[05:07] <Kilos> hi mazal psychicist and others
[06:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[06:04] <superfly> morning Kilos, ThatGraemeGuy
[06:05] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[06:05] <Kilos> morning superfly 
[06:05] <Kilos> hows the fly and family today?
[06:08] <superfly> tired
[06:08] <Kilos> ai!
[06:32] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:32] <Kilos> hi inetpro 
[06:32] <Kilos> 7mm
[06:33] <inetpro> Kilos: last night?
[06:33]  * inetpro didn't notice any rains
[06:33]  * Kilos needs to power down to remove wireless card for modification purposes
[06:33] <Kilos> yeah last night
[06:34] <Kilos> and yesterday avy when i warned you
[06:34] <Kilos> wbb
[06:39]  * Kilos came again back
[07:01] <superfly> tumbleweed: ping
[07:02] <tumbleweed> superfly: hi
[07:02] <superfly> tumbleweed: I'm having issues with my computer again -_-
[07:04] <tumbleweed> yeah?
[07:04] <superfly> if I run strace on a couple of apps that appear to hang, these are the last few lines: http://pastebin.com/bkTqk6QT
[07:05] <superfly> Kate was one, and TortoiseHG was another
[07:05] <superfly> out of the repos, nothing unusual about them
[07:05] <superfly> this is debian unstable, btw
[07:05] <tumbleweed> what's on the other end of that socket?
[07:05] <superfly> I saw this same behaviour on Kubuntu
[07:05] <superfly> not a clue
[07:05] <tumbleweed> ICE sounds familiar. KDE message bus?
[07:06] <superfly> here are a few more lines before that http://pastebin.com/QYcsQbby
[07:06] <tumbleweed> lsof /tmp/.ICE-unix/3815 ?
[07:07] <superfly> tumbleweed: I think it's an X thing, to be honest
[07:07] <superfly> http://pastebin.com/gDA36n3Y
[07:08] <superfly> ah, the KDE session manager
[07:09] <tumbleweed> strace it?
[07:09] <tumbleweed> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/58171 seems related
[07:10] <superfly> Yes, I came across that the last time this happened...
[07:11] <tumbleweed> there are some ubuntu developers chatting ni that bug (still reading it)
[07:14] <tumbleweed> ah, it trails off at the end
[07:14] <tumbleweed> with avahi being a likely culprit for closing ice connections without notice
[07:26] <superfly> ok, let's see if I can strace ksmserver
[07:28] <tumbleweed> good luck. I'm exhausted and going to bed
[07:30] <superfly> OK... night night
[08:05] <mazal> Hi guys , who else in Gauteng felt last night's earthquake ?
[08:05] <mazal> http://m.emsc.eu/earthquake/earthquake.php?id=346474
[08:05] <Kilos> nope
[08:06] <mazal> Was scary , at first I thought it is the mine , then it might be another teller being blown up , but as the shacking continued I realized it must be a quake
[08:07] <mazal> Here in Cullinan we all felt it
[08:08] <Kilos> wow
[08:09] <Kilos> inetpro, ^^ did you feel it?
[08:10] <Kilos> mind you mazal arent you about 100ks from pta central
[08:10] <mazal> 50km
[08:10] <mazal> And my mind immediately went to the chapter we studied last night , Matthew 24
[08:11] <mazal> Where is 3000km South of PTA ? Must be in the ocean yes ?
[08:12] <Kilos> yes
[08:13] <Kilos> about 1500 to capetown
[08:13] <Kilos> oh thats by road
[08:13] <mazal> Sjoe
[08:13] <mazal> Oom Kilos have you ever used mint ?
[08:13] <Kilos> nope
[08:14] <Kilos> ive used mate on ubuntu though
[08:14] <mazal> Saw a few screenshots online last night of Mint 16 , looks really beautiful
[08:14] <Kilos> isnt that a mint thing
[08:14] <mazal> I dunno , I think so
[08:14] <Kilos> i dont worry beautiful. everything must just work
[08:15] <Kilos> ya man mate and cinnamon
[08:15] <mazal> Call me old school , but that menu looks so much better than the unity thing
[08:15] <Kilos> oh like gnome2
[08:15] <mazal> Ya , nut way better
[08:15] <Kilos> like maverick
[08:15] <mazal> The menu has lots of extra info
[08:16] <mazal> And features
[08:16] <Kilos> 10.10 was and still is the easiest for me
[08:16] <Squirm-> morning
[08:16] <mazal> Reminded me a bit of K's menu
[08:16] <Kilos> hi Squirm- 
[08:16] <mazal> Morning Squirm- 
[08:17] <Kilos> QA, distance pretoria to capetown
[08:17] <QA> Kilos: *blink*
[08:17] <Kilos> hmm...
[08:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> 1458km according to google maps
[08:18] <Kilos> ty ThatGraemeGuy 
[08:19] <mazal> QA in a blinking mood again today hehehe
[08:19] <QA> mazal: Excuse me?
[08:19] <mazal> QA sjoes en gaan maak koffie
[08:19] <QA> mazal: Huh?
[08:19] <Kilos> i got the command wrong
[08:20] <Kilos> you see maaz is dead
[08:20] <mazal> Didn't even see that
[08:20] <Kilos> thats why i sent QA here
[08:20] <Kilos> QA, coffee on
[08:20]  * QA flips the salt-timer
[08:21] <mazal> qa coffee please
[08:21] <QA> mazal: Okay
[08:23] <mazal> QA snappy snappy snappe
[08:23] <QA> mazal: *blink*
[08:24] <QA> Coffee's ready for Kilos and mazal!
[08:24] <Kilos> QA, ty
[08:24] <QA> You're welcome Kilos
[08:24] <mazal> qa , dankie
[08:24] <QA> mazal: That didn't go down very well. Burp.
[08:25] <mazal> qa , thank you
[08:25] <QA> mazal: not at all
[08:25] <Kilos> oh my
[08:25] <mazal> ish
[08:26] <inetpro> cocooncrash: what happened to Maaz?
[08:26] <Kilos> there she fixed for dankie now
[08:26] <inetpro> Kilos: no I didn't feel it 
[08:26] <Kilos> no time to get her up to date with maaz
[08:27] <Kilos> mazal, where was the epicentre
[08:27] <inetpro> Kilos: but I noticed people all around us feeling/experiencing the shakes
[08:27] <Kilos> aha
[08:27] <Kilos> mainly to the east looks like
[08:28] <inetpro> from Jhb, Midrand, Pretoria, kwaNdebele, Shoshanguve and all the way to Warmbad
[08:28] <mazal> Kilos the info says 3048km south of pta
[08:28] <inetpro> and then I even noticed people talking about Hartebeespoort Dam and as far as Polokwane
[08:28] <Kilos> wow
[08:29] <Kilos> sjoe i musta been asleep
[08:29] <inetpro> but there was definitely nothing at my house
[08:30] <Kilos> nor here
[08:30] <inetpro> the Magalies mountain is rock solid
[08:31] <charl> good morning
[08:34] <Kilos> yeah
[08:34] <Kilos> hi charl 
[08:35] <charl> hi Kilos 
[08:35] <charl> where's Maaz
[08:35] <Kilos> having a break
[08:35] <charl> he's our coffee maid, who said he can take a break
[08:35] <Kilos> or the server be broke
[08:35] <Kilos> hehe
[08:36] <charl> it's a pity maaz isn't from a japanese maid cafe, otherise he would have made us omuraisu too
[08:40] <Kilos> do you eat wasabi
[08:42] <Kilos> serious burn but lekker flavour
[08:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> fun fact, unless you eat it in japan and pay a pretty penny, chances are that you aren't actually eating real wasabi but a horseradish/mustard/food colouring mixture
[08:45] <Kilos> yeah sad hey
[08:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> wasabi plants are quite rare and generally only cultivated in japan
[08:47] <Kilos> yeah and not an easy thing to grow. temp of 8 to 20 degrees c and humid
[08:54] <Kilos> weather buiding from the south again
[08:54] <Kilos> building
[08:54] <Kilos> ai! from the north
[09:20] <Kilos> hi psyatw 
[09:20] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[10:45] <mazal> Oom Kilos , I'm going to install mate on my 12.04 and try it out
[10:46] <Kilos> it was faster
[10:47] <mazal> Will do at home where I have uncapped. Will probably be quite a download
[10:49] <mazal> Gaan aanhou soek tot ek happy is met my DE
[10:49] <mazal> Dalk sommer kubuntu-desktop ook try , dan hoef ek mos nie oor te install nie
[10:49] <Kilos> ja dis reg
[10:50] <Kilos> mate is naby aan die ou ubuntu
[10:50] <Kilos> 10.10 style
[10:52] <mazal> Ag daar werk die eerste install command vir mate al klaar nie **sigh**
[10:52] <Kilos> ai!
[10:52] <Kilos> wat doen jy verkeerd
[10:53] <mazal> Niks , copy en paste die command
[10:53] <mazal> Unable to find package errors
[10:53] <psyatw> hi mazal
[10:53] <psyatw> why are you using such old distributions?
[10:54] <psyatw> newer ones don´t function anymore?
[10:54] <psyatw> or have become too bloated?
[10:54] <mazal> The new ones are too full of bugs and apps don't work with them psyatw 
[10:54] <Kilos> http://mate-desktop.org/install/
[10:54] <psyatw> mazal, what kind of bugs?
[10:54] <Kilos> you using that
[10:54] <mazal> Many
[10:55] <psyatw> I know
[10:55] <psyatw> but that was the reason why I never considered ubuntu before 10.04
[10:55] <psyatw> it was always too buggy
[10:55] <mazal> Can't even remember them all , 13.04 drove me back to 12.04 with many issues. And the only 9 months support thing forcing re-installs every 6 months is also a total killer
[10:55] <Kilos> 12.04 is good man
[10:56] <mazal> Well it's stablish
[10:56] <mazal> Not totally stable though
[10:56] <psyatw>  and only now with kubuntu 13.04 do I find it usable
[10:56] <mazal> But at least the apps works
[10:56] <Kilos> mine is totally stable in unity and kde
[10:57] <Kilos> 13.10 kubuntu is lekker as well
[10:57] <Kilos> you got something sick there mazal remember
[10:58] <mazal> Yeah , thing is though , it got that way by itself. Hence I say it's not stable
[10:59] <Kilos> haha
[11:00] <Kilos> now you want to put mate onto that faulty system
[11:00] <Kilos> do a clean install first man
[11:01] <Kilos> no good installing another de onto a faulty system
[11:02] <mazal> That link you gave me at least hasn't bombed out on a command yet
[11:02] <Kilos> yay
[11:03] <mazal> Think that site I was had something wrong in their commands
[11:04] <mazal> Oi you see , my curiosity got me doing it here now where I don't have uncapped :P
[11:07] <Kilos> ai!
[11:07] <Kilos> you want to borrow my email addy?
[11:08] <Kilos> maybe goosie is finished with it now
[11:10] <mazal> Ah well , guess now is a good time as I made an image 3 hours ago
[11:10] <mazal> If I break it , better now that later
[11:12] <mazal> I should have tried it on Barry's pc , he is on leave lol
[11:13] <Kilos> lol
[11:14] <mazal> It's installing a lot of stuff from the ubuntu repos ?
[11:14] <Kilos> yes
[11:14] <mazal> Thoght everything would come from the mate ppa
[11:14] <Kilos> you end up with many mate packages and whatever dependancies they need as well
[11:17]  * mazal whistles a tune
[11:17] <mazal> These times when I miss my 4mb line
[11:18] <mazal> BTW oom , you don't know if those new guys of remastersys has made progress yet ?
[11:20] <mazal> Ok , here we go , rebooting to mate. Will be back.......hopefully
[11:26] <mazal> Cool , this is so retro :)
[11:27] <mazal> Had a quick look around , can't find Ubuntu one ?
[11:42] <Kilos> lol
[11:46] <mazal> Man this reminds me of the good old gnome2 days :)
[11:46] <Kilos> haha
[11:47] <mazal> Just needs to get used to using menus again and placing shortcuts
[12:37] <mazal> Bye everyone , enjoy your evening
[12:38] <Kilos> wbb
[13:43] <charl> ok back
[13:43] <charl> sorry got really busy today
[13:46] <Kilos> np
[14:04] <charl> Kilos: i *love* wasabi or anything else that is spicy
[14:04] <charl> Kilos: indian food, hot curry, karreraisu (as the japanese call it), cayenne peppers, chilli peppers, etc
[14:04] <charl> hot mustard is also good
[14:09] <Kilos> i found a jap site that exports real wasabe
[14:09] <Kilos> dunno the price though
[14:10] <Kilos> i was looking for seeds or plants. i think a bathroom should maybe give the right humidity and temp
[15:14] <Kilos> how do i convert 0.198367346939 ft to metric
[15:21] <Kilos> 6.0462cm
[15:21] <Kilos> brat did it
[17:07] <Kilos> Maaz, wb
[17:07] <Maaz> Thank you so much Kilos my good good friend
[17:07] <Kilos> ty cocooncrash 
[17:08] <Kilos> Maaz, forecast pretoria
[17:08] <Maaz> Kilos: Monday: Mostly Cloudy. High: 27° C., Monday Night: Mostly Cloudy. Low: 17° C., Tuesday: Thunderstorm. High: 28° C., Tuesday Night: Chance of a Thunderstorm. Low: 17° C., Wednesday: Partly Cloudy. High: 29° C., Wednesday Night: Partly Cloudy. Low: 16° C., Thursday: Chance of a Thunderstorm. High: 27° C., Thursday Night: Chance of a Thunderstorm. Low:
[17:08] <Maaz> 15° C., Friday: Chance of a Thunderstorm. High: 26° C., Friday Night: Chance of a Thunde…
[17:15] <charl> Maaz: you late, where's my coffee been today
[17:15] <Maaz> charl: *blink*
[17:16] <charl> he makes me coffee every day and now he's decided to go awol
[17:18] <Kilos> hehe
[17:23] <charl> hi nlsthzn 
[17:25] <nlsthzn> alo charl and all
[17:37] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn 
[17:37] <nlsthzn> alo uncle Kilos
[17:37] <nlsthzn> My daughter is flying on the 14th so your hardware will be in SA in little more than a week ;)
[17:37] <Kilos> oooowweeeee
[17:38] <nlsthzn> I just need to get some packaging material ASAP :p
[17:39] <Kilos> where is she going nlsthzn ?
[17:39] <Kilos> city wise i mean
[17:39] <nlsthzn> Boksburg for the most part AFAIK
[17:39] <Kilos> ah
[17:40] <nlsthzn> but we will still talk about how to get it to you...
[17:46] <Kilos> cool.
[17:47]  * nlsthzn goes to earn some money
[18:18] <charl> hi psychicist 
[18:57] <Kilos> night all of ya. sleep tight