=== Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away === gordonjcp is now known as jupiter_ace === jupiter_ace is now known as gordonjcp [01:08] I've decided that I like haxe [01:08] type-safety ftw [01:45] http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00FSBF0K6/ [01:45] £90 off today :O [02:18] logic problems make my head hurt [02:20] I need to work out if a link on a webpage (in javascript) is pointing to a location that is local vs remote - problem is it needs to cope with the various formats of url such as http:// or https:// or // or /file or just file [02:21] the third one I meant to say //example.com/file [02:23] I think I might have the if statement sorted now [02:24] I've got: if ((domainFromRegex != siteDomain && (protocol == http:// || protocol == https:// || protocol == //)) || protocol is null [02:26] that last one should be is not null [02:26] oh I don't know [02:26] my brian hurts [02:26] I can't think clearly [02:28] maybe that'll work: if regexedDomain != currentDomain && protocol != '' [02:29] it's a good job I don't play with cryptography - I'd never get it to work [02:38] convert the url into a canonical one first [02:40] http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5980682/obtaining-canonical-url-using-javascript [02:51] err [02:51] that doesn't do what you think it does [02:52] that gets the attribute "href" from the tag whose rel attribute is "canonical" [02:52] absolutely nothing to do with anchors whatsoever === Hornet- is now known as Hornet [07:06] morning all === LjL-Gay is now known as LjL [08:37] ello [08:43] dwatkins: ello [08:53] Morning all [08:53] morning diplo [08:54] Morning MooDoo, good start to the day ? [08:54] Just dropped my kids at school and now waiting for my ex girlfriends car to be picked up by the scrappers, trying to pretend I'm in the office :) [08:54] diplo: yeah not bad, I love these 7am starts :D [08:54] Just hope the phone doesn't ring as I haven't set that up yet :D [08:55] Working from 7 ? [08:55] yeah [08:55] :( [08:55] diplo: i love it, love this shift, I get to finish at 3:30 [08:55] I'm up at 6:45 to get the kids ready, get them to school for 8:30 and normally to work 8:40 ish [08:56] diplo: luckly with our kids, the wife drops them off at their grans mon/tue/wed and they take them to school, we're lucky that parents/sisters etc live in the same village. [08:57] Bit of an unusual drive to work this morning listening to Radio 4, The word 'Ubuntu' mentioned numerous times on 'Thought for the day' in its original south african usage refering to comments made by Desmond Tutu [08:57] Mum and dad pick them up on Monday evenings for me and feed them, single dad means I have to do the rest :/ [08:57] diplo: must be hard for you chap [08:58] DJones: means humanity to others doesn't it? [08:58] MooDoo: Yep [08:59] i used to get up at 7:45 to be at school at 8:30 [08:59] Only Mondays and Tuesdays so its not to bad, just my kids are soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo slow [08:59] Although when they first said it, I was hoping it was going to be about open source [08:59] Get picked up by their mum Tuesday evenings [08:59] DJones: you can wish :D [08:59] diplo: manly pat on the back for being awesome..... [09:02] Hope these bloomin scrappy people turn up on time [09:11] diplo: do they need you to pick up the car? can't they just take it? [09:13] Need the key, and I need to sign for it supposedly [09:13] Oooh and I need to take the tax disc out! === TREllis_ is now known as TREllis [09:16] diplo: you're welcome [09:21] ta :) [09:22] Well that was worth it, it runs out the end of this month.. probably can't claim that now [09:24] diplo: No, has to be at least a full month left [09:24] :/ [09:24] I paid for that as well! :( [09:27] hey everyone [09:27] \o knightwise [09:30] Good morning all; happy International Day of People with Disability! :-D [09:30] #ubuntu-uk day then? [09:30] (mental counts right?) [09:32] Morning all [09:32] morning popey [09:33] \o [09:33] and knightwise JamesTait et al [09:33] i had a dream about shuttlewroth coming round my house last night and speeding up my computer [09:33] :S [09:33] MartijnVdS, I don't think it discriminates against people with any specific kind of disability. I thin kthat's the point. :-P [09:34] morning everyone [09:35] how are you guys doing today [09:35] * foobarry has been winding up strikers [09:35] some sort of strike today [09:35] Someone appears to have stolen 15 minutes of my morning. [09:35] foobarry: as in why you striking? [09:35] MooDoo: they were asking why i was breaking a picket line LOL [09:35] this aint the miners strike [09:36] they seemed annoyed that i said i wasn't interested in pay [09:36] of course i am , but not the way they fail to do it [09:37] Arthur Scargill got hit on the head, his head bled quite a lot and formed a scab. When it hadn't cleared up after two weeks, he went to see the doctor. The doctor told him not to picket. [09:38] the office is rather empty today, but nobody's in the union. weird [09:38] foobarry: what you do for a living, if you don't mind me asking? [09:39] the same as my friend mungbean [09:40] he provides IT systems for academic research [09:40] One word, foobarry, and I was instantly transported back to my early childhood. Living in a mining village was quite scary back then, I seem to recall. [09:42] i don't think i'd be suited to working in mines [09:42] or fighting in a war for that matter [09:42] i could fly remote drones though [09:43] foobarry: join amazon for that ;) [09:43] foobarry: You better get your application in for Amazon then [09:44] what if you buy a quadcopter? [09:44] do they post the remote control to you after it's landed? [09:45] foobarry: it's only up to a certain weight, quad copters would be to heavy [09:45] I want to know how its going to put the 'we tried to deliver but you were out' card through the letter box [09:45] i really hope they make that drone thing, and all the drones get stolen using GPS spoofing [09:45] ali1234: they'll stop it then [09:45] ali1234: I suspect it was just a marketing ploy the day before cyber monday [09:46] well yeah [09:46] And then there'll be the case of the drone trying to land on somebodys pet rotweiller thats lying down just outside the door [09:46] what if you live in a flat? [09:47] MooDoo: They have roofs [09:47] hangin out in the tele2 datacenter in den bosch today [09:47] Abandoned Amazon packages on the roof of blocks of flats because nobody has a key to get up there [09:48] knightwise: got ear plugs ;) [09:48] MooDoo: they could fly the quadcopter to me.. [09:49] morning peeps [09:54] MooDoo: yes è [09:54] I'm in a "cold alley" so its pretty chilly too [09:55] Amazon marketing success, that drone video. [09:56] SuperMatt: morning [09:56] knightwise: ooo lovely [09:57] popey: it worked, got everyone talking about it...maybe we could implement the same for ubuntu cd's ;) [09:58] Just installed 12 [09:58] 12.04 on my new lenovo [09:59] works like a charm , but the touchpad is quirky [09:59] why 12.04 and not 13.10? [09:59] MartijnVdS: seemed to work better [10:00] strange, you'd think hardware support would be better in a newer Ubuntu :) [10:00] appears not .. its strange [10:00] I seems to have a bug where it does not detect the touchpad at first boot [10:00] then when I reboot everthing is fine [10:01] laptop is a lenovo twist [10:01] knightwise: my XPS12 has similar issues.. if I disable the touch screen, the touchpad is fine, if I enable it, it's *very* basic (no two-finger scrolling, for example) [10:01] same issue her [10:01] e [10:01] that is a software bug [10:01] I need to look for a script to disable / enable the touchscreen [10:02] why? [10:02] the touchpad and touchscreen are completely different hardware [10:02] enabling or disabling one cannot affect the operation of the other... unless the software is broken [10:02] It's because the touchpad and touch screen both share an I2C bus [10:03] not sure what is the Matter . at first boot the touchpad doesnt work but the touchscreen does [10:03] at 'reboot" they both work [10:03] (though the touch pad is also available on "old style" interfaces, unless I2C is initialized) [10:03] so: enable touchscreen -> touch pad goes to "basic mode" [10:03] (because there's no good I2C SYnaptics driver yet) [10:04] that makes no sense [10:04] there are launchpad bugs about this [10:04] so is there anything I can do when the touchpad doesnt work. ? run a script or something ? [10:04] would save me the trouble of rebooting [10:04] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1218973 [10:04] Ubuntu bug 1218973 in linux (Ubuntu) "XPS 12-9Q33 touchpad not recognized" [High,Triaged] [10:05] ali1234: ^ [10:05] yeah that has nothing to do with the touchscreen at all [10:06] ah , so the issue is also still there in 13.10 [10:06] that's just the synaptics driver being rubbish [10:06] ah. so hooking up a mouse would perhaps work [10:06] ali1234: http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-input/msg27768.html [10:09] ali1234: they've been fixing it in a branch called "synaptics-rmi4" or something [10:12] And it's gone! [10:12] diplo: who is? [10:12] Now to get on with work, my ex's car.. been waiting for scrap dealer to pick it up [10:13] Been sat outside my house for weeks [10:13] was it a 1 yr old mercedes :P [10:13] is the ex in the trunk? [10:13] that would be satisfying [10:13] MartijnVdS: are you hans reiser? [10:13] foobarry: no. [10:14] i wonder when he gets outta jail [10:14] heh nope :/ [10:14] And nah a picasa, died probably 6 weeks ago and been waiting for her to arrange it [10:14] foobarry: he got "15 years to life" [10:14] In July 2012, a jury awarded Reiser's children $60 million against their father for the death of Nina Reiser.[60] Reiser acted as his own attorney during the trial and tried to argue that he killed his wife to protect their children [10:15] I think there's a word for that: "Bonkers" [10:15] As a result of his plea bargain, Reiser cannot appeal his conviction or sentence [10:16] Weird 'Murricans [10:16] same as OJ then [10:17] woops, OJ was acquitted [10:17] In September 2007, Simpson was arrested in Las Vegas, Nevada, and charged with numerous felonies, including armed robbery and kidnapping.[3] In 2008, he was found guilty[4][5] and sentenced to 33 years' imprisonment, with a minimum of nine years without parole.[ [10:17] prize muppet [10:17] I don't understand plea bargains... you either did it, or you didn't. Punishment should be based on that. Not on how well you can argue about it? [10:19] mitigating circumstances? [10:20] popey: sure, but the way plea bargaining works in the US isn't like that [10:20] popey: it's like "Say you did it and we'll punish you less", then even if they can't prove it, they punish you because you said you did it! [10:20] 2021 [10:20] "Reiser will be eligible for parole in 2021 when he will be 57 years old" [10:20] at laest he gets to travel [10:21] he's been in 4 different prisons already [10:21] popey: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Ethically_disputed_judicial_practices [10:22] pretty sure in the UK you get a shorter sentence if you plead guilty [10:26] foobarry: inquisitorial system vs adversarial system [10:26] foobarry: actually, Common Law vs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_law_(legal_system) [10:27] good morning everyone. [10:35] morning brobostigon sorry for ignoring you there [10:35] MooDoo: dont worry about it, busyness can cause delay. [10:36] anyone had experience with the wii motion plus adapters you get on ebay? [10:38] my gold wii controller got killed by a battery leak [10:46] Hmmh, should I be worried as a Rugby League supporter, godaddy reported to be set to be announced as main sponsors of the top league [10:46] do they have dancing girls in rugby league? [10:46] DJones: no [10:47] foobarry: No, thats football your thinking of, they're the ones with numbers 1-11 on their backs :) [10:48] they will have dancing girls within the year then :P [10:48] some of these guys on ebay shift 30,000 items a month :-| [10:49] foobarry: sounds like hard work [10:50] foobarry: There are half time cheerleaders, but generally its local kids that do that [10:50] sounds a bit pervy already [10:51] probably what attracted the godaddy [10:57] Morning all [10:58] morning davmor2 [11:13] aloha [11:13] hello czajkowski [11:16] czajkowski: long time no type [11:48] Grr, stupid suppliers, ringing me up asking for payment of an invoice...which I've already emailed and asked for a copy, email confirmed as delivered and read 3 weeks earlier but nobody bothered to send me a copy, then the same person I emailed rings me up to ask for payment, when I pointed that out they said, "Oh I didn't send a copy, I just thought the original would have turned up by now" [11:53] how do I restart the network manager jobby in the top bar? [11:55] TheOpenSourcerer: still need to? [11:55] lol [11:55] (generally you don't, you restart NM itself) [11:55] sudo service network-manager restart [11:55] ya [11:55] Just installed Openvpn but it's not showing up in the list of VPNs I want to configure [11:57] Now installing network-manager-openvpn - why didn't the software centre install this when I installed openvnp is beyond me. [11:57] DJones: lol [11:58] TheOpenSourcerer: because it isn't a dependency on openvpn if you did it the other way round it would of [11:58] davmor2: yes - but that disn;t show up by default - was hidden in the "technical items" ;-) [11:59] sounds fair enough to me. I use ubuntu on servers. I don't want NM to be a dependency of openvpn [11:59] shauno: Am not on a server - obviously [12:00] TheOpenSourcerer: Technical items is basically anything that doesn't have .desktop file making it hard to display graphically. So that fits the criteria sorry :) [12:00] Just seems a bit sucky really. [12:00] just noticed the little animation lmgtfy now does [12:01] some people don't want to install nmetwork-manager-openvpn though [12:01] e.g. if you use wicd + openvpn, you don't want NM pulled in [12:01] so it's sane [12:03] I think what he'd need simply isn't in deb's brains atm. an amazon-esque "if you have X and Y, you may also be interested in Z" [12:04] shauno: yeah - like I want focus follows eyeballs rather than mouse ;-) [12:04] Which is probably doable as Samsung can do that kind of thing on their phones... [12:10] I really need to find a way to move these VMs to kvm or similar. vmware is inspiring many not-family-safe phrases today [12:16] shauno: the ones you were trying to coerce months ago? [12:16] are the tasks your vm is doing something that lxc could do? [12:16] some of them, probably. others come packaged as a VM from a third-party, so are probably best left that way [12:17] d'oh [12:18] and one's windows7, which is also filling me with various kinds of hate :( [12:18] naturally# [12:20] well, mostly it just makes me feel stupid. eg, I can't figure out how to renew dhcp on nic2 [12:20] you'll never manage to move a windows7 vm onto a different platform if you want it to stay activated [12:21] shauno: ipconfig /renew doesn't work? [12:23] honestly, I can't tell [12:29] never thought I'd say this, but I want the XP vm back [12:29] SLAP! [12:29] ;) [12:30] shauno: did you read about the latest xp xploit with adobes reader installed? [12:31] well see, it's not internet-facing so I've never had to worry about stuff like that [12:31] golden rule for windows; no internet, no problem :) [12:32] just had a friend with the crypto virus [12:33] I've not seen the crypto thing or bothered reading up on it.. how do you get it ? Just links, or have to install something manually ? [12:33] diplo: it's malware, exe or from a zip, but yes you have to run it [12:33] from what I've ready, the primary vector appears to be email [12:33] yes and it's a doozy, :( [12:34] I told my friend pay up or loose your data, they didn't want to pay x hundred quid so reformatted. [12:34] most the cases I've read so far, it tries to pretend it's coming from someone within the company (hello SPF) and then mails itself to the rest of the company [12:35] :/ [12:35] No ones got round it in any way yet then I guess [12:35] * diplo goes off to read up on it. [12:35] you can't [12:35] diplo: it encyrpts your files with 256bit encryption, you have to pay for the key [12:35] so far, cash, backups, or wave goodbye [12:36] and keep in mind that it will try to traverse mapped network shares [12:39] backups can't be understated there either. If someone's lost "everything" they either had no backups, or they were hot/online (see also: raid is not a backup) [12:40] Good morning peeps :) [12:40] dogmatic69: you around? [12:41] Blimey, that sucks.. amazed I've not had any calls yet :) [12:41] sup [12:41] Maybe people are actually starting to take heed of me saying don't click the links! [12:41] bigcalm: o/ [12:41] dogmatic69: I need to read a model record without it returning an array that also includes all linked records [12:42] still in 1.1? [12:42] diplo: nah doubt it [12:42] dogmatic69: $this->Apartment->read(null, $apartmentId) is returning far more data than I need [12:42] dogmatic69: yep, but hopefully still relevant [12:42] ok, does the model have 'recursive' property? [12:43] dogmatic69: not that I can see in models/apartment.php [12:43] it would be in cakes Model class [12:44] it has http://api11.cakephp.org/class_model.html#21ff2f461a6032573d52bba2cd8ec296 [12:44] you can use that to limit what returns [12:44] dogmatic69: yep, just found it [12:44] Okay... [12:45] that will for example stop returning all relations with -1 [12:45] 0 should do just belongs to [12:45] or has one [12:45] you can also use http://api11.cakephp.org/class_model.html#10b02aacb6ec610a54e578f11ac73e54 [12:45] with that you can remove specific relations before the find [12:46] * bigcalm tinkers [12:46] Thanks :) [12:47] in the newer cakes you could specify if that unbind lasted or just for the next find. Not sure of the 1.1 [12:47] seems like it is for the entire request, but might be for the next call only. [12:50] dogmatic69: works like a charm, thanks: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6514310/ [12:51] np [12:51] That is within the BeforeSave() method of the Booking model. Hopefully it won't mess up the relationships [12:51] bigcalm: bit late now, but the 'best' thing to do is set it to -1 in the appmodel and then adjust as needed. :) [12:52] but newer versions have containable which makes selecting the fields / models to use on the fly much easier [12:53] dogmatic69: this is a _very_ old project. Making do with what I have ;) [12:53] ye, 1.1 is ~ windows 95 :P [12:54] It still has support for PHP 4 [12:54] poor you [12:54] Well, in the framework. Not sure my code is still usable on PHP 4 [13:08] \o/ turkey ordered [13:08] popey: Food or pet? [13:09] food [13:10] my n54l is here! [13:11] MartijnVdS: Pet food I bet the cats get away with it :D [13:16] \o/ [13:16] ordered quite a big turkey, hope it fits in the oven ☻ [13:17] might cheat and cook it the day before [13:18] is anyone unfortunate enough to use office 365? [13:20] foobarry: I had to at my previous job [13:20] IMAP and SMTP support is terrible [13:20] and regular issues [13:21] foobarry: IMAP disconnects *all the time* [13:21] SMTP sometimes randomly decides to reject your password, so Thunderbird gets confused [13:21] Good thing I only worked at that place for a month [13:21] what a joke [13:21] Well, thats the last time I go to *that* bakery. I ordered a cornish pastie and she put a sausage roll in the bag ☹ [13:21] foobarry: apparently it works fine with Lookout [13:21] my company have decided to no longer support thunderbird with o365 [13:22] what is lookout? [13:22] foobarry: Outlook [13:22] there's no way i'm puntting that hideous app on my machine [13:22] good! [13:23] creates more problems than it solves [13:23] popey: that's just... wow [13:23] it's not as bad as express lookout [13:24] wondering about creating a smtp relay [13:24] then you'll have two problems ;) [13:25] I just yesterday saw a 3D printer on Google+ that is sold for 499 and now I can't find the ink [13:25] link [13:25] oh yeah [13:26] found it [13:26] grrrr [13:27] just lost the remote control with a laptop I had setup in our isp's datacenter [13:27] knightwise: you eating frosties lol [13:27] And I need to get at it to do some tests [13:27] Myrtti: http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/125537-rs-reprappro-ormerod-3d-printer-could-be-world-s-cheapest-and-it-s-self-replicating-to-boot ? [13:27] MooDoo: i'm eating "Frusties" [13:27] Daviey: yeah [13:27] nice [13:37] foobarry: reminder - airfix and hornby calendar ☻ [13:44] popey: thanks i just did them a few mins ago ☻ [13:44] did you get a reminder from facebook or something? [13:44] scalextric too! [13:44] no, i set a reminder in my to-do app [13:44] the hornby clues are weird [13:44] i'd love to win a hornby set [13:45] worth building a 30k extension for ;P [13:45] darn.. i forgot to adjust the power settings of the remote machine ... thats why I cant reach it any more. [13:46] knightwise: it fell asleep? [13:46] yep [13:46] haha [13:46] Now i need a biorobot on site to wiggle the mouse [13:55] try blowing down the cat5 cable [13:55] swing it round your head, so stuck bits can fly out [13:55] going to see if I can poke an engineer onsite [13:56] are you using the correct wifi cables? [13:57] you guys should have your own stand up comedy show [13:57] somewhere in the center of a black hole [13:57] http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/68868664110/digging-into-kernel-internals [13:57] just get one of these to move the mouse a bit every so often: http://the-gadgeteer.com/2010/12/05/wiebetech-mouse-jiggler-review/ or implement your own... http://lifehacker.com/5896093/use-an-analog-alarm-clock-to-disable-forced-screensavers [13:59] http://the-gadgeteer.com/2010/12/05/wiebetech-mouse-jiggler-review/ or implement your own... http://the-gadgeteer.com/2010/12/05/wiebetech-mouse-jiggler-review/ [13:59] slrr [13:59] ggaaah ! [13:59] not my day today :) [13:59] thanx for the tips [13:59] love the clock one :) [13:59] http://mousejiggler.codeplex.com/ [14:00] this is a software version of it [14:02] yeah, I saw, neat idea that one too. [14:10] does it work on joggler? [14:10] joggler jiggler [14:11] you can get jogglers for peanuts now [14:11] what power supply do they need? [14:12] if you have a loose power connector, do you need to joggle it? [14:12] £15 without power supply [14:15] 5V, 4000mA DC hmmm i'll pass [14:17] people are paying big money on ebay for the hp touchpad...crazy [14:19] hp touchpad ? [14:19] aha [14:19] webos [14:20] still commanding higher prices that what people paid for it [14:20] mine wouldn't fetch that much since i've hacked it open twice [14:27] there.. [14:27] remote access restored [14:27] biorobot did his work ok :) [14:27] installed the mouse jiggle app and tweaked the power settings [14:35] phew. thought i'd cracked my phone screen but it was the screen protector starting to degrade after 4 yrs on my phone [14:37] I forget I have a screen protector, mine's thankfully not had that problem yet [14:39] * MartijnVdS never uses those [14:40] my tablet has one too because styli tend to scratch [14:40] I had one of those "Invisible Shield" ones on my N900 because it had a plastic resistive screen [14:41] i didn't know they were resistive [14:41] I dropped the first one on a printout and it peeled off the top layer [14:41] I swore a lot, and then went to town on it trying to damage it [14:41] I was rather impressed with how much abuse it too [14:41] not as much as you abused nokia for withdrawing it? [14:42] Couldn't puncture it with a ballpoint even trying very hard [14:42] (the screen protector) [14:42] The next one I put on in the bathroom after running the shower for 10 minutes to haze the dust out of the air [14:43] Zero bubbles, to date it's stayed on perfectly and never showed any signs of damage (my daughter now has the N900 as an audio player) [14:44] bathrooms also good as not v carpeted [14:44] My bathroom has a laminate floor [14:44] think i have stone floor [14:44] I liked the N900 but not how it was hobbled by Elop killing the development team [14:44] never used the underfloor heating tho [14:45] lamost bought a n900 but got the desire which i still have [14:45] Underfloor is supposed to be very efficient [14:45] Have a Nexus 4 now [14:45] No screen protector [14:45]