[00:02] <ali1234> ok
[00:05] <ochosi> it also installs a new xfconf property "cycle_tabwin_mode" with which you can switch between the normal view (0) and the list view (1)
[00:12] <ali1234> so where's the branch?
[00:14] <ochosi> in git.xfce
[00:15] <ochosi> http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfwm4/log/?h=ochosi/tabwin
[00:19] <ali1234> well the first thing i notice is that when i mouse over the tabwin two things look selected, which is confusing
[00:22] <ali1234> i created "cycle_tabwin_conf" but it doesn't work
[00:22] <ochosi> well themes will take care of that
[00:23] <ochosi> e.g. if you use the tabwin-branch of greybird, you'll see a different hover-color between the mouse and keyboard selection
[00:23] <ochosi> (a meaningful difference i think)
[00:23] <ochosi> ali1234: but i said "cycle_tabwin_mode", not conf
[00:24] <ali1234> still doesn't work
[00:26] <ochosi> i had to build with --prefix=/usr and install it
[10:47] <knome> pleia2, ping me when you're around
[10:47] <knome> hey elfy 
[10:49] <elfy> hi knome 
[15:29] <knome> elfy, got your mail. i'll read it after i've de- and reassembled a shelf and then i'll PM you
[15:31] <elfy> lol
[15:32] <elfy> no rush - if you rush you'll lose a screw ;)
[15:35] <knome> heh, no screws included in the task
[15:35] <knome> but i'm stuck nonetheless, i have no idea how i should disassemble that
[15:35] <knome> or should i say, no ikea
[15:35] <knome> ;)=
[15:39] <elfy> I'll lend you this - disassembles most things ... http://eagleapex.com/wp-content/uploads/IMG_7175.JPG
[15:40] <knome> hah, yeah, though the idea is to use that shelf after i've disassembled it...
[18:20] <pleia2> knome: morning
[18:28] <knome> good day pleia2 :)
[18:28] <knome> now if i only remember what it was...
[18:29] <pleia2> hehe
[18:53] <ochosi> elfy: could you please review/test these new instructions and if they work, please send another email to the ML about the new page? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Trusty/Gtk3Indicators
[18:53] <elfy> lol - I was just typing a question out about that ... 
[18:53] <ochosi> hope we can get someone to copy all the different packages to a single PPA soon
[18:54] <elfy> I'll look tomorrow at that lot 
[18:54] <ochosi> and actually the indicator-plugin would be nice if it were also in a PPA finally
[18:55] <ochosi> micahg: could you help with "consolidating" these instructions? (i.e. copy lionel's packages to your PPA or to a new PPA together with libxfce4ui and ideally also the indicator-plugin) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Trusty/Gtk3Indicators
[18:55] <elfy> ochosi: one question - will I be able to just do that and it work over what I've got here already? that is the gtk3 stuff installed from the previous wiki version?
[18:56] <ochosi> you can uninstall the panel (simply go to the folder you installed it from and run "sudo make uninstall"), same for libxfce4ui
[18:56] <ochosi> then add the PPAs from step1 and run step2 and you should be fine
[18:56] <elfy> ok
[19:40] <ochosi> hey Noskcaj 
[19:41] <Noskcaj> hey ochosi 
[19:43] <Noskcaj> can someone help me fix a build issue in gthumb? Some extensions aren't getting installed
[19:43] <Noskcaj> https://mentors.debian.net/package/gthumb
[20:01] <ochosi> Noskcaj: if you're out of work ever, you could help with "consolidating" packages in a single PPA for testers: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Trusty/Gtk3Indicators
[20:02] <ochosi> currently there's one pkg in micahg's ppa and one in mr_pouit's ppa
[20:02] <ochosi> )and one is still missing)
[20:02] <Noskcaj> i've got to put some symbols in the flac package, then i'll do that
[20:05] <ali1234> ochosi: have a loot at this: https://github.com/ali1234/panel-switch
[20:05] <ali1234> the DBus interface for xfconf is quite simple
[20:06] <ali1234> the most complicated thing is dealing with the GVariant type
[20:06] <ali1234> this code doesn't deal with it, but it almost works
[20:06] <ali1234> it's just that it turns everything like int, bool, array into type string - which breaks the panel really bad
[20:07] <ali1234> but in general this way should work
[20:07] <ali1234> it also needs to kill the panel before doing the load
[20:08] <ali1234> (if you run load.py it will delete your panel config btw)
[20:14] <Noskcaj> ochosi, What are the PPA i should be looking at?
[20:15] <knome> Noskcaj, doesn't the wikipage you were pasted tell that?
[20:16] <Noskcaj> whoops, didn't see that page
[20:20] <Noskcaj> I think all the gtk3 stuff should be in a ~xubuntu-dev PPA, so i'll leave this for someone else
[20:22] <ali1234> it probably would be if it was packaged
[20:22] <ali1234> the indicator plugin still lacks a working package anywhere
[20:24] <Noskcaj> ali1234, Would the 2.1.0 release be enough?
[20:24] <ali1234> of indicator-plugin?
[20:24] <Noskcaj> yeah
[20:26] <ali1234> no, we need master
[21:16] <knome> elfy, heh, so, i'm ready with the disassembling now
[21:16] <knome> elfy, (and reassembling)
[21:16] <knome> elfy, let me read those pads first and then get back to you
[21:29] <knome> elfy, are you around?
[21:29] <elfy> for a short while still
[21:29] <knome> ok, cool
[21:29] <knome> i'll PM
[21:30] <elfy> ok
[22:01] <ochosi> andrzejr: hey there! would you mind doing another point-release of the indicator plugin? that'd help us quite a bit with testing (we can also use git master though, not sure what your current release-policy is)
[22:02] <ochosi> heh, well that's also an answer :)
[22:03] <elfy> LOL
[22:03] <ochosi> ali1234: i'll take a look at your panel-config repo now
[22:04] <ochosi> so isn't there a way you can querey the type of the properties?
[22:06] <ochosi> very nice though, the code is still quite short
[22:18] <ochosi> andrzejr: i guess you missed my comment from before, just ping me whenever you're around
[22:22] <andrzejr> ochosi, ping
[22:25] <ochosi> andrzejr: pong
[22:25] <ochosi> i wanted to ask you, would you mind doing another point-release of the indicator plugin?
[22:26] <ochosi> it'd help us with testing it (although our testers can arguably also test with git-master)
[22:26] <ochosi> not sure what your release-policy/model is at the moment, but without the latest changes in git, it doesn't properly work for the current indicators
[22:29] <andrzejr> ochosi, I'm doing it now (I have seen Nosckcaj's question). I was waiting for necessary changes to be merged into xfce4-panel master (ideally, with a development release but that may take some time)
[22:29] <ochosi> ah, cool
[22:29] <ochosi> yeah, makes sense
[22:30] <ochosi> i'm very happy nick merged it...
[22:33] <andrzejr> release already in git, now making preparing an announcement
[22:34] <ochosi> thanks a lot!
[22:47] <andrzejr> done
[22:51] <ochosi> nice, already received the release-mail