[14:21] cub ping [14:22] cub re: languages.... c c++ python would be my guesses [14:23] it depends on the lib the dev wishes to use [14:23] gtk is c and qt is c++ [14:25] we were trying to avoid kde apps for a while but that was to ship less libs. [14:25] in the end we want the best or most used apps to be included. [14:29] ah, I'm trying to convince a friend who is a developer to participate in ubuntu studio [14:29] I think he mostly work with c and c++ [14:29] we don't do that much coding ourselves. [14:30] no but it would not hurt to have someone who knows some about it? [14:30] Most of what we do is with script like python or perl [14:30] The big use we would have fopeople who know code is bug fixing. [14:30] yeah [14:31] but we'll see, he's quite busy with work, family and music...as most of us so he wasn't sure he would have the time [14:32] Our direction seems to be changing some. The focus seems to be moving towards making the workflow metas really good. [14:32] Once in a while work is good too. as you have probably seen there are no real dead lines [14:36] cub: There's perhaps only one project that might need C/C++ coding - a workflow manager, most likely in the form of a panel. It's a loose concept that has not been deeply developed yet [14:36] Our other applications, the installer, and ubuntustudio-controls could both be coded in any language with either GTK or QT [14:37] currently, -installer is in perl? and -controls is python/GTK [14:38] We do have deadlines. But, we don't get serious consequences in not making them, as we are not a business. [14:48] I was looking at the work flow page last week, but unsure on how to proceed [14:48] it feels like april 2014 is quite soon. :P [14:49] this one: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/PackageListSaucy [14:51] cub: categories needs to be established, and then, each application needs to be put into a category [14:51] It would be good to add all that data to a searchable database [14:51] We don't need to do it all over again for each release either [14:51] Just update it [14:53] The categories should follow existing freedesktop and Debian categories as much as possible [14:53] That means, one needs to understand what those are first [14:53] well, Debian has sections. Not sure about the details myself, actually [14:56] Sorry, packages need to be tagges with one or more categories. Not applications, as that is not the same thing [14:58] the current list, is that everything that is available or is it what's actually included in an default installation? [14:59] hm should be all available, as I understand it [15:07] all available under the "sound" section of Ubuntu [15:08] not nessecarily all that should be included under the audio workflow, since there might be non-"sound" packages that belong there too [15:08] yup [15:09] perhaps we should use a calc document for this? [15:09] one that we can share and use as basis for a searchable database [15:10] or what's the term, calc sheet? [15:19] spread sheet [15:19] but most people sadly call it "Excel sheet" [15:20] what's a good way to share it? Ubuntu One? [15:36] Sure [15:37] zequence, spreadsheet [15:37] it's nice if the data can easily be transferred to other form of databases easily. I suppose there's a way to save in a common format [15:37] well CSV usually works [15:38] oh, heh, didn't notice cub already said that ;)