[03:38] <rick_h_> I might have 3 monitors for sale wow.../me wants http://dcse.dell.com/us/en/gen/peripherals/dell-up2414q/pd.aspx?refid=dell-up2414q&s=gen
[03:38] <rick_h_> and right at the edge of what this video card will do. It'll go up to 4096x2160
[12:13] <brousch10> rick_h_: You would have to have it as close to your face as a tablet screen. I think the Seiki 39" 4k makes more sense as a desktop monitor
[12:43] <rick_h_> brousch: why do you say that?
[12:45] <brousch> The tiny pixels will be wasted 2ft from your face
[12:46] <brousch> "Retina" screens work because they are 1ft from your eyes, so the tiny pixels make a difference
[12:58] <rick_h_> I'm not sure it's wasted. It's 180dpi vs the 300+ of the smaller screens
[12:58] <rick_h_> and at 24" it's a chunk larger than my 21" 1920 now which isn't high res enouogh
[12:59] <rick_h_> I'm sure a mix of the higher res + larger fonts would make for something nice.
[12:59] <rick_h_> I've been dying to move past these stupid HD screens for years now
[12:59] <rick_h_> it's why I run 21" HD screens (20.5) as it's about as small as you can go with that res
[13:06] <brousch> Is it really only 180dpi?
[13:06] <brousch> That's lower than I thought
[13:09] <rick_h_> brousch: yea, 183.58 per http://members.ping.de/~sven/dpi.html
[13:10] <rick_h_> I'm with you that there will be things I'll want to make larger, but not sold it'll not provide a chunk of useful real estate
[13:10] <rick_h_> then again, I've not sat in front of one so I could be wrong
[13:11] <rick_h_> I'll have to chat with waf and see how his awesomeWM experience went with that macbook
[13:13] <brousch> 3840x2560 @ 20 Panasonic Toughpad 4K UT-MB4
[13:13] <brousch> d00d
[13:14] <brousch> That may be exactly what I've been looking for to replace printed blueprints
[13:30] <cmaloney> rick_h_: Oh geez
[13:31] <cmaloney> Hey, it has a USB3 hub
[13:32] <cmaloney> because nothing is better than having shit hanging from your monitor
[13:33] <brousch> It's useful when your computer is hidden away
[13:34] <cmaloney> Yeah, completley out if sight
[13:34] <cmaloney> including the monitor
[13:34] <cmaloney> because blergh
[13:36] <jrwren> i love having USB on my monitor. I plug in the thunderbolt and hte USB drive is available :p
[13:38] <rick_h_> yea, I have usb on all three of mine. Makes for nice things like places to plug in usb drives on top of the desk, camera, etc
[14:21] <cmaloney> I dunno. I'm a cable snob. The less I see cables the happier I am. :)
[14:23] <rick_h_> monitors hide the cables behind them
[14:34] <trevlar> quick python question.. is this ok to do? https://gist.github.com/fitztrev/7769867
[14:35] <brousch> Define 'ok'
[14:35] <brousch> Does it work?
[14:35] <trevlar> yeah it works. just don't know if it's the right way. it's for a weechat plugin that'll notify me on my desktop if I get a message. but if the message is 'hey trevlar, f you"; rm -rf /'
[14:36] <trevlar> then I want to make sure it's ok :)
[14:37] <rick_h_> I'd rip off the code in http://docs.python.org/dev/library/shlex.html#shlex.quote since it's in 3.3
[14:38] <rick_h_> or looks like a hidden pipes.quote based on http://bugs.python.org/issue9723]
[14:38] <rick_h_> minux the ]
[14:38] <rick_h_> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4748344/whats-the-reverse-of-shlex-split
[14:44] <jrwren> trevlar: if it works, it is fine.  now do it without forking would be my preference.
[14:44] <cmaloney> -https://twitter.com/photonstorm/status/407872769557553152
[14:44] <jrwren> that means no shlexx too :)
[14:44] <jrwren> OMG, i've seen that unicode thing a dozen times now! its annoying! :)
[14:44] <cmaloney> jrwren: Sorry, it's the first I've seen it
[14:45]  * cmaloney makes sure to post it at least 100 tomes more.
[14:45] <cmaloney> times more, even
[14:45] <jrwren> cmaloney: i'm also annoyed because its a "duh" imo. We actually did C# hacks with that feature 5+ yrs ago.
[14:45] <cmaloney> jrwren: I see
[14:45] <jrwren> spaces in member names by using a unicode whitespace.
[14:45] <jrwren> etc, etc
[14:45] <cmaloney> please line up against the wall
[14:45] <jrwren> so been tehre done that makes a joke less funny :(
[14:46] <cmaloney> You'll hear a loud bang and a sharp stinging sensation
[14:46] <rick_h_> jrwren: why no forking on a single user irc notifier?
[14:47] <jrwren> oh, i'm sure a fork in this case is fine. I simply prefer not to fork in general.
[14:47] <rick_h_> ah ok
[14:47] <cmaloney> He's more of a spooner. ;)
[14:47] <jrwren> Plus, I find a learn a lot of good things and good techniques about my language and environment by choosing this.
[14:48]  * cmaloney sends myself to the principals office.
[14:49] <trevlar> rick_h_: ok thanks
[14:51] <trevlar> jrwren: meaning popen instead of system?
[14:51] <rick_h_> trevlar: np, just seemed like a problem that must have been solved as it's just an escaping problem.
[14:51] <jrwren> trevlar: no, popen still forks.
[14:51] <jrwren> trevlar: i mean walk the dir tree yourself and call os.unlink yourself
[14:52] <jrwren> trevlar: http://bytes.com/topic/python/answers/729141-os-walk-recursive-deletion
[14:52] <jrwren> trevlar: much easier to read: http://code.activestate.com/recipes/552732-remove-directories-recursively/
[14:52] <rick_h_> jrwren: the point isn't to do the rm, it's to prevent it
[14:53] <rick_h_> jrwren: he wants to make sure none of us can say "hey trevlar watch this;" rm -rf /"
[14:53] <cmaloney> Preventing XSS
[14:53] <rick_h_> and his irc little notifier will start bombing his system
[14:53] <jrwren> oh, apparently I completely misunderstood his code.
[14:53] <cmaloney> jrwren: Yeah, I didn't catch the purpose initially
[14:53] <rick_h_> at least now I get why you metioned forking
[14:54] <jrwren> but you really want to call terminal-notifier ?
[14:54] <jrwren> and NOW i see why rick_h_ mentioned shlex.
[14:54] <rick_h_> jrwren: :)
[14:54] <cmaloney> This reminds me of having to calmly tell someone why it was a bad idea for him to automatically open URLs in IRC.
[14:54] <jrwren> i'm not sure i would shlex it, because I think shlex would work around the semicolon.
[14:54] <rick_h_> and eventually the streams come untagnled
[14:54] <trevlar> jrwren: yeah.. I looked at pync but it's just a wrapper for terminal-notifier anyway
[14:54] <jrwren> i'd just split on space and pass that as argv to execve
[15:20] <trevlar> ok thanks guys. worked my way through those links and tried out a few solutions
[15:20] <jrwren> hopefully you ignored everything I said
[15:20] <jrwren> which is never a bad idea.
[15:20] <trevlar> only downside is that mavericks has me on python 2.7.5
[15:20] <rick_h_> trevlar: right, but the pipes thing shouold be in py2
[15:21] <rick_h_> and pipes.quote was ported to the shelex thing
[15:21] <rick_h_> so I'd guess api is close if not the same
[15:23] <trevlar> rick_h_: ok so where do I go from here? https://gist.github.com/fitztrev/7769867
[15:23] <brousch> mavwha?
[15:29] <trevlar> oh I think I got it.. https://gist.github.com/fitztrev/7769867
[15:33] <rick_h_> trevlar: commented. Basically you can grab the exit code of the os.system call and check it's return code for things to make pretty messages
[15:33] <rick_h_> but yea, the "" around the thing caused issues.
[15:34] <trevlar> rick_h_: cool
[15:35] <trevlar> thanks for the help. really appreciate it
[15:39] <jrwren> trevlar: what is wrong with 2.7.5?
[15:43] <trevlar> jrwren: some of the shlex things I was trying weren't working
[15:48] <trevlar> rick_h_: you left a comment on my gist?
[15:48] <rick_h_> trevlar: yea
[15:49] <trevlar> rick_h_: oh I don't see it
[15:50] <rick_h_> hmm, must not have hit submit or something
[15:51] <rick_h_> trevlar: tried again? https://gist.github.com/fitztrev/7769867
[15:52] <jcastro> angular.js tomorrow at AACS if people want to make the trip
[15:52] <rick_h_> bah, would be cool to come out. CHC day though
[15:53] <brousch> Move CHC to AA
[15:53] <rick_h_> you move your meetings to lansing
[15:53] <jcastro> BUY A HOUSE IN AA RICK
[15:54] <rick_h_> it's 1.5hr for me to get to downtown AA
[15:54] <rick_h_> jcastro: heh, it is outside my wife's no compete zone for her practice :P
[15:55] <jcastro> does that mean she can or cannot practice here?
[15:55] <rick_h_> she can
[15:55] <rick_h_> she can't leave her work and practice within 15mi of her current place
[15:56] <jcastro> oh excellent
[15:56] <jcastro> make that happen
[15:56] <jcastro> uproot your entire life pls.
[15:57] <rick_h_> will do, someone just needs to pay down our house to current levels. A kickstarter of about 80K ought to do it
[15:59] <brousch> Heh, what's up with Adobe? http://www.businessinsider.com/the-jungle-largest-homeless-camp-in-us-2013-8#welcome-to-the-jungle-the-largest-homeless-camp-in-the-silicon-valley-and-continental-united-states-1
[16:29] <jrwren> there is a CHC AA already
[16:34] <greg-g> jrwren: is it still going?
[16:34] <cmaloney> We just need to invent reliable matter transport
[16:34] <greg-g> the only people I knew that went to it were in my grad program, who are gone
[16:34] <cmaloney> teleportation
[16:34] <cmaloney> I seem meeting notices for the AA CHC from time to time
[16:34] <greg-g> cool
[16:34] <cmaloney> So first order of business would be to break the laws of physics.
[16:34] <cmaloney> Should be an afternoon at best.
[16:35] <cmaloney> I'll get JoDee right on that.
[16:35] <jrwren> teleportation
[16:35] <greg-g> if she can't do that, what good is she?
[16:36] <cmaloney> "Hey honey? When you get a chance would you break the laws of physics so I can meet up in Ann Arbor?"
[16:36] <cmaloney> "kthxbai"
[16:36] <cmaloney> Actually I think we shouldn't do that because rick_h_ would be teleporting to Portland all the damn time
[16:36] <cmaloney> nevermind.
[16:36]  * cmaloney scratches that off the todo list.
[16:37] <rick_h_> bah, I never get to do anything fun
[16:37] <cmaloney> Nope.
[16:39] <cmaloney> We're clean out of fun. All we have is pain and suffering and misery.
[19:23] <greg-g> stupid celery making perfectly good chicken noodle soup taste like crap
[19:24] <cmaloney> Heh
[19:24] <cmaloney> I think some folks don't understand that there is such a thing as too much celery.
[19:25] <greg-g> and that much is >0.
[19:25] <cmaloney> I like it in moderation
[19:25] <rick_h_> greg-g: https://twitter.com/sontek/status/407948351364005888
[19:25] <cmaloney> but the theory that celery can bulk up chicken noodle soup without adversely affecting it is sorely mistaken
[19:26] <cmaloney> At least it's scripted.
[19:26] <rick_h_> I keep thinking there's a t-shirt in there somewhere
[19:26] <rick_h_> and maybe even a release mgr conference :)
[19:26] <greg-g> rick_h_: :)
[19:27] <greg-g> our rollback, luckily, is just "re-point that symlink back over there"
[19:27] <greg-g> (basically)
[19:45] <rick_h_> well, crossed 200th user with a bookmark in the system woot! https://bmark.us/dashboard
[19:45] <greg-g> rick_h_: nice
[19:46] <cmaloney> w00t
[19:47] <cmaloney> I think it's a spam link
[19:47] <rick_h_> yea, noticed that. So it's not 100% blatant enough for me to pull.
[19:47] <cmaloney> congratulations. :)
[19:47] <rick_h_> so the guy works for an SEO company, he linked a few pages.
[19:48] <rick_h_> Queue position: 22 of 74 for the FF extension...go go go
[19:48] <cmaloney> I thought they learned that SEO link-spamming pushed the link down in Google Results.
[19:57] <brousch> rick_h_: You know you've really made it when spammers start using your system
[19:57] <rick_h_> brousch: yea, killed a couple of accounts
[19:58] <brousch> You're legit now!
[19:58] <rick_h_> new my metric is all of the links on the front page are from the same day
[19:58] <rick_h_> my new metric that is
[19:58] <rick_h_> hopefully we can get the FF users coming in and going crazy
[20:09] <brousch> Interesting. After 1-2 years of using touch screens instead of touchpads, touchpads have become annoying and tedious
[20:10] <rick_h_> touchpads have always been fail
[20:11] <brousch> I liked them better than the nipple on Apple
[20:11] <brousch> Actually I'm not using Apple, so that could still be the case
[20:12] <brousch> This Win8 laptop came with a big touchpad
[20:16] <brousch> On a big screen a touchpad is just so slow and imprecise to go across the screen
[20:40] <cmaloney> The meetings will continue until productivity increases.
[20:42] <brousch> The meetings should become more frequent until productivity increases
[20:42] <brousch> Obviously the current level of meeting frequency is inadequate
[23:11] <rick_h_> jcastro: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57614300-94/motorola-delays-moto-x-cyber-monday-deal-after-site-crash/ $349 motox
[23:12] <rick_h_> that's getting down there nice
[23:12] <rick_h_> especially as I htink it's better than the N5
[23:13] <greg-g> fucking cnet with their stupid internal links
[23:15] <greg-g> also, why doesn't the motorola page on the moto x include tech specs? it does for the moto g.
[23:15]  * greg-g grumbles too much
[23:16] <rick_h_> hah, this is great http://r.bmark.us/u/6e5cadc2f95457
[23:43] <greg-g> cmaloney: I didn't realize this: "There is a lock on new devices coming to Ting. They need to be on the market for at least 12 months prior to BYOD." -- @tinghelp