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| slangasek | lfaraone: opting out of the HWE stack == use 12.04.1 (or 12.04.0) media for install | 03:24 |
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| geofft | slangasek: these are nontechnical end users, they click the thing that says "Ubuntu", we don't get to tell them what to install until after they installed :-( | 03:27 |
| geofft | we put up a warning on our home page, but people will still go and install Ubuntu and then say "oh hm I want AFS" later | 03:28 |
| geofft | and they get the default obvious CD image from ubuntu.com | 03:28 |
| geofft | ... actually _I_ can't figure out how to get 12.04.x for x<3 from http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop | 03:29 |
| geofft | alternative downloads | past releases takes me to releases.ubuntu.com, and that just give sme 12.04.3 | 03:30 |
| infinity | geofft: Bottom of the page, "Take a look at a full list of our previous versions and alternative downloads". And agreed, that's not even remotely intuitive. | 03:30 |
| geofft | infinity: I don't think it's there! | 03:31 |
| infinity | geofft: It is, bottom of THAT page, "past releases..." | 03:31 |
| geofft | keep clicking. it's not there. | 03:32 |
| infinity | Which... Then goes to releases.u.c, which remains unhelpful, you're right. | 03:32 |
| infinity | *sigh* | 03:32 |
| geofft | Oh! I go to "unsupported Ubuntu images". | 03:32 |
| infinity | For the record, it's on old-releases. | 03:32 |
| geofft | That gets me 12.04.0 for ... powerpc, nevermind | 03:32 |
| infinity | The link right under the one you clicked. :P | 03:33 |
| infinity | Anyhow, we need to make this experience far less crap. I have a todo item for that. | 03:33 |
| geofft | Yeah, I am going to politely disagree with the claim that it's possible for an end user to figure this out. We're in the position of downgrading kernels post-install | 03:33 |
| geofft | Or, really, just having people install OpenAFS from an alternative source, which is what we're doing now. (I think our installer shell script sets up the PPA) | 03:34 |
| infinity | Well, it's *possible*, but I'll agree that it's not *plausible* that most will figure this out. | 03:34 |
| geofft | And yes, afaik (which is not very rigorously, to be fair), our users tend not to have hardware that requires the HWE stack | 03:35 |
| * apw whines | 07:41 | |
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| xnox | slangasek: the fact that ubiquity installer doesn't show anywhere which version of ubuntu is installed, is not helpful either =) | 08:59 |
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| pkern | Hey. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile#Modify_the_source_for_your_needs seems a bit outdated. If I have a linux-lts-raring apt-get source'd, how would I modify the kernel config? Somehow all files I find have a splitconfig.pl header. | 13:40 |
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| apw | pkern, add the option you want to change to the apporpriate leaf file in the config, and then run 'fakeroot debian/rules updateconfigs' | 14:58 |
| apw | which will sort out making the configs consistant | 14:58 |
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| ppisati | bug 1250495 | 15:55 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1250495 in flash-kernel (Ubuntu Trusty) "armhf: highbank: relocate initrd to make room for a bigger kernel" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1250495 | 15:55 |
| ppisati | infinity: ^ | 15:55 |
| ppisati | infinity: i just met the same problem with a T kernel on midway, any chance you can give it a look? | 15:56 |
| infinity | ppisati: Yeahp, remind me again in ~4h, I'm running out to an airport (picking someone else up for once, not flying anywhere myself). | 15:57 |
| infinity | Assuming I survive the trip there and back... The snow here is insane today. | 15:57 |
| ppisati | infinity: ack, i'll do | 15:58 |
| * ppisati is envious of your snow :P | 15:58 | |
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| jsalisbury | ## | 16:36 |
| jsalisbury | ## Kernel team meeting in 30 minutes | 16:36 |
| jsalisbury | ## | 16:36 |
| olli | hey, I am looking for a pointer how to catch a "swivel" event on a Dell XPS 12 (where the screen flips horizontally and turns it into a "tablet") | 16:51 |
| olli | I have tried to listen to /dev/input/event* and also looked in /proc/bus/input/devices for pointers | 16:51 |
| olli | is there another common place to look at? | 16:52 |
| sforshee | olli: I'd expect dell-wmi to be receiving the events. If it's an event dell-wmi understands it will probably show up on the input device it creates. | 16:52 |
| sforshee | olli: otherwise it would need to be taught about the event | 16:52 |
| sforshee | olli: but you might also try running acpi_listen and see if it spits out anything | 16:53 |
| olli | sforshee, ah, forgot to mention that acpi_listen didn't produce anything | 16:54 |
| olli | sforshee, is it a valid approach to just cat /dev/input/event* and see if something happens or would cat miss something? | 16:54 |
| olli | event* = a single event dev, e.g. event10 | 16:54 |
| sforshee | olli: that might not work. X grabs the input devices so that nothing else sees the events. | 16:55 |
| sforshee | olli: what I usually do is install input-utils, swtich to a vt, use lsinput to identify the device I'm interested in, then use input-events to watch the events from that device | 16:55 |
| olli | sforshee, awesome, thanks, I will try that | 16:56 |
| sforshee | olli: the other thing I'd suggest is seeing if anything appears in dmesg when you rotate the screen | 16:58 |
| jsalisbury | ## | 16:59 |
| jsalisbury | ## Meeting starting now | 16:59 |
| jsalisbury | ## | 17:00 |
| sforshee | olli: one of the relevant messages is debug-level and won't appear in dmesg by default. Let me dig up the command that will enable it. | 17:00 |
| sforshee | olli: echo "module dell-wmi +p" | sudo tee /sys/kernel/debug/dynamic_debug/control | 17:01 |
| sforshee | that should do it | 17:01 |
| olli | sforshee, that doesn't seem to trigger any additional messages, and using input-events on the dell-wmi device on a vt doesn't show anything either | 17:12 |
| olli | is this the case you mentioned earlier where dell-wmi needs to be taught about it | 17:13 |
| sforshee | olli: no, if it received events that it didn't know what to do with you should have seen something in dmesg | 17:13 |
| olli | hm | 17:13 |
| sforshee | I'm not coming up with anywhere else to look off the top of my head | 17:14 |
| olli | sforshee, then there is still a big chance of pebkac on my side, will keep trying | 17:14 |
| olli | sforshee, thx for now, might bug you later | 17:14 |
| sforshee | olli: are you absolutely sure it's generating an event? I.e. is there some observable behavior in Windows which leads you to that conclusion? | 17:15 |
| === jsalisbury changed the topic of #ubuntu-kernel to: Home: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/ || Ubuntu Kernel Team Meeting - Tues December 10th, 2013 - 17:00 UTC || If you have a question just ask, and do wait around for an answer! | ||
| olli | sforshee, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU9Pa3nF6y4 at 0:50 you can see windows switching modes when swiveling, I of course nuked my win partition, but will install to verify | 17:18 |
| * rtg -> lunch | 18:23 | |
| * rtg -> EOD | 20:54 | |
| pkern | apw: So debian.master and it will do the appropriate change to debian.raring? Or are LTS backports even more special? | 21:18 |
| apw | pkern, lts-backports are even more special | 21:46 |
| pkern | apw: Ok, so I guess I'll try to modify debian.raring tomorrow. I need DYNAMIC_DEBUG for some e1000e suspend issue. |: | 23:26 |
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