| === rogpeppe1 is now known as rogpeppe | ||
| === gary_poster|away is now known as gary_poster | ||
| gary_poster | rick_h_, I was going to say thank you to Hannah for her email but wanted to confirm that you can add things on allhands. could you confirm? | 13:32 |
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| rick_h_ | gary_poster: looking now | 13:37 |
| gary_poster | ty | 13:37 |
| gary_poster | rick_h_, radio silence on the CI email. :-/ worried that it means tl;dr | 13:39 |
| gary_poster | sigh | 13:39 |
| rick_h_ | gary_poster: yea, I was thinking of doing personal pings to at least curtis/john | 13:39 |
| gary_poster | yeah would be great, thank you | 13:39 |
| rick_h_ | gary_poster: objective sheet submitted | 13:45 |
| gary_poster | awesome, thanks rick_h_ | 13:46 |
| rick_h_ | thanks for getting it opened up | 13:46 |
| hatch | morning all | 13:46 |
| rick_h_ | up early hatch ? | 13:46 |
| rick_h_ | are you still 3hrs back? | 13:47 |
| hatch | so on Friday I picked up a digital ocean account, it would be much cheaper to run our CI there than on ec2 - unfortunately it doesn't support Juju until we can use Manual Provisioning in the next version of Juju | 13:47 |
| rick_h_ | or two I guess | 13:47 |
| hatch | rick_h_ I'm ALWAYS GMT-6 | 13:47 |
| gary_poster | and not cranky about it all! | 13:48 |
| hatch | lol | 13:48 |
| hatch | -always- | 13:48 |
| hatch | is that better? | 13:48 |
| hatch | :P | 13:48 |
| hatch | it's 7:48 here | 13:48 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: yea, I've got a free open source account on rackspace but no juju there either | 13:48 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: ah, so you're only 1hr back now | 13:48 |
| gary_poster | so much better :-) | 13:48 |
| hatch | if we actually used DST it would make no difference, it's still dark an hour later haha | 13:49 |
| rick_h_ | heh | 13:49 |
| === BradCrittenden is now known as bac | ||
| bac | hi frankban, using quickstart the gui deploys but then there is a connection refused error when connecting the web socket. have you seen that before? | 13:59 |
| frankban | bac: is it different from what you reported yesterday? | 14:00 |
| bac | yes | 14:00 |
| bac | frankban: it is using --no-browser and isn't the auth-connect problem. will paste | 14:00 |
| frankban | bac: cool thanks | 14:01 |
| bac | frankban: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6514606/ | 14:01 |
| bac | i assume it is the connection to begin deploying the bundle | 14:01 |
| * bac changes his ec2 connection password now... | 14:04 | |
| rick_h_ | :) | 14:04 |
| frankban | bac: it seems so, and it's weird, is this trunk? | 14:05 |
| bac | frankban: yes | 14:05 |
| frankban | bac: what happens if you re-run the same command, reusing the existing env? | 14:11 |
| * bac tries | 14:12 | |
| bac | frankban: it succeeds. | 14:12 |
| frankban | bac: :-/ | 14:12 |
| hatch | new Tim Horton k-cups - are almost exactly like in the store | 14:13 |
| hatch | innnteresting | 14:13 |
| rick_h_ | that says a bit about what's in the store | 14:13 |
| hatch | hey gary_poster Happy Birthday! | 14:13 |
| gary_poster | :-) thanks hatch | 14:13 |
| frankban | bac: so my guess is that, even if juju marked the service as started, the guiserver was not yet up and running... | 14:14 |
| hatch | no problem! Where is the party??? | 14:15 |
| bac | yeah, hbd gary | 14:16 |
| frankban | bac: so a possible solution is that app.connect retries the "juju.connect(api_url)" step several times before giving up | 14:16 |
| bac | frankban: ok, i'll file a bug. do you want to try to reproduce? | 14:16 |
| frankban | bac: I'll do, are you using local or ec2? | 14:16 |
| bac | frankban: ec2 | 14:20 |
| gary_poster | thanks bac :-) | 14:21 |
| hatch | rick_h_ while granted it's not the best coffee around, a k-cup is no different than a drip coffee maker albeit with a lot more waste | 14:24 |
| benji | marcoceppi: I have a WIP branch with several comments explaining different bits up for your pre-review at https://codereview.appspot.com/36190043/ | 14:40 |
| bac | frankban: you may be interested to know i discovered yesterday that with no default-series set juju now creates precise instances. in the past it had defaulted to the OS of the local machine, saucy in my case. this seems like a sane change. | 14:54 |
| frankban | bac: cool, so we only have to handle explicit default-series | 14:56 |
| marcoceppi | benji: thanks! I've not used lbox, or codereview, so I'll dig in, in a few mins | 14:59 |
| hatch | gary_poster rick_h_ https://github.com/arturadib/shelljs you might find this interesting | 14:59 |
| gary_poster | cool | 15:00 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: heh, I'm not generally all for reinventing X with Y stuff. Go JS though I guess. Probably helps with the grunt stuff. | 15:01 |
| hatch | well it beats trying to write stuff in make/bash :) | 15:01 |
| rick_h_ | if you spent as much time finding a way around make to just read part of the book about make, you'd be a jedi master :P | 15:03 |
| hatch | HAH! that doesn't fix it's shortcomings lol | 15:04 |
| rick_h_ | yet the clones never seem to get its advantages either | 15:05 |
| hatch | big money big money no wammy's! Cmon launchpad, third time is the charm! | 15:05 |
| rick_h_ | lol | 15:05 |
| rick_h_ | <3 that a show that's not been on the air for 20 years is still a know-able reference | 15:05 |
| hatch | haha yeah it's awesome | 15:06 |
| hatch | well the only real advantage to bash/make is that you don't need to install any deps :) | 15:06 |
| hatch | so any clone will never be able to get that advantage, unless we can convince peeps to install node/python by default in the distro hah | 15:07 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: that statement shows you don't know enough bash/make if you think that's the only advantage :) | 15:07 |
| hatch | I guess...what's another one? | 15:08 |
| rick_h_ | multi pass dependency resolution? INI variable overrides? speed? target globbing? | 15:08 |
| hatch | well you can do those from any higher level language as well | 15:09 |
| hatch | and for ones which you can't you can always shell out for that one little bit | 15:09 |
| rick_h_ | can do vs is implemented in X? | 15:10 |
| rick_h_ | the thing is all the clones start out solving the easy stuff that anyone can do. It's the more powerful useful things I get annoyed with the clones for | 15:10 |
| rick_h_ | it's not about adding features, just "anything but X" mentality | 15:10 |
| hatch | right, well some things just haven't been implemented in the higher level languages so in those cases it needs to be shelled out for | 15:11 |
| rick_h_ | so you have to know shell anyway :) | 15:11 |
| hatch | right, but that doesn't make it enjoyable to write | 15:11 |
| rick_h_ | carry on! /me goes back to hacking | 15:11 |
| hatch | jujugui looking for a review and qa https://codereview.appspot.com/36500044/ plz and thx | 15:13 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: I can peek at it | 15:14 |
| hatch | thanks | 15:14 |
| hatch | it's a pretty easy review/qa just a little tedious to qa | 15:15 |
| gary_poster | hatch, would it be easy to also do a better job of passing the Juju Core error message through? | 15:16 |
| gary_poster | maybe that's uin the branch already--just going by your cover letter | 15:16 |
| hatch | gary_poster I think we fixed that in a previous branch, let me take a look | 15:17 |
| gary_poster | cool ty | 15:17 |
| hatch | gary_poster good catch I'll add this to the branch | 15:18 |
| hatch | ^ rick_h_ | 15:19 |
| gary_poster | thanks hatch | 15:19 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: k, will ignore it for a little bit more then | 15:19 |
| hatch | rick_h_ I'll have to spin up an LXC instance to test this, it'll be a bit | 15:22 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: rgr | 15:22 |
| hatch | so my router reset (for whatever reason) and assigned all new ips across my network :/ | 15:36 |
| hatch | i've probably been h4x0r3d | 15:37 |
| hatch | jujugui call in 10 | 15:50 |
| gary_poster | ty | 15:50 |
| frankban | gary_poster: do you have time for a pre-imp after the call? | 15:51 |
| gary_poster | frankban, yes, sounds good | 15:51 |
| frankban | thanks! | 15:51 |
| bac | frankban: i filed bug 1257349. were you able to reproduce? | 15:57 |
| _mup_ | Bug #1257349: Quickstart fails if guiserver not up yet <juju-quickstart:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1257349> | 15:57 |
| gary_poster | jujugui call in 1 | 15:58 |
| frankban | bac: not tried yet, thanks for filing the bug | 15:58 |
| bac | frankban: new card too | 15:58 |
| frankban | cool | 15:59 |
| gary_poster | benji Makyo ping | 16:00 |
| hatch | rick_h_ ok the new feature has been added but you cannot qa it as far as I know :) | 16:10 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: ok, so lbox is done, go review | 16:17 |
| hatch | wha? | 16:17 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: so was your last comment means that lbox is done and you'd like that reivew? | 16:18 |
| rick_h_ | review? | 16:18 |
| hatch | yes :) | 16:19 |
| hatch | the feature I added will only show up if there is difficulty in deploying a charm, so I'm not sure how to simulate that | 16:19 |
| rick_h_ | the name collision feature? | 16:19 |
| hatch | that one is easy to do, but now the validation is done in the GUI so the server will never get an invalid name | 16:20 |
| rick_h_ | k, will look at it | 16:20 |
| hatch | thanks | 16:23 |
| benji | rick_h_: I looked at the lander a fair bit I only had small, nit-picky thoughts, so either I'm getting soft, or I like it. | 16:34 |
| rick_h_ | benji: heh, ok | 16:35 |
| hatch | cd .. | 16:44 |
| hatch | oops | 16:44 |
| benji | rick_h_: would it be sane for me to do the "update browser tests to use sandbox env" card? | 16:45 |
| rick_h_ | benji: yes, that should be something we can do purely in the gui functional tests themselves. | 16:45 |
| benji | rick_h_: cool, what does it mean? | 16:45 |
| rick_h_ | benji: it might bread out into a couple of cards, let me know if you want to pre-chat on it | 16:45 |
| rick_h_ | benji: hangout? | 16:46 |
| benji | rick_h_: sure; shall I create one? | 16:46 |
| rick_h_ | sure thanks | 16:46 |
| benji | rick_h_: or benjiyork.com/chat worked for you, right? | 16:46 |
| rick_h_ | benji: rgr | 16:46 |
| benji | rick_h_: hmm, "full" (not sure how that happened). Try this: https://apprtc.appspot.com/?r=56434678 | 16:47 |
| benji | rick_h_: ok, I'll make a hangout | 16:48 |
| rick_h_ | sec, retrying | 16:48 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: review inbound | 17:06 |
| hatch | thx | 17:06 |
| rick_h_ | man, I miss the recently closed tabs ui in the current chrome dev stuff :( | 17:10 |
| frankban | gary_poster, Makyo: six "envs management" cards created, the ones with my face | 17:13 |
| Makyo | frankban, cool | 17:14 |
| hatch | rick_h_ that dropdown is gone? | 17:18 |
| Makyo | https://twitter.com/BoredElonMusk/status/407921563011256320/photo/1/large | 17:19 |
| hatch | lol | 17:20 |
| bac | so Makyo is that a real thing with musk? or is it a baseless (though still funny) joke? | 17:22 |
| Makyo | Just a joke, I'm sure. | 17:22 |
| hatch | bac baseless? PLEASE! | 17:22 |
| hatch | :P | 17:23 |
| Makyo | Given that his location is set to 'Mars'. | 17:23 |
| bac | you never know | 17:23 |
| hatch | "Apple falls short of analysts expectations, stocks fall" <--- the problem with the stock market lol | 17:23 |
| bac | nancy did set ronnie's schedule based on her numerologist | 17:23 |
| hatch | gary_poster rick_h_ the email from Maarten looks like a perfect usecase for our 'proposed' subordinate for the GH stuff | 17:25 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: well he replied to the email i sent out with the notes of our work in progress stuff. | 17:28 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: so he's aware of that already | 17:28 |
| hatch | oh ok cool - I try to follow emails but there are so many :) | 17:28 |
| rick_h_ | yea, know what you mean | 17:29 |
| hatch | man that unit error branch was a 1 line fix and took an hour to qa | 17:33 |
| hatch | :/ | 17:33 |
| hatch | lol | 17:33 |
| hatch | I gota speed up that lxc machine somehow | 17:34 |
| hatch | umm | 17:39 |
| hatch | so we don't have any tests for removeUnit in the fakebackend? | 17:39 |
| hatch | how did THAT happen | 17:39 |
| hatch | :D | 17:39 |
| Makyo | Magic? | 17:41 |
| hatch | haha | 17:42 |
| hatch | lunchtime! | 17:48 |
| gary_poster | hatch, rick_h_ agreed that it sounds like a good match | 18:08 |
| hatch | juju is so awesome | 18:09 |
| hatch | :) | 18:09 |
| gary_poster | rick_h_, should I volunteer us to Maarten? | 18:17 |
| hatch | I can also help with that if you guys need a grunt | 18:17 |
| rick_h_ | gary_poster: well I was assuming he's looking for more. He replied to the original CI email and asked some questions and curtis jumped in explaining some use of subordinate charms. | 18:18 |
| rick_h_ | gary_poster: I'm hesitent because I'm not sure where it's going. | 18:18 |
| gary_poster | rick_h_, yeah, I know what you mean, and we want to be done. | 18:23 |
| rick_h_ | gary_poster: I guess I'm happy to talk about it, but his email seems very centric on setting up a workflow around java based things, auto creating jobs out of github projects, etc, none of which is in our current scope of stuff. | 18:23 |
| gary_poster | rt | 18:24 |
| gary_poster | ok might reply but will do so carefully. :-) thanks rick_h_ | 18:24 |
| rick_h_ | if who ever does work on it want to see if we have some common ground I'm happy to coordinate that bit | 18:24 |
| rick_h_ | gary_poster: rgr | 18:25 |
| gary_poster | cool | 18:25 |
| hatch | ahh I thought it was just jenkins plugins as subordinates | 18:26 |
| hatch | in the general sense | 18:26 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: maybe I'm reading more into the email. I'm just trying to be careful :) | 18:27 |
| hatch | haha, yeah don't go get yourself sucked into writing Java | 18:27 |
| hatch | :P | 18:27 |
| hatch | marcoceppi I would like some assistance writing the http hook for my ghost charm so that I can hook it up to apache for load balancing so that I can release a bundle...any idea who I might talk to? | 18:37 |
| marcoceppi | hatch: me? | 19:05 |
| hatch | That's right, Santa is gona be Canadian! http://gizmodo.com/canadas-getting-ready-to-claim-the-north-pole-as-its-o-1475643608 | 19:05 |
| hatch | marcoceppi you want to help? | 19:05 |
| hatch | I'll take it! | 19:05 |
| marcoceppi | hatch: http hook should be pretty straight forward | 19:05 |
| marcoceppi | not sure what you'll nee | 19:06 |
| hatch | well reading the apache charm it was saying I needed to write some apache directives and set them on relation-change ? | 19:06 |
| * marcoceppi becomes disgruntled | 19:07 | |
| marcoceppi | hatch: one sec, let me see | 19:07 |
| hatch | ok thanks - I could be totally misunderstanding it too | 19:08 |
| hatch | https://twitter.com/NodeSummit/status/407951852358348800 Go JavaScript! | 19:19 |
| bac | weird, juju-quickstart that has a test that fails depending on what shell you run it in. | 19:40 |
| hatch | rick_h_ any idea if I can set up my work email for the juju project on github somehow? | 19:41 |
| bac | due to the way the docstring has line-breaks when --help is run | 19:41 |
| hatch | bac that's interesting | 19:41 |
| bac | it was frustrating. now it is interesting. | 19:41 |
| hatch | yeah I suppose I didn't have to go through the frustrating part :) | 19:42 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: http://www.codeography.com/2011/08/05/project-specific-git-author.html ? | 19:42 |
| hatch | rick_h_ well that is for commit messages and such | 19:43 |
| hatch | the emails come from gmail | 19:43 |
| hatch | er | 19:43 |
| hatch | github | 19:43 |
| hatch | at least as I understand how it works.. | 19:43 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: https://gist.github.com/BPScott/1366790 | 19:44 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: see the link at the top of it | 19:44 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: a quick search for github select email per project | 19:44 |
| hatch | oh awesome! | 19:45 |
| bac | and now it is fixed | 19:45 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: that's a good point thouogh. I'll add that to the notes/docs | 19:45 |
| hatch | rick_h_ somewhat in the same light - it might also be worth a note about setting up your 'user' for the juju git repo so that people don't commit using their personal emails and whatnot | 19:46 |
| hatch | can we remove python support yet? huh huh can we can we can we plz!!!!!!! | 19:57 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: huh? | 19:57 |
| hatch | pyjuju sorry | 19:57 |
| hatch | :) | 19:57 |
| rick_h_ | oh, heh | 19:57 |
| bac | gary_poster: our call is now? can you invite my canonical me? | 20:02 |
| gary_poster | bac, finishing up with mramm | 20:03 |
| hatch | jujugui looking for a review/qa https://codereview.appspot.com/36690043/ plz and thx | 20:04 |
| Makyo | On it. | 20:05 |
| Makyo | Also, done with appointment. Looking for a card after review. | 20:05 |
| hatch | thanks Makyo | 20:05 |
| hatch | most of it is just tests | 20:06 |
| hatch | and now onto the bug I have been avoiding..... | 20:15 |
| hatch | *grumble grumble grumble* | 20:15 |
| hatch | hey gary_poster did you end up picking up that js book yesterday? | 20:29 |
| gary_poster | hatch yes | 20:29 |
| hatch | think it's worth picking up? The descriptions looked a little beginner-ish. I was thinking of picking this up as well http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920027713.do | 20:30 |
| hatch | iunno, it's so hard to pick up a js book these days :) | 20:30 |
| hatch | reviews are mixed | 20:31 |
| gary_poster | hatch, I think the functional one is worth picking up. if you haven't seen someone go deep with functional programming, I think you'll find it fascinating. The beginning is beginnery but it doesn't stay there, and the whole idea is to introduce a different way of thinking from the ground up. For the other one you linked, yeah, reviews seem not so good. | 20:37 |
| hatch | cool, picking it up now | 20:39 |
| hatch | now if i could just remember my oreilly information | 20:39 |
| Makyo | hatch, chunk mismatch on your review (doing QA and going by diff for now, just fyi) | 20:56 |
| hatch | poop ok thanks | 20:56 |
| hatch | arg the issue I'm experiencing is not even possible! | 20:57 |
| hatch | bcsaller you look like you're bored and want to give me some info on databinding ;) | 21:08 |
| * bcsaller yawns | 21:09 | |
| bcsaller | how can I help? | 21:09 |
| hatch | well I have this very odd bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-gui/+bug/1253114 | 21:09 |
| _mup_ | Bug #1253114: Unit details left breakout sometimes empty when opening <juju-gui:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1253114> | 21:09 |
| hatch | as far as I can tell, it's rendering the template, the binding is being setup | 21:09 |
| hatch | but it's not updating the DOM to the values in the model | 21:10 |
| hatch | it's very intermittent | 21:10 |
| * bcsaller looks | 21:10 | |
| hatch | so I was wondering if you had any insight into what might be causing it, right now I'm console.log debugging hoping to catch a glimpse of something out of the ordinary | 21:11 |
| hatch | I should mention that the binding IS attached because the DOM will update after the first rendering | 21:11 |
| bcsaller | hatch: this is with the simulator running though, it could be removing the unit, maybe adding it back later? | 21:11 |
| bcsaller | like if this happens and you turn off the simulator will it ever recover? | 21:12 |
| hatch | if it happens and I just sit watching the unit details page, it will eventually fix itself on the next delta for that unit | 21:12 |
| bcsaller | so this is *only* with the simulator? it could be a fakebackend issue with addUnit then? | 21:13 |
| bcsaller | I'm wary of saying its a databinding issue, not because I think that code is perfect, but because this seems like the type of issue that would show up other places | 21:14 |
| hatch | hmm | 21:15 |
| hatch | it's almost impossible for me to debug on a real env | 21:15 |
| hatch | as it appears to happen when the unit changes states | 21:15 |
| bcsaller | hatch: short of walking through the debugger with you I don't have any additional insights. I'd be tempted to explore if it is a difference in the deltas coming from the fakebackend | 21:23 |
| hatch | bcsaller ok no problem I'll keep stepping through thanks though :) | 21:25 |
| hatch | ok I found something... | 21:27 |
| hatch | when it doesn't work the delta passed to the updateDOM doesn't contain the attributes for the unit details | 21:27 |
| hatch | I"m just rambing now feel free to get back to your real work :) | 21:28 |
| hatch | bcsaller found the issue fyi - if we take this path http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~juju-gui/juju-gui/trunk/view/head:/app/views/databinding.js#L173 then the other bindings aren't updated so it's kind of a race condition. if no modelChangeKeys are provided it works as expected. | 21:49 |
| hatch | just thought you'd be interested to know | 21:49 |
| hatch | now...how to fix... | 21:50 |
| * bcsaller checks | 21:50 | |
| bcsaller | hatch: should be an || in the condition, no? | 21:51 |
| hatch | basically instead of mixing it, it's filtering them out | 21:51 |
| bcsaller | == undefined || | 21:51 |
| bcsaller | hmm, no, maybe not | 21:52 |
| hatch | nope | 21:52 |
| hatch | right | 21:52 |
| hatch | :) | 21:52 |
| hatch | I'll fix it, no problem, just pointing it out | 21:52 |
| hatch | I'm actually surprised that we haven't run into this before heh | 21:52 |
| hatch | so this -could- have happened on a life env but almost never heh | 21:53 |
| bcsaller | yeah, odd | 21:53 |
| hatch | bcsaller my guess is that originally we wanted to update ONLY those keys but later decided that it should mix it in | 21:54 |
| hatch | and it was never updated | 21:54 |
| hatch | but somehow it just 'worked' for the 99.9% time | 21:54 |
| huwshimi | Morning | 21:58 |
| hatch | morning huwshimi | 21:59 |
| gary_poster | morning | 22:01 |
| hatch | hmm - fixed issue, cannot be sure | 22:16 |
| hatch | that's the crappy thing about race condition bugs hah | 22:17 |
| hatch | gary_poster since you were the other person to experience this issue think you could review/qa? https://codereview.appspot.com/36850043/ | 22:49 |
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