[00:36] <cwayne> mhall119: hey, the Layouts API docs seem to be missing a lot of images (http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-1.0/UbuntuUserInterfaceToolkit.ubuntu-layouts5/)
[00:39] <pr0teus> hey, there's a vmware to test ubuntu-touch?
[01:03] <mhall119> cwayne: any qdocs that linked to local images aren't working, I have a work item for it, but need to figure out how do make it work across multiple app instances without worrying about getting them out of sync
[01:04] <mhall119> pr0teus: there's an emulator, but it's not vmware
[01:04] <cwayne> mhall119: ah, makes sense
[01:04] <mhall119> pr0teus: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Emulator
[01:06] <mhall119> cwayne: our internal cloud has a file storage option (Ceph I think) that will likely be used for both imported and community uploaded images
[01:11] <cwayne> that sounds reasonable :)
[01:11] <cwayne> pl
[01:12] <cwayne> oops, wrong window
[01:16] <pr0teus> mhall119: coldnt find "apt-get install android-emulator" installing android-tools-*
[01:28] <nhaines> pr0teus: are you running Ubuntu trusty like the page says?
[01:28] <mhall119> pr0teus: if you're not on Trust, you can download the .deb from Launchpad: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+files/android-emulator_20131128-0457-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[01:28] <mhall119> I did that to install it on Saucy
[01:29] <mhall119> rsalveti: ^^ any change we can get the android-emulator for Saucy in the SDK PPA?
[01:32] <mhall119> s/change/chance/
[01:44] <pr0teus> nhaines: no i'm running 13.04
[01:44] <pr0teus> mhall119: thanks
[01:45] <pr0teus> but i'll test 14.04 in vmwware now also =) lets check the changes
[01:46] <nhaines> pr0teus: remember, an emulator in an emulator is infuriating.  :)  Also, once you get it set up, let it run for a while.  Might take up to 5 minutes for the graphical interface to pop up.  That's normal.
[01:47] <pr0teus> nhaines: ok =) i'm excited to test, thinking that ubuntu will converge to one user experience in all devices...
[01:48] <nhaines> It's an exciting future, isn't it?  :)
[01:50] <pr0teus> nhaines: yup =) but i fear we will be locked to brands =/
[01:50] <pr0teus> nhaines: right now if you have an ipad and a mac, you should buy an iphone, because they interact awesome
[01:50] <pr0teus> so in the close future we will be choosing samsung x microsoft x apple
[01:51] <pr0teus> for our whole environment
[01:51] <nhaines> Thanks to the need for good MTP support for Ubuntu on phones, Ubuntu 13.10 got actual working MTP support, which means now Android phones work great with it.
[01:52] <nhaines> As long as Ubuntu and Android stick with standards, it's good for everyone.
[01:52] <cwayne> right out of the box too!
[01:53] <pr0teus> nhaines: yep
[01:53] <pr0teus> nhaines: but i don't see how there brands will interoperate, and that is bad...
[01:53] <nhaines> The brands are meaningless.  It's the softare on top that matters.
[01:54] <nhaines> So you pick the mobile operating system you like best, and that's taht.
[01:54] <pr0teus> i have an ipad, and i'm using 50% of it because the usability with my nix environment isnt that good(no itunes for example)
[01:54] <pr0teus> brands  = OS
[01:55] <nhaines> Well, if you buy hardware from a company who doesn't wish to interoperate, it's probably not going to interoperate well.
[01:56] <pr0teus> true, i just dont want to be locked to a single OS
[01:56] <nhaines> Luckily, iOS works well standalone and is pretty high quality.  So you should get a lot of use out of your iPad still.
[01:56] <pr0teus> i want to use my ipad in the same way i should use it in MacOs
[01:57] <nhaines> Well, Apple actively works against that.
[01:57] <pr0teus> nhaines: thats what i fear in the future =/
[01:57] <nhaines> pr0teus: then enjoy your current hardware but don't purchase those products in the future.  :)
[01:58] <nhaines> By buying Android or Ubuntu products, you support technology that likes working with everything.
[01:58] <pr0teus> nhaines: yep, but what i should purchage... ? only linux like? or windows like?
[01:59] <pr0teus> Desktop = Windows and Linux, but for mobile i like  android and iphone as well, tablet i just liked iOS (perhaps ubuntu)
[01:59] <pr0teus> so i should choose one OS for 3 devices.. (perhaps 4 if SmartTV included)
[01:59] <nhaines> If you want products that work with any desktop OS, you'd better stick with Android or Ubuntu.
[02:00] <pr0teus> nhaines: now android or ubuntu seems the best interoperable OS, and hope that canonical will keep it in that way
[02:00] <pr0teus> but, who knows
[02:01] <nhaines> If Ubuntu or Canonical doesn't keep it that way, the community can.
[02:38] <BillyZane> hi
[02:39] <BillyZane> i have a nexus 5, i know it's not supported yet, but it will be
[02:39] <BillyZane> i wanted to dual boot and i was wondering about the feature that allows you to connect the phone to a docking station
[02:40] <BillyZane> what sort of docking station is recommended to utilize this feature?
[03:27] <nhaines> BillyZane: there is no feature that allows you to connect the phone to a docking station.  So there is no docking station recommended to utilize that feature.
[03:28] <BillyZane> true
[03:28] <BillyZane> i think i read online something like...
[03:28] <nhaines> BillyZane: There's also no way to know what the hardware requirements will be until the feature is designed.  But nothing demoed so far supports docking stations.
[03:30] <BillyZane> yeah i read something like you have to use a microUSB to HDMI adaptor
[03:30] <BillyZane> and then you can use a bluetooth keyboard/mouse or possibly usb on the go
[03:31] <nhaines> No, you have to use an MHL HDMI adapter, on Android hardware that supports MHL.
[03:31] <BillyZane> ohh
[03:31] <nhaines> I'm not sure a docking station like that exists.
[03:32] <BillyZane> this is the one that seems to be recommended
[03:32] <BillyZane> http://www.amazon.com/SlimPort%C2%AE-SP1002-Connect-connector-Supports/dp/B009UZBLSG
[03:32] <nhaines> They're all the same.
[08:00] <BillyZane> hi
[08:01] <BillyZane> is anyone there
[08:01] <BillyZane> i was wondering how ubuntu deals with the 2gb ram limit on nexus phones, does it utilize a swap partition?
[08:05] <dholbach> good morning
[08:06] <nhaines> dholbach: good morning!  :)
[08:06] <dholbach> hi nhaines
[08:07] <nhaines> dholbach: Heute Nacht habe ich einen Buch "Lesebuch für Anfänger" gelesen.  Es würde im 1930 herausgegeben.
[08:08] <nhaines> The entire German text is in Fraktur.  Fun, but slightly challenging.  :)
[08:09] <dholbach> nhaines, German on its own is challenging already :)
[08:09] <nhaines> Indeed!  I figure if I can manage that, eventually Javascript should be simple.  ;)
[08:13] <dholbach> haha :)
[08:13] <nhaines> dholbach: a friend accuses me of using obsolute German.  My pet name for her 7yo son is "Knabe", and I once asked him, "Bist du munter?"
[08:14] <nhaines> I had the chance to pick up a huge German-English dictionary at a library for $2.  I thought maybe I'd check the entry for "computer", to see if it was "der Rechner" or "der Computer" and see if maybe it was too dated to help plead my case for dated speech.
[08:15] <nhaines> There was no entery for "computer".  Or Rechner.  I checked the copyright page, and it was published in 1956.  I decided to leave it on the shelf.  ;)
[08:15] <dholbach> haha, that makes sense - most people nowadays would say "Computer"
[08:15] <BillyZane> it's ironic that the computer is what makes the dictionary obsolete. i guess the dictionary didn't see that one coming
[08:16] <nhaines> BillyZane: I highly suspect that computer:computer::reckon::Rechner, but have been too lazy to research that yet.  :)
[08:18] <nhaines> dholbach: my friend's son is bilingual and I'm helping him learn to read; I can read in both English and German.  But it's really funny when I write a sentence.  Last was "Der Knabe isst die Cookies", and he has the funniest reactions to the word Knabe.  He thinks it's not a real word.  :)
[08:18] <BillyZane> what you said made me think about how paper has reigned for thousands of years
[08:18] <BillyZane> and it's starting to become obsolete in many ways
[08:18] <dholbach> nhaines, most people nowadays would say "der Junge" instead of "der Knabe", but it would still be understood
[08:19] <BillyZane> some day, we might even be able to replace paper with something that looks and feels just like it, but is digital
[08:19] <nhaines> dholbach: yes, I only use Knabe as a Kosename for him.  In English I tend to say "kiddo" or "buddy" or such.  :)
[08:20] <BillyZane> it's the texture that makes paper great. pencil and ink. and it gets me thinking, is that texture really the best, or are we just really use to it
[08:21] <nhaines> BillyZane: I have a fountain pen I picked up in Germany, just something a high schooler would get for graduation.  I type 105wpm, but sometimes when I'm writing a speech, article, or story, I just take a notepad and use the fountain pen.  It uses a cartridge although I have an awesome little inkwell, too.
[08:21] <nhaines> Luckily, the first-class technology in Ubuntu is so efficient that I can sometimes indulge in a little old-fashioned technology as well.
[08:22] <BillyZane> i was intrigued with fountain pens as well when i was younger. i had a couple of them, they had cartridges as well
[08:22] <dholbach> nhaines, ah ok :)
[08:23] <nhaines> dholbach: but since he's just starting to get good at reading, it's fun to occasionally substitue "Knabe" for "Junge" and see his reaction, hehe.
[08:23] <dholbach> :)
[08:24] <nhaines> Funnily enough, once he used my laptop and I said, "Okay, start the web browser", and he said "I don't know how," and I just said, "Push past the left side of the screen with the mouse", and he's been able to use Ubuntu intuitively ever since.
[08:25] <nhaines> I've read to him a lot of Asterix and Smurf comic books.  I often don't know what I'm reading, but I do voices and so forth.
[08:26] <nhaines> Once, he wanted to play videogames, and I told him only if he did something or other first.  And I started, "Wenn du das tust wollen, zuerst mußt du..." (if you want to do that, first you must...) and then realized I didn't know the German word for what he must do.
[08:26] <nhaines> So then I just tried to stall.  It was a race to see if I could remember the verb before I could finish the sentence.
[08:27] <nhaines> So I added as many conditions as I could think of.  "tonight, before you start, after you eat..." finally I got to the end of the sentence and just said "schlümpfen".
[08:28] <nhaines> He thought this was *really* funny.  I was quite proud of myself.  (Any English speaker, if they remember that the Smurfs use the word "smurf" to substitute for everything.)  :)
[08:29] <dholbach> nhaines, haha, that's great
[08:30] <nhaines> dholbach: his mother is an interpreter, so she usually corrects me, but occasionally finds that funny. :)
[08:31] <nhaines> Not so funny when I mix up mir or mich, and she corrects me, and I say, "oh, das ist Dialekt."
[08:39] <dholbach> nhaines, yeah, that's not quite easy to learn
[08:42] <nhaines> dholbach: I actually have the hang of it, mostly.... just some prepositions confound me.  I do like to repeat his errors, though, which his mom really dislikes... but he should learn sooner than later than he shouldn't learn that from me.  ;)  On the other hand, I never use "whom" incorrectly anymore.
[08:45] <dholbach> :)
[08:47] <nhaines> Sometimes English speakers ask me if I'm teaching him German, and I always say, "No, he's bilingual and he's helping me practice my German."  And then sometimes we find German speakers and he says, "Er kann auch Deutsch sprechen," and I tell them "Ich tue nur so."
[09:00] <dholbach> nhaines, sehr gut :)
[09:04] <nhaines> dholbach: it's fun to say.  :)
[09:57] <Laney> do we have qt 5.2 packages somewhere?
[10:00] <seb128> Laney, Mirv has a ppa for those I think
[10:00] <seb128> Laney, https://launchpad.net/~canonical-qt5-edgers/+archive/qt5-beta2
[10:00] <Mirv> Laney: the usable one is ppa:canonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-beta2 - as of this morning the core modules are near RC1 and Unity8 starts on device with that PPA again
[10:01] <Laney> just want to test a bug is fixed, nothing major
[10:01] <Laney> thanks
[10:06] <Laney> Mirv: do you have a tag for 'fixed in 5.2' or something?
[10:07] <Mirv> Laney: no such tag, but the changelogs should mention any LP bugs closed
[10:07] <Laney> yes, just want to make sure it does get closed
[10:08] <Laney> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtbase-opensource-src/+bug/1256341
[10:18] <lool> mandel: Heya
[10:18] <mandel> lool, hello!
[10:18] <lool> mandel: I see ubuntu-download-manager wasn't updated in trusty since the release
[10:18] <lool> mandel: so I guess it still misses the logging changes you had done in trunk
[10:19] <lool> mandel: did you or someone else working on it request a landing slot for it?
[10:19] <mandel> lool, indeed, but I was planning to solve that with didrocks
[10:19] <lool> mandel: would be good to get an update ASAP, there seem to be many many changes in trunk that will now have to land at once
[10:19] <mandel> lool, correct, there are code cleanups that have landed, are we having daily releases for trusty?
[10:20] <mandel> lool, or do I have to fill the spreadsheet etc.. to get it landed?
[10:20] <lool> mandel: we're still using the spreadsheet while we develop a replacement
[10:20] <mandel> lool, ok, then trust me I'll make sure we have a new version ASAP
[10:20] <mandel> lool, specially because I have reduce the mem footprint of the downloaded and I want that to be in the phone
[10:21] <lool> mandel: #ubuntu-ci-eng is where you'd check with the landing team how to get it in
[10:21] <lool> mandel: Yeah that sounds good
[10:21] <lool> mandel: thanks for following up with them then  :-)
[10:21] <mandel> lool,  sure, not problem, I'll try to make their life as easy as possible
[10:21] <mandel> lool, any person in particular I can ping?
[10:27] <lool> mandel: usually each team's techlead has write access to the spreadsheet; in your case that might be ralsina though
[10:27] <lool> mandel: ralsina certainly used to file landing requests in the past
[10:41] <mandel> lool, ok, then ralsina it is
[10:41] <mandel> lool, although the entire team is in an sprint but me, so it will be hard to get his time, nevertheless I'll try
[10:45] <zbenjamin> kalikiana: ping
[11:08] <JamesTait> mandel, are you still thinking of adding U1 photos support to gallery-app?
[11:09] <ogra_> oh that would be so awesome !
[11:09] <mandel> JamesTait, yes, I am
[11:10] <mandel> JamesTait, I need time though ;)
[11:10] <mandel> JamesTait, is probably an xmas project
[11:10] <JamesTait> mandel, no rush - just wanted to let you know that the API got promoted to v1 now. ;)
[11:11] <mandel> JamesTait, sweet, I will probaby need to get a cpp lib that those the required operations and then will look at the gallery app
[11:11] <mandel> :)
[11:11] <mandel> JamesTait, in the mean time I have done something simpler, added support for eyrie and u1db (http://blog.mikeasoft.com/2013/11/07/eyrie-for-ubuntu-touch/)
[11:12] <mandel> JamesTait, so that if you tag songs with you ubuntu phone they are stored to later get them in a 'legal way'
[11:12] <JamesTait> mandel, at some point, when I've got a spare couple of hours, probably one Friday afternoon, I'll be adding the API docs to one.ubuntu.com/developer as well.
[11:13] <mandel> JamesTait, superb, I would not mind doing a qml plugin for that api
[11:13] <JamesTait> mandel, that sounds cool. :)
[11:13] <mandel> JamesTait, and that way people can simply use it
[11:14] <JamesTait> +1
[11:15] <JamesTait> I really must get to grips with this new-fangles QML thing. ;)
[11:17] <mandel> JamesTait, well, I write mostly cpp and then allow people to use it from qml ;)
[11:17] <mandel> JamesTait, kinda fun :)
[11:18] <JamesTait> I do occasionally have cause to play around a bit with Vala.
[11:20] <mandel> JamesTait, the idea is to provide as much funtionality as possible to the QML world.. so right now I'm working on getting an API for the download manager, later upload manager (that is work realted) then the photos api
[11:21]  * JamesTait nods
[12:02] <davmor2> Morning all
[12:02] <davmor2> ogra_: with the  image update, when you have it set to auto download on wifi it shouldn't do that on 3g right?
[12:02] <ogra_> yeah
[12:04] <davmor2> ogra_: that'll be a bit broken then
[12:04] <ogra_> yup, there is system-image 2.0 sitting in -proposed though
[12:06] <davmor2> ogra_: and does that have a fix for this?
[12:06] <ogra_> it has a ton of fixes for several things ... i could imagine it does
[12:06] <ogra_> ask barry once he is around
[12:12] <davmor2> ogra_: nice will do thanks
[12:38] <rsalveti> mhall119: we'll be renaming the emulator package and changing the download-image script this week to grab images from system-image
[12:39] <rsalveti> mhall119: we could integrate it currently at the ppa already, but I'd wait until we land these changes
[12:39] <rsalveti> which should happen today/tomorrow hopefully
[12:40] <ogra_> we shouldkonw in 1h of the image builds work
[12:40] <rsalveti> :-)
[12:40] <davmor2> rsalveti: If you change the name to "Ni" we get shrubberies
[12:40] <rsalveti> hahaha
[12:40] <ogra_> rsalveti, i'm not sure, might be that system-image also needs the new arch added
[12:40] <rsalveti> that would be nice indeed
[12:40] <rsalveti> ogra_: right, but stgraber said that adding it there is easy once we have everything available via cdimage
[12:41] <ogra_> yeah, i wouldnt expect more than changing a config file
[12:42] <didrocks> hey oSoMoN, do you have more info on bug #1255999 than Friday?
[12:43] <oSoMoN> didrocks, I don’t
[12:43] <oSoMoN> didrocks, but tmoenicke was looking at it
[12:43] <didrocks> tmoenicke: can you enlighten us? ^ ;)
[12:44] <tmoenicke> yep
[12:48]  * didrocks listens to tmoenicke :)
[13:00] <Ursinha> hey guys, I just hit bug 1247401, anything I can do to extract useful info?
[13:03] <seb128> Ursinha, check is the service is running and maybe the corresponding upstart log
[13:05] <Roger_> hi
[13:05] <Ursinha> seb128, indicator-datetime-service isn't running
[13:06] <Roger112112> hi
[13:06] <seb128> Ursinha, is there anything useful in the upstart log?
[13:07] <Roger112112> would somebody say me if i would installl ubuntu for phone on a device which was'nt nexus? Sorry for my bad english
[13:07] <Roger112112> i wish install ubuntu for phone on a galaxy R, is it possible?
[13:07] <Ursinha> seb128, the only mention I could find in upstart logs is in dbus.log, the last message says: Failed to activate service 'com.canonical.indicator.datetime': timed out
[13:08] <seb128> Ursinha, is that current trusty? the indicators should be managed by upstart with the changes ted did
[13:08] <seb128> e.g they should have their own log
[13:08] <ogra_> seb128, is that already true for all of them ?
[13:08] <Ursinha> seb128, yes, trusty, r34
[13:08] <seb128> ogra_, yes
[13:08] <ogra_> k
[13:09] <davmor2> Roger112112: there is a list of supported devices on the wiki at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices other wise you would need to port it https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting
[13:10] <seb128> Ursinha, well, in any case it seems like the service had an issue and timeouted, not a lot you can get now, if it happens again it would be useful to get a gdb stacktrace before the timeout
[13:10] <Ursinha> seb128, it's the first time it happens to me, popey reported the bug a week ago (it seems)
[13:11] <seb128> rather a month ago, and that issue was fixed since
[13:11] <Ursinha> no, actually a month ago
[13:11] <Ursinha> whoa
[13:11] <ogra_> and he reported it with a lot delay
[13:12] <ogra_> we all see it randomly since saucy already
[13:12] <Ursinha> I've been good in finding regressions that were supposed to be fixed...
[13:12] <ogra_> well, its not a regression
[13:13] <ogra_> unless yu take the mwc congress demo image as a base for it :)
[13:13] <Ursinha> ogra_, I said based on "that issue was fixed since"
[13:13] <ogra_> it always happened randomly for people
[13:13] <popey> yeah, it's happened on and off all the time
[13:13] <ogra_> and i am sure i have also seen it recently
[13:13] <Ursinha> so it was never fixed :)
[13:13] <popey> i saw it over the weekend
[13:13] <ogra_> sometihgn was fixed
[13:13] <ogra_> probably just not enough though :)
[13:13] <popey> well the bug doesn't suggest it was fixed
[13:15] <seb128> popey, what bug? yours?
[13:15] <seb128> popey, you just filed a duplicate and the action happened to the "real" report...
[13:15] <Ursinha> seb128, that is a duplicate? why isn't that marked as such? what's the "real" report number?
[13:16] <seb128> Ursinha, popey, ogra_: bug #1239710 was the saucy/trusty issue that got fixed
[13:16] <seb128> Ursinha, dunno, ask bug triagers why launchpad is not in a perfect state, I didn't know about it before you pointed out today
[13:16] <seb128> Ursinha, I guess the reply is "we don't keep up with reports and not all duplicates are triaged"
[13:17]  * popey marks as dupe then
[13:17] <Ursinha> seb128, I found it in the bugs list I created with all packages seeded in touch, actually both bugs are there (I just spotted the one you mentioned)
[13:18] <Ursinha> seb128, that was an honest question really
[13:18] <seb128> Ursinha, well, the honest answer is "we don't have enough triager"
[13:18] <ogra_> seb128, well, i tried to address that with my recent mail discussion :)
[13:19] <Ursinha> maybe there's something we could do (avengers people and us) to look for bugs before filing new ones, I'm asking to improve things...
[13:19] <ogra_> seems we all do :)
[13:19] <MacSlow> Saviq, here's the branch making trouble on jenkins... lp:~macslow/unity8/notification-fullscreen-support
[13:20] <Roger112112>  thanks davmor 2!
[13:20] <popey> Ursinha: we frequently discuss bugs in here before filing
[13:21] <Ursinha> it seems that one slipped, but okay, if that's enough for you who am I to disagree
[13:21] <seb128> popey, well, it would be useful to check the open bugs as well before filling
[13:21] <Ursinha> seb128, I'll make a comment in the "real" bug that it still happens in trusty (I assume that's actually Fix Released, and not Fix Committed as the status says?)
[13:21] <popey> we do that too. clearly I missed it on that one.
[13:22] <mterry> Cimi, https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/ubuntu-system-settings/welcome-wizard/+merge/186862
[13:22] <seb128> Ursinha, if you read that, there is already a such comment at the bottom of the bug
[13:22] <seb128> Ursinha, the issue described there is fixed, there is maybe a second problem leading to the same result
[13:22] <seb128> Ursinha, we need a new report with a backtrace of the service while it's hanging (before it timeout)
[13:23] <seb128> Ursinha, for you or the next one who can reproduce
[13:23] <Ursinha> seb128, can we reuse popey's bug?
[13:23] <popey> i marked it dupe, feel free to modify it
[13:24] <seb128> Ursinha, well, the guys on the other bug already opened a new one, if you read the comment at the bottom...
[13:24] <seb128> use that one rather
[13:24] <Ursinha> seb128, that doesn't seem to be the same problem, he seems to have more problems and is using saucy
[13:24] <Ursinha> hence my question
[13:24] <Ursinha> :)
[13:25] <Ursinha> but okay
[13:25] <seb128> Ursinha, ok, well, free free to reuse popey's one
[13:27] <nocturn> Hi, can anyone tell me if the current version of Ubuntu phone supports activesync?
[13:29] <cyphermox> nocturn, depending on the level of support of synchronizing to the right databases in syncevolution, you may be able to sync your data. see https://syncevolution.org/
[13:30] <cyphermox> I'm not at all familiar with the specifics to tell you more though :)
[13:33] <nocturn> thanks cyphermox
[14:05] <pitti> ricmm: hey Rick, how are you?
[14:06] <pitti> ricmm: I'm adding a mock sensor backend to platform-api, as discussed recently with tvoss and kalikiana_; I understand the general API of libubuntu_application_api.so, but how does this provide notifications? i. e. a callback when a sensor value changes?
[14:12] <pitti> ricmm: oh nevermind, *_set_reading_cb()
[14:23] <Ursinha> ogra_, I just hit bug 1256496... anything I can do?
[14:23] <pitti> ricmm: but I'm afraid I still have some architecture questions about platform-api; when would you have a couple of minutes for these?
[14:23] <ogra_> reboot usually helps
[14:24] <ogra_> i wonder why system-image 2.0 didnt migrate yet
[14:25] <ogra_> aha
[14:25] <ogra_> FTBFS
[14:25] <ogra_> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/system-image/2.0.1-0ubuntu1/+build/5275242
[14:25] <ogra_> seems to fail a self test
[14:25] <ogra_> barry_, any chance we can get that fixed ?
[14:26] <ogra_> (system-image 2.0 FTBFS)
[14:27] <barry> ogra_: i'm sure there's a chance ;)  fwiw, that test does not fail locally, only on the buildds, so yay
[14:27] <ogra_> lovely
[14:28] <Ursinha> ogra_, man, I believe rebooting will solve the problem but that isn't the point, I was asking if there's any useful data I could collect while the bug is here :)
[14:28] <ogra_> Ursinha, given that 2.0 is waiting alreaady i dont think so
[14:28] <ogra_> (it is suppposed to improve that issue)
[14:29] <Ursinha> ogra_, alright :)
[14:34] <davmor2> barry: ogra_ told me to ask you about the fact that in settings if I have only auto-download on wifi why it does it on 3g too, and is this fixed in 2.0?
[14:34] <ogra_> for me it never downloads anything it seems
[14:35] <ogra_> my phone is pretty rarely on 3G only though ... most of the time its on WLAN and 3G ... (routing through WLAN though)
[14:37] <barry> davmor2: this is really controlled by ubuntu-download-manager.  system-image keeps a centralized "database" of the settings, but because it never does downloads directly, it relies on udm to make that determination.  si only knows about "manual download" vs "auto download".  i agree this is somewhat unclear on the wiki page
[14:39] <davmor2> barry: right thanks
[15:05] <dobey> fginther, cjohnston: can you review/deploy https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/cupstream2distro-config/u1creds-fix/+merge/197264 please?
[15:06] <fginther> dobey, looking
[15:07] <cjohnston> fginther: ^ is what I needed to talk to you about I believe
[15:09] <lool> would someone be able to debug ofono not seeing my SIM card with me?
[15:10] <lool> story is as follows: I had a prepaid T-Mobile SIM for some weeks/months in the phone; it would attach to the cell network even if I was out of credit; at some point it stopped attaching, but I assumed it had been disabled or something; today I tried putting my own regular SIM in the phone, but that didn't work either
[15:10] <ogra_> lool, i guess you should wait for awe
[15:10] <lool> no GSM connection, no data, not getting the unlock SIM button either
[15:10] <lool> ogra_: Ok
[15:10] <davmor2> popey, ogra_: can you just try something on r42 open the dialer app move to call log, then press the power button, Now ring the phone does the dialer app appear or does it stay on the lock screen
[15:10] <lool> or maybe rsalveti
[15:10] <ogra_> (to not have to re-post the whole again)
[15:10] <lool> it's ok  :-)
[15:11] <lool> ogra_: do you know where ofono settings are stored after ofono-setup?
[15:11] <ogra_> doesnt that do telepathy-ofono ?
[15:12] <ogra_> i would expect it to happen wherever telepathy usually stores stuff ~/.config perhaps ?
[15:12] <lool> I see a .local/share/telepathy/mission-control/accounts.cfg
[15:12] <lool> but nothing in .config
[15:12] <rsalveti> lool: check /usr/share/ofono/scripts/list-modems
[15:12] <lool> All I get from oFono is GET_SIM_STATUS request failed
[15:13] <rsalveti> see what you have in there
[15:13] <lool> rsalveti: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6509675/
[15:13] <lool>     Powered = 0
[15:13] <rsalveti> and yeah, start ofonod with -d
[15:13] <ogra_> note that we use the ofono.override upstart job by default
[15:13] <rsalveti> lool: right, rild is not able to see your sim card I'd say
[15:13] <barry> ogra_: anyway, fwiw: LP: #1256947
[15:14] <rsalveti> lool: change /etc/init/ofono.override -> ofonod -d -p....
[15:14] <rsalveti> and reboot
[15:14] <ogra_> lets hope some buildd admin picks it up then :)
[15:14] <rsalveti> then check your syslog
[15:14] <lool> rsalveti: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6509682/
[15:15] <lool> rsalveti: I've stopped and started ofono, should I reboot?
[15:15] <rsalveti> lool: better to reboot, as it could also be something with ril
[15:15] <lool> ok
[15:16] <rsalveti> but from the ofono side, that basically means rild wasn't able to find your sim card
[15:16] <lool> it's kind of odd with 2 different SIM cards
[15:16] <rsalveti> lool: which device? also make sure the pins are all properly in place
[15:16] <lool> the phone has not been mishandled and it's kind of hard to burm the SIM slot
[15:16] <lool> rsalveti: Nexus 4
[15:16] <rsalveti> oh, that's harder to break
[15:17] <lool> rsalveti: after reboot: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6509689/
[15:17] <ogra_> its all glass ! its easy to break
[15:17]  * ogra_ has experience with breaking the N4 if you need help ... or a hammer
[15:18] <lool> ah crap, what was the rune to enter the android container to run logcat again?
[15:19] <rsalveti>  /system/bin/logcat
[15:19] <ogra_> no need to do that in the container
[15:19] <rsalveti> or lxc-console -nandroid -t0
[15:19] <rsalveti> but yeah, just run logcat directly
[15:19] <ogra_> works fine from the ubuntu side
[15:19] <fginther> dobey, I have some questions for cyphermox on this, I'll get back to you
[15:19] <lool> complaints about ttyUSB0 there, but not much about RIL
[15:19] <lool> I/UpstartPropertyWatcher(  702): Property changed: gsm.version.ril-impl=Qualcomm RIL 1.0
[15:19] <lool> I/UpstartPropertyWatcher(  702): Property changed: rild.libpath=/system/lib/libril-qc-qmi-1.so
[15:19] <lool> I/UpstartPropertyWatcher(  702): Property changed: init.svc.ril-daemon=running
[15:19] <lool> I/UpstartPropertyWatcher(  702): Property changed: init.svc.ril-daemon=running
[15:19] <lool> I/UpstartPropertyWatcher(  702): Property changed: gsm.version.ril-impl=Qualcomm RIL 1.0
[15:20] <lool> is all I have in fact
[15:20] <ogra_> you rather want syslog
[15:20] <rsalveti> right, rild is up, would be interesting to enable debug messages there
[15:20] <ogra_> grep for ofono when booting with -d added
[15:20] <rsalveti> ogra_: ofono can't see the sim card (via rild)
[15:20] <ogra_> oh, sorry, missed the paste above
[15:21] <rsalveti> lool: did you flash android 4.4?
[15:21] <lool> rsalveti: no
[15:21] <lool> rsalveti: should I?
[15:21] <ogra_> no
[15:21] <rsalveti> lool: no, that breaks wireless
[15:21] <lool> rsalveti: actually maybe someone might have
[15:21] <ogra_> firmware is incompatible
[15:21] <lool> I lended that phoen for week-end
[15:21] <lool> for an install party
[15:21] <rsalveti> right
[15:22] <ogra_> you will need to flash 4.2 again
[15:22] <rsalveti> flash android 4.2.2 again
[15:22] <ogra_> to make it work
[15:22] <lool> but I had my data on it after the event
[15:22] <rsalveti> see if radio works, then flash ubuntu
[15:22] <lool> so I'd be surprized if they flashed 4.4
[15:23] <lool> well I guess byebye to my data again then  :-)
[15:23] <lool> rsalveti: any quick way to check it's 4.4 though?
[15:23] <rsalveti> lool: maybe via bootloader
[15:23] <lool> just in case the issue is some botched config from weird trusty upgrades
[15:23] <lool> or similar
[15:23] <rsalveti> but not sure
[15:24] <cyphermox> fginther: moo?
[15:24] <Cimi> seb128, all the current plugins in system settings have a panel?+
[15:25] <rsalveti> lool: flash 4.2.2 again just to be sure, would also help to know if your sim card works with android
[15:25] <fginther> cyphermox, regarding https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/cupstream2distro-config/u1creds-fix/+merge/197264.  There is no /debian in lp:ubuntuone-credentials, is that not needed for daily release?
[15:25]  * ogra_ hands cyphermox some hay
[15:25] <lool> I have baseband M9615A-CEFWMAZM-2.0.1700.84
[15:25] <lool> which seems to be 4.4
[15:26] <ogra_> there you go then
[15:27] <seb128> Cimi, yes, why ?
[15:27] <cyphermox> fginther: it is, yes
[15:27] <seb128> Cimi, that's their UI
[15:27] <Cimi> seb128, so if I want to write just a backend for the moment?
[15:27] <cyphermox> fginther: there was another merge request to go with that one that was merging /daily-release into lp:ubuntuone-credentials
[15:27] <cyphermox> that was being blocked by the merge you're pointing me to
[15:28] <seb128> Cimi, well, store it with the UI that uses it, e.g wizard
[15:28] <lool> actually not sure
[15:28] <fginther> cyphermox, ack, I'll approve then
[15:28] <cyphermox> this is because cupstream2distro-config is used both for CI and for daily-release
[15:28] <seb128> Cimi, or said different, making it a wizard cpp plugin
[15:28] <Cimi> seb128, I'm sure we all have a fronted in the settings
[15:29] <seb128> you mean?
[15:29] <Cimi> seb128, a panel
[15:29] <Cimi> to add/edit users
[15:29] <Cimi> one day
[15:29] <seb128> the wizard UI is a standalone app no?
[15:29] <seb128> not a panel ?
[15:29] <seb128> it's not on the design document
[15:29] <seb128> so I would think not on the phone
[15:30] <seb128> we might have one, one day, but we shouldn't clutter the UI with a non implemented futur option
[15:30] <Cimi> seb128, on tablet/desktop
[15:30] <seb128> well, get a design then you can add an icon
[15:30] <Cimi> seb128, so I'd like to keep it there
[15:30] <Cimi> seb128, and not show the UI
[15:30] <seb128> we don't add non working icosn
[15:30] <seb128> ok, that works for me
[15:30] <Cimi> seb128, yeah, we on't
[15:30] <seb128> just hide the icon then ;-)
[15:30] <Cimi> seb128, so if I remove .settings works?
[15:31] <seb128> yes
[15:32] <Cimi> ok
[15:33] <Cimi> seb128, pushed
[15:33] <seb128> Cimi, thanks
[15:35] <davmor2> didrocks: image 42 might have issues with the dialer app on maguro.  If the app isn't open and the phone is in sleep, the phone wakes on receiving a call but the dialer app never fully opens (just the grey holder for it) if the app is open it never appears
[15:35] <davmor2> didrocks: I'm assuming a regression in unity8
[15:36] <didrocks> davmor2: can you try with an image before the unity8 version please?
[15:36] <didrocks> + opening a bug :)
[15:37] <lool> so for the record, baseband 1700.48 is what android 4.2.2 has
[15:37] <davmor2> didrocks: will do, isn't that like image 37 ish
[15:37] <lool> not sure whether it had 4.3 or 4.4 basedband though
[15:37] <lool> rsalveti: thanks a lot for the debugging, and sorry if it's someone who has flashed 4.4 under me (I hadn't thought of this!)
[15:38] <ogra_> lool, well, it is a problem ...
[15:38] <lool> hopefully it's just this and the phone works with android
[15:38] <ogra_> i wonder if we could tackle it from our side somehow
[15:38] <davmor2> maybe 35
[15:38] <lool> ogra_: do we know what the issue is?  userspace ril needs an update for new baseband?
[15:38] <ogra_> pushing the right FW when we detect something worng etc
[15:39] <ogra_> lool, no, i have no idea what the exact issue is, but i know that people that did an OTA to android 4.4 seem to all have this issue with touch
[15:39] <didrocks> sil2100: did you get any bug report retraced for the Hud crasher btw?
[15:39] <ogra_> so if we could detect the to new version and could push ours that might work around it
[15:39] <cyphermox> lool: rsalveti: when I said 4.4 breaks wireless I was just saying that after flashing 4.4 I didn't have wireless back in touch, it might be another issue entirely ;)
[15:40] <lool> cyphermox: I did have *wifi*
[15:40] <lool> not cell
[15:40] <cyphermox> ok
[15:40] <ogra_> cyphermox, that issue even beats android users that roll back to 4.2
[15:40] <cyphermox> ogra_: ok. I don't know, I consistently have 4.3 flashed if I reflash android
[15:40]  * ogra_ read about it quite a few times aalready
[15:40] <cyphermox> alrighty
[15:41] <ogra_> but it would be nice if we could somehow prevent it
[15:41] <ogra_> by pushing the right baseband version ir so
[15:41] <cyphermox> flash the right radio as part of the update yeah
[15:41] <ogra_> (not sure how that technically works in android)
[15:41] <cyphermox> but I'd like to assume the radio gets updated in 4.4 because there's some fancy cool new thing we might wanna have too ;)
[15:42] <ogra_> i guess 4.4 simply ships a new ril
[15:42] <cyphermox> that's not necessarily wrong, although it might be painful
[15:43] <ogra_> it will surely be for awe :)
[15:43] <cyphermox> hehe
[15:43] <ogra_> if the protocol changed or some such
[15:45] <lool> rsalveti: Oh wow, guess what, SIM card didn't work under Android 4.2 either
[15:45] <lool> seems the slot is broken
[15:45] <lool> (this is my regular SIM card which worked in another N4 minutes ago)
[15:46] <sil2100> didrocks: no, let me do that now
[15:48] <rsalveti> lool: =\
[15:49] <fginther> dobey, the MP is approved, waiting for jenkins to return to deploy it
[15:59] <labsin> Does anyone know this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/382170
[15:59] <labsin> http://askubuntu.com/questions/382170/how-to-tell-if-an-app-is-going-to-get-suspended-from-qml
[16:00] <popey> your app will suspend when the user goes away
[16:00] <popey> labsin: http://samohtv.wordpress.com/2013/08/15/application-lifecycle-model-policies/
[16:00] <ogra_> well
[16:00] <ogra_> when it loses focus i'd say ....
[16:01] <popey> yeah, i was using his wording from the AU question
[16:01] <labsin> popey, but I want to set a state before it gets suspended
[16:01] <labsin> popey, It's for the falling-blocks game. I'd like to pause the game when the user goes away, but I don't know how
[16:02] <popey> Yes, I understand the use-case.
[16:02] <popey> the game will naturally pause when you swipe away.
[16:04] <labsin> popey, I'd like it to be in pause when they get back...
[16:04] <popey> yeah, not sure how you'd do that, other than some clunky detection of when the time has changed
[16:05] <labsin> popey, then i'll leave it out
[16:05] <popey> it may be there is some more sane way to detect it, but I don't know
[16:05] <popey> I can't think of any other apps which do it currently
[16:06] <labsin> something else, I can't seem to find the package with the ubuntu-touch icons
[16:06] <bfiller> Saviq: where does the ApplicationManager class that is referenced in unity8/Components/ApplicationManagerWrapper.qml startApplication() live? can't find it
[16:06] <ricmm> bfiller: unity-mir
[16:07] <ricmm> bfiller: what are you looking for?
[16:07] <bfiller> ricmm: trying to trace how apps are launched from the shell. I found that if you start the app from the command line it launches literally twice as fast as doing it from the shell
[16:07] <bfiller> ricmm: trying to understand why
[16:08] <ricmm> bfiller: the shell asks upstart-app-launch to do the launching
[16:08] <ricmm> command line is of course direct execution
[16:08] <ricmm> bfiller: so the overhead comes from upstart-app-launch
[16:08] <bfiller> ricmm: can I run upstart-app-launch directly from the command line? not launching anything when I do it
[16:09] <ricmm> bfiller: $ start application APP_ID="gallery-app"
[16:10] <bfiller> ricmm: let me try that, can APP_ID be the desktop file as well?
[16:12] <ricmm> bfiller: not entirely sure what the limitations are
[16:12] <ricmm> bfiller: ted should know
[16:13] <davmor2> didrocks: http://ubuntuone.com/3jZCIkuEROO2T7kHSAdquf I get this from time to time is this going to be the fault of the indicator or something backend telepathy and ofono at a guess?  Note the top message look and acts differently from the lower one
[16:14] <didrocks> davmor2: wait, ubuntuone is really slow ;)
[16:14] <bfiller> ricmm: hmmn, can't get it to work with address-book-app using APP_ID="address-book-app" or APP_ID="/usr/share/applications/address-book-app.desktop"
[16:14] <bfiller> ricmm: works for gallery
[16:15] <davmor2> didrocks: I blame you wanting app to install on the phone :P
[16:17] <ricmm> bfiller: because that one is a click package, it needs the full APP_ID
[16:17] <ricmm> which includes version and what not
[16:17] <didrocks> davmor2: ah, that one is known
[16:17] <didrocks> davmor2: it's unity8 ;)
[16:17] <bfiller> ricmm: address book is not a click
[16:17] <didrocks> davmor2: well, my 1GB connexion shouldn't bother about installing app ;)
[16:18] <didrocks> davmor2: if you can find a reliable reproducer for that bug btw, that would be really helpful
[16:18] <didrocks> davmor2: did you file another one for the call one?
[16:18] <ricmm> bfiller: works for me
[16:18] <ricmm> APP_ID="address-book-app"
[16:18] <davmor2> didrocks: of course it is :)  no got to try and find if it is a regression first, do you happen to have a bug for the messaging one
[16:18] <ricmm> are you sure it isnt already running? if it is, it wont start it again
[16:18] <bfiller> ricmm: trying again, just got white screen
[16:19] <didrocks> davmor2: do you have the bug ref?
[16:19] <didrocks> yeah, there is one
[16:19] <davmor2> didrocks: send 10 messages to yourself one of them will turn out like thar
[16:19] <didrocks> one sec
[16:19] <davmor2> that even
[16:19] <didrocks> davmor2: well, it's not reliable, in the way, you know the input and you get that output :p
[16:19] <didrocks> davmor2: bug #1253810
[16:20] <didrocks> there is a tentative fix, but it's only tentative :p
[16:20] <davmor2> didrocks: thanks
[16:21] <ricmm> bfiller: make sure it isnt running
[16:21] <bfiller> ricmm: working now after reboot
[16:22] <bfiller> ricmm: didn't show it was running but I guess it was
[16:22] <didrocks> davmor2: I want my link for the other bug now! Let's trade link! :)
[16:23] <davmor2> didrocks: I haven't written it till I'm sure that the unity8 is the cause,  I can write one up if you are desperate
[16:23] <didrocks> davmor2: I'm so sad now! Ok, just paste it once you identify the guilty ;)
[16:23] <davmor2> didrocks: will do
[16:42] <pmcgowan> didrocks, when will then new Mir land
[16:42] <didrocks> pmcgowan: hum, which one?
[16:42] <ogra_> pmcgowan, last week we had some Mir landings
[16:42] <pmcgowan> didrocks, I thought it had not landed at all for some time
[16:42] <pmcgowan> oh
[16:42] <pmcgowan> looking forward to nexus 10 support
[16:42] <Saviq> bfiller, unity-mir
[16:42] <Saviq> bfiller, and qtubuntu for surfaceflinger
[16:43] <Saviq> bfiller, why?
[16:43] <didrocks> pmcgowan: it did, look at one of the hundred emails you got on the ubuntu-phone ML while you were eating :p
[16:43] <pmcgowan> didrocks, awesome
[16:43] <pmcgowan> thanks
[16:43] <Saviq> bfiller, apps shouldn't be using it, btw
[16:44] <didrocks> pmcgowan: yw ;)
[16:46] <ogra_> pmcgowan, http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/20131129.changes btw ...
[16:46] <ogra_> (from mirserver 10 to 11)
[16:46] <pmcgowan> ty
[16:46] <pmcgowan> I have that bookmarked actually, jusyt misunderstood the last mail I read
[16:48] <ogra_> - graphics: android: 1) change hwc1.1 to make use of sync fences during
[16:48] <ogra_>       the compositor's gl renderloop. Note that we no longer wait for the
[16:48] <ogra_>       render to complete, we pass this responsibility to the driver and the
[16:48] <ogra_>       kernel. 2) support nexus 10. (LP: #1252173) (LP: #1203268)
[16:48] <Saviq> rsalveti, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6510103/ - download in text should let you get at it
[16:48] <ogra_> from the changelog of mir 1.2
[16:48] <ogra_> (0.1.2)
[16:49] <Saviq> rsalveti, actually http://people.canonical.com/~msawicz/_usr_bin_unity8.32011.crash
[16:49] <bfiller> Saviq: looking at start up time of apps
[16:50] <bfiller> Saviq: launching from shell or directly from upstart-app-launch about 80% slower then directly from command line
[16:50] <ogra_> bfiller, looka at aa-exec
[16:50] <Saviq> bfiller, interesting
[16:50] <Saviq> bfiller, but yeah ↑↑
[16:50] <ogra_> that was my first area to research, ChickenCutlass asked me to check app launch time too
[16:51] <Saviq> bfiller, check out the .desktop files in ~/.local/share/applications
[16:51] <Saviq> bfiller, and compare with and without aa-exec
[16:51] <bfiller> Saviq, ogra_ : I'll take a look
[16:53] <mhall119> so my phone was losing app instances & thumbnails a lot again yesterday, and when I checked top I found that 'init' was consuming 60% of my RAM....
[16:53] <mhall119> does the app lifecycle stuff kill apps when RAM is scarce, rather than swapping them to disk?
[16:54] <ogra_> mhall119, yes, and the thumbnailing then all goes wrong
[16:54] <ogra_> i usually end up getting the wrong labels whan that happens
[16:54] <mhall119> yeah, I've had that happen too
[16:54] <mhall119> running multiple webbrowser-app instances for webapps seems a quick way to use up enough RAM to trigger this too
[16:55] <mhall119> but 60% for init? that seems very wrong
[16:55] <bfiller> Saviq: I was testing with address-book-app which is not a click package. So don't think aa-exec comes into play?
[16:55] <Saviq> bfiller, right, no it does not
[16:55] <bfiller> Saviq: does that mean non-click packages are not app-armour protected?
[16:56] <Saviq> bfiller, yes
[16:56] <mhall119> at that point I couldn't have more than one app open at a time, whenever I opened another, it killed the first
[16:56] <Saviq> bfiller, unconfined
[16:56] <ogra_> mhall119, tell ricmm and tvoss please
[16:56] <bfiller> Saviq: yup ok, then app armour not the issue. looks like upstart-app-launch add a significant delay
[16:56] <ogra_> mhall119, they do the lifecycle stuff afaik
[16:57] <mhall119> ricmm: ping me when you're available please
[16:57] <mhall119> ogra_: are the also the right people to talk to about user-session init process consuming crazy amounts of RAM?
[16:57] <mhall119> this wasn't PID 1
[16:57] <mhall119> it was the init run as phablet
[16:58] <ogra_> right
[16:58] <Saviq> bfiller, confirmed
[16:58] <Saviq> bfiller, I wonder, it might just be the time upstart waits for an app to be considered started
[16:58] <ogra_> mhall119, it is upstart-app-launch ... but i think thats only fallout
[16:59] <mhall119> ogra_: what is?
[16:59] <bfiller> Saviq: could be, do you know what exactly it waits on?
[16:59] <ogra_> mhall119, platform-api or unity-mir are responsible for the liufecycle stuff i think
[17:01] <mhall119> ok
[17:01]  * mhall119 will wait for ricmm's pong
[17:05] <Saviq> bfiller, no, and actually after trying a few times
[17:05] <Saviq> bfiller, it's intermittent
[17:05] <Saviq> bfiller, there's times when it launches as fast as by hand
[17:05] <Saviq> bfiller, and then it takes 3 seconds
[17:06] <bfiller> Saviq: interesting, I haven't seen that. Always takes much longer for me
[17:06] <bfiller> Saviq: really noticeable running on emulator. I've been using address-book-app as my test case
[17:06] <Saviq> bfiller, just go upstart-app-launch address-book-app; then upstart-app-stop address-book-app a few times
[17:08] <mhall119> can apps respond to app lifecycle events, like being closed, so they can do clean-up or session saving?
[17:09] <Saviq> mhall119, they have a grace period when they
[17:09] <Saviq> 're unfocused
[17:10] <bfiller> Saviq: I get just a white screen intermittently after running app-launh, app-stop, app-launch
[17:11] <Saviq> bfiller, yup, seeing that as well - it fails to start like every second time for me
[17:11] <Saviq> bfiller, it's failing in platform-api
[17:12] <Saviq> bfiller, not sure yet what's happening
[17:12] <Saviq> bfiller, when it happens, just do -launch again
[17:12] <bfiller> Saviq: ok
[17:12] <Saviq> bfiller, shouldn't impact what you're looking at
[17:12] <davmor2> didrocks: right it's working in image 35 so I'll write a bug against unity8 lastest in the assumption it is to blame :D
[17:13] <Saviq> mhall119, past that they're not guaranteed to ever get resumed
[17:13] <mhall119> Saviq: right, but are they notified somehow?
[17:14] <mhall119> and is that notification something we can respond to in a qml-only app?
[17:16] <mhall119> wow, we're on r43 already?  guess we won't be on r100 again on release day :)
[17:17] <tmoenicke> didrocks: I left a comment: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-keyboard/+bug/1255999
[17:18] <Saviq> mhall119, I'm not sure, but folks are already working on this for the SDK
[17:18] <mhall119> ok, thanks Saviq
[17:19] <Saviq> mhall119, so there's *something* they know  at least
[17:19] <didrocks> davmor2: thanks!  please send me an email with this :)
[17:23] <ogra_> mhall119, i wish we could be at r500 or higher on release day :)
[17:29] <mhall119> Saviq: when do you think we'll get Unity8 shell rotation?
[17:33] <mhall119> popey: uDraw (and I assume Graphite) are still not working on devices, do we know the cause yet?
[17:34] <mhall119> gah, the OSK is letting touch events fall through again!
[17:36] <mhall119> is this something we can auto-pilot test?
[17:37] <davmor2> didrocks: email sent https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8/+bug/1257000 is the annoying bug hopefully :)
[17:47] <didrocks> davmor2: perfect!
[17:47] <didrocks> ogra_: I'm lost, what's the last promoted image?
[17:47] <didrocks> (and where can I see it)
[17:49] <didrocks> 32 it seems
[17:51] <rsalveti> ogra_: we should enable mir by default with nexus 10 then
[17:51] <rsalveti> if not done already
[17:53] <rsalveti> Saviq: but there's no core dump in there, right?
[17:54] <ogra_> rsalveti, well, i'd like to hear back that it actually works ... from someone who has the hw and can touch ~/.display-mir
[17:54] <rsalveti> I can give it a try later today
[17:54] <rsalveti> sergiusens: in case you have your nexus 10 in hands easily ^
[17:55] <rsalveti> need to charge mine
[17:55] <ogra_> didrocks, i tend to just look at the last line of http://system-image.ubuntu.com/trusty/mako/
[17:55] <sergiusens> rsalveti, I had it my hands just now
[17:55] <Cimi> I have one I can try
[17:55] <didrocks> ogra_: ok, "nice UI" :)
[17:55] <didrocks> thanks!
[17:55] <sergiusens> let me get the latest image on
[17:56] <sergiusens> I have the checking for updates spinner just laughing at me...
[17:57] <ogra_> laugh back, i'm sure it will like that
[17:59] <sergiusens> didrocks, ogra_ rsalveti mir works, camera doesn't though
[17:59] <ogra_> who cares about the camer ... pfft
[17:59] <ogra_> +a
[17:59] <rsalveti> sergiusens: hm, in theory it should work, but I believe manta uses camera 2.0
[18:00] <rsalveti> which might have some incompatibility then
[18:00] <sergiusens> rsalveti, didn't mako use that too?
[18:00] <sergiusens> rsalveti, ah, right
[18:00] <sergiusens> no
[18:00] <rsalveti> ricmm: mind checking this ^?
[18:00] <sergiusens> manta uses 2
[18:03] <sergiusens> rsalveti, also, any idea why these are back? binder: 1912 RLIMIT_NICE not set ?
[18:03] <sergiusens> rsalveti, was your change reverted?
[18:03] <rsalveti> sergiusens: iirc only manta was using v2
[18:03] <sergiusens> rsalveti, yup, I recall gusch having to fiddle with this to get the camera working
[18:03] <rsalveti> sergiusens: we always had it since we flipped the container
[18:03] <sergiusens> unflip it then :-P
[18:03] <ogra_> really ?
[18:04] <rsalveti> yup, I even have a bug open for it somewhere
[18:04] <ogra_> the rsyslog snippet should catch it regardless
[18:04] <rsalveti> bug 1202887
[18:04] <ogra_> sergiusens, awesome idea !
[18:06] <sergiusens> rsalveti, there's a unanswered question for you in that bug btw ;-)
[18:06] <rsalveti> we also had a long discussion over irc and we kind of decided just to ignore it for now, until we decide the default nice value for userspace
[18:06] <rsalveti> yeah, need to update the bug
[18:06] <ogra_> i still dont get it
[18:07] <ogra_> the rsyslog snippet should simply suppress these messages
[18:07] <rsalveti> right, that should still be in place
[18:07] <ogra_> unless there was a format change or anything
[18:07] <ogra_> it is
[18:07] <ogra_> just checked it
[18:07] <rsalveti> sergiusens: did you check using syslog or dmesg
[18:07] <rsalveti> it'll still show via dmesg
[18:07] <ogra_> right, dmesg will have raw kernel stuff
[18:07] <ogra_> not going through syslog indeed
[18:08] <ogra_> but kern.log or syslog shouldnt
[18:09] <sergiusens> rsalveti, dmesg
[18:09] <ogra_> yeah, that would actually need a kernel patch
[18:10] <ogra_> someone should add that to the bug :P
[18:15] <Saviq> rsalveti, yes there is
[18:15] <Saviq> rsalveti, pastebin shows it as one line, though
[18:15] <rsalveti> Saviq: oh, ok, sorry
[18:15] <rsalveti> let me check it again
[18:16]  * rsalveti removes the dust from his maguro
[18:17] <pmcgowan> sergiusens, using the sidestage seems to lock things up
[18:18] <rsalveti> pmcgowan: ricmm is also at the mir sprint, he should just fix it
[18:18] <rsalveti> :-)
[18:19] <pmcgowan> oh wow, I got system settings full screen with the sidestage overlayed
[18:20] <ogra_> so you cant miss them :)
[18:20] <pmcgowan> rsalveti, does ricmmjust go to every sprint now :)
[18:21] <rsalveti> pmcgowan: haha, seems so
[18:21] <ogra_> smuggling toilet papaer and diapers back home ;)
[18:21] <ogra_> ... getting rich
[18:24] <rsalveti> hahah :-)
[18:27] <sergiusens> pmcgowan, I wasn't aware sidestage was fixed
[18:27] <sergiusens> pmcgowan, but confirm, it does lock up
[18:27] <pmcgowan> sergiusens, yeah its half there
[18:28] <sergiusens> pmcgowan, I meant, "I can confirm" just in case :-)
[18:28] <pmcgowan> ack
[18:28] <ogra_> sergiusens, you should have gotten used to pmcgowan living a few weeks in the future ...
[18:28] <ogra_> pmcgowan, btw, these lottery numbers from next week, can you mail them to me ? :)
[18:29] <pmcgowan> ogra_, I knew you would say that
[18:29] <rsalveti> Saviq: also: BFD: Warning: /home/phablet/CoreDump is truncated: expected core file size >= 286961664, found: 61512.
[18:30] <rsalveti> but yeah, in theory it'd be at glib (via procmaps), but adding it doesn't help
[19:05] <airking> How stable is the necus 4 version of the ubuntu phone os?
[19:05] <airking> nexus*
[19:06] <popey> depends how you define "stable"
[19:07] <davmor2> pmcgowan: who's best to talk to about the lack of icons on the setting accounts page?  They appear when you are logged into one but not before
[19:08] <airking> popey: Gooed enough to use daily
[19:08] <pmcgowan> davmor2, put in a bug for mardy to look at
[19:09] <popey> airking: many of us use it daily
[19:09] <davmor2> pmcgowan: thanks
[19:09] <airking> I need email, text, web, data connection, wifi, phone, and a terminal that I cna ssh with
[19:10] <popey> airking: try it out ☻
[19:13] <airking> Does it have a contacts list?  and can I import a .csv file from my google contacts?
[19:15] <shadeslayer_> ogra_: btw I saw that ARM released some mali kernel and user space drivers
[19:16] <shadeslayer_> http://malideveloper.arm.com/develop-for-mali/drivers/open-source-mali-t6xx-gpu-kernel-device-drivers/
[19:18] <davmor2> airking: http://sergiusens.github.io/posts/google-contacts-on-ubuntu-touch.html you just do adb shell then the last three commands repeat the last command if you have more than 50 contacts iirc
[19:19] <airking> how is the battery life on the nexus 4?
[19:30] <ogra_> shadeslayer_, ... "Note that these components are not a complete driver stack. To build a functional OpenGL ES you need access to the full source code of the Mali GPU DDK, which is provided under the standard ARM commercial licence to all Mali GPU customers."...
[19:31] <shadeslayer_> yeah :/
[19:31] <ogra_> shadeslayer_, thats not much different from fglrx or nvidia on x86
[19:31] <shadeslayer_> though maybe framebuffer is possible now?
[19:31] <ogra_> and i think that stuff exists since quite a while already
[19:32] <ogra_> framebuffer might work with the lima drivers
[19:32] <Ursinha> davmor2, re. bug 1257028, is that a mako?
[19:32] <shadeslayer_> doesn't, lima is only for Mali 400
[19:32] <ogra_> ah
[19:33]  * ogra_ is happy we dont have to wrangle with that stuff in ubuntu touch 
[19:33] <sergiusens> davmor2, I wrote simpler steps in a new post a while back http://sergiusens.github.io/posts/syncing-contacts-from-google-on-latest-touch-images.html
[19:34] <Ursinha> davmor2, I can confirm the bug here and unless you have a maguro there's a tool to grab screenshots in phablet-tools :)
[19:34] <ogra_> lol
[19:34] <ogra_> ... she said to the maguro tester :P
[19:35] <Ursinha> oops haha
[19:35] <sergiusens> mzanetti, Saviq, ogra_ did you solve your session issues with ssh btw?
[19:35] <ogra_> did we have session issues ?
[19:35] <ogra_> oh, that quoting stuff
[19:35] <davmor2> sergiusens: oh nice I'd not seen that one
[19:36] <davmor2> Ursinha: I'm on maguro
[19:36] <sergiusens> ogra_, yeah, the one where env vars weren't imported
[19:36] <ogra_> sergiusens, the issue was that the var they need isnt in /etc/profile.d ...
[19:36] <davmor2> Ursinha: hence using my camera
[19:36] <Ursinha> davmor2, ogra_ just told me that :)
[19:36] <ogra_> but in /etc/envirotment (which we need to clean up until release)
[19:37] <davmor2> Ursinha: I'm slowly playing catch up
[19:37] <sergiusens> davmor2, is it just me or did the latest maguro images improve their performance?
[19:37]  * sergiusens might just be getting used to the slowness
[19:38] <davmor2> sergiusens: shhh you'll upset it and it'll die
[19:38]  * ogra_ didnt notice any better performance
[19:38] <sergiusens> ogra_, as a user it doesn't crawl after an hour at least :-)
[19:38] <ogra_> ah, i dont thik i used it that long recently
[19:39] <davmor2> sergiusens: nope running the same for me, but then I've not had a single version on for more than an hour so it's hard to tell
[19:39]  * ogra_ was verifying all these bugs ... but beyond that i use my mako 
[19:40] <ogra_> (well, and until i have a kbd again i'm back on my N5)
[19:40]  * ogra_ goes afk again
[20:08] <nerochiaro_> thomi: hi, do you know what's the status of this bug ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/autopilot-qt/+bug/1218971
[20:08]  * thomi looks
[20:08] <nerochiaro_> bfiller: I sent you an email with the details of the branch that fixes the notepad tests
[20:08] <bfiller> nerochiaro_: I saw that. thanks!
[20:08] <nerochiaro_> bfiller: cc'd didier too as you said he was interested
[20:09] <nerochiaro_> bfiller: np, hopefully it will work
[20:09] <thomi> nerochiaro_: mzanetti had a branch, which fails to build today. If he doesn't get to it, I'll eventually get there, but there's many more important things on my TODO list.
[20:09] <bfiller> nerochiaro_: I'll test it once it builds in jenks
[20:09] <thomi> nerochiaro_: it's probably very easy tomake it build. If you wanted to take a crack at it I can promise a review....
[20:10] <nerochiaro_> thomi: i've never touched autopilot except for using it to write tests, i'm not entirely sure where to start. mzanetti told me to ask you
[20:11] <thomi> nerochiaro_: yeah. that's fair enough :)
[20:11] <thomi> nerochiaro_: how urgent is it?
[20:13] <nerochiaro_> thomi: it's blocking some integration tests that i have been waiting to merge since a few weeks
[20:14] <thomi> nerochiaro_: ok.... I'll do my best to get to it today. can't promise anything though :-/
[20:16] <nerochiaro_> thomi: thank you !
[20:18] <nerochiaro_> thomi: i'm on the opposite time zone as you and I'll probably go offline soon. Can you please email me a quick update at the end of your day, regardless if you manage to get to it or not ?
[20:37] <thomi> nerochiaro_: fix pushed to the MP - it just needed trunk merging.
[20:37] <thomi> nerochiaro_: can you please test it, and approve the MP if it fixes the issue for you?
[20:52] <mmcc> ping jdstrand: some of us on ralsina's 'dash ui' team are looking at using the QML WebView Component for some new code, and thus have questions about the current status of oxide...
[21:16] <jdstrand> mmcc: best to talk with chrisccoulson
[21:17] <jdstrand> mmcc: I could give a high level overview, but then you would certainly ask followup questions that would need chrisccoulson
[21:17] <jdstrand> mmcc: :)