[06:06] <Kilos> morning superfly and others
[06:09] <superfly> hi Kilos 
[10:22] <Kilos> hi psychicist 
[10:23] <psychicist> hi Kilos 
[12:17] <charl> whow slow morning
[12:17] <charl> hi Kilos, psy
[12:17] <charl> oh he's not around
[12:42] <kbmonkey> hello
[12:44] <kbmonkey> hi superfly, how did the potjie turn out?
[12:51] <kbmonkey> hello Kilos 
[12:51] <kbmonkey> hi charl 
[13:04] <charl> hi kbmonkey 
[13:11] <superfly> kbmonkey: it was pretty awesome, if I may say so myself
[13:50] <Kilos> hi charl kbmonkey 
[13:51] <charl> hi Kilos 
[17:21] <Kilos> oh my, we getting min again
[17:22] <Kilos> Maaz: forecast pretoria
[17:22] <Maaz> Kilos: Saturday: Clear. High: 30° C., Saturday Night: Partly Cloudy. Low: 17° C., Sunday: Thunderstorm. High: 26° C., Sunday Night: Chance of a Thunderstorm. Low: 17° C., Monday: Chance of a Thunderstorm. High: 27° C., Monday Night: Chance of a Thunderstorm. Low: 17° C., Tuesday: Chance of a Thunderstorm. High: 26° C., Tuesday Night: Chance of a
[17:22] <Maaz> Thunderstorm. Low: 17° C., Wednesday: Partly Cloudy. High: 31° C., Wednesday Night: Partly Cloudy. …
[18:29] <Kilos> wbb
[18:38] <inetpro> wb Kilos
[18:38] <Kilos> ohi inetpro ty
[18:39] <Kilos> just upgraded my kde and installed that oracle java thingie
[18:39] <Kilos> where is the rain man
[18:39] <inetpro> ai!
[18:39] <Kilos> what ai!
[18:39] <inetpro> that java thingy is a waste
[18:40] <Kilos> i need it to open that antenna design tool
[18:40] <Kilos> how do you open it
[18:40] <inetpro> stupid programmers that force you to install that java
[18:42] <Kilos> inetpro, can you open that button
[18:42] <Kilos> http://fermi.la.asu.edu/ccli/applets/yagi/yagi.html
[18:42] <Kilos> near the top on the left
[18:42] <inetpro> probably not without installing java
[18:42] <Kilos> oh thats fine then
[18:43] <inetpro> and the relevant plugin
[18:43] <Kilos> thought you maybe had a workaround
[18:43] <Kilos> technology has gone forward in leaps and bounds
[18:44] <Kilos> designing and building antenna used to be major work now that tool does it for you
[18:44] <Kilos> not the building part though
[18:53] <inetpro> Kilos: the way they do it on that website is outdated
[18:54] <Kilos> wow is there an even better way
[18:54] <inetpro> java on the browser is full of holes
[18:54] <Kilos> oh the java
[18:54] <Kilos> i just want to build a yagi man
[18:55] <Kilos> serious  design work for a 20 element yagi
[18:55] <inetpro> that page was last modified on Wed 08 Aug 2007 23:02:55 SAST
[18:55] <inetpro> not saying it can't work
[18:56] <inetpro> and at the bottom of the page it even says  July 1, 2000 
[18:56] <Kilos> normally when things dont get modified or improved then that is a working goodie
[19:00] <Kilos> just need to get some insulating material to mount all the elements on the aluminium shaft then hopefully i can use some of the 10g wifi data you get with 8ta bundles
[19:01] <Kilos> all 21 need to be exactly the same size though, thats the difficult part
[19:09] <inetpro> Kilos: you really want this to catch the free telkom wifi?
[19:09] <Kilos> yeah
[19:09] <inetpro> ai!
[19:09] <Kilos> what?
[19:10] <inetpro> I don't think you'll even detect that signal
[19:10] <Kilos> im getting like you
[19:10] <Kilos> 2+1 isnt enough anymore for 2 months
[19:10] <inetpro> unless there's a wifi tower very close to your house, but I doubt
[19:11] <Kilos> i just dunno how far the yagis can see but it boosts signal in and out not like with an amp
[19:11] <inetpro> 10gb is not even enough for me
[19:11] <Kilos> there is one between 6 and 7 ks from here
[19:12] <Kilos> i said im getting
[19:12] <Kilos> you just ahead
[19:12] <inetpro> have you tried connecting with your device close to the tower?
[19:13] <Kilos> i got a wifi adapter card for the pc
[19:14] <Kilos> so cant go look. need to work from here and maybe use aircrack to find if the yagi will reach'
[19:15] <inetpro> Kilos: what about that other device of yours?
[19:16] <Kilos> oh the router?
[19:16] <inetpro> that motorola or what was that?
[19:16] <inetpro> tablet
[19:16] <Kilos> that gives lekker wifi here in the house
[19:16] <Kilos> oh thats sisters man
[19:16] <Kilos> i dont like android stuff
[19:16] <inetpro> yes but you can use it to test man
[19:17] <Kilos> it can see the next door neighbours wifi
[19:17] <Kilos> and my pc and router
[19:17] <inetpro> go to a known Telkom FreeWifi Location and test
[19:17] <inetpro> then move around and see how far you can receive the signal
[19:17] <Kilos> no man i cant play with her stuffs. she scared i break it
[19:18] <inetpro> I bet you it will not be much further than a 100m if that at all
[19:18] <Kilos> ya thats with the tablet
[19:18] <Kilos> do you know the power of a yagi
[19:18] <Kilos> dont you have one for your mobile?
[19:19] <Kilos> the external antenna
[19:19] <inetpro> it just improves the existing signal by 10db if you are lucky
[19:19] <Kilos> 17db
[19:19] <inetpro> if there is no signal to boost then you are out of luck
[19:19] <Kilos> 20 element is a major yagi
[19:20] <inetpro> ja ja
[19:20] <inetpro> proove it to me first
[19:20] <Kilos> if i can get line of site ill get the signal im sure
[19:20] <inetpro> haha
[19:20] <Kilos> can even build a 40 element 
[19:20] <inetpro> Kilos: we are talking about wifi
[19:20] <Kilos> yes
[19:21] <inetpro> and I bet you they have not implemented long range wifi
[19:21] <Kilos> same principle with antenna
[19:21] <inetpro> wifi goes 20m
[19:21] <Kilos> even got a design for a helical that can see satelites
[19:21] <Kilos> no man
[19:22] <Kilos> thats with the built in dipole antenna
[19:22] <Kilos> antennas are lekker to play with
[19:23] <Kilos> mobile signal is at 950m or so and wifi at 2.4gig
[19:57] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight