[00:41] <Guest58267> I'm having a lot of trouble getting Xubuntu to load from a usb on my UEFI Gateway LT41p netbook
[00:41] <Guest58267> I've read a ton of materials and nothing seemed to have worked.  Any way to get my system to boot from USB?
[00:44] <GridCube> Guest58267, it depends on the uefi
[00:44] <bekks> Guest58267: Disable safe boot, set boot order to usb.
[00:45] <Guest58267> I did that bekks, and it still boots to Windows8, I disabled safe boot, fast boot, theres no option for legacy bios
[00:45] <Guest58267> When I go to select boot device, the only option present is Windows Boot Manager
[00:49] <Guest58267> Any ideas on how to get it to boot usb?
[00:57] <Guest58267> Anybody?
[00:58] <xubuntu299> Hi
[02:18] <Megabyte> Hello, guys
[02:18] <Megabyte> I've downloaded safe-rm
[02:18] <Megabyte> but... it is not working... I created a test folder on my drive and tried to delete it, and it was successful
[02:18] <Megabyte> (as a regular user, naturally)
[03:54] <xubuntu285> helo
[03:55] <xubuntu285> ?
[03:56] <holstein> xubuntu285: do you have a question?
[03:57] <xubuntu285> hi yes i have been trying to get multi-touch working on the synaptics touchpad on Xubuntu,
[03:58] <xubuntu285> i cannot get the touchpad detected,,,,}
[03:58] <holstein> xubuntu285: it works out of the box for me.. are you sure the touchpad is functional?
[03:59] <xubuntu285> yes it works like a regular mouse, bur i wanted to get the two-inger scrolling working..
[04:00] <holstein> xubuntu285: so, the touchpad is detected then? what is not detected?
[04:01] <holstein> xubuntu285: what exactly are you trying to make happen? i have 2 finger scroll, and depending on the hardware, i get a few more features
[04:02] <xubuntu285> device shows as "Virtualbox mouse integration" - i want two finger scrolling, but it doesnt work.
[04:03] <holstein> xubuntu285: if its a guest, it might not
[04:03] <holstein> xubuntu285: xubuntu is virtualized? what are you trying to enable?
[04:04] <xubuntu285> i am running Xubuntu in a VM on a Win7 box.
[04:04] <holstein> xubuntu285: it may not pass through from the host like that
[04:05] <holstein> xubuntu285: as far as xubuntu is concerned, you are using an actual mouse on a machine somewhere that is called "virtualbox".. not a synaptics touchpad
[04:05] <Poisoned_Dragon> I don't even know if win7 does two-finger scrolling.
[04:05] <holstein> xubuntu285: have you enabled/installed the guest additions?
[04:06] <xubuntu285> yes i have the latest version of virtualbox and the guest addtions
[04:06] <Poisoned_Dragon> So, if Win7 doesn't, and Win7 is the host, it probably won't work in any OS in VM.
[04:07] <xubuntu285> on win7 is works fine. it is a hp notebook and comes with a synaptics driver utlity
[04:07] <holstein> xubuntu285: this is a virtualization issue.. this will not be solved by troubleshooting enabling 2 finger scolling with a synaptics touchpad.. your question should be "enabling 2 finger scrolling from win7 host to xubuntu guest"
[04:08] <holstein> xubuntu285: this is not a synaptics device to xubuntu.. its a virtualized device
[04:08] <xubuntu285> ok i see. i will try to search around that issue. thanks for your help.
[06:19] <temp-name0> I need to edit the xorg.conf file. How to do that w/ Ubuntu?
[07:50] <xubuntu007> how can I add indicator-messages on the panel?
[07:51] <xubuntu007> sorry
[08:01] <baizon> xubuntu007: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Saucy/Gtk3Indicators
[08:02] <xubuntu007> ty baizon  i'll try that
[11:42] <arpad2> how can be some programs' autostart altered?
[11:44] <arpad2> in 'Session and Startup' menu I don't see those programs which start automatically after login
[11:47] <krytarik> arpad2: And which are those?
[12:16] <pjotter> Hi people! Just wanted to ask a question here about the xfce desktop
[12:17] <pjotter> Iḿ having this problem with the Trash. It seems that everytime I log in or restart the computer, the trash is shown to be empty in thunar. Even though there are items in it.
[12:19] <pjotter> Sometimes it helps to close thunar and restart it. Sometimes, thunar will then show the trash to be full and I can go ahead and empty it. But most of the time, thunar indicates that it is empty and I can't empty it. That option is grayed out.
[12:19] <pjotter> The only way to get it working again is to create a 'dummy file' and put it in the trash. Then, alloversudden. Everything works fine again.
[12:20] <pjotter> Has anybody else noticed this behaviour in Xubuntu?
[12:23] <well_laid_lawn> pjotter:  I've had that previously. I would just rm ~/.local/share/Trah/*
[12:23] <well_laid_lawn> pjotter:  I've had that previously. I would just rm ~/.local/share/Trash/*
[12:24] <pjotter> That could be a solution. Although it is pretty annoying that you can;t rely on the trash to give you the right information about it's status.
[12:25] <well_laid_lawn> yep. There's something else going on. iirc a later update fixed things
[12:26] <well_laid_lawn> might pay to see if someone in #xfce has a clue
[12:26] <pjotter> What update was that? I keep my Xubuntu up to date. But the problem still persists.
[12:27] <well_laid_lawn> it was a while ago I had that issue
[12:27] <well_laid_lawn> maybe a year or so
[12:28] <pjotter> Ok. Well I just installed a new Xubuntu 12.04, upgraded to xfce 4.10. Ran all updates but still have this problem.
[12:29] <well_laid_lawn> I never found a solution or worried about it too much. If it bothers you enough trying the xfce channel might get you a solution
[12:31] <pjotter> Well, like I said.. Putting something in the trash seems to normalise the problem. I might have a script run at startup that does just that. Maybe that will 'fix' it?
[12:31] <well_laid_lawn> more like a workaround but sure, do that
[12:31] <well_laid_lawn> luck
[12:31] <pjotter> 'K Thanks :)
[13:19] <xubuntu903> bonjour
[13:20] <krytarik> !fr | xubuntu903
[13:20] <krytarik> Other than that, bonjour. :)
[13:20] <xubuntu903> sorry
[13:43] <pjotter> hi there
[13:45] <pjotter> Just to let you know. The workaround worked. Just run a script at startup that creates a dummy-file in the trash and immediately delete it will 'fix' the trash problem. It's not a very nice 'fix', but for the time being it will do.
[13:45] <cfhowlett> pjotter, (and I NEVER suggest this) sounds like a bug report might be in order
[13:45] <pjotter> I think so too
[13:46] <knome> let me make sure; you are running 12.04 with the 4.10 PPA?
[13:47] <pjotter> I'll double check
[13:47] <knome> because in that case, you shouldn't file a bug report...
[13:48] <pjotter> Yes, that is my setup
[13:48] <pjotter> Why shouldn't it be reported as a bug?
[13:48] <knome> the 4.10 PPA is provided as-is, with no promises of it working or not
[13:48] <pjotter> Ok, I see.
[13:48] <knome> if the bug appears without that, then please file it
[13:48] <pjotter> I'm not sure if this problem didn't already occur before the upgrade though
[13:49] <knome> we have the new LTS incoming soon (in april) too
[13:49] <pjotter> I know. Looking forward to it! :D
[13:51] <pjotter> In the next day I will be installing another clean 12.04 on another computer. I will check to see if the problem occurs.
[13:51] <knome> ok, thanks, and good luck
[13:52] <pjotter> I think it is this bug: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9006
[13:53] <pjotter> Ok. So it appears. But upgrading to xfce 4.10 will (appearently) cause the bug to reappear?
[13:54] <knome> i have no idea, but that's completely possible
[13:54] <pjotter> I'll test it in a few days.
[13:54] <knome> cheers
[13:54] <pjotter> Itś not really a 'big' thing
[13:55] <pjotter> In meanwhile, the my 'fix' seems to work fine.
[13:55] <cfhowlett> pjotter, yeah, but that does need to be fixed.
[13:55] <Poisoned_Dragon> I use 12.04 with the 4.10 ppa. seems fine for me.
[13:55] <knome> cfhowlett, my point is, it might be an anomaly of using 12.04 with the xfce 4.10 package.
[13:55] <knome> s/package/PPA/
[13:56] <cfhowlett> ^^^^ point taken
[13:56] <Poisoned_Dragon> my only occasional issue is a broken pipe at boot and being dumped to tty.
[14:00] <Poisoned_Dragon> I just reboot and it's fine
[14:00] <pjotter> You can test it by doing: 1)Make sure something is in the trash 2) restart Xubuntu 3) Open Thunar. At this point my thunar always reports zero items in trash. 4) restart thunar. At this point thunar -sometimes-  reports there are items in the trash.
[14:01] <knome> if any of you are interested in helping us out, see http://xubuntu.org/news/help-us-test-xubuntu-14-04-lts/
[14:03] <pjotter> Poisoned_Dragon: I'm on an amd64 system. Is yours also amd64?
[14:04] <Poisoned_Dragon> No, I'm using 12.04 on an pentium M. 32bit.
[14:05] <Poisoned_Dragon> an=a
[14:05] <pjotter> Ok. Sometimes bugs appear to be limited to only one architecture. Maybe in this case also. I don't know.
[14:06] <pjotter> I have two amd64 systems. So I wouldn't know if the bug also appears on a 32 bit system.
[14:07] <Poisoned_Dragon> you can install a 32bit os on a amd64 processor. That could be a good way to test it.
[14:08] <Sh1G3rU> pjotter,  do you have any removable devices pluged in when the trash has items in it?
[14:09] <pjotter> Just one USB. But there a no items in the trash that originate from that USB
[14:10] <Sh1G3rU> pjotter,  every device actually has his own "trash" can, plug the device in and empty trash
[14:10] <Sh1G3rU> and you are done
[14:11] <pjotter> It was already pugged in. But I will see if it changes anything to the problem I'm experiencing.
[14:12] <Sh1G3rU> well you can try and restore the files, and see where they lead. usually are removable devices or external hdd
[14:13] <pjotter> I'm not sure how that relates to the problem I have?
[14:14] <pjotter> I must logout/in. brb...
[14:16] <pjotter> Ok, the problem seems not to be related to the USB. It makes no difference wheter it is plugged in or not.
[14:21] <Sh1G3rU> pjotter,  do you actually have files on trashcan??
[14:22] <pjotter> Yes
[14:22] <Sh1G3rU> now go to the trash , right click on one of the files
[14:23] <Sh1G3rU> an properties
[14:23] <Sh1G3rU> pjotter,  check for original path
[14:23] <pjotter> ok
[14:23] <pjotter> it's ok
[14:24] <pjotter> paths are correct
[14:24] <Sh1G3rU> what does it say
[14:24] <pjotter> It just gives the original path to where the files were located
[14:25] <Sh1G3rU> empty trash
[14:26] <pjotter> done
[14:26] <pjotter> Trash shows 'empty trash icon'. No files in trash.
[14:26] <pjotter> But this is not really what my problem is about
[14:27] <Sh1G3rU> now remove any usb/removable hdd you have there and logout/login again
[14:27] <pjotter> The trash is working properly. The only thing that is going wrong is when you just startup your computer. The tras is then always shown as 'empty'. Even if there are files in it.
[14:28] <Sh1G3rU> i see
[14:28] <pjotter> Sh1G3rU: I already did that, and it didn't make any difference. Trash still shows up 'empty' after startup, even when trash contains files.
[14:28] <pjotter> But it seems this is a known bug: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9006
[14:29] <Sh1G3rU> i see
[14:29] <pjotter> The only thing they are not aware of is that this bug seems to be back again in xfce 4.10
[14:30] <Sh1G3rU> how many users do you have on that pc
[14:30] <Sh1G3rU> ?
[14:30] <pjotter> I have yet to test the beta 14.04 version to see if the bug is there also.
[14:30] <pjotter> one
[14:31] <pjotter> Well two, if you count root
[14:31] <Sh1G3rU> do you have any scripts/apps that send file to the trash with different credentials?
[14:31] <pjotter> no
[14:32] <pjotter> It's a pretty much 'out-of-the-box' Xubuntu 12.04 installation. Only thing I did was uypgrade to xfce 4.10
[14:34] <pjotter> For some reason, the system always 'thinks' that there are no files in trash at startup. Even when there are. If you put a dummy file in the trash and then delete it agina (from trash) the situation seems to be normalised and thunar reprts the correct status of the trash (wheter it be full or empty)
[14:34] <Sh1G3rU> it never happened to me
[14:34] <pjotter> Are you also on a 32 bit system?
[14:34] <Sh1G3rU> yes
[14:34] <pjotter> Ok. Then that might be the reason
[14:35] <pjotter> Maybe this bug only appears in the amd64 version
[14:35] <Sh1G3rU> are you an a 64 bit system?
[14:35] <pjotter> Yes
[14:37] <Sh1G3rU> try applying that patch it seems to fix that
[14:39] <pjotter> I tried. But it didn't work for me.
[14:39] <pjotter> O wait.. you mean the path (I thought you meant the workaround given there)
[14:40] <pjotter> Iḿ not sure how to apply such a patch?
[14:41] <pjotter> Does it involve recompiling Xubuntu or something?
[14:46] <pjotter> That is something I have been wanting to know for some time. Evey once in a while you come across 'a patch' for some bug. But how does one go about applying such a patch?
[14:51] <enrico__> hi guys, I'm having issues with an USB mixer (belkin tunestudio), it looks like xubuntu doesn't detect it
[14:55] <xubuntu309> Hi
[15:00] <krytarik> pjotter: Yes, that'd involve recompiling.
[15:01] <krytarik> Btw, you really mean the -desktop- icon of the trash?
[15:02] <pjotter> I was afraid someone would say that :) Everytime I engage in such a project, it usually ends up in completely having to reinstall Xubuntu again.
[15:02] <pjotter> No, it's all icons actually
[15:02] <pjotter> I have disabled my desktop trash icon
[15:02] <pjotter> And added one to one of the panels
[15:03] <krytarik> Because that always involve different packages, the bug report you linked to is for 'xfdesktop'.
[15:03] <krytarik> *involves
[15:04] <pjotter> But I tested t. They all exibit this behaviour. Although I found that sometimes. The desktop trash icon will show 'empty', while the panel-trash-icon will show full. So there is also something funny going on there.
[15:04] <krytarik> It's like I just said. :)
[15:05] <pjotter> Ok, so there is no bug filed for Xubuntu yet?
[15:06] <krytarik> You file bug reports against specific packages, not distros.
[15:07] <syeekick> hey
[15:08] <pjotter> So there is no bug report on this specific bug in connection to xubuntu yet?
[15:09] <pjotter> To what package does Trash belong to?
[15:10] <krytarik> As I said, you'd have to be very specific, and then you can search on Launchpad for any existing bug reports.
[15:16] <krytarik> pjotter: You need to distinguish between the actual trash, which is handled by Thunar, and the various ways to represent it.
[16:44] <Megabyte> Hi
[16:44] <Megabyte> I tried to set my portable usb drive permissions to mode=0755, and it seems they are ignored
[16:46] <Megabyte> Never mind. Umask works.
[16:57] <Antimattercarp> Is their any way I can troubleshoot frequent unresponsiveness?
[16:58] <Antimattercarp> To the point where a hard reboot is necessary?
[17:00] <Antimattercarp> I am on xubuntu 12.04 I think
[17:01] <Antimattercarp> I am almost a total noob with linux
[19:07] <wannaNIX> hi guys, where do I check for why a fresh install of Xubuntu hangs?
[19:07] <wannaNIX> booted up from a hiren's and mounted the hdd
[19:10] <wannaNIX> just a few pointers please
[19:22] <pjotter> I'm a complete noob in these things but I isn't there a 'safe mode' somewhere just before booting? You may be able to boot it that way and hopefully see what the problem was using the logs?
[19:22] <bekks> !nomodeset
[20:06] <holstein> wannaNIX: i test the hardware.. i use live CD's to test and/or repair the file system.. basically, the same as you would for any OS
[20:19] <arca0> hi everyone, I'm having a problem with some weird graphical artifacts while using an Intel Mobile 4 Series integrated card.
[20:19] <arca0> these artifacts appear at sides of windows in xfce on 13.10
[20:20] <well_laid_lawn> are you using the compositor?
[20:20] <arca0> it's a default xfce setup - I haven't changed any settings so im not sure
[20:21] <arca0> oh yes, I switched it off now
[20:21] <well_laid_lawn> see if that helps
[20:21] <arca0> looks like they're still here but I'll see on new windows
[20:23] <arca0> yeh, it's still here - these only appear occasionally - mainly with firefox it seems
[20:24] <holstein> you could try forcing the vesa driver to remove the module in use from the equation
[20:25] <arca0> well, that's an option
[20:26] <arca0> although it's sad - it worked so well just a release ago :(
[20:27] <holstein> could be a backport that adds support back into the kernel.. assuming that is the issue, which you could test by using a vesa driver.. i would have also tested without flash, if that is the case, if firefox is literally the only thing causing the issue, and that is indeed during flash video playback
[20:28] <arca0> oh no, I'm not using flash and it's not only firefox - happens very occasionally with terminal too
[20:28] <arca0> plus fonts get weird artifacts as well
[20:28] <arca0> (if that might be a hint)
[20:29] <holstein> i think the best hint would be, under a different driver, you have no artifacts
[20:29] <holstein> i would also look for and apply all upgrades, in case a fix has come through
[20:30] <arca0> I have updated. and I've also run xubuntu 13.10 on this laptop with the amd gfx card active instead of the integrated one and it ran without artifacts
[20:30] <holstein> arca0: there are PPA's (which are not officially supported) for those dual gpu cards.. i would say, that is the issue.
[20:31] <arca0> ok thanks, I'll check them out then :)
[20:32] <holstein> arca0: might be a bug for that.. usually the intel sides are supported out of the box
[20:33] <arca0> yea it was running very smoothly until this update - that's why i disabled hybrid/dual and ceased to use amd entirely - it was very buggy
[20:34] <holstein> arca0: try booting the last kernel and testing
[20:34] <holstein> arca0: when you said "default setup, i havent changed anything" that wasnt implying to me that an upgrade broke it
[20:35] <holstein> arca0: if everything was fine, you did an upgrade and a kernel upgrade came in, and now this is happening, test with the last kernel.. that is likely the issue
[20:35] <arca0> oh sorry, I've been using xubuntu 13.04 but did a fresh install of 13.10
[20:35] <holstein> arca0: you can tap shift at boot, and get to the kernel list
[20:35] <arca0> so it was not technically an update ;)
[20:35] <arca0> sorry for the confusion
[20:36] <holstein> arca0: i would try from a live CD for 13.10.. to make certain this is nothing in the version upgrade
[20:36] <holstein> arca0: i would try as a diffrent user to make sure its nothing in the user config
[20:37] <arca0> holstein: good points - anything else you could suggest? I'd get to it immediately
[20:37] <holstein> arca0: other than looking for xorg logs, not really
[20:38] <arca0> holstein: ok thanks - I'll get to it and try to find what's wrong - thanks very much for your help
[20:38] <holstein> arca0: good luck!
[20:39] <arca0> cheers and laters :)
[21:19] <wannaNIX> holstein: i checked syslog and it errored something about all the partitions (made in windows), deleted the partition table and remade it in ext4 and swap, then didn't know what to look for next... still freezes on boot
[21:23] <holstein> wannaNIX: i try live CD's, but i have my data backed up, incase i need to reinstall. i would test a live CD, then you will be able to test the hard drive and memory.
[21:29] <wannaNIX> holstein: live cd doesn't work also (xubuntu 13.10) freezes the whole pc at the ~same point
[21:30] <wannaNIX> downloading ubcd now...