[07:26] <soee> good morning
[07:35] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:42] <Shrikee> Hi. I have a simple question about the KDE implementation of Kubuntu. ALmost everywhere on the internet you can read about how OpenSuSe's KDE implementation is the best... how to interpret that? That it has the best out of the box theme? That it has the least KDE bugs? Does OpenSuSe patch KDE in a way that Kubuntu does not get? So could that happen, that for example a program crashes on Kubuntu, but not on OpenSuSe?
[09:46] <soee> i dont think it will crash on Kubuntu :) For example OpenSuse integrates Firefox so it could look and work good with KDE
[09:54] <Shrikee> I'm on Kubuntu 13.10 now and I don't see any difference using Firefox right now.
[10:07] <soee> Shrikee, i think opensuse is/was better distro for new users
[10:07] <soee> as they had some easy installers, extra apps etc
[10:08] <soee> though, for me Kubuntu is the best KDE distro :)
[10:09] <Peace-> i have tried every damned archlinux-like and archlinux with kde 
[10:09] <Peace-> ... they just doesn't work well as kubuntu
[10:09] <Peace-> don't*
[10:10] <Peace-> opensuse .. bah i don't like how it is organized 
[10:10] <Peace-> expecially repository
[10:10] <Peace-> i think debian -debian like it's the best
[10:11] <Peace-> so kubuntu it's what i am using since 6 years
[10:12] <Peace-> Shrikee: :) kubuntu with my own settings http://wstaw.org/m/2013/12/02/plasma-desktopZZ2114.png
[10:19] <soee> my Kubuntu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qf229jR5jTs
[10:19] <soee> its bug report but you have overal view
[10:21] <Peace-> soee: don't like left bar i prefer this , i use kwinbuttons btw  , http://wstaw.org/m/2013/12/02/plasma-desktopKr2114.png
[10:23] <soee> Peace-, yup had that to but i work a lot on laptop (the movie also was from lap) so i need more vertical space than horizontal
[10:23] <Peace-> i am on laptop too :)
[10:23] <soee> thats why i have panel on the left side and application menu switched to show on the top screen edge not in app
[11:24] <shadeslayer_> yofel: soee is QA for Saucy done?
[11:24] <shadeslayer_> should I backport to Precise?
[11:24] <Riddell> ooh I should install for saucy
[11:25] <soee> shadeslayer_, QA ?
[11:25] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: precise packages are up there just need poked in the right direction
[11:25] <Riddell> soee: fancy name for testing :)
[11:25] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: ah I see
[11:25] <soee> shadeslayer_, yup update was smooth :)
[11:25] <shadeslayer_> awesome
[11:27] <apachelogger> rdieter: any clue how/if fedora supports plugin install (flash) in firefox
[11:32] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: nepomuk-core missing for precise?
[11:38] <yofel> shadeslayer_: saucy running fine
[11:38] <yofel> except for my kgpg issue which I still need to report a bug for
[11:39] <yofel> Riddell: could you possibly look at bug 1256710 when you have time please?
[11:39] <yofel> I can't update kde-workspace in saucy until that's in
[11:39] <yofel> erm, s/saucy/trusty/
[11:40] <apachelogger> modified desktop
[11:40] <apachelogger> Committed revision 1247. 
[11:40] <apachelogger> 14.04 is now using firefox.
[11:40] <yofel> kubotu: order cookies for apachelogger
[11:40]  * kubotu slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to apachelogger.
[11:40] <apachelogger> someone tell phoronix, quick :P
[11:41] <jussi> apachelogger: more importantly, someone write an article for Kubuntu wire :D
[11:41] <apachelogger> no
[11:41] <apachelogger> one must obey the trello card
[11:41] <apachelogger> the trello card divides between implementation and publication :P
[11:41] <apachelogger> also no wire mentioned btw https://trello.com/c/M5jFkU98
[11:45] <soee> are going to push 4.11.97 for saucy backports or are you waiting for precise to be ready ?
[11:46] <Riddell> yofel: will do
[11:46] <Riddell> soee: saucy beta not backports
[11:47] <soee> hmm
[11:47] <soee> so in backports land only final release not RC ?
[11:56] <Riddell> soee: right, we don't want to give people beta software without their knowledge
[11:58] <apachelogger> s/beta/rc :P
[12:19] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:20] <soee> hi BluesKaj 
[12:22] <BluesKaj> Hi soee
[12:30] <hsitter> kubuntu-meta updated for firefox transition
[12:30] <soee> so firefox is now preinstalled on 14.04 ?
[12:31] <hsitter> yes, well, in tomorrow's ISO build ;)
[12:31] <jussi> soee: seems like it. now you just have to write an article for kubuntu wire to tell everyone :D
[12:31] <soee> :-)
[12:32] <hsitter>   Uploading kubuntu-settings_14.04ubuntu4_source.changes: done.
[12:32] <hsitter> Successfully uploaded packages.
[12:32] <hsitter> gotta wait for ISO build to see whether we need to tweak our ISO content to make it fit
[12:33] <hsitter> otherwise transition complete
[12:33] <hsitter> also needs integration QA
[12:33] <hsitter> we certainly need some solution for plugin installation
[12:34] <Peace-> hsitter: ? preinstalled firefox ??
[12:34] <Peace-> hsitter: but rekonq was not the default browser?
[12:34] <hsitter> sure it was
[12:35] <Peace-> now it' sfirefox  i mean the default browser?
[12:35]  * Riddell sheds a tear
[12:35] <Peace-> xD
[12:35] <Peace-> Riddell: poor Riddell :P
[12:36] <hsitter> we could have gone back to konqueror
[12:36] <hsitter> sandsmark would have liked that I guess xD
[12:36] <Peace-> i like konqueror too but firefox it's the best :P 
[12:37] <soee> Peace-, nooo :)
[12:37] <Peace-> soee: :PPPPPPPPPP
[12:37] <soee> javascript parsing Chrome/Chromium > all
[12:37] <hsitter> javascript is evil
[12:37] <Peace-> soee: yes but i don't like google spyware ;D
[12:37]  * Peace- uses chromium
[12:37] <Peace-> hahahha
[12:38] <soee> so do i :) 
[12:38] <soee> QT -> Qupzilla
[12:38] <Peace-> btw i have seen that in archlinux chromium *seeems* faster , opening , 
[12:38] <hsitter> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=327723
[12:38] <BluesKaj> chromium is ok , just not for large sdens
[12:39] <BluesKaj> screens
[12:39]  * BluesKaj cleans his KB
[12:39] <Peace-> BluesKaj: mm i ahve 24 screen but i guess you have a bigger screen 
[12:39] <Peace-> and chromium is good here
[12:40] <BluesKaj> Peace-. I use our 42' plsama TV
[12:40] <Peace-> but to get it i need to wait 10 seconds ~
[12:40] <Peace-> BluesKaj: i knew it :D
[12:40] <BluesKaj> 42"
[12:41] <BluesKaj> I'll be using a lenovo laptop soon ...give the TV a rest 
[13:10] <hsitter> yofel: piiiing
[13:10] <hsitter> yofel: what do you think about moving the qtwebkit build inside the qt5 build?
[13:11] <hsitter> there are disalignment issues right now with most modules being at 5.2.0 but qtwebkit alrady being at 5.2.1 such that qtwebkit doesn't want to build because of missing deps
[13:24] <shadeslayer_> hsitter: I think that means redoing the versioning for Qt5
[13:24] <shadeslayer_> because of that OOM bug that we hit long ago causing us to do 2 separate builds
[13:25]  * BluesKaj thinks about dual booting on the laptop , no experience with UEFI
[13:25] <hsitter> shadeslayer_: already did that a while ago
[13:25] <BluesKaj> oops wong room
[13:25] <BluesKaj> wrong
[13:25] <hsitter> alas, if qtwebkit causes OOM all of qt OOMs
[13:25] <shadeslayer_> ^^
[13:26] <hsitter> another option would be to have builder create a source from qt5/qtwebkit (such that we know it is at the rigth commit - but still build it independently)
[13:26] <Riddell> hi DanChapman 
[13:27] <hsitter> that'll require refactoring though as I don't think builder currently allows control over cache objects like that
[13:27] <DanChapman> hi there Riddel o/
[13:31] <hsitter> shadeslayer_: hm, or maybe not ... for some reason I have url as editable property so you could init a cache with git://qt5.git and then change the url to git://qt5.git/qtwebkit before export
[13:31] <hsitter> that's cheating my bad design choice there xD
[13:32] <shadeslayer_> :D
[13:33] <hsitter> also relies on export not doing cache minipulation as obviously the new url is not actually a repository; however that would be silly to begin with so I guess it makes sense to some degree
[13:33]  * hsitter plays with that a bit
[13:40] <hsitter> srcCache.exportDirectory = "qtwebkit" # Only export the qtwebkit subdir.
[13:40] <hsitter> magic
[13:42] <soee> BluesKaj, dual booting ?
[13:42] <BluesKaj> soee. yes , I'm thinking about it 
[13:44] <BluesKaj> the laptop should be delivered either today or tomorrow , so I'm giving some thought to the best course of action 
[13:45] <soee> BluesKaj, -> #kubuntu
[13:46] <hsitter> added qtwebkit.rb
[13:46] <hsitter> Committed revision 22.
[13:46] <hsitter> shadeslayer_, yofel: going to try creating a standalone qtwebkit from builder's qt5 meta repository
[13:54] <hsitter> yofel: builder is now using gzip :P
[14:08] <hsitter> qtwebkit upload seems to have been successful waiting for builds to finish
[14:08] <hsitter> build now happens the same day as qt (saturday)
[14:11] <yofel> oh thanks :)
[14:12] <yofel> hsitter: I'm fine with qtwebkit in qt5 - as long as you're fine with the qt5 build taking a few hours longer
[14:13] <hsitter> or never finish xD
[14:14] <yofel> ^^
[14:14] <hsitter> markey: is the taglib reader for APE from taglib or amarok?
[14:17] <hsitter> nevermind
[14:17] <hsitter> ewww
[14:17] <hsitter> Riddell: taglib in saucy is rather outdated
[14:17] <hsitter> got 1.8, upstream is at 1.9
[14:17] <hsitter> and apparenlty 1.9.1 fixes a top crasher in amarok's collection scanner
[14:17] <hsitter> :S
[14:19] <hsitter> TagLib 1.9 Release - October 6, 2013
[14:19] <hsitter> hm
[14:19] <hsitter> ok that was rather close to release
[14:21] <hsitter> whoopsie-preferences                     
[14:21] <hsitter> This program must be run as root.
[14:21] <hsitter> meh
[14:21] <hsitter> welcome to the 90's
[14:32] <hsitter> sooooooooooo
[14:33] <hsitter> there's whoopsie which apparently is the daemon collecting crashes, then there is whoopsie-preferences that apparently controls what is sent with a nice dbus interface to polkit it, hoorayz
[14:33] <hsitter> how to tie that into drkonqi is a mystery to me xD
[14:41] <hsitter> doesn't need any ties apparently
[14:42] <shadeslayer_> /o\
[14:42] <shadeslayer_> why are packages waiting on boost 1.54 in precise
[14:42] <hsitter> precise had boost 1.54? Oo
[14:45] <shadeslayer_> hsitter: no, but the hooks were supposed to downgrade boost versions 
[14:47] <shadeslayer_> hsitter: you're creating snapshots from the stable branch?
[14:47] <shadeslayer_> for Qt
[14:47] <hsitter> yes
[14:48] <shadeslayer_> hsitter: be prepared for plasma-framework failiures
[14:48] <hsitter> already got those :P
[14:48] <shadeslayer_> possibly build from release instead?
[14:49] <shadeslayer_> ah heh
[14:51] <hsitter> shadeslayer_: no, kde needs fixy :P
[14:51] <shadeslayer_> okay
[14:51]  * shadeslayer_ nominates hsitter
[14:51] <shadeslayer_> I'd nominate the doctor but he seems to be busy with Clara
[15:05] <mitya57> tsdgeos: hi, what was the reason for ABI break in poppler 0.24.4?
[15:06] <tsdgeos> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/poppler/poppler/commit/?h=poppler-0.24&id=ebe49d597a62aa94601c2e4595dbad1895ea7ef0
[15:07]  * mitya57 should have read the diff more carefully
[15:07] <mitya57> tsdgeos: thanks!
[15:37] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: I see what you mean about arm64 being a pain
[15:37] <shadeslayer_> :)
[15:37] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: I think your precise backport has gone wrong
[15:38] <shadeslayer_> half the things are missing?
[15:38] <shadeslayer_> nepomuk-widgets for eg
[15:38] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: oh possibly
[15:39]  * Riddell looks
[15:40] <shadeslayer_> nepomuk-core wasn't uploaded as well
[15:40] <shadeslayer_> boost hasn't been seded out, etc etc
[15:41] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: did you copy over the hooks from stable to unstable ? :)
[15:42] <Riddell> found some non uploaded packages
[15:42] <Riddell> no I don't think I did
[15:43] <shadeslayer_> explains why the deps are all weird
[15:43] <yofel> the hooks are missing, and kdesc-packages-precise-unstable-backport.txt
[15:43] <yofel> which would be the trusty list minus pykde
[15:43] <Riddell> I just did it quickly as I went out the door
[15:44] <Riddell> I can do it properly now
[15:56] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: are you re doing the upload?
[15:57] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: for precise yeah I'll get that going
[15:57] <shadeslayer_> awesome
[15:57] <Riddell> I should also move saucy packages to kubuntu-ppa/beta
[15:57] <shadeslayer_> I could do that
[15:57] <shadeslayer_> from ninjas right?
[15:58] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: ^^
[16:00] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: yep
[16:00] <Riddell> oh wait
[16:00] <shadeslayer_> ?
[16:01] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: no it's fine, go for it
[16:01] <shadeslayer_> running script
[16:22] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: did your improvements to the kubuntu docs site template get in?
[16:27]  * Riddell blogs http://wire.kubuntu.org/?p=82
[17:16] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: thoughts on killing kgraphviewer?
[17:17] <shadeslayer_> actually wait
[17:18] <shadeslayer_> last commit was 6 months ago
[17:18] <shadeslayer_> so maybe still alive
[17:19] <Riddell> what's up with it?
[17:20] <shadeslayer_> cant find graphviz for some reason
[17:44] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: yofel do you guys know about the kde-workspace cannot find freetype issue?
[17:45] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: yep, I just uploaded a fix from yofel 
[17:45] <Riddell> to trusty
[17:45] <shadeslayer_> cool
[17:57] <shadeslayer_> great, I'm hitting bugs in graphviz
[17:57] <shadeslayer_> http://paste.kde.org/peaa96563
[17:58] <shadeslayer_> /usr/include/graphviz/types.h:49:20: fatal error: cgraph.h: No such file or directory
[18:04] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: in where?
[18:05] <Riddell> jussi: going to finish your kubuntu wire post?
[18:05] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: pardon?
[18:07] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: Riddell: ovidiu-florin did your improvements to the kubuntu docs site template get in?
[18:08] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: in where?
[18:09] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: in the bzr archive and on the website
[18:10] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: Nim loves that Romanian liqueur by the way, she says they had loads of it when she was in Romania
[18:11] <ovidiu-florin> Nim?
[18:12] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: I've only modified https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/Installation/DiskSetup
[18:12] <ovidiu-florin> should I have done something else?
[18:12] <ovidiu-florin> I don't see any instalation guide in the docs site
[18:15] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: Nim is my girlfriend
[18:16] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: didn't you change the page style as well?
[18:17] <ovidiu-florin> not sure what yo mean by page style. I've changed the forward and back links at the top and bottom of each installation step page
[18:18] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: I think Riddel is talking about the 3d header style. You where the one who made that right?
[18:18] <lordievader> Would be pretty sweet to see it on docs.kubuntu.org :D
[18:18] <ovidiu-florin> the part that says "Back to the Kubuntu Docs page, or forward to the Disk Setup step. "
[18:19] <ovidiu-florin> ?
[18:21] <ovidiu-florin> lordievader Riddell ^
[18:23] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: I remember you posting a screenshot of it with more shadows
[18:23] <Riddell> if I'm making this up then ignore me
[18:23] <ovidiu-florin> aaaaa
[18:23] <lordievader> The 3d'ish one, right Riddell?
[18:23] <ovidiu-florin> now I know what you're talking about
[18:24] <ovidiu-florin> no, that's not up yet
[18:24] <ovidiu-florin> le me check it's status
[18:24] <Riddell> ok just didn't want to have missed it
[18:24] <ovidiu-florin> my friend Cosmin worked on it
[18:25] <ovidiu-florin> the same guy that did the download acordeon
[18:25]  * Riddell out
[18:27] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: kgraphviewer has completely changed
[18:27] <shadeslayer_> uhm actually
[18:28] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: libgraphviz has completely changed
[18:28] <shadeslayer_> kgraphviewer needs to be ported
[18:41] <shadeslayer_> dafuq?
[18:41] <shadeslayer_> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+build/5292512
[18:41] <shadeslayer_>  4:4.11.97-0ubuntu1~ubuntu12.10~ppa2 
[18:41] <shadeslayer_> 12.10?>
[18:42] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: ^^
[19:01] <ovidiu-florin> I've downloaded and modified lp:~jr/+junk/kubuntu-docs-downloader. what do I do now? Do I upload it to my account and ask for a pull?
[19:06] <shadeslayer_> ovidiu-florin: yep
[19:06] <ovidiu-florin> I'm still confuzed with bzr. How do I do that?
[20:12] <ScottK> DMB just created a Qt5 packageset with Mirv and kubuntu-dev as initial uploaders.
[21:03] <lordievader> Hey ahoneybun 
[21:03] <ahoneybun> lordievader: hey
[21:03] <lordievader> ahoneybun: How are you?
[21:06] <ahoneybun> lordievader: good looking forward to the ubuntu fl loco meeting today
[21:07] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Have fun. About the LVM thing, it may take a while since I'm not planning on messing with my server before the new year.
[21:07] <ahoneybun> lordievader: that's cool
[21:08] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Oke, great.
[22:05] <Darkwing> How is everyone?
[22:06] <Riddell> Darkwing: I'm awesome
[22:07] <Darkwing> It's been a while.
[22:07] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: oh rollocks, off by 0.6
[22:08] <Riddell> bug 1256525 seems something we should care about
[22:08] <xnox> did that happen..... before, during or after KDE SC mega uploads spree?
[22:11] <Riddell> xnox: just a report from a random tester so I'm not sure but it could well be to do with the current KDE SC not yet all being done
[22:12] <xnox> Riddell: has all of SC migrated yet?
[22:14] <Riddell> xnox: no there's still a few that need poking but various important parts migrated in today so it might well be fixed in tomorrow's ISO
[22:28] <ahoneybun> hey Darkwing