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| pitti | Good morning | 05:42 |
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| ogra_ | pitti, hmm, so i'm maintaining my cdimage branches on a precise desktop ... it uses python-mock ... and apparently uses tests that use the trusty python-mock, do you plan to SRU this ? | 14:06 |
| ogra_ | (so i can go on testing the branch on an LTS) | 14:07 |
| pitti | ogra_: err, sorry, context/ | 14:07 |
| pitti | ? | 14:07 |
| ogra_ | http://paste.ubuntu.com/6508783/ | 14:07 |
| pitti | ogra_: i. e. SRU what? | 14:07 |
| ogra_ | thats what i get when running the self tests under precise | 14:07 |
| ogra_ | pitti, python-mock changes | 14:07 |
| pitti | ogra_: so apparently python-mock 0.7 doesn't yet know this syntax | 14:08 |
| ogra_ | right, thats what i mean | 14:08 |
| pitti | ogra_: if you want them to work under precise, I suggest you use the 0.7 API (which hopefully is forward compatible)? | 14:08 |
| ogra_ | do you plan to backport such stuff for people developing on the LTS | 14:08 |
| pitti | ogra_: why me, specifically? | 14:08 |
| pitti | also, we don't generally SRU new versions | 14:08 |
| ogra_ | isnt python-mock your child ? | 14:08 |
| pitti | we can certainly ask for a backport | 14:08 |
| pitti | ogra_: no, it's not; I guess you mean dbusmock :) | 14:09 |
| ogra_ | i know how to work around that, but was wondering about others that use LTS versions for developing tip branches of newer stuff | 14:09 |
| pitti | ogra_: anyway, python-mock is fairly isolated, so we can build it as backport or put it into a PPA or something if needed | 14:09 |
| rbasak | ogra_: I've hit the same issue, FWIW. But I didn't think that new features were SRU-able in this way. Annoyingly this means that I can't run tests as part of a package build for a precise target. | 14:12 |
| ogra_ | well, you can run them in a trusty chroot | 14:12 |
| ogra_ | just forces you to maintain two branches or to bind mount it into the chroot or some such | 14:13 |
| pitti | or just change the tests to split the command into two, and set mymock.return_value explicitlY? | 14:13 |
| rbasak | I can, but that's no good when the final target is the cloud archive on precise. Though we may be able to backport python-mock there; I'll have to check. | 14:13 |
| pitti | (that syntax works with older p-mock) | 14:13 |
| pitti | that seems like the least painful approach | 14:14 |
| pitti | it's indeed nice to be able to run tests on precise to ensure that all deps are there, and the actual code doesn't use anything from newer pythons, etc. | 14:14 |
| ogra_ | it requires that upstreams have that self discipline though | 14:16 |
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| Saviq | rsalveti, ping | 14:51 |
| rsalveti | Saviq: pong | 14:52 |
| Saviq | rsalveti, hey man, I've a .crash with... a LOT of question marks | 14:52 |
| Saviq | rsalveti, I'm starting to think it's crashing on android side - do you have any pointers on getting some useful data out of there? | 14:53 |
| mitya57 | cjwatson: Can you please check why wxwidgets3.0 still isn't getting auto-synced? The conflicting binary package has been dropped from wxwidgets2.8 in -proposed. | 15:01 |
| rsalveti | Saviq: sure, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Core/UbuntuDebugAndroid | 15:02 |
| rsalveti | Saviq: easier if you have the android build locally, let me know if you don't, then I can provide the lib with debug symbols | 15:03 |
| rsalveti | once you check it with maps | 15:03 |
| Saviq | rsalveti, it's the first time I'm doing it, so no, I don't have anything | 15:03 |
| rsalveti | Saviq: ok | 15:04 |
| Saviq | rsalveti, it's unity8... it's going to have everything in its maps... | 15:04 |
| Saviq | rsalveti, any way to reduce the scope? | 15:04 |
| rsalveti | Saviq: but checking the stack trace, you should be able to find the first maps that brings the ??? | 15:05 |
| rsalveti | and the related library | 15:05 |
| Saviq | rsalveti, here's the .crash, what should I be looking at? http://paste.ubuntu.com/6509647/ | 15:06 |
| rsalveti | let me check | 15:07 |
| xnox | mitya57: i filed a bug about it. basically wx-common binaries need removal, and a sync forced. | 15:07 |
| xnox | mitya57: cause at the moment wx-common binary has "ubuntuX" suffix version in -release pocket. And wxwidgets2.8 cannot migrate without new wx-common from 3.0, which can't be synced because of the first reason =) | 15:07 |
| mitya57 | I expected the autosyncer to look at -proposed | 15:08 |
| xnox | mitya57: so someone with archive admin powers needs to stab it =) i hope infinity or cjwatson will get around to doing it. | 15:08 |
| rsalveti | Saviq: the stack seems to be in the ubuntu side, maybe opening the core dump with gdb to check | 15:08 |
| mitya57 | xnox: OK | 15:09 |
| ogra_ | Saviq, we got a new glib exactly that day the install is from | 15:09 |
| xnox | mitya57: well it can't, because -proposed is an overlay (e.g. there is no way to tell between wx-common binary dropped in -proposed, vs wx-common is at *ubuntuX version at the moment) | 15:09 |
| ogra_ | well, not exactly ... but its definitely using the new one there | 15:09 |
| xnox | mitya57: -proposed & -release are merged and then compared. | 15:09 |
| xnox | mitya57: from archive point of view there "wx-common is fully migrated to release pocket" =) | 15:10 |
| mitya57 | Right. | 15:12 |
| Saviq | ogra_, shall I try in the previous image then? | 15:27 |
| ogra_ | well, might make sense to do some comparison | 15:28 |
| ogra_ | Saviq, http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/20131129.2.changes | 15:28 |
| Saviq | ogra_, will do, thanks | 15:28 |
| ogra_ | thats the respective change set | 15:28 |
| Saviq | rsalveti, yeah, there's just no more symbols I can think to install to get anything - it's all ??s | 15:30 |
| Saviq | rsalveti, in gdb, too | 15:30 |
| rsalveti | Saviq: have the dump somewhere I can take a look? | 15:33 |
| hakermania | If I have uploaded an earlier version of my application and thus I had a sponsor for it, should I contact him for a new version of the app and a new library not in the repos which is a dependency of this new version of the application? | 15:40 |
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| xnox | mitya57: interesting I got accept from wxwidgets3.0 source =/ it's now in bin new. | 16:01 |
| xnox | mitya57: \o/ | 16:01 |
| mitya57 | xnox: \o/ | 16:05 |
| zyga | mhall119: do you know who manages irc cloaks for ubuntu members? | 16:31 |
| mhall119 | zyga: #ubuntu-irc if I remember right | 16:31 |
| zyga | are there any ubuntu developers from ukraine present here? | 16:59 |
| happyaron | cjwatson: can you have a look at this merge request when you have time? https://code.launchpad.net/~penghuanmail/ubiquity/lp.1197220/+merge/195712 | 17:08 |
| mitya57 | zyga: I'm not aware of any Ukrainian Ubuntu developers. | 17:11 |
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| ScottK | balloons: DMB time. | 19:03 |
| ScottK | Sorry | 19:03 |
| ScottK | barry: DMB time. | 19:03 |
| shadeslayer_ | doko: I don't suppose you're aware of some sort of porting guide that allows me to port an application from graphviz 2.26 to 2.34 | 19:22 |
| shadeslayer_ | doko: currently stuck on http://paste.ubuntu.com/6510818/ | 19:24 |
| ryao | Does Ubuntu place mount and umount into /bin? | 20:15 |
| ryao | Nevermind. happyaron helped me. Long story short, I am writing an upstream patch and I wanted to be certain that it worked on Ubuntu. | 20:24 |
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| smoser | anyone have an example of a service that does not have an upstart job ? | 21:16 |
| smoser | ie, sysvinit only ? | 21:16 |
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| JanC | smoser: I think maybe apache & postgres? (I would have to check the latest packages though) | 21:22 |
| xnox | smoser: apparmor profiles, x11 common - in the default install. | 21:22 |
| smoser | JanC, apache2 seems good. | 21:23 |
| smoser | fwiw, this is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sysvinit/+bug/1257036 | 21:23 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 1257036 in sysvinit (Ubuntu) "services started with eatmydata should remove eatmydata by default" [Medium,Confirmed] | 21:23 |
| smoser | hm.. | 21:45 |
| smoser | so that bug above, i assumed was present | 21:45 |
| smoser | but it seems that most services clean their own environment | 21:45 |
| smoser | (tested so far postgress, apache2, postfix) | 21:45 |
| smoser | if i'm going to make cloud-init install packages by default with libeatmydata | 21:46 |
| smoser | should i fix this even thought it seems that most packages don't need the help ? | 21:46 |
| stgraber | cjwatson: I just uploaded a merge of LTSP and a sync for LDM, I think you were technically TIL for those two because of small arm64/d-i fixes, I hope you don't mind (I wrongfully assumed that I was TIL on both ;)). | 22:02 |
| xnox | smoser: hm, would cloud-init leak LD_PRELOAD to e.g. juju / user logged-in session? ( i guess not, since cloud-init is managed by upstart). If it doesn't leak it, no need to fix "service" command since it's environment is clean. | 22:05 |
| xnox | invoke-rc.d should be enough. | 22:06 |
| smoser | xnox, you're right in that service is enough in that case. | 22:06 |
| smoser | but fixing service *also* is a more genericly safe path. | 22:07 |
| kees | slangasek, tyhicks: apparmor 2.8.0-2 uploaded to Debian with multiarch and dh(1). | 23:14 |
| xnox | \o/ | 23:14 |
| tyhicks | kees: nice! :) | 23:15 |
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