=== shengyao_afk is now known as shengyao [03:24] lfaraone: opting out of the HWE stack == use 12.04.1 (or 12.04.0) media for install [03:27] slangasek: these are nontechnical end users, they click the thing that says "Ubuntu", we don't get to tell them what to install until after they installed :-( [03:28] we put up a warning on our home page, but people will still go and install Ubuntu and then say "oh hm I want AFS" later [03:28] and they get the default obvious CD image from ubuntu.com [03:29] ... actually _I_ can't figure out how to get 12.04.x for x<3 from http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop [03:30] alternative downloads | past releases takes me to releases.ubuntu.com, and that just give sme 12.04.3 [03:30] geofft: Bottom of the page, "Take a look at a full list of our previous versions and alternative downloads". And agreed, that's not even remotely intuitive. [03:31] infinity: I don't think it's there! [03:31] geofft: It is, bottom of THAT page, "past releases..." [03:32] keep clicking. it's not there. [03:32] Which... Then goes to releases.u.c, which remains unhelpful, you're right. [03:32] *sigh* [03:32] Oh! I go to "unsupported Ubuntu images". [03:32] For the record, it's on old-releases. [03:32] That gets me 12.04.0 for ... powerpc, nevermind [03:33] The link right under the one you clicked. :P [03:33] Anyhow, we need to make this experience far less crap. I have a todo item for that. [03:33] Yeah, I am going to politely disagree with the claim that it's possible for an end user to figure this out. We're in the position of downgrading kernels post-install [03:34] Or, really, just having people install OpenAFS from an alternative source, which is what we're doing now. (I think our installer shell script sets up the PPA) [03:34] Well, it's *possible*, but I'll agree that it's not *plausible* that most will figure this out. [03:35] And yes, afaik (which is not very rigorously, to be fair), our users tend not to have hardware that requires the HWE stack [07:41] * apw whines === gfrog is now known as gfrog_busy === gfrog_busy is now known as gfrog === gfrog is now known as gfrog_busy [08:59] slangasek: the fact that ubiquity installer doesn't show anywhere which version of ubuntu is installed, is not helpful either =) === ghostcube__ is now known as ghostcube === gfrog_busy is now known as gfrog_meeting === shadeslayer_ is now known as shadeslayer === gfrog_meeting is now known as gfrog [13:40] Hey. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile#Modify_the_source_for_your_needs seems a bit outdated. If I have a linux-lts-raring apt-get source'd, how would I modify the kernel config? Somehow all files I find have a splitconfig.pl header. === shengyao is now known as shengyao_afk [14:58] pkern, add the option you want to change to the apporpriate leaf file in the config, and then run 'fakeroot debian/rules updateconfigs' [14:58] which will sort out making the configs consistant === JanC_ is now known as JanC [15:55] bug 1250495 [15:55] Launchpad bug 1250495 in flash-kernel (Ubuntu Trusty) "armhf: highbank: relocate initrd to make room for a bigger kernel" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1250495 [15:55] infinity: ^ [15:56] infinity: i just met the same problem with a T kernel on midway, any chance you can give it a look? [15:57] ppisati: Yeahp, remind me again in ~4h, I'm running out to an airport (picking someone else up for once, not flying anywhere myself). [15:57] Assuming I survive the trip there and back... The snow here is insane today. [15:58] infinity: ack, i'll do [15:58] * ppisati is envious of your snow :P === qengho_ is now known as qengho [16:36] ## [16:36] ## Kernel team meeting in 30 minutes [16:36] ## [16:51] hey, I am looking for a pointer how to catch a "swivel" event on a Dell XPS 12 (where the screen flips horizontally and turns it into a "tablet") [16:51] I have tried to listen to /dev/input/event* and also looked in /proc/bus/input/devices for pointers [16:52] is there another common place to look at? [16:52] olli: I'd expect dell-wmi to be receiving the events. If it's an event dell-wmi understands it will probably show up on the input device it creates. [16:52] olli: otherwise it would need to be taught about the event [16:53] olli: but you might also try running acpi_listen and see if it spits out anything [16:54] sforshee, ah, forgot to mention that acpi_listen didn't produce anything [16:54] sforshee, is it a valid approach to just cat /dev/input/event* and see if something happens or would cat miss something? [16:54] event* = a single event dev, e.g. event10 [16:55] olli: that might not work. X grabs the input devices so that nothing else sees the events. [16:55] olli: what I usually do is install input-utils, swtich to a vt, use lsinput to identify the device I'm interested in, then use input-events to watch the events from that device [16:56] sforshee, awesome, thanks, I will try that [16:58] olli: the other thing I'd suggest is seeing if anything appears in dmesg when you rotate the screen [16:59] ## [16:59] ## Meeting starting now [17:00] ## [17:00] olli: one of the relevant messages is debug-level and won't appear in dmesg by default. Let me dig up the command that will enable it. [17:01] olli: echo "module dell-wmi +p" | sudo tee /sys/kernel/debug/dynamic_debug/control [17:01] that should do it [17:12] sforshee, that doesn't seem to trigger any additional messages, and using input-events on the dell-wmi device on a vt doesn't show anything either [17:13] is this the case you mentioned earlier where dell-wmi needs to be taught about it [17:13] olli: no, if it received events that it didn't know what to do with you should have seen something in dmesg [17:13] hm [17:14] I'm not coming up with anywhere else to look off the top of my head [17:14] sforshee, then there is still a big chance of pebkac on my side, will keep trying [17:14] sforshee, thx for now, might bug you later [17:15] olli: are you absolutely sure it's generating an event? I.e. is there some observable behavior in Windows which leads you to that conclusion? === jsalisbury changed the topic of #ubuntu-kernel to: Home: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/ || Ubuntu Kernel Team Meeting - Tues December 10th, 2013 - 17:00 UTC || If you have a question just ask, and do wait around for an answer! [17:18] sforshee, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU9Pa3nF6y4 at 0:50 you can see windows switching modes when swiveling, I of course nuked my win partition, but will install to verify [18:23] * rtg -> lunch [20:54] * rtg -> EOD [21:18] apw: So debian.master and it will do the appropriate change to debian.raring? Or are LTS backports even more special? [21:46] pkern, lts-backports are even more special [23:26] apw: Ok, so I guess I'll try to modify debian.raring tomorrow. I need DYNAMIC_DEBUG for some e1000e suspend issue. |: