[07:40] <elfy> ochosi: not got time to deal with it now - but just so you know - neither mrpouit's nor micah's ppas have trusty - set them to saucy and then apt fails to find libxfce4ui
[07:45] <Noskcaj> elfy, I still think the best course of action is to get libxfce4ui uploaded to experimental
[07:58] <ochosi> Noskcaj: maybe, but i think the best course of action is to get things uploaded to ubuntu asap
[07:59] <elfy> agreed ochosi 
[07:59] <ochosi> i'm a fan of the additional value of getting things through debian, but in my experience, we lose a lot of valuable time
[07:59] <Noskcaj> Yeah, i'm working on libxfce now, it should be ppa ready soon
[07:59] <ochosi> cool
[07:59] <Noskcaj> What should the maintainer be?
[08:00] <ochosi> good question, if you only throw it in a PPA it's not that important
[08:00] <ochosi> but libxfce4ui is already packaged
[08:00] <ochosi> micah did that one
[08:00] <ochosi> the one we need is the indicator-plugin
[08:01] <elfy> libxfce4ui is the one I'm not finding 
[08:03] <ochosi> yeah, but for that one i would presume that copying the package within a PPA to trusty would suffice
[08:06] <Noskcaj> ochosi, I was adding a few changes for the pkg-xfce svn as well, minor stuff
[08:07] <elfy> I hate wandering around in launchpad trying to find downloads
[08:09] <ochosi> Noskcaj: ah right
[08:09] <elfy> not that it really matters I guess, until I can ask people to test it properly from PPAs it's a moot point
[08:10] <Noskcaj> Plus i'll add symbols.
[08:11] <ochosi> elfy: yeah i think ideally we will have all three packages in a PPA together...
[08:11] <Noskcaj> We should use ~xubuntu-dev for that, but i'll see if i can get it all into my PPA
[08:12] <elfy> I'm just redoing the 'old' panel for the moment 
[08:16] <ochosi> Noskcaj: yeah, in a way we should, otoh for testing it can also be a separate PPA so it's easier and more straightforward for testers
[08:16] <ochosi> in the end we should get this into trusty anyway and hopefully also back into saucy
[08:18] <elfy> yep +1 to both of those
[08:19] <elfy> tbh though it's shouldn't be should get this into trusty, but have to :p
[08:19] <ochosi> yeah...
[08:19] <ochosi> Noskcaj: i really hope you'll get package upload rights soon, micahg is always very swamped with work...
[08:20] <elfy> and +1 to that as well
[08:20] <Noskcaj> :)
[08:21]  * ochosi feels he has to keep going saying stuff that elfy will then +1...
[08:22] <elfy> +1
[08:22] <elfy> :p
[08:24] <ochosi> bbl
[08:49] <Noskcaj> Everything is at https://launchpad.net/~noskcaj/+archive/indicator-gtk3 , I probably did some packaging wrong due to not getting a test build to go
[09:53] <ali1234> ochosi: fixed GVariant
[10:01] <slickymaster> morning all
[10:02] <slickymaster> elfy: as soon as you have a minute to spare please merge https://code.launchpad.net/~slickymaster/ubuntu-manual-tests/ubuntu-manual-tests/+merge/196989
[10:02] <slickymaster> jjfrv8: ping
[10:08] <knome> slickymaster, merged and updated in the tracker
[10:08] <knome> err
[10:08] <knome> not yet
[10:08] <knome> ;)
[10:09] <knome> now it is
[10:13] <slickymaster> knome: thanks
[10:13] <slickymaster> proceeding now to https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1250560
[10:14] <knome> :)
[10:24] <cub> Hi elfy, I read the "Xubuntu and Autopilot Testing" email you sent to the Ubuntu Studio devel-list asking if anyone would have time to look into it, what would that be? Where can I find out more on what we would need to do?
[10:27] <knome> cub, generally for digging into autopilot, join #ubuntu-quality
[10:29] <ochosi> morning all
[10:29] <knome> hullo ochosi 
[10:29] <ochosi> hullo knome 
[10:30] <jjfrv8> slickymaster, pong
[10:31] <slickymaster> jjfrv8: morning. 
[10:31] <slickymaster> morning ochosi 
[10:31] <knome> hey jjfrv8 :)
[10:31] <jjfrv8> hey all
[10:32] <slickymaster> jjfrv8: just wanted to know if you want to split things with the xfdesktop like we did with parole
[10:32] <jjfrv8> slickymaster, you want to do Usage and I'll do Preferences?
[10:32] <slickymaster> jjfrv8: it's a deal :)
[10:32] <jjfrv8> cool
[10:33] <slickymaster> I saw that you already define in the wiki the template to work with
[10:33] <jjfrv8> ah ok, was just going to ask you that
[10:33] <ochosi> actually, before we continue, i think i'll try to replicate the namespace of docs.xfce
[10:34] <ochosi> then i don't have to change all the links again :)
[10:34] <jjfrv8> slickymaster, when you say the 'template' you mean this? http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=playground:sceenshot-stds-xfdesktop
[10:35] <slickymaster> jjfrv8: yeaps, that's the one
[10:35] <jjfrv8> :)
[10:36] <slickymaster> I probably should had called it the screenshot standardization document
[10:36] <ochosi> hm, seems i can't easily do that as xfce does some url-rewriting...
[10:36] <ochosi> so nevermind me :)
[10:36] <knome> ochosi, boo. ;)
[10:36] <jjfrv8> slickymaster, I think I gave you the same permissions you had before. If not, maybe ochosi would be able to fix it, I won't be around til later this evening.
[10:37] <ochosi> yeah, i'm an admin on the wiki now, so if you have problems, i can (hopefully) help
[10:37] <slickymaster> jjfrv8, ochosi, if needed I'll bother you with that ;)
[10:37] <ochosi> sounds good :>
[10:39] <jjfrv8> i'm surprised I could type this early :)  bbl
[11:55] <elfy> knome: ok - checked the various issues with the testcases on the pad - done bugs for them - all of them :(
[11:55] <knome> heh
[11:56] <elfy> linked it all to the blueprint so I don't forget 
[11:59] <knome> oki
[12:03] <slickymaster> elfy: hi, you're a hard man to find
[12:04] <elfy> hi slickymaster - I always reply to mails :)
[12:04] <slickymaster> elfy: I'm thinking that we should probably think of making a manual testcase for mugshot
[12:05] <slickymaster> elfy: I can do it, of you're ok with it
[12:05] <elfy> yep - I just want to make sure that testcases we're doing for the new features are properly installable before hand
[12:05] <elfy> I assume you saw the mail to the dev list at the weekend re the new things
[12:05] <slickymaster> yeaps
[12:06] <elfy> k
[12:06] <slickymaster> the question is, where is the bug going to be filled against, ubuntu manual tests, mugshot itself or xubuntu -qa?
[12:06] <elfy> and I've just reported some bugs that are linked to the qa blueprint that we'll need to deal with as well
[12:06] <elfy> manual tests
[12:07] <slickymaster> do you want me to raise it or do you prefer to do it yourself?
[12:07] <elfy> you can if you want - just make sure to link the bug on the blueprint as well :)
[12:08] <elfy> we'll need at least 3 - mugshot/menulibre/lightlocker
[12:08] <slickymaster> ok, will do, including the testcase itself, since I've already translated it and tested it before
[12:08] <elfy> possibly also gtk3 ind - but I'm not sure that we can actually test that :)
[12:08] <elfy> and if whiskermenu is going to be a default - we'll need one for that as well
[12:09] <knome> elfy, the gtk3 indicators are going to be at least in some way intertwined with the panel tests
[12:09] <slickymaster> elfy: yes, but there's no guaranties on the whiskermenu yet, are there? 
[12:09] <elfy> yea - maybe so knome - but still what can we test? the indicators work?
[12:10] <elfy> slickymaster: no - not yet
[12:10] <knome> elfy, yep, like if the sound indicator changes the volume when you scoll over it and such
[12:10] <knome> scroll too
[12:11] <slickymaster> well, I'll start on the mugshot one
[12:11] <elfy> yep - not much work in getting that into a test tbh
[12:11] <elfy> slickymaster: ok :)
[12:11] <slickymaster> afterwards I'll pick up on whatever it's needed
[12:11] <elfy> slickymaster: are you going to report all 3 though? 
[12:12] <slickymaster> elfy: yes, no problem
[12:12] <elfy> ok - thanks
[12:12] <slickymaster> np
[12:12] <slickymaster> I'll try to do it after lunch
[12:13] <knome> elfy, slickymaster: just a warning that menulibre is changing... poke bluesabre 
[12:13] <elfy> slickymaster: actually - I'm sitting here feeling sorry for myself - I'll report them all and link them - you'll be able to pick them up from the blueprint
[12:14] <elfy> knome: ok - thanks - I need to tie down when these things are going to appear - was waiting till later in the day to grab bluesabre 
[12:14] <slickymaster> elfy: okie dokie, I'll wait thejn
[12:14] <slickymaster> *then
[12:14] <knome> the menulibre changes should land relatively soon
[12:14] <elfy> ok 
[12:16] <slickymaster> elfy: I'll try also to get https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1250560 done by the middle of the week to get it merge and the tracker updated for the wekkend
[12:16] <slickymaster> *weekend
[12:19] <elfy> ok - all done 
[12:19] <elfy> slickymaster: ok thanks
[12:21] <slickymaster> elfy: yeah, saw it
[12:29]  * DanChapman waves to elfy and slickymaster
[12:29] <elfy> hi DanChapman :)
[12:29]  * slickymaster waves back to DanChapman 
[12:29] <slickymaster> hi DanChapman 
[12:30] <slickymaster> elfy: quick question, What do you mean by old format in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+bug/1256892
[12:30] <elfy> it's not been updated to the new way of writing them
[12:30] <elfy> but I'm going to talk to balloons about that one 
[12:31] <slickymaster> ok
[12:32] <elfy> I've assigned me to it now 
[12:33] <elfy> bbl
[12:40] <bluesabre> elfy, knome, slickymaster: it's going to be 95% different than the existing version, so don't bother writing any tests yet :)
[12:40] <bluesabre> bbl
[12:41] <slickymaster> bluesabre: ok
[12:41] <slickymaster> elfy: I also picked https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+bug/1256894 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+bug/1256898
[13:01] <elfy> bluesabre: thanks 
[13:04] <knome> elfy, slickymaster: edited bug 1256894 to be flavor-agnostic
[13:04] <elfy> ok
[14:42] <ochosi> ali1234: wait, so does that mean i can test it now without trashing my panel config? :)
[14:42] <ali1234> no
[14:43] <ali1234> it means maybe it won't trash your panel
[14:53] <ochosi> hehe, ok
[14:58] <ali1234> i just tried it on a different computer and it worked
[14:58] <ochosi> nice
[14:58] <ochosi> so you can save your panel config with it and you can push a config-file through it?
[14:58] <ali1234> yes
[14:59] <ali1234> save.py > panel.cfg
[14:59] <ali1234> load.py panel.cfg
[14:59] <ali1234> if you have launchers it doesn't backup the .desktop, so they break
[15:04] <ali1234> copied them manually and it works
[15:11] <brainwash> does the software-center crash few seconds after launch for anybody else (trusty)?
[15:12] <slickymaster_> brainwash: yes, there's a bug reported on that, by me, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/1204073
[15:13] <brainwash> looks different
[15:13] <brainwash> it is basically bug 1251814
[15:13] <brainwash> my report is currently hidden
[15:14] <brainwash> "software-center crashed with signal 5 in cairo_surface_flush()"
[15:14] <ochosi> ali1234: sweet, that sounds almost like what you had in mind for version 1.0
[15:17] <slickymaster_> brainwash: when you say hidden, you mean you can't access the report in /var/crash ?
[15:17] <brainwash> nah, set to private I mean
[15:18] <slickymaster_> ah
[15:18] <brainwash> apport has uploaded a huge core dump :D
[15:18] <slickymaster_> about 15-17 MB I would guess
[15:18] <brainwash> 14.3
[15:19] <slickymaster_> I've experienced that one, also
[15:20] <brainwash> I will boot a daily image and test it later
[15:20] <slickymaster_> I'm testing today's image as we speak, so in a matter of minutes I'll ping after trying SC
[15:20] <slickymaster_> ping you ^^
[15:20] <brainwash> ok :)
[15:28] <ochosi> elfy: if and after you've tried Noskcaj's PPA (https://launchpad.net/~noskcaj/+archive/indicator-gtk3) and it works, would you mind updating the wiki instructions?
[15:29] <elfy> ochosi: I'll try and get on that tomorrow at some point - and if I do get it working - of course I will :)
[15:32] <ochosi> elfy: thanks very cool. i'd do it but i don't have a trusty testbox at this point..
[15:36] <elfy> ochosi: yep - that's ok 
[15:42] <slickymaster_> brainwash: yeaps. comirmed
[15:42] <slickymaster_> *confirmed
[15:43] <brainwash> slickymaster_: thanks
[15:48] <slickymaster_> brainwash: I'm going to upload to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/1251814 the backtrace of my crash as there is none in that bug report
[15:51] <brainwash> slickymaster_: ok, I'll mark my report as dupe later
[15:52] <slickymaster_> ok
[17:39] <slickymaster_> bbl
[19:30] <Noskcaj> What should i do to fix https://launchpadlibrarian.net/158111167/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-amd64.xfce4-indicator-plugin_2.2.0-2ubuntu1.1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz ?
[19:39] <mr_pouit> checking for gtk+-3.0 >= 3.6.0... not found
[19:39] <mr_pouit> you're missing the build dep on gtk3 devel libs
[19:39] <Noskcaj> thanks, will fix
[19:39] <mr_pouit> that was actually written in the log :P
[19:40] <Noskcaj> I am too stupid for this. 
[19:40] <Noskcaj> why can't the issue always be at the bottom of the log
[19:49] <mr_pouit> it was at the bottom of the "classic" configure script output "checking for $stuff..."
[19:50] <mr_pouit> but because of the failure, it printed the whole config.log, which isn't particularly readable
[19:50] <Noskcaj> yeah, i saw
[20:04] <Noskcaj> mr_pouit,Since you are here, could you help with a gthumb packaging issue? https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntu/trusty/gthumb/3.2.5 has the details. 
[21:05] <Noskcaj> Can someone review https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntu/trusty/xfce4-terminal/0.6.2-4ubuntu1 ?
[21:19] <ochosi> ali1234: wow, instead of the patch being merged, something rather unexpected happened and the bug in lightdm was marked "invalid" (without explanation): https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1256150
[21:24] <ochosi> ali1234: meh, stupid me, overlooked it was marked invalid only for xorg... anyway, highlighted the issue to robert and he said he'll push your fix, so congrats and thanks! :)
[21:54] <slickymaster> good night all
[21:54] <Unit193> slickymaster: Sleep well. ;)
[21:54] <slickymaster> I'll hope so, when I'll get to bed
[23:32] <Noskcaj> Can someone with a spare 14.04 install try https://launchpad.net/~noskcaj/+archive/indicator-gtk3 ? I don't fully trust my packaging
[23:33] <Noskcaj> I know the dependencies are wrong, not sure what else. It should all be put in a new ~xubuntu-dev PPA really
[23:33] <ochosi> Noskcaj: if you can also upload the pkgs for saucy, i'm in
[23:34] <ochosi> Noskcaj: theoretically you could try to just copy the packages to saucy, but i'm not sure it's the same
[23:35] <ochosi> either way, thanks for your efforts!