/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/12/03/#lubuntu.txt

ainxhello01:05
* wxl waves to ainx 01:06
ainxhi wxl01:07
ainxwxl, do you now someapplication for linux as sambroadcaster ?01:46
wxlainx: what type of server are you connecting to?01:47
ainxshoutcast01:49
wxlmixxx. it's really more dj software than "radio" software if you will but it's incredibly powerful.01:49
wxlanother option is idjc01:49
ainxi'm use it now01:50
wxlyou use what?01:50
ainxbut it's not working good01:50
wxlwhy not?01:50
holsteini used to use BUTT, broadcast using this tool.. to icecast.. or darkice out of JACK01:50
ainxi'm use mixxx01:50
ainxidjc i don't know if i install it01:51
wxlagain, what's wrong with mixxx?01:52
wxlhave you tried joining the #mixxx channel for support?01:52
ainxif i use mixxx my computer hang up01:57
wxlwhich version of mixxx are you using? on what hardware?01:57
ainx1.10.101:58
ainxcore 2 duo01:58
wxlpffht01:58
ainx2.8ghz 1gb ram01:58
wxlthat makes no sense01:58
wxlshould work gloriously01:58
wxli've had it working on MUCH lower end hardware01:58
ainxi don't know hoq01:58
ainxeh?01:58
ainxare you?01:58
wxlhow are you running it? do you have a million other things running at the same time?01:58
Unit193Tried removing the config and trying again?01:59
wxljoin #mixxx channel for support perhaps?02:00
ainxok i check this stuff02:00
wxlbutt sucks02:00
holsteinworks as advertised02:01
ainxreally suck?02:02
qingluohi all, i wanna to mask boot details. how can i do to instead of log show with boot image just like normal ubuntu or centos etc.06:46
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RickWeaverhi guys15:06
RickWeaveri have installed the Lubuntu yesterday and I have a question: some application does not have any window border, there is no icon to minimize or close the window15:07
RickWeaverwhat can i do with that?15:07
ainx /join #bizshells15:49
ainxsorry15:49
thetejuhello17:21
thetejuI need help. I am confused, I used to run Lubuntu on one of my netbook do not know which version, but now I am unable to install17:22
thetejuthe installation never makes it to finish. Is my netbook not strong enough for 13.04 onwards?17:23
wxlpossible, theteju. try alternate instaler.17:23
thetejuI have AMD athlon XP-M  +2000 processor with 1 GB ram17:23
wxlstill, try17:23
thetejuI tried alternate installer, with no success17:23
wxlthat is quite strange17:24
wxlwhere does it stop at? how long has it been stopped?17:24
bioterrorwith one 1GB I would run regular x8617:24
bioterrorgo with the 32bit17:24
thetejuwith alternate installer ,, it fails all the way at the end, as If it can not load the graphics17:25
bioterroralternate installer does not load graphics, it just installs them17:25
bioterrorwith alternate installer you can check installation progress with alt+function key17:25
bioterrorwas it alt+f2 or what17:25
thetejuyes,,  alternate installer, let me create partition, copies files everything goes, but upon restart it never makes it to the log in screen17:26
thetejuI tried twice.17:26
wxlwhere does it take you?17:26
bioterrorthen twiddle with the kernel paramters17:27
bioterrorlike noacpi noapic etc.17:27
thetejudo you guys think my processor is good enough to run the latest version of Lubuntu ?17:27
thetejuit is rated at 1.7 GHz if you just google.17:28
bioterrorSteve Jobs would say something about GHz myth17:28
bioterrorbut that was before switchin from PPC to x86 :D17:28
thetejucurrently I have PClinuxOS running on it,, but I hate it,, as My network card is not working on that system Lubuntu used to work flawlessly17:28
thetejumy stupid netbook does not support usb boot17:31
thetejuunfortunately everytime I have to burn an DVD17:32
thetejuok , I am downloading latest regular Iso,, will see what happens17:44
edburnsI'm running into some upgrade trouble going from 13.04 to 13.10.18:53
edburnsI have posted on the forum about it.18:53
edburnshttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=219147618:54
edburnswxl: Are you here?18:57
edburnswxl: Hello?21:12
thetejuhello guys,21:20
thetejuTried it again, whole installation goes smooth, but upon restart , I am stuck at the Lubuntu logo on the screen21:20
thetejuit never makes it to the desktop21:20
thetejuThe screen is stuck with "Lubuntu logo and five blue dots"21:21
thetejuany one??21:25
nannesedburns: I think you should use 12.04lts as suggested on the forum21:26
Unit193On first power on, hit shift and edit the boot option taking out  quiet splash21:26
Unit193(There is no Lubuntu LTS.)21:26
edburnsnannes: But what about all the data and config I already have on the Lubuntu 13.04 system?21:26
nannesedburns: Data == ? What kind of data?21:27
edburnsDocuments and such.21:27
nannesand config.... of which programs? cause everything can be backupED21:27
edburnsnannes: Re: config: Getting it to work with my local printer.21:27
nannesedburns: You temporairily store them into an external device21:27
nannestheteju: It looks like a graphical problem21:28
nannesCan you access tty1/2/... with  Ctrl ALT F1 ?21:28
nannesor F2 / F3    etc.21:28
edburnsnannes: Let me try that.21:29
nannesedburns: no sorry it was for theteju21:30
edburnsnannes: Ah.  Ok.21:30
nannesedburns: You actually cannot boot your lubuntu-box due to kernel incompatibilities right?21:30
edburnsnannes: I can, but only when I select the 3.8.x kernel.21:30
nannessorry But I'm doing support in so many channels I can get lost :S21:30
edburnsnannes: Yes, I can when I select the 3.8.0-33-generic kernel.21:31
nannesok, and ... is it a problem? I mean, if 3.8 works, isn't it ok for you?21:31
edburnsnannes: I guess it is.21:31
edburnsI need to be educated.21:31
nanneswhy21:31
nannesoh ok :)21:31
edburnsWhat is the relationship between lubuntu versions, such as 13.04 and 13.10, and kernel versions, such as 3.8.0-33-generic and 3.11.0-13-generic ?21:32
edburnsnannes: ?21:34
nannesWhat do you mean?21:34
nannesDo you wanna know the differences between the two or what?21:34
thetejunannes : not ctrl alt F1 or any other F keys does not get me to text screen21:34
thetejunannes; I am trying to boot from live CD now and let you know, whats there in the logs21:35
edburnsnannes: I had Lubuntu 13.04.  I guess that implied kernel 3.8.0-33-generic.  I said, "Yes" when lubuntu asked me if I wanted to upgrade to Lubuntu 13.10.  When that was done, I had 3.11.0-13-generic.21:35
thetejunannes: it look like graphic driver issue21:35
edburnsIf I run my Lubuntu 13.10 system with the  3.8.0-33-generic kernel, then do I really still have a lubuntu 13.10 system?21:35
thetejuUnfortunately I do not know how to fix it :(21:36
nannesedburns: Of course. Different Lubuntu versions have different kernel versions21:36
nannesBecause times goes on... and kernel gets updated21:36
nannesgets new drivers for the most recent devices, and also some fixes for the old ones21:36
nannesBut in your case, I think you don't need them, cause you didn't complain for any issue not working21:37
edburnsnannes: Well, I guess I want to know how to make it so GRUB always boots the 3.8.0-33-generic kernel, since the 3.11.0-13-generic flat out does not work at all.21:37
nannesconsidering, instead, that the newest kernel doesn't even let you boot, then... I can say there are no doubts21:37
thetejuand of course  the live cd also does not make it to graphics21:38
nannesedburns: That's very simple, you just need to edit a special file21:38
nannes/boot/grub/grub.cfg21:38
nannesbut very carefully, It's delicate. I can help you with that21:38
edburnsnannes: ok.21:39
edburnsIt says, "DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE".21:39
edburnsHmm.21:39
thetejunannes: is there any command to boot in safe graphical mode?21:40
nannesedburns: I did edit it. That sentence is in there to avoid newbies from modifying it causing malfunctioning problems21:41
edburnsnannes: Let me pastebin my current grub.cfg21:42
Unit193Um, no.  It says right below it why you aren't supposed to edit it. >_<21:42
nannestheteju: Of course, there is a grub parameter. BUT I would suggest you to try another way first21:43
Unit193theteju: Did you try booting removing the boot options  quiet splash  or adding  nomodeset  ?21:43
nannesYou should try  the  "nomodeset" parameter21:43
deleted_you can edit your grub file lol21:43
edburnsnannes: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/371242921:43
Unit193deleted_: Sure, but the next time you update your kernel, grub, initramfs, or who knows what else it'll just overwrite any modifications you made.21:44
edburnsUnit193: I tend to agree.21:44
edburnsIf you have a code generating system, it's better to make the changes upstream.21:44
thetejuOK : trying nomodeset anything else?21:44
nannestheteju:  this is the way: when you get to grub, you select your Ubuntu, but instead of pressing enter, you press 'E' key. You'll get to the boot string. In there you should remove "quiet splash" and put "nomodeset" instead. (of course without quotes)21:44
thetejuacpi =off  or noapic?21:45
thetejuor Option F6 allows me to select nomodeset21:45
nannestheteju: F6 is only for the installation process21:46
thetejuok hold on21:46
nannesedburns: well, then of course you can just remove the newest kernel, and its grub entry will disappear21:47
edburnsnannes: That seems reasonable.21:47
nannesThat's if you wanna avoid editing grub.cfg21:47
Unit193edburns: Trying to stick with a Raring kernel in Saucy?  The ramifications of that will be no security updates for it.21:48
edburnsUnit193: Yes, that was what I was worried about.21:48
edburnsOf course, this is just an old laptop that always runs inside my home firewall.21:49
Unit193Sure, and either way you go, good to know what the downside is. :)21:50
thetejunannes : nomodeset ,,, I saw bunch of texts while it tried to boot but I am again stuck with nothing on the screen, ...... (booting from livecd)21:50
nannestheteju: Sorry.. haven't you already installed it?!21:51
edburnsUnit193: That's why I was trying to get the kernel that came with 13.10 to work.  But all the advice seems to be: don't bother, reinstall the system fresh with Ubuntu 12.0421:51
thetejuYes I have already installed it21:51
edburnsI don't want to do that because I like lxde and the feel of Lubuntu.21:51
edburnsnannes: And I can do that from within GRUB itself, right?21:52
nannestheteju: Then why are you trying to boot from the liveCD ?!21:52
nannesedburns: do what?21:53
edburnsnannes: Delete the 3.1.11 kernel entry?21:53
nannesFrom GRUB? Are you kidding' :)21:54
nannesI told you to uninstall the kernel package, for it to disappear from grub21:54
thetejunannes : booting from the hard drive, does not show me any grub option, I am straight to the "Lubuntu Logo" and stuck there.21:54
nannesSo you *must* do it into a booted system.. sudo apt-get remove21:54
Unit193edburns: So, you installed the kernel and all, did you try to get more verbose output from grub to see exactly what went wrong, or regenerating the initramfs?21:54
thetejunannes : the system has only Lubuntu21:54
thetejuHitting E or anything while booting does not do anything21:55
edburnsUnit193: I did neither of those things.21:55
nannestheteju: For the grub screen to appear, hold shift21:55
Unit193Well, I'd say it'd be worth a shot.21:55
edburnsUnit193: Sure, can you tell me how to try that?21:55
edburnsUnit193: All the diagnostic information I obtained is in the thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=219147621:56
thetejuok wait21:56
Unit193edburns: Well, you could purge the 3.11 kernel then reinstall it, or you could  sudo update-initramfs -c -k all21:57
edburnsUnit193: Now I have a correspondence question.  If I boot into the 3.8 kernel and do the update-initramfs, does that apply to all kernels on the system?21:58
edburnsUnit193: In other words, does each kernel have its own initramfs?21:58
thetejunannes : ok, upon holding screen I see computername @ login and it starting  ... and then blank screen again21:58
thetejuPerhaps thats because, I choose to log in with out password during installation21:59
Unit193edburns: Yes, each kernel gets it's own initramfs, and this command re-creates all of them.  You can modify the -k all  switch to just create the new one.21:59
thetejuBut I do not get to the grub screen21:59
edburnsUnit193: I'd like to not modify the 3.8 one, just the 3.11 one.21:59
thetejunannes : I appreciate your support21:59
thetejuis there any other key I can try to get to grub menu?22:00
edburnsUnit193: How do I discover the set of valid values for update-initramfs ?22:00
edburnsThat is, for the -k argument.22:00
edburnsIs it the actual kernel name, such as "3.11.0-13-generic"?22:01
Unit193Yes.22:01
nannestheteju: That's so strange--- try holding/releasing shift   but also ESCAPE sometimes22:01
nannesmaybe it's the right instant that you're missing22:01
edburnsUnit193: I'll give that a shot.22:02
nannesI mean, destroy that keyboard with shift and/or escape, theteju  ;) ;)22:02
Unit193edburns: If that's a no-go, have grub show you more verbose output.22:02
thetejuok22:02
theteju;)22:03
thetejuok got to the grub menu22:03
thetejuhit "E'22:03
nannestheteju: select the ubuntu entry and hit  E... ok22:03
nannesnow you should see the whole boot string22:03
nanneslook for                 quiet splash22:03
edburnsUnit193: How do I do that?22:04
thetejuok22:04
thetejuand replace it with "nomodeset"22:05
theteju?22:05
Unit193edburns: While booting, hit shift to bring up the menu (if required), then E to edit the selected option, and scroll down and remove  quiet splash  or edit /etc/default/grub to make that change stick. (running update-grub afterwards.)22:06
thetejunannes: no Luck, I think I need to load correct module for my graphic card22:07
thetejunothing comes up on the screen22:07
thetejunannes: isn't vesa is the most basic graphic driver?22:09
nannestheteju: ok, but I mean, when you can't boot to graphic mode you could normally be able to enter tty1 nuh?!22:13
nannesaren't you?22:14
thetejuI could not..22:17
thetejutty1 : should come on when I press ctrl alt F1 , correct?22:18
thetejui tried, xforcevesa, and now I see bunch of messages while loading,, but it gets stuck22:18
thetejuthe last line reads " starting Send an event to indicate plymouth is up22:19
edburnsUnit193: Well, the update-initramfs option didn't work.22:20
edburnsUnit193: Let me see  about more verbose output.22:20
Unit193Bah. :/22:20
nannesplymouth? on lubuntu? are you kidding?22:20
nannesohoh nothing, that's even in lubuntu22:21
nannesdidn't know it :S22:21
nannesSo bad22:21
edburnsUnit193: Last line is about Probing EISA bus 0.22:22
edburnsUnit193: That's where it stops.22:22
thetejunannes: what can I put on grub to load the most basic graphic driver option22:22
nannestheteju: Besides nomodset, have you tried acpi=off   OR  nolapic   instead?22:22
nannestheteju: It should do that by default, when it realizes that the normal driver isn't working22:22
thetejunannes : where should I add all those options , I mean which line?22:23
Unit193edburns: Bug #125181622:24
ubottubug 1251816 in linux (Ubuntu) "Boot failure with saucy kernel 3.11 probing eisa" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/125181622:24
nannestheteju: Anyway, the safemode should be included in the "recovery mode"22:24
nannestheteju: Always replacing "quiet splash"22:24
nannestheteju: you remove them, and try with acpi=off22:24
nannesif it doesn't work, your last try can be nolapic22:25
thetejuok22:25
nannesThen, if Even nolapic works, you should use "recovery mode" http://i.stack.imgur.com/flb5H.png that includes safeGraphics mode22:25
edburnsUnit193: Wow, how about that.22:27
Unit193edburns: Yep, so it's known and they're making some progress on it, good to know and now you have something to follow.  As a workaround, stick with 3.8 for now, and monitor that bug.22:28
edburnsUnit193: That's pretty much a happy ending, as far as this goes.  Thanks.22:28
Unit193Sure, bummer there's no fix right now, but all in all not too shabby.22:29
nanneswhen the bug will get a fix, there will already be available the next lubuntu LTS22:29
nannes:D22:29
nannesand... everything will just work fine22:29
thetejunannes : i am giving up22:30
nannestheteju: why? :O22:30
thetejuNow again I cant get to the grub menu ,, hitting all the keys... as My system got tolerent lol22:31
edburnsThanks everyone.  Bye bye.22:35
thetejuok I am back22:35
thetejutrying acpi=off first22:35
nannesok ;)22:37
thetejuNO luck, now trying nolapic22:40
nannesufff:(22:41
nannesI mean, we need at least access to a terminal22:41
thetejunannes: there is no recovery mode option on my grub menu22:41
nannestheteju: Lubuntu version?22:41
thetejuI believe, its the graphic card, 13.1022:41
thetejuthe latest22:41
nannesgreat. I can give you the recovery boot parameters so that you can manually put them on22:45
nannesare u still there? alive? :D22:46
nannestheteju: ^^22:48
thetejuI am alive22:51
thetejulets do this22:51
nannestheteju: I'm just curious, how the heck did you make the installation if there was this boot problem :S22:52
thetejuwell, I chose install, option from live cd and all went well22:52
thetejuthe screen resolution was perfect during installation22:53
nannesoh ..22:53
thetejuOK wait, has it something to do with my partition selections,, i made22:53
thetejumy own partitions,,,22:53
thetejulike  /   /tmp    /home    /usr and swap22:53
nannes:S22:54
nanneswell that's no problem, just... you should know what you're doing when you do something like that22:54
nannesWhat kind of partition table did you use? GPT or MBR ?22:54
thetejunannes : Oh I dont know that.22:55
nannes:O22:55
nannesok, do you have any other OS installed in there? winzozz?22:55
thetejunannes : I had, PClinuxOS installed22:56
thetejunannes: I am going to try reinstall and this time let the CD pick its own partition22:56
thetejuor I will just do /swap  ,  / and /home22:56
thetejunannes: should I try that?22:57
nanneswell, calm, I don't think it will change that much22:57
nannesit's just so strange that you don't have recovery mode22:57
nannesto add it to the grub you need to boot another OS, and edit grub.cfg22:57
thetejuok wait22:58
thetejuI got to recovery option, it was under ubuntu advance22:59
thetejuboot from there?22:59
nannesyes :)22:59
thetejunannes: i am on the recovery menu23:00
thetejunannes : drop to root shell ?23:00
nannesCan you list are the available entries?23:00
thetejuresume, clean, dpkg, grub, network, root, system-summary23:00
nannesisn't there a safe-graphics mode?23:01
thetejuNO,23:01
thetejuCan't we check the logs, by going to root shell?23:02
nannesof course we can23:02
nannesI wouldn't even waste time with logs, I think I should focus on the hw. That's the issue. Do you have internet (LAN) connection in there?23:03
thetejuok I am in the /var/log23:03
thetejuNO I do not,, Only wireless23:03
thetejuI am at my college23:04
nannesand is it working now? can you check yourself or you need help?23:04
thetejunannes : I am trying , :P23:05
nannesis the wlan password-protected theteju?23:06
thetejuNO there is an open network here at college23:06
thetejuI am not sure how to configure via command line though23:07
nannesGreat.  I can help you23:07
nannessudo ifconfig     shows the available interfaces. run it23:07
thetejusays command not found23:07
nannesI hope you won't need any wireless driver for the chipset to work, or you're fucked up ;P23:07
nannesare you kidding? come on, ifconfig23:08
thetejustrange, even lspci command not found23:08
nannesohhh you're already root, don't use sudo23:08
nanneslspci not found o.O23:08
thetejuok23:08
thetejuifconfig23:08
nannesman, did your system mount all the necessary partitions? (tmp,home,etc) ?23:08
thetejuI dont see my wlan023:09
thetejunannes : I am sensing, its the partition issue23:09
nannesYes, if you can't run lspci there's a big problem with partitions23:09
nannesthe   mount   command will show you all the mounted partitions23:10
thetejumount command,, looks like they are mounted23:11
thetejunannes : I am going to try reinstall23:12
nannesyeah, great decision23:13
thetejunannes : lspci does not work,, but lsmod works23:13
thetejunannes : how to check video module is loaded on lsmod or not?23:14
nannes:/23:14
nannesman23:14
nannesreally23:14
nannesit's really an odd issue23:15
thetejuvideo   18777 0  "lsmod | grep video"23:15
nannesAnywa, you could also try  lshw23:15
thetejucommand not found23:15
nannesgreat. reinstall.23:17
nanneslol23:17
thetejuyep : no module loaded for Graphic card23:17
thetejunow quick question before I try that23:17
thetejuis there any way we can find out what module loads during install option? for the video card?23:18
melodietheteju with the Xorg logs23:18
melodiein /var/log/Xorg.0.log23:18
thetejuOK guys, On my way to reinstall.23:20
thetejuThis time, I will let the system decide partitions23:20
theteju:P23:20
thetejuSee,,, install option, the screen loads up with beautiful UI on this screen23:22
nanneswhat a bummer, uh? :P23:23
thetejuI know, it walks me through,, install process,,, and then f*** me up23:24
thetejunannes : I erased all partition,, will pick only three basics,, /  swap and /home23:25
thetejunannes: any advise?23:26
thetejuon partitioning23:26
nannestheteju: It depends on the hdd size23:27
thetejuonly 4023:28
thetejuGB23:28
thetejuI created 10g  /     3 gb swap and remainiing /home23:28
nannesThat's reasonable23:28
thetejufirst is /  second is /home (logical)  third is Swap  (primary)23:28
nannesok23:29
nannesAre you sure your hdd is in good conditions? Have you recently done an hdd test?23:29
* theteju crossing fingures23:29
thetejuit was running previous OS fine23:29
thetejuI just could not get network card working on PClinuxOS ,,, so,,23:30
thetejuits copying files... lets see...23:31
mrbeanHi, xfce4 in xubuntu is different from the one in lubuntu, why? what packages lubuntu doesn't install? or is it due to the graphic card.23:43
nannesmrbean: The xfce4 metapackage is the same in all the *ubuntu distros23:45
mrbeanok. I installed lubuntu with xfce4, then I downloaded the xubuntu iso, and they are different. Could it be my video memory? both 13.1023:46
nannesYour nickname is very adequate to the situation23:48
nannesWhy install Lubuntu if you want xfce as DE?!?!23:48
mrbeanhahaha, you're so funny.23:49
mrbeanI don't want xfce4, it's something I noticed.23:49
nannesAnd also, why do you think the size of an installation ISO should be equal to the size of your installed distro with your weird modifications?!23:49
mrbeanSorry, did I talk about size? when?23:50
nannesoh ok.23:50
nannesSo... you installed lubuntu, and next installed xfce over it. Where's the sense?23:50
mrbeanI meant lubuntu and xubuntu regarding XFCE4, not the install size.23:50
nannescan you please answer my last question?23:50
mrbeanSorry, it's called curiosity.23:51
mrbeanNext time I'll ask for your permission to install packages or not in my computer. Next saturday.23:51
mrbeanReally helpul, thank you.23:52
Unit193Well...  Easy answer, default config.23:52
thetejuWOW ,,, people are rude !!23:53
thetejuThis is all because, of XBOX and PS4s   :P23:54
Unit193nannes: Might be more helpful to actually answer the question if you know it, and if not leaving it to someone that does would be the more helpful thing.23:55
nannesI would have answered Unit193, he just ran away too quickly. I'm chatting in many rooms, and encounter so many weird people that sometimes I answer like that. Again, If I had read "curiosity" before he quitted, I would have answered. Sorry anyway, didn't want to be rude, but just coherent23:57
thetejuI dont see your fault nannes23:58
thetejuhe just did not have patience.. ,, (again in my opinion) lol,, and I blame Xbox or PS3;4 for loss of patience,, May be apple devices too23:58
thetejuhehehehe23:58
thetejuDamm,,, I am stuck again on lubuntu log on screen23:59
thetejuwhich means,, the driver loaded for install process ,, is the one works for my PC,, upon installation, what ever the driver or module loads ,, does not work23:59

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