[01:05] <ainx> hello
[01:06]  * wxl waves to ainx 
[01:07] <ainx> hi wxl
[01:46] <ainx> wxl, do you now someapplication for linux as sambroadcaster ?
[01:47] <wxl> ainx: what type of server are you connecting to?
[01:49] <ainx> shoutcast
[01:49] <wxl> mixxx. it's really more dj software than "radio" software if you will but it's incredibly powerful.
[01:49] <wxl> another option is idjc
[01:50] <ainx> i'm use it now
[01:50] <wxl> you use what?
[01:50] <ainx> but it's not working good
[01:50] <wxl> why not?
[01:50] <holstein> i used to use BUTT, broadcast using this tool.. to icecast.. or darkice out of JACK
[01:50] <ainx> i'm use mixxx
[01:51] <ainx> idjc i don't know if i install it
[01:52] <wxl> again, what's wrong with mixxx?
[01:52] <wxl> have you tried joining the #mixxx channel for support?
[01:57] <ainx> if i use mixxx my computer hang up
[01:57] <wxl> which version of mixxx are you using? on what hardware?
[01:58] <ainx> 1.10.1
[01:58] <ainx> core 2 duo
[01:58] <wxl> pffht
[01:58] <ainx> 2.8ghz 1gb ram
[01:58] <wxl> that makes no sense
[01:58] <wxl> should work gloriously
[01:58] <wxl> i've had it working on MUCH lower end hardware
[01:58] <ainx> i don't know hoq
[01:58] <ainx> eh?
[01:58] <ainx> are you?
[01:58] <wxl> how are you running it? do you have a million other things running at the same time?
[01:59] <Unit193> Tried removing the config and trying again?
[02:00] <wxl> join #mixxx channel for support perhaps?
[02:00] <ainx> ok i check this stuff
[02:00] <wxl> butt sucks
[02:01] <holstein> works as advertised
[02:02] <ainx> really suck?
[06:46] <qingluo> hi all, i wanna to mask boot details. how can i do to instead of log show with boot image just like normal ubuntu or centos etc.
[11:06] <leszek> hi
[15:06] <RickWeaver> hi guys
[15:07] <RickWeaver> i have installed the Lubuntu yesterday and I have a question: some application does not have any window border, there is no icon to minimize or close the window
[15:07] <RickWeaver> what can i do with that?
[15:49] <ainx>  /join #bizshells
[15:49] <ainx> sorry
[17:21] <theteju> hello
[17:22] <theteju> I need help. I am confused, I used to run Lubuntu on one of my netbook do not know which version, but now I am unable to install
[17:23] <theteju> the installation never makes it to finish. Is my netbook not strong enough for 13.04 onwards?
[17:23] <wxl> possible, theteju. try alternate instaler.
[17:23] <theteju> I have AMD athlon XP-M  +2000 processor with 1 GB ram
[17:23] <wxl> still, try
[17:23] <theteju> I tried alternate installer, with no success
[17:24] <wxl> that is quite strange
[17:24] <wxl> where does it stop at? how long has it been stopped?
[17:24] <bioterror> with one 1GB I would run regular x86
[17:24] <bioterror> go with the 32bit
[17:25] <theteju> with alternate installer ,, it fails all the way at the end, as If it can not load the graphics
[17:25] <bioterror> alternate installer does not load graphics, it just installs them
[17:25] <bioterror> with alternate installer you can check installation progress with alt+function key
[17:25] <bioterror> was it alt+f2 or what
[17:26] <theteju> yes,,  alternate installer, let me create partition, copies files everything goes, but upon restart it never makes it to the log in screen
[17:26] <theteju> I tried twice.
[17:26] <wxl> where does it take you?
[17:27] <bioterror> then twiddle with the kernel paramters
[17:27] <bioterror> like noacpi noapic etc.
[17:27] <theteju> do you guys think my processor is good enough to run the latest version of Lubuntu ?
[17:28] <theteju> it is rated at 1.7 GHz if you just google.
[17:28] <bioterror> Steve Jobs would say something about GHz myth
[17:28] <bioterror> but that was before switchin from PPC to x86 :D
[17:28] <theteju> currently I have PClinuxOS running on it,, but I hate it,, as My network card is not working on that system Lubuntu used to work flawlessly
[17:31] <theteju> my stupid netbook does not support usb boot
[17:32] <theteju> unfortunately everytime I have to burn an DVD
[17:44] <theteju> ok , I am downloading latest regular Iso,, will see what happens
[18:53] <edburns> I'm running into some upgrade trouble going from 13.04 to 13.10.
[18:53] <edburns> I have posted on the forum about it.
[18:54] <edburns> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2191476
[18:57] <edburns> wxl: Are you here?
[21:12] <edburns> wxl: Hello?
[21:20] <theteju> hello guys,
[21:20] <theteju> Tried it again, whole installation goes smooth, but upon restart , I am stuck at the Lubuntu logo on the screen
[21:20] <theteju> it never makes it to the desktop
[21:21] <theteju> The screen is stuck with "Lubuntu logo and five blue dots"
[21:25] <theteju> any one??
[21:26] <nannes> edburns: I think you should use 12.04lts as suggested on the forum
[21:26] <Unit193> On first power on, hit shift and edit the boot option taking out  quiet splash
[21:26] <Unit193> (There is no Lubuntu LTS.)
[21:26] <edburns> nannes: But what about all the data and config I already have on the Lubuntu 13.04 system?
[21:27] <nannes> edburns: Data == ? What kind of data?
[21:27] <edburns> Documents and such.
[21:27] <nannes> and config.... of which programs? cause everything can be backupED
[21:27] <edburns> nannes: Re: config: Getting it to work with my local printer.
[21:27] <nannes> edburns: You temporairily store them into an external device
[21:28] <nannes> theteju: It looks like a graphical problem
[21:28] <nannes> Can you access tty1/2/... with  Ctrl ALT F1 ?
[21:28] <nannes> or F2 / F3    etc.
[21:29] <edburns> nannes: Let me try that.
[21:30] <nannes> edburns: no sorry it was for theteju
[21:30] <edburns> nannes: Ah.  Ok.
[21:30] <nannes> edburns: You actually cannot boot your lubuntu-box due to kernel incompatibilities right?
[21:30] <edburns> nannes: I can, but only when I select the 3.8.x kernel.
[21:30] <nannes> sorry But I'm doing support in so many channels I can get lost :S
[21:31] <edburns> nannes: Yes, I can when I select the 3.8.0-33-generic kernel.
[21:31] <nannes> ok, and ... is it a problem? I mean, if 3.8 works, isn't it ok for you?
[21:31] <edburns> nannes: I guess it is.
[21:31] <edburns> I need to be educated.
[21:31] <nannes> why
[21:31] <nannes> oh ok :)
[21:32] <edburns> What is the relationship between lubuntu versions, such as 13.04 and 13.10, and kernel versions, such as 3.8.0-33-generic and 3.11.0-13-generic ?
[21:34] <edburns> nannes: ?
[21:34] <nannes> What do you mean?
[21:34] <nannes> Do you wanna know the differences between the two or what?
[21:34] <theteju> nannes : not ctrl alt F1 or any other F keys does not get me to text screen
[21:35] <theteju> nannes; I am trying to boot from live CD now and let you know, whats there in the logs
[21:35] <edburns> nannes: I had Lubuntu 13.04.  I guess that implied kernel 3.8.0-33-generic.  I said, "Yes" when lubuntu asked me if I wanted to upgrade to Lubuntu 13.10.  When that was done, I had 3.11.0-13-generic.
[21:35] <theteju> nannes: it look like graphic driver issue
[21:35] <edburns> If I run my Lubuntu 13.10 system with the  3.8.0-33-generic kernel, then do I really still have a lubuntu 13.10 system?
[21:36] <theteju> Unfortunately I do not know how to fix it :(
[21:36] <nannes> edburns: Of course. Different Lubuntu versions have different kernel versions
[21:36] <nannes> Because times goes on... and kernel gets updated
[21:36] <nannes> gets new drivers for the most recent devices, and also some fixes for the old ones
[21:37] <nannes> But in your case, I think you don't need them, cause you didn't complain for any issue not working
[21:37] <edburns> nannes: Well, I guess I want to know how to make it so GRUB always boots the 3.8.0-33-generic kernel, since the 3.11.0-13-generic flat out does not work at all.
[21:37] <nannes> considering, instead, that the newest kernel doesn't even let you boot, then... I can say there are no doubts
[21:38] <theteju> and of course  the live cd also does not make it to graphics
[21:38] <nannes> edburns: That's very simple, you just need to edit a special file
[21:38] <nannes> /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[21:38] <nannes> but very carefully, It's delicate. I can help you with that
[21:39] <edburns> nannes: ok.
[21:39] <edburns> It says, "DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE".
[21:39] <edburns> Hmm.
[21:40] <theteju> nannes: is there any command to boot in safe graphical mode?
[21:41] <nannes> edburns: I did edit it. That sentence is in there to avoid newbies from modifying it causing malfunctioning problems
[21:42] <edburns> nannes: Let me pastebin my current grub.cfg
[21:42] <Unit193> Um, no.  It says right below it why you aren't supposed to edit it. >_<
[21:43] <nannes> theteju: Of course, there is a grub parameter. BUT I would suggest you to try another way first
[21:43] <Unit193> theteju: Did you try booting removing the boot options  quiet splash  or adding  nomodeset  ?
[21:43] <nannes> You should try  the  "nomodeset" parameter
[21:43] <deleted_> you can edit your grub file lol
[21:43] <edburns> nannes: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/3712429
[21:44] <Unit193> deleted_: Sure, but the next time you update your kernel, grub, initramfs, or who knows what else it'll just overwrite any modifications you made.
[21:44] <edburns> Unit193: I tend to agree.
[21:44] <edburns> If you have a code generating system, it's better to make the changes upstream.
[21:44] <theteju> OK : trying nomodeset anything else?
[21:44] <nannes> theteju:  this is the way: when you get to grub, you select your Ubuntu, but instead of pressing enter, you press 'E' key. You'll get to the boot string. In there you should remove "quiet splash" and put "nomodeset" instead. (of course without quotes)
[21:45] <theteju> acpi =off  or noapic?
[21:45] <theteju> or Option F6 allows me to select nomodeset
[21:46] <nannes> theteju: F6 is only for the installation process
[21:46] <theteju> ok hold on
[21:47] <nannes> edburns: well, then of course you can just remove the newest kernel, and its grub entry will disappear
[21:47] <edburns> nannes: That seems reasonable.
[21:47] <nannes> That's if you wanna avoid editing grub.cfg
[21:48] <Unit193> edburns: Trying to stick with a Raring kernel in Saucy?  The ramifications of that will be no security updates for it.
[21:48] <edburns> Unit193: Yes, that was what I was worried about.
[21:49] <edburns> Of course, this is just an old laptop that always runs inside my home firewall.
[21:50] <Unit193> Sure, and either way you go, good to know what the downside is. :)
[21:50] <theteju> nannes : nomodeset ,,, I saw bunch of texts while it tried to boot but I am again stuck with nothing on the screen, ...... (booting from livecd)
[21:51] <nannes> theteju: Sorry.. haven't you already installed it?!
[21:51] <edburns> Unit193: That's why I was trying to get the kernel that came with 13.10 to work.  But all the advice seems to be: don't bother, reinstall the system fresh with Ubuntu 12.04
[21:51] <theteju> Yes I have already installed it
[21:51] <edburns> I don't want to do that because I like lxde and the feel of Lubuntu.
[21:52] <edburns> nannes: And I can do that from within GRUB itself, right?
[21:52] <nannes> theteju: Then why are you trying to boot from the liveCD ?!
[21:53] <nannes> edburns: do what?
[21:53] <edburns> nannes: Delete the 3.1.11 kernel entry?
[21:54] <nannes> From GRUB? Are you kidding' :)
[21:54] <nannes> I told you to uninstall the kernel package, for it to disappear from grub
[21:54] <theteju> nannes : booting from the hard drive, does not show me any grub option, I am straight to the "Lubuntu Logo" and stuck there.
[21:54] <nannes> So you *must* do it into a booted system.. sudo apt-get remove
[21:54] <Unit193> edburns: So, you installed the kernel and all, did you try to get more verbose output from grub to see exactly what went wrong, or regenerating the initramfs?
[21:54] <theteju> nannes : the system has only Lubuntu
[21:55] <theteju> Hitting E or anything while booting does not do anything
[21:55] <edburns> Unit193: I did neither of those things.
[21:55] <nannes> theteju: For the grub screen to appear, hold shift
[21:55] <Unit193> Well, I'd say it'd be worth a shot.
[21:55] <edburns> Unit193: Sure, can you tell me how to try that?
[21:56] <edburns> Unit193: All the diagnostic information I obtained is in the thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2191476
[21:56] <theteju> ok wait
[21:57] <Unit193> edburns: Well, you could purge the 3.11 kernel then reinstall it, or you could  sudo update-initramfs -c -k all
[21:58] <edburns> Unit193: Now I have a correspondence question.  If I boot into the 3.8 kernel and do the update-initramfs, does that apply to all kernels on the system?
[21:58] <edburns> Unit193: In other words, does each kernel have its own initramfs?
[21:58] <theteju> nannes : ok, upon holding screen I see computername @ login and it starting  ... and then blank screen again
[21:59] <theteju> Perhaps thats because, I choose to log in with out password during installation
[21:59] <Unit193> edburns: Yes, each kernel gets it's own initramfs, and this command re-creates all of them.  You can modify the -k all  switch to just create the new one.
[21:59] <theteju> But I do not get to the grub screen
[21:59] <edburns> Unit193: I'd like to not modify the 3.8 one, just the 3.11 one.
[21:59] <theteju> nannes : I appreciate your support
[22:00] <theteju> is there any other key I can try to get to grub menu?
[22:00] <edburns> Unit193: How do I discover the set of valid values for update-initramfs ?
[22:00] <edburns> That is, for the -k argument.
[22:01] <edburns> Is it the actual kernel name, such as "3.11.0-13-generic"?
[22:01] <Unit193> Yes.
[22:01] <nannes> theteju: That's so strange--- try holding/releasing shift   but also ESCAPE sometimes
[22:01] <nannes> maybe it's the right instant that you're missing
[22:02] <edburns> Unit193: I'll give that a shot.
[22:02] <nannes> I mean, destroy that keyboard with shift and/or escape, theteju  ;) ;)
[22:02] <Unit193> edburns: If that's a no-go, have grub show you more verbose output.
[22:02] <theteju> ok
[22:03] <theteju> ;)
[22:03] <theteju> ok got to the grub menu
[22:03] <theteju> hit "E'
[22:03] <nannes> theteju: select the ubuntu entry and hit  E... ok
[22:03] <nannes> now you should see the whole boot string
[22:03] <nannes> look for                 quiet splash
[22:04] <edburns> Unit193: How do I do that?
[22:04] <theteju> ok
[22:05] <theteju> and replace it with "nomodeset"
[22:05] <theteju> ?
[22:06] <Unit193> edburns: While booting, hit shift to bring up the menu (if required), then E to edit the selected option, and scroll down and remove  quiet splash  or edit /etc/default/grub to make that change stick. (running update-grub afterwards.)
[22:07] <theteju> nannes: no Luck, I think I need to load correct module for my graphic card
[22:07] <theteju> nothing comes up on the screen
[22:09] <theteju> nannes: isn't vesa is the most basic graphic driver?
[22:13] <nannes> theteju: ok, but I mean, when you can't boot to graphic mode you could normally be able to enter tty1 nuh?!
[22:14] <nannes> aren't you?
[22:17] <theteju> I could not..
[22:18] <theteju> tty1 : should come on when I press ctrl alt F1 , correct?
[22:18] <theteju> i tried, xforcevesa, and now I see bunch of messages while loading,, but it gets stuck
[22:19] <theteju> the last line reads " starting Send an event to indicate plymouth is up
[22:20] <edburns> Unit193: Well, the update-initramfs option didn't work.
[22:20] <edburns> Unit193: Let me see  about more verbose output.
[22:20] <Unit193> Bah. :/
[22:20] <nannes> plymouth? on lubuntu? are you kidding?
[22:21] <nannes> ohoh nothing, that's even in lubuntu
[22:21] <nannes> didn't know it :S
[22:21] <nannes> So bad
[22:22] <edburns> Unit193: Last line is about Probing EISA bus 0.
[22:22] <edburns> Unit193: That's where it stops.
[22:22] <theteju> nannes: what can I put on grub to load the most basic graphic driver option
[22:22] <nannes> theteju: Besides nomodset, have you tried acpi=off   OR  nolapic   instead?
[22:22] <nannes> theteju: It should do that by default, when it realizes that the normal driver isn't working
[22:23] <theteju> nannes : where should I add all those options , I mean which line?
[22:24] <Unit193> edburns: Bug #1251816
[22:24] <nannes> theteju: Anyway, the safemode should be included in the "recovery mode"
[22:24] <nannes> theteju: Always replacing "quiet splash"
[22:24] <nannes> theteju: you remove them, and try with acpi=off
[22:25] <nannes> if it doesn't work, your last try can be nolapic
[22:25] <theteju> ok
[22:25] <nannes> Then, if Even nolapic works, you should use "recovery mode" http://i.stack.imgur.com/flb5H.png that includes safeGraphics mode
[22:27] <edburns> Unit193: Wow, how about that.
[22:28] <Unit193> edburns: Yep, so it's known and they're making some progress on it, good to know and now you have something to follow.  As a workaround, stick with 3.8 for now, and monitor that bug.
[22:28] <edburns> Unit193: That's pretty much a happy ending, as far as this goes.  Thanks.
[22:29] <Unit193> Sure, bummer there's no fix right now, but all in all not too shabby.
[22:29] <nannes> when the bug will get a fix, there will already be available the next lubuntu LTS
[22:29] <nannes> :D
[22:29] <nannes> and... everything will just work fine
[22:30] <theteju> nannes : i am giving up
[22:30] <nannes> theteju: why? :O
[22:31] <theteju> Now again I cant get to the grub menu ,, hitting all the keys... as My system got tolerent lol
[22:35] <edburns> Thanks everyone.  Bye bye.
[22:35] <theteju> ok I am back
[22:35] <theteju> trying acpi=off first
[22:37] <nannes> ok ;)
[22:40] <theteju> NO luck, now trying nolapic
[22:41] <nannes> ufff:(
[22:41] <nannes> I mean, we need at least access to a terminal
[22:41] <theteju> nannes: there is no recovery mode option on my grub menu
[22:41] <nannes> theteju: Lubuntu version?
[22:41] <theteju> I believe, its the graphic card, 13.10
[22:41] <theteju> the latest
[22:45] <nannes> great. I can give you the recovery boot parameters so that you can manually put them on
[22:46] <nannes> are u still there? alive? :D
[22:48] <nannes> theteju: ^^
[22:51] <theteju> I am alive
[22:51] <theteju> lets do this
[22:52] <nannes> theteju: I'm just curious, how the heck did you make the installation if there was this boot problem :S
[22:52] <theteju> well, I chose install, option from live cd and all went well
[22:53] <theteju> the screen resolution was perfect during installation
[22:53] <nannes> oh ..
[22:53] <theteju> OK wait, has it something to do with my partition selections,, i made
[22:53] <theteju> my own partitions,,,
[22:53] <theteju> like  /   /tmp    /home    /usr and swap
[22:54] <nannes> :S
[22:54] <nannes> well that's no problem, just... you should know what you're doing when you do something like that
[22:54] <nannes> What kind of partition table did you use? GPT or MBR ?
[22:55] <theteju> nannes : Oh I dont know that.
[22:55] <nannes> :O
[22:55] <nannes> ok, do you have any other OS installed in there? winzozz?
[22:56] <theteju> nannes : I had, PClinuxOS installed
[22:56] <theteju> nannes: I am going to try reinstall and this time let the CD pick its own partition
[22:56] <theteju> or I will just do /swap  ,  / and /home
[22:57] <theteju> nannes: should I try that?
[22:57] <nannes> well, calm, I don't think it will change that much
[22:57] <nannes> it's just so strange that you don't have recovery mode
[22:57] <nannes> to add it to the grub you need to boot another OS, and edit grub.cfg
[22:58] <theteju> ok wait
[22:59] <theteju> I got to recovery option, it was under ubuntu advance
[22:59] <theteju> boot from there?
[22:59] <nannes> yes :)
[23:00] <theteju> nannes: i am on the recovery menu
[23:00] <theteju> nannes : drop to root shell ?
[23:00] <nannes> Can you list are the available entries?
[23:00] <theteju> resume, clean, dpkg, grub, network, root, system-summary
[23:01] <nannes> isn't there a safe-graphics mode?
[23:01] <theteju> NO,
[23:02] <theteju> Can't we check the logs, by going to root shell?
[23:02] <nannes> of course we can
[23:03] <nannes> I wouldn't even waste time with logs, I think I should focus on the hw. That's the issue. Do you have internet (LAN) connection in there?
[23:03] <theteju> ok I am in the /var/log
[23:03] <theteju> NO I do not,, Only wireless
[23:04] <theteju> I am at my college
[23:04] <nannes> and is it working now? can you check yourself or you need help?
[23:05] <theteju> nannes : I am trying , :P
[23:06] <nannes> is the wlan password-protected theteju?
[23:06] <theteju> NO there is an open network here at college
[23:07] <theteju> I am not sure how to configure via command line though
[23:07] <nannes> Great.  I can help you
[23:07] <nannes> sudo ifconfig     shows the available interfaces. run it
[23:07] <theteju> says command not found
[23:07] <nannes> I hope you won't need any wireless driver for the chipset to work, or you're fucked up ;P
[23:08] <nannes> are you kidding? come on, ifconfig
[23:08] <theteju> strange, even lspci command not found
[23:08] <nannes> ohhh you're already root, don't use sudo
[23:08] <nannes> lspci not found o.O
[23:08] <theteju> ok
[23:08] <theteju> ifconfig
[23:08] <nannes> man, did your system mount all the necessary partitions? (tmp,home,etc) ?
[23:09] <theteju> I dont see my wlan0
[23:09] <theteju> nannes : I am sensing, its the partition issue
[23:09] <nannes> Yes, if you can't run lspci there's a big problem with partitions
[23:10] <nannes> the   mount   command will show you all the mounted partitions
[23:11] <theteju> mount command,, looks like they are mounted
[23:12] <theteju> nannes : I am going to try reinstall
[23:13] <nannes> yeah, great decision
[23:13] <theteju> nannes : lspci does not work,, but lsmod works
[23:14] <theteju> nannes : how to check video module is loaded on lsmod or not?
[23:14] <nannes> :/
[23:14] <nannes> man
[23:14] <nannes> really
[23:15] <nannes> it's really an odd issue
[23:15] <theteju> video   18777 0  "lsmod | grep video"
[23:15] <nannes> Anywa, you could also try  lshw
[23:15] <theteju> command not found
[23:17] <nannes> great. reinstall.
[23:17] <nannes> lol
[23:17] <theteju> yep : no module loaded for Graphic card
[23:17] <theteju> now quick question before I try that
[23:18] <theteju> is there any way we can find out what module loads during install option? for the video card?
[23:18] <melodie> theteju with the Xorg logs
[23:18] <melodie> in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[23:20] <theteju> OK guys, On my way to reinstall.
[23:20] <theteju> This time, I will let the system decide partitions
[23:20] <theteju> :P
[23:22] <theteju> See,,, install option, the screen loads up with beautiful UI on this screen
[23:23] <nannes> what a bummer, uh? :P
[23:24] <theteju> I know, it walks me through,, install process,,, and then f*** me up
[23:25] <theteju> nannes : I erased all partition,, will pick only three basics,, /  swap and /home
[23:26] <theteju> nannes: any advise?
[23:26] <theteju> on partitioning
[23:27] <nannes> theteju: It depends on the hdd size
[23:28] <theteju> only 40
[23:28] <theteju> GB
[23:28] <theteju> I created 10g  /     3 gb swap and remainiing /home
[23:28] <nannes> That's reasonable
[23:28] <theteju> first is /  second is /home (logical)  third is Swap  (primary)
[23:29] <nannes> ok
[23:29] <nannes> Are you sure your hdd is in good conditions? Have you recently done an hdd test?
[23:29]  * theteju crossing fingures
[23:29] <theteju> it was running previous OS fine
[23:30] <theteju> I just could not get network card working on PClinuxOS ,,, so,,
[23:31] <theteju> its copying files... lets see...
[23:43] <mrbean> Hi, xfce4 in xubuntu is different from the one in lubuntu, why? what packages lubuntu doesn't install? or is it due to the graphic card.
[23:45] <nannes> mrbean: The xfce4 metapackage is the same in all the *ubuntu distros
[23:46] <mrbean> ok. I installed lubuntu with xfce4, then I downloaded the xubuntu iso, and they are different. Could it be my video memory? both 13.10
[23:48] <nannes> Your nickname is very adequate to the situation
[23:48] <nannes> Why install Lubuntu if you want xfce as DE?!?!
[23:49] <mrbean> hahaha, you're so funny.
[23:49] <mrbean> I don't want xfce4, it's something I noticed.
[23:49] <nannes> And also, why do you think the size of an installation ISO should be equal to the size of your installed distro with your weird modifications?!
[23:50] <mrbean> Sorry, did I talk about size? when?
[23:50] <nannes> oh ok.
[23:50] <nannes> So... you installed lubuntu, and next installed xfce over it. Where's the sense?
[23:50] <mrbean> I meant lubuntu and xubuntu regarding XFCE4, not the install size.
[23:50] <nannes> can you please answer my last question?
[23:51] <mrbean> Sorry, it's called curiosity.
[23:51] <mrbean> Next time I'll ask for your permission to install packages or not in my computer. Next saturday.
[23:52] <mrbean> Really helpul, thank you.
[23:52] <Unit193> Well...  Easy answer, default config.
[23:53] <theteju> WOW ,,, people are rude !!
[23:54] <theteju> This is all because, of XBOX and PS4s   :P
[23:55] <Unit193> nannes: Might be more helpful to actually answer the question if you know it, and if not leaving it to someone that does would be the more helpful thing.
[23:57] <nannes> I would have answered Unit193, he just ran away too quickly. I'm chatting in many rooms, and encounter so many weird people that sometimes I answer like that. Again, If I had read "curiosity" before he quitted, I would have answered. Sorry anyway, didn't want to be rude, but just coherent
[23:58] <theteju> I dont see your fault nannes
[23:58] <theteju> he just did not have patience.. ,, (again in my opinion) lol,, and I blame Xbox or PS3;4 for loss of patience,, May be apple devices too
[23:58] <theteju> hehehehe
[23:59] <theteju> Damm,,, I am stuck again on lubuntu log on screen
[23:59] <theteju> which means,, the driver loaded for install process ,, is the one works for my PC,, upon installation, what ever the driver or module loads ,, does not work