <diddledan> the thought of irradiated planet kinda makes one crave food
[19:27] <diddledan> I'm not sure how the thought process goes there tho
[19:28] <moreati> food that glows in the dark is easier to pick/catch, increased availability leads to increased consumption.
[19:29] <shauno> and 12ft bunnies can feed a whole village
[19:29] <moreati> Ergo we should irradiate all crops and livestock, increase world food production and solve the global recession
[19:30] <diddledan> that sounds like a plan
[19:39] <shauno> still think it's a bummer they can't all work together.  if china are going to the moon, and india are going to mars - the capability is already there.  we're not really protecting anything by refusing to share our toys anymore
[19:43] <penguin42> shauno: In a way this might help them, because it might be they can get to the point of being allowed to work with things they've demonstrably already done
[19:44] <diddledan> I'm not sure the chinese want a saturnV
[19:44] <diddledan> I'm sure theirs is much better
[19:45] <diddledan> heck it probably runs a real computer rather than a halft-of-a pocket calculator
[19:45] <diddledan> half*
[19:45] <shauno> I guess I worry that once they catch up, what's in it for them to work together? if they carry on with the same budget they'll just blast past us
[19:46] <diddledan> shauno: cold war
[19:46] <penguin42> literally
[19:46] <diddledan> it's happened before, it'll happen again
[19:46] <diddledan> just different parties involved
[19:46] <penguin42> will that kick the US to start doing more though?
[19:46] <shauno> right, but how did the cold war end?  russia couldn't afford to stay in the race
[19:46] <diddledan> it might
[19:47] <shauno> so it does look eerily familiar, except we're the ones struggling this time
[19:49] <diddledan> as long as when the memory implanting becomes commonplace it is actually possible to "get [my] ass to mars" I'll be happy
[19:50] <MartijnVdS> popey: Doctor Who-themed CaH cards: http://imgur.com/a/F25su
[19:50] <shauno> diddledan: might need bigger rockets
[19:51] <diddledan> shauno: that's mean :-p
[19:51] <diddledan> just because I'm of the larger persuasion doesn't mean you are allowed to mention it
[20:05] <diddledan> is it me, or (the CaH cards - black ones at the bottom) is the answer to each of those can easily be "anne widdecombe"? (for better or worse)
[20:06] <diddledan> e.g. "the voice chip of one of the cybermen has malfunctioned. instead of saying delete is now says..."
[20:06] <diddledan> and "there's a new dance on gallifrey, it's called the..."
[20:07] <diddledan> that one is scary after watching strictly come dancing last year
[20:07] <dogmatic69> anyone skilled in open shot video editor? looking to make a clip that is 20 seconds play for 30 seconds, eg stretch it a bit
[20:07] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: "it now says.. "-- "Eggs"
[20:08] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: "it's called the .." -- "Robot Anne Robinson"
[20:12] <ali1234> dogmatic69: i know how to do that in blender...
[20:12] <ali1234> but it's really difficult to explain
[20:13] <ali1234> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTA7KI2xB-c
[20:14] <ali1234> also you might be able to do it with ffmpeg/avconf with just one command
[20:14] <dogmatic69> blender is good?
[20:14] <ali1234> yeah, blender is very good, but it's really hard to use
[20:14] <dogmatic69> ah, see its like autocad :D
[20:15] <ali1234> it's like autocad, 3d studio, and after effects all rolled into one
[20:17] <diddledan> oh the lolz. I just saw an email conversation in my gmail from the hantslug. the senders are listed as "Edward, James" so all we need now is for someone called "Olmos" to post and we've recreated Bill Adama
[20:17] <diddledan> ali1234: it may be like each of those all mushed into one. but it's also none of them in terms of usability :-p
[20:18] <diddledan> I did manage to get a smattering of use out of it years ago. but have since forgotten it all
[20:19] <ali1234> after effects isn't exactly easy to use
[20:28] <GentileBen> Is Blender used by the top pros, though?
[20:28] <GentileBen> I remember it used to be used for amateur/easy game development back in the day.
[20:28] <diddledan> GentileBen: unfortunatly it's rare
[20:28] <GentileBen> Like 10 years ago.
[20:29] <diddledan> GentileBen: it's got all the functionality required for a top-level production, but nobody gives it the time-of-day in industry afaict
[20:32] <diddledan> their latest "open movie": http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Z4C82eyhwgU
[20:40] <diddledan> my favourite of their movies though has to be sintel - it actually has a really good bitter-sweet story
[20:45] <diddledan> the previous to that episode 2 (it seems this llama is part of a series) is here : http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JOhiWY7XmoY
[20:46] <diddledan> here's my favourite (sintel)though: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=eRsGyueVLvQ
[20:47] <diddledan> they really went to town on sintel making a 15 minute masterpiece
[20:51] <MartijnVdS> is sintel the weird one?
[20:51] <diddledan> no that's "elephants dream" <-- note the absense of the apostrophe, that's a feature
[20:52] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: ah.. yes
[20:59] <shauno> my head is so broke.  trying to clone a wordpress install onto localhost so I can work on some modification.  and it's so broken I can't understand how it's working on the live site
[20:59] <diddledan> shauno: did you sed the database dump?
[21:00] <shauno> oh it's broken before I even try to import anything
[21:00] <diddledan> oh
[21:00] <diddledan> hmm
[21:02] <shauno> I can understand why it's broken.  what I can't understand is why Live isn't broken too lol .. http://pastebin.com/zwSCVsBH
[21:02] <shauno> (look for "<= This is line 4044")
[21:06] <diddledan> shauno: that's on line 4120 for me
[21:06] <diddledan> as part of a comment
[21:06] <shauno> yeah, something's stealing chunks of files.  awkward
[21:06] <diddledan> o_O
[21:07] <diddledan> usually when I develop locally I install a fresh wordpress from .org
[21:08] <shauno> I just grabbed the most recent backup, so this probably means they've got a whole stack of unusable backups
[21:08] <diddledan> that's worrying
[21:09] <diddledan> I've got my sites backed up onto s3
[21:09] <shauno> ahhh here we go.  either wget is being broken on ftp, or one of the machines has bad timestamps
[21:10] <diddledan> o_O
[21:11] <shauno> most the files come back with "Remote file no newer than local file" or "Remote file is newer than local file".  but some are returning "The sizes do not match (local 36747) -- retrieving."
[21:11] <shauno> which then does "REST 36747 ... done." to 'top up' the local copy with the end of the new copy
[21:12] <popey> Evening all
[21:13] <shauno> so wget thinks the timestamps match, but the contents don't, and assumes it's partially retrieved
[21:17] <shauno> I'm not touching that one.  I'll just grab a fresh copy and let them know the backups aren't viable.
[21:23] <diddledan> do they not zip their backups into a single easy-to-manage ifle?
[21:24] <shauno> yes and no.  they pull it off via ftp and then zip it.  because the host is a grumpy old man who won't change anything that "works"
[21:28] <diddledan> I'm not going to say it
[21:29] <shauno> oh I already have
[21:31] <diddledan> we're guilty of not verifying we can restore from backup, thoiugh, also :-/
[21:31] <diddledan> although our backups are vmlevel rather than site-level
[21:32] <diddledan> we have a very complex multi-layered drbd setup
[21:32] <diddledan> it's vastly overengineered for the job while at the same time completely broken
[21:34] <popey> hmm
[21:34] <popey> GTA5 advertisment that it's 30 quid in Game
[21:34] <popey> http://www.game.co.uk/ currently down
[21:34] <popey> coincidence?
[21:34] <popey> \o/ back
[21:35] <diddledan> their ec2 system probably just launched a load more instances
[21:35] <popey> its painfully slow
[21:35] <popey> New: 29.99
[21:35] <popey> Pre-owned: 37.99
[21:35] <diddledan> autoscaling is awesome
[21:37] <diddledan> our boss-likes need to realise that <insert cloud here, probably aws> is in fact worth the money
[21:37] <diddledan> I came across ecoqloud yesterday - interesting
[21:38] <diddledan> they're ec2 and s3 api-compatible
[21:38] <diddledan> the loadbalancer however doesn't cost any extra
[21:38] <GentileBen> I saw the most horrible thing in the Metro paper the other day.
[21:38] <GentileBen> A full-paged advert for a joint McFly and Busted tour - McBusted.
[21:39] <GentileBen> I haven't yet recovered.
[21:39] <diddledan> yeah, my sis-in-law wants to go to that
[21:39] <diddledan> my brother will probably convince her to let him go to the rugby instead
[21:58] <diddledan> don't you love when spammers obviously can't use their "clicky clicky spam everyone" tool?
[21:58] <diddledan> the latest, an email I received with the URL malformed
[21:58] <diddledan> and no it isn't an attempt to bypass filters
[22:27] <GentileBen> diddledan, it sounds like an excellent punishment option.
[22:27] <GentileBen> McBusted, that is.
[22:30] <diddledan> it really is idiocy involved. I've posted the content here: http://bowlhat.net/2013/12/lovespam/
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[22:30] <diddledan> sorry about that, I was fighting my wordpress
[22:30] <diddledan> GentileBen: lol
[22:31] <diddledan> GentileBen: it's an excellent punishment for when someone gets McBusted doing something they shouldn't - advertisement: "if you get McBusted, get McBusted!"
[22:35] <daftykins> Oh deary, took apart my mums cheap as anything laptop to do something about the temperatures - but the gap between the heatsink plate and the processor is bridged by a thick thermal pad only. The replacement arctic silver it seems doesn't bridge that gap D:
[22:36] <diddledan> use some wadded paper
[22:37] <diddledan> (maybe I should caveat my humour?)
[22:37] <diddledan> on the plus side, the fire will keep her knees warm
[22:38] <daftykins> :)
[22:38] <daftykins> ah it hit 100 deg and promptly powered off ;D
[22:38] <diddledan> ouch
[22:38] <daftykins> so we won't get that dramatic
[22:38] <diddledan> that's nice and toasty
[22:38] <daftykins> just means i gotta take it apart, clean off the AS5 and put the pads back
[22:38] <daftykins> sure is! i'd imagine there's not enough pressure
[22:40] <diddledan> really tho, who the heck builds a heat sink that doesn't touch the thing it's supposed to be sinking heat from? (albeit with a bit of paste to improve conductivity)
[22:41] <daftykins> well i think the key part here was the thickness of the thermal pads
[22:41] <daftykins> so it was *working* albeit not well
[22:46] <daftykins> diddledan: to top it off, i had to deform the shape of the thin metal chassis to the keyboard in prying it out, as it was GLUED to the shell
[22:46] <daftykins> thankfully all the keys still work
[22:46] <daftykins> though it's not a very flat keyboard anymore XD
[22:46] <daftykins> laptop was like £230 new, super simple MSI thing :D
[23:25] <daftykins> fixed with 1 of 2 thermal pads, but still toasty
[23:25] <daftykins> squeezing the plate onto the chips has the temp drop a few degrees ^_^
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[23:46] <daftykins> err
[23:46] <daftykins> ok